[04:45] <Moon_Doggy> ubottu xfce panels
[04:46] <Moon_Doggy> anyone hear
[04:46] <Moon_Doggy> here
[05:01] <balvonas> and what's up with them?
[05:03] <Moon_Doggy> they were missing
[05:04] <Moon_Doggy> but i got them back
[05:04] <Moon_Doggy> but the real question is why
[05:04] <balvonas> maybe you started/used some plugin that caused panel crash
[05:05] <kainektisis841> hey i'm an ubuntu user and i'm operating on about an 8 year old machine i think it is not even 1 ghz processor, would i gain anything by switching to xubuntu
[05:05] <balvonas> panel can't dissapear itself
[05:06] <kainektisis841> anybody there
[05:07] <Moon_Doggy> well i do the same thing with this machine every day
[05:08] <balvonas> kainektisis841: well, you will use xfce instead of Gnome
[05:08] <Moon_Doggy> turn on, login, start x-chat and chrome , and when i'm done shut down
[05:08] <kainektisis841> what is the difference they look the same
[05:08] <kainektisis841> can't you use the same programs too
[05:08] <balvonas> xfce is less fat
[05:09] <balvonas> kainektisis841: yes, of course
[05:09] <balvonas> you can use same programs
[05:09] <kainektisis841> so theoretically opening and using the internet should work faster on a slower cpu
[05:10] <balvonas> xfce is faster then Gnome theoretically
[05:10] <balvonas> ;]
[05:11] <kainektisis841> can you run windows programs using linux
[05:11] <balvonas> kind of
[05:11] <kainektisis841> what do you mean
[05:11] <balvonas> not everything
[05:11] <balvonas> you can emulate windows
[05:11] <Moon_Doggy> wine
[05:11] <balvonas> yes
[05:12] <kainektisis841> is it programs that are more graphically advanced like games that are harder to run
[05:12] <balvonas> yes
[05:12] <kainektisis841> i have a lexicon for greek words and it isn't that graphically demanding
[05:12] <balvonas> it should work i guess
[05:13] <kainektisis841> does it run itunes
[05:14] <balvonas> no it does not
[05:14] <balvonas> oh
[05:15] <kainektisis84> sorry guys i got booted from the internet
[05:15] <kainektisis84> does wine run itunes
[05:15] <balvonas> no clue
[05:16] <balvonas> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[05:16] <balvonas> here's the list of software wine is compatible with
[05:18] <kainektisis84> thanks
[05:18] <balvonas> correction
[05:18] <balvonas> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse%20Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
[05:23] <kainektisis84> why are .mp3 files supposedly protected
[05:23] <kainektisis84> when i added the support for it it said that it was illegal in some countries
[08:00] <ziroday> Hi, trying to access http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/karmic/release/alternate/xubuntu-9.10-alternate-i386.iso I get a forbidden error, where am I supposed to get the alternate i386 .torrent files?
[08:01] <ziroday> and so are the desktop images :(
[08:01] <psycho_oreos> I'm presuming it doesn't end in .iso, I'm thinking its .torrent or .iso.torrent
[08:05] <ziroday> psycho_oreos: yes?
[08:05] <ziroday> psycho_oreos: oh I follow now :)
[08:05] <psycho_oreos> ziroday, have you tried instead searching for torrents via google?
[08:05] <ziroday> psycho_oreos: yes the .iso.torrent files work, however the .iso files don't. I'll file a bug about it now
[08:06] <psycho_oreos> ziroday, you mean the iso files downloaded via torrent doesn't work or you mean the link doesn't work? lol
[08:07] <ziroday> psycho_oreos: I mean there shouldn't be a link to the .iso file on t.u.c :)
[08:07] <psycho_oreos> ahh
[09:31] <Goliath> where is the smbpasswd saved at?
[10:26] <Tesssa> upgraded 9.4 to 9.10 in 9.4 you could attribute sounds for start up,shutdown and such but not with 9.10 the sound filles seem to have gone any reason why please
[10:26] <Tesssa> i use xubuntu
[10:28] <Ov3rf10w> lol sound for startup and shutdown xDDD
[10:29] <Tesssa> what is xDDD
[10:29] <Ov3rf10w> :D
[10:30] <Tesssa> not very helpful
[10:31] <Ov3rf10w> try this http://titotheman.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/changing-startup-sound-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic/
[10:31] <Tesssa> thank you
[10:33] <Ov3rf10w> or this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1317785
[10:33] <Ov3rf10w> :)
[10:36] <|AbsyntH|> i need to lockdown the autoupdate of grub2 in ubuntu 9.10 ,i need that ubuntu write grub only in the partition and not in the mbr.
[10:36] <|AbsyntH|> This is my disks layout:
[10:36] <|AbsyntH|> ide0 opensolaris with his grub on the ide mbr (and i start ubuntu with  chainloader +1)
[10:36] <|AbsyntH|> sata0 xubuntu
[10:36] <|AbsyntH|> every time i ugrade ubuntu,it writes its grub2 on mbr of ide0 and i can't boot opensolaris
[10:37] <|AbsyntH|> any hints?
[10:41] <Ov3rf10w> Tesssa, ?
[10:45] <Tesssa> no good
[10:45] <Ov3rf10w> shit
[10:46] <|AbsyntH|> no solutions?
[10:46] <Ov3rf10w> Tesssa, Alert Volume in the Sound Preferences was turned down
[10:46] <Ov3rf10w> maybe
[10:46] <Ov3rf10w> :)
[10:46] <Tesssa> go into settings bring up settings editor and nothing
[10:47] <Tesssa> the volume is ok
[10:47] <Tesssa> something has been altered in the upgrade
[10:48] <Tesssa>  it worked perfect in 8.10 and 9.4
[10:48] <|AbsyntH|> Tesssa, your kernel modules are up?
[10:48] <Tesssa> whatever has changed has changed in the upgrade
[10:49] <Tesssa> the sound card works ok
[10:49] <remyo> What make Xubuntu so snappy? And what is it missing from the usual Ubuntu release?
[10:49] <Ov3rf10w> karmic is the bad version of xubuntu
[10:49] <Tesssa> it does the same in ubuntu 9.10
[10:49] <ablomen> |AbsyntH|, i googled a bit about the grub part, it seems this is not a bug but a feature (tm), the only option i see that may stop it from happening is holding the kernel packages
[10:50] <|AbsyntH|> you can try to look for bugs in the kernel release Tesssa
[10:50] <remyo> I'm trying Xubuntu right now for the first time. And it seems too good to be true
[10:50] <ablomen> so they don't upgrade, not sure though if that is the only package that updates grub
[10:50] <remyo> I'm wondering what the catch it
[10:50] <remyo> is*
[10:50] <ablomen> (oh and hold the grub2 package naturally)
[10:50] <Tesssa> havent a clue how to i am not a linux user
[10:50] <ablomen> not sure if it will help though
[10:50] <|AbsyntH|> ablomen, yes i've seen that...but if i found the script that upgrade automaticallt grub i can change it probably
[10:51] <Tesssa> but i do like xubuntu
[10:52] <Tesssa> if it was working in 9.4 why alter it
[10:52] <ablomen> /usr/sbin/update-grub might be it, it gets executed, dunno if grub-mkconfig installs it to the mbr though
[10:52] <Tesssa> the point is is it going to be like that in 10.4
[10:52] <|AbsyntH|> ablomen, tnx i'll take a look
[11:07] <slow-motion> hi
[11:08] <Ov3rf10w> slow-motion, hi
[11:08] <slow-motion> hi Ov3rf10w
[15:05] <vik> hello, my desktop is gone!!! I cannot do anything on it, no idea what happened, no right-click, no icons nothing, please help
[15:07] <vik> ok, i've fixed it with 'xfdesktop &', sorry.
[15:27] <aberhow> what does xubuntu use for the screen saver by default?
[15:27] <aberhow> xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver?
[15:27] <Ov3rf10w> gnome-screensaver
[15:28] <aberhow> ok thanks Ov3rf10w
[16:33] <hal> hello xubuntu world.
[16:33] <hal> sweet OS
[16:33] <djura-san> yeah :)
[16:34] <hal> my laptop loves it. and i have my kids on it too
[16:35] <djura-san> my pc love it too
[16:35] <djura-san> also my family
[16:35] <djura-san> (but i dislike artwork)
[16:36] <hal> yes, but thats a small price.
[16:36] <djura-san> of cours
[16:36] <djura-san> e
[16:36] <djura-san> :)
[16:37] <hal> i cant say i have had any issues with it. i come here now and then but i dont see any complaints..at least i havent :)
[16:38] <djura-san> well the base is good
[16:38] <djura-san> and xfce is stable in 95% of time so its good :)
[16:38] <hal> yes, i tried ubuntu but its a little too heavy for my comp.
[16:41] <oorah> how come thunderbird won't open links for chrome? it only does for firefox, which i removed
[16:42] <djura-san> tere is settings for that
[16:42] <djura-san> (i think)
[16:42] <djura-san> did you changed terminal for exo?
[16:42] <oorah> djura-san, i didn't see any i looked
[16:42] <djura-san> settings -> default apps?
[16:43] <oorah> djura-san, chrome is my default browser, but that didn't work for links in thunderbird
[16:43] <djura-san> hmm
[16:43] <djura-san> strange
[16:43] <djura-san> (let my try)
[16:45] <djura-san> yucj
[16:45] <djura-san> this tb is so ugly app
[16:45] <oorah> huh?
[16:46] <djura-san> slow and gui is yuck
[16:46] <djura-san> :|
[16:46] <hal> why use chrome?
[16:48] <oorah> chrome is the fastest browser
[16:48] <Sysi> midori is as fast
[16:48] <hal> what is the speed of your cpu?
[16:48] <Sysi> or arora
[16:49] <djura-san> firefox is resurce hog at the moment. midori is fast, and chrome is fast too.
[16:49] <djura-san> (midori uses webkit as well as chrome)
[16:53] <djura-san> sorry
[16:53] <djura-san> tbird does not work at my pc (dont wanna use my acc at gmail)
[16:53] <djura-san> :|
[16:53] <hal> yes i agree about firefox
[16:53] <Sysi> adblock still keeps me on it
[16:53] <hal> but i use it anyway
[16:53] <djura-san> Sysi, there is way to use adblock rules in midori too
[16:54] <Sysi> proxy?
[16:54] <djura-san> nope
[16:54] <djura-san> adblock-filters.txt > midori ;)
[16:55] <djura-san> (never tried it but i will soon since i hate ads)
[16:56] <Sysi> i didn't manage to get midori on centos :/
[16:56] <Sysi> haven't tried much though
[17:06] <Pres-Gas> Hello, folks!
[17:06] <hal> hello Gas
[17:06] <djura-san> ola gas
[17:07] <Pres-Gas> Busy today?
[17:07] <hal> slow as molasses in winter
[17:08] <Pres-Gas> Mayhap that means all problems are resolved then.
[17:09] <hal> thats what i was thinking too
[17:09] <hal> i like that. xubuntu works!
[17:10] <djura-san> or none of use use xubuntu at all :>
[17:10] <Balsaq> i di and i never even seen it hiccup
[17:11] <hal> haha
[17:11] <hal> i use it mostly on my laptop
[17:15] <Pres-Gas> hmmmm... #ubuntu is too busy though.
[17:15] <djura-san> as usual
[17:15] <djura-san> ;)
[17:35] <hal> i noticed
[17:36] <oorah> any desktop email clients that will open browsers other than firefox? for some reason thunderbird opens firefox only
[17:38] <hal> i never read what system "oorah" had
[17:41] <[mccracken]> Patience in an IRC chan... FTW...
[19:36] <slow-motion> hi
[19:44] <Pres-Gas> Hey, slow-motion
[19:44] <slow-motion> hi
[20:15] <linux_stu> i'm trying to figure out why the top and bottom panel on my xubuntu computer aren't appearing when i boot and login
[20:16] <linux_stu> and alt + f2 doesn't do anything
[20:17] <Balsaq> this prolly sounds dumb but can you adjust the monitor itself (buttons on the monitor front center) ?
[20:18] <linux_stu> Balsaq, i did try doing that, and it wasn't off the top and bottom of the screen
[20:18] <Balsaq> ok
[20:19] <Balsaq> and i suppose a reboot didn't do it either
[20:19] <linux_stu> this is on my grandparents' computer, and i'm trying to help them over the phone :(
[20:19] <linux_stu> Balsaq, nope
[20:19] <linux_stu> every time they reboot, an abiword window pops up.  i guess xubuntu remembers your previous session?
[20:20] <linux_stu> or maybe they changed startup applications...
[20:20] <Balsaq> yes becasue mine doesn't do that
[20:20] <linux_stu> yeah
[20:20] <TheSheep> clean your session
[20:21] <TheSheep> delete the fiels in .cache/sessions
[20:21] <linux_stu> ok TheSheep
[20:21] <TheSheep> files
[20:21] <linux_stu> this should be interesting... getting my grandparents to do this over the phone :/
[20:22] <Balsaq> TheSheep: when i finish using my xubuntu computer, i sometimes utilize bleachbit. does that do the same thing you are mentioning now?
[20:23] <TheSheep> no idea
[20:23] <Balsaq> when it runs it appears to be doing a ccleaner type of thing..deletes cache and all...its a buntu package
[20:52] <c00larr0w> i have a usb drive that is possibly infected with a virus.  Is there a good virus scanner that i can run on my xubuntu box to scan the usb drive?
[20:54] <TheSheep> no, but you can just delete the autorun file and the hidden directory in which the virus installed intself
[20:55] <TheSheep> itself
[20:55] <TheSheep> (actually there is clamav, but it's mostly for mail, I think)
[20:56] <c00larr0w> im not sure if it infected and so i dont know what virus it may be or where it might be
[20:56] <c00larr0w> ya i was thinking the same about clamav
[20:56] <Sysi> if there isn't any important data you can format it
[20:56] <TheSheep> the autorun.inf file
[20:56] <c00larr0w> there is
[20:57] <TheSheep> that file contains the path to the actual virus, just look inside
[20:57] <TheSheep> then delete it and the virus
[20:58] <c00larr0w> i dont see an autorun.inf file on the usb drive
[21:02] <c00larr0w> i did an ls and grep it for autorun.inf and it didnt find anything
[21:05] <c00larr0w> TheSheep, should i do it differently?
[21:07] <Pres-Gas> TheSheep, you can have clamav scan files.  I do not remember offhand what the syntax would be...but there is a gui
[21:10] <Pres-Gas> Ahhh...here we are.  for the GUI:  http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/clamtk
[21:11] <c00larr0w> Pres-Gas, thanks i will look into that.  i just want to scan this usb drive before i get plugged into a windows box and infects that box.
[21:15] <Pres-Gas> c00larr0w, here is the home page for the front end with more details on it: http://clamtk.sourceforge.net/
[21:15] <TheSheep> hal: why are you messaging people?
[21:15] <c00larr0w> Pres-Gas, ok thanks
[21:16] <hal> for information. isnt that what this room is about?
[21:18] <TheSheep> hal: it's a channel, not room, and it's for support, and we do it publicly, so that everyone can learn and correct mistaks
[21:18] <TheSheep> mistakes
[21:19] <hal> i'm glad
[21:19] <Pres-Gas> LOL, TheSheep....well timed
[21:19] <Pres-Gas> There is a bot, hal that loggs all of this chatter and posts it.  However, private messages do not get logged.
[21:20] <hal> then i will not use it anymore. i was not aware.
[21:20] <Pres-Gas> No problem, hal.  All good.
[21:20] <TheSheep> it's not even about logs, it's about trust -- when you do it publicly, you can't really cheat people into doing nasty stuff or revealing passwords
[21:21] <hal> thanks for the correction
[21:22] <TheSheep> hal: sorry for complaining, but I think it's important :)
[21:24] <Pres-Gas> People can be nasty at times.  Fortunately the crappy people are mostly filtered out here in freenode because they mostly hang out on the other HUGE chat servers.
[21:24] <hal> no need to apologize. i too am here to learn. I was curious since i saw something posted about "clanav" wanted to know if there was a new virus out. but i understand it was being used to scan on a windows box.
[21:24] <Pres-Gas> ...but not all of them are filtered out...
[21:25] <Pres-Gas> I tend to use the windows version of clamav on my vm's.  I don't tend to autorun installers I download from the interwebs.
[22:40] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Hey guys, I know I asked this before..... but I forgot the answer. What is the IRC client that Xubuntu 9.10 comes with by default?
[22:41] <lvzimmer> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, xchat
[22:42] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> It comes with xchat by default? Huh, I could have sworn I had to install that myself. Is that the gui based version?
[22:44] <lvzimmer> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, i think so
[22:44] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> See, I am helping someone fix his computer through irc, and itll involve him reooting to linux with a livecd to perform some of the operations, hes not good with computers so I would need to use only gui programs for him
[22:46] <lvzimmer> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, you could use pidgin too.
[22:46] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> Ah, that was the one somebody reommended before, thanks
[22:47] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I know this is kinda  asilly question to ask but, there should be NO chance ofa  window virus managing to infect a linux livecd iso right? I know, though it is incredibly miniscule, that it might be possible for a virus to infect a windows based iso
[22:50] <lvzimmer> Cyber_Akuma-Lapt, i never hear something about it
[23:23] <Syndri> hi
[23:23] <Syndri> can someone help me with installation problems
[23:23] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I can try, what kind of problems
[23:24] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> keep in mind im new to linux
[23:25] <TheSheep> !ask | Syndri
[23:26] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> At least he didn't ask "can I ask you a question?" XD
[23:26] <Cyber_Akuma-Lapt> I hate the oxymoronicss of that XD and yes, I know I spelled that wrong