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nixternaloh, I am so damn mean!05:53
nixternalI ssh'd into my brothers computer to update it for him, and while it was updating, I whipped up a quick script, stuck it in his $HOME/.kde/Autostart, and rebooted05:54
nixternalhttp://www.nixternal.com/files/bsod.png  <- that is what he got when he logged in05:54
nixternalhe called me about 10 minutes ago yelling, "I THOUGHT KOOONUTBOOOTOOO DIDN"T GET VIRUSES!!!!"05:55
nixternaljust goes to show you, even windows lusers don't even read bsod's05:55
macohaha05:56
macoyou're mean05:56
nixternalhttp://www.nixternal.com/files/bsod.txt  <- if anyone feels like playing a joke :)05:57
jussi01nixternal: you are nasty!07:06
Tm_Tnixternal: that asscreensaver?08:31
Tm_Ts/ass/as\ s/08:32
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genii For useful debug output of Akonadi crash, need akonadi-dbg ? Opening KDE Services gives me 2-3 loops of it crashing with messages about DBus and nepomuk. I can't see anything like nepomuk-dbg or so though. ( 10.04 64bit,  4.4b2 )15:17
jjesseok here's an interesting one, runing kde 4.4 beta 2 and when i go to add a printer i get an error message about an orphaned kcm module for system-config-printer15:57
Riddellkdebindings needs sorted I expect15:58
RiddellI'll do it next week15:58
jjesseok15:58
jjessein the meantime no printing?15:59
Riddellit should autoconfigure for most people16:01
yuriyRiddell: my membership is about to expire, what to do?16:04
Riddellyuriy: renew it?16:04
yuriy... nevermind .. should have actually read the thing. usually they say contact admin etc16:05
* yuriy is way too on vacation16:05
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_Groo_Riddell: kdebindings 4.3.85 doesnt compile in lucid unfortunatelly, we need to use svn or a patched one16:29
_Groo_Riddell: i tried to sort the damn thing yesterday, gonna try again this week, if im sucessfull im gonna put it in my ppa16:30
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_Groo_are the neon packages for kde night build working again by any chance?16:32
Riddellgood luck _Groo_16:33
Riddell_Groo_: I don't think quintasian has done neon yet16:33
_Groo_Riddell: thanks :D16:34
_Groo_Riddell: im compiling kdebindings svn on my machine, lets see if it goes now :)16:54
stalcup1Sorry for being an ass17:06
stalcup1You all has every right to cick me out17:07
stalcup1What I did was not acceptable, and I hope you can forgive me17:08
stalcup1(this is vorian)17:09
stalcup1I love you guys, and if I were gay I'd be on a plane to Austria17:10
stalcup1Love lots, bot17:11
* Riddell hugs stalcup1 17:11
stalcup1Russell, I was comming back you know17:15
stalcup1Riddell, rather17:15
stalcup1We've had the awefullest time moving, finding a house17:15
stalcup1It's not easy w 5 kid17:15
stalcup1So, we are finnly settled and I get kicked ;(17:16
nixternalTm_T: thati s a python script, not a screensaver :)17:24
_Groo_soprano isnt compiling with kdebindings svn and beta 2.. i disabled it for now, lets see if the package compiles cleanly now17:30
Tm_Tnixternal: won't stop using it as one though, if really wants, I guess17:31
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amichairwhat's the story with the guy being bashed in public in the mailing list? what did he do? as a bystander and newbie in this community, it's pretty off-putting... not sure that's the word for it. maybe disturbing. although there are no facts anywhere - but then why take it public like this?18:18
ScottKamichair: I don't have all the facts.  This is very unusual.18:19
ScottKSo I would encourage you not to be too offput by it as this sort of thing is very much the exception.18:19
amichairhope I don't accidentally do anything wrong here :-)18:19
ScottKI wouldn't worry about it too much.18:20
amichairScottK: I'm not really worried :-)18:20
ScottKOK. Good.18:20
amichairit's just... strange.18:20
ScottKAgreed.18:20
EagleScreenI obtain this warning at pushing in bazaar: http://pastebin.com/d5055968d what happens? is it safe continue?18:27
Riddellamichair: he wasn't bashed in public, he was written a private e-mail from someone saying he was upset with him and he chose to forward it to the mailing list18:28
amichairoh.18:30
nixternalhola hola hola18:30
nixternalda plain da plain da plain!18:30
Riddellsi18:31
nixternalamichair: I agree with you 110%, and it is somewhat bashing a friend of mine :(18:31
nixternalactually, there really isn't any bashing, I take that back18:32
nixternaljust some overheated people :)18:32
nixternaland rightfully so, but it shouldn't have ever gone public in the first place18:32
jjesseare you all talking about the silly stuff that vorian posted?18:36
Riddellyes18:37
amichairthere's a proverb in these parts, badly translated as "if you put someone to shame in public, it's as if you spilled his blood". It's pretty effective when you're a kid ;-)18:39
nixternaland it is still the same when you aren't a kid18:40
nixternaloh, who am I fooling, I am still a kid :p18:40
amichairdoes that work in other languages as well?18:41
nixternalyes18:41
amichaircool :-)18:41
nixternalI have always been a believer of it, you never shame anyone in public...if you have a problem with that person, make it private18:41
amichairthen there's one for the advanced proverb ninja, similarly badly translated as "righteous is he who is insulted and does not insult back, hears his shame spoken, and does not respond". the original sounds less preachy, more elegant...18:47
ScottKIt's understandable.18:48
amichairwise words, but sometimes hard to do...18:48
Riddellnobody insulted him, he insulted other people and various people got upset and told him so18:50
amichairin that case, it goes both ways!18:50
amichairanyway, I've had enough proverbs, buddhism and neuroscience for one day :-)18:51
* amichair goes back into lurk mode18:51
nixternalhahah18:54
amichairoh what the heck, I found a proper translation (this time read it with Yoda's voice!):19:06
amichair“Those who are humiliated yet do not humiliate in turn, who hear their insult and do not retort, who perform out of love and are happy in affliction."19:06
jjessewow that's deep19:06
amichair(note that's three steps in order of difficulty. Hard it is happy in affliction to be!)19:06
geniiBest from Konsole to use kdesudo when starting something like gparted, or use gksu/gksudo instead?19:30
genii(or does it matter? )19:31
pinheiroRiddell: so you gusy dont like quadros :D19:32
pinheiroguys19:32
pinheiroits works better than it looks19:33
pinheiroand its extremly bradable19:33
pinheirobrandable19:33
pinheiroand im aware its a risk19:33
pinheirobut....19:33
pinheiroits the most artsy wallpaer we haver had, and think its time to try to push the estectical bowndries od our user base19:35
pinheirood= of19:35
ScottKaway19:38
ScottKoops19:38
ScottKpinheiro: Our problem is we have approximately zero artists to brand it.  Can we get help with that?19:38
pinheiroScottK: obviusly19:39
pinheirothat what im here for most of the time19:39
Tm_Tgenii: shouldn't matter19:40
geniiTm_T: Thanks19:40
* ScottK stares really hard at shtylman and hopes he volunteers to work with pinheiro on this since he did such a great job on the installer stuff.19:40
pinheirooo yeah19:40
pinheirohe did19:40
ScottKThe reward for good work being, of course, more work.19:41
pinheirothe revamp of that should be super easy as soon as i do the new efect for air plasma theme19:41
pinheiroScottK:  :D19:41
pinheiroi get way to may rewords19:41
pinheiromany19:42
pinheiroScottK:  been reding some reviews and a comon complaint about kubuntu is the lack of cutomization19:43
pinheirothre area a couple of things that area realy easy to chage to give a more branding atitude to kubuntu19:43
ScottKpinheiro: That's true.  OTOH, part of why I like Kubuntu is that I'm running pretty much KDE.19:43
ScottKSo it's a balance.19:43
pinheiroi agrea19:43
ScottKAgreed we should probably do a bit more.19:43
pinheirowould just be enough to shut thos guys up19:44
ScottKYeah.19:44
pinheirothat waht i like any way19:44
pinheiroI hate mandriva themeing and craping everything19:44
ScottKPersonally I've got negative time for this, but hope someone (shtylman <--) volunteers to work on it.19:44
pinheirodead line?19:45
* pinheiro will have more free time in a couple of days finaly :D19:45
ScottKFeb sometime.19:45
pinheirocool19:45
pinheiro4.4?19:46
ScottKUploaded before Feb 18.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule19:47
ScottKYes, 4.4.whatever is ready19:47
pinheirothat will be extremly fresh 4.419:47
pinheirocool19:47
ScottKWe will continue to update with the point releases as they come out up to release time.19:48
pinheiroany way  im sure we can make somthing "kubuntu" style19:48
pinheirowuth a very strong kde feeling to it19:49
pinheirowith19:49
ScottKRiddell: ^^^ Thoughts?19:49
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Riddellpinheiro: the issue with Quadros is that it's way too distracting20:49
Riddellthe folder plasmoid becomes hard to use20:49
Riddellthe pattern is full of borders which distracts from the borders of everything else20:54
shtylmanpinheiro ScottK: yea... I can deff work with people on it for the Kubuntu branding side of things. Im sure Riddell will have input on the matter as well :)21:17
shtylmanfor the most part I am quite happy with upstream kde ... but I have started applying my own little tweaks to things21:19
shtylmanfor my own tastes21:19
pinheiroRiddell: naaaaa :)22:16
pinheiroand the borders of the folfer plasmoid dont actualy provide any usefull content22:17
pinheiroi meen you dont interabt with them22:17
pinheirointeract22:17
shtylmanpinheiro: what if the plasma containers (like for folder view) were a little less transparent?22:18
pinheiroits not like you can scale the actual borders22:18
pinheiropeople seam to like it trasparent22:18
shtylmanI don't want to say blurred (cause we know how notmart feels about that :)22:18
pinheiroand realy what do you lose ?22:18
shtylmanif its blurred or if its less transparent?22:18
pinheiroits a contaiment for icons22:19
shtylmanyea22:19
pinheirothe thing you inteact with is the icons22:19
pinheirointeract22:19
pinheironot the contenment22:19
shtylmanand I think the biggest problem people have with it (from what I have heard) is that the containment doesn't do enough to isolate the icons22:19
shtylmanI personally like the square wallpaper and don't think it classes too much with things... but that could be a taste thing22:20
shtylmanI like "modern" styles22:20
shtylmanwhich tend to be boxy22:20
shtylmanand have straight lines22:20
shtylmanother might not like that22:20
shtylmanmaybe just have the wallaper not as pervasive through the containment?22:21
pinheirothe wallpaper is espected to be contrevensic22:22
pinheiroits not what people espect22:22
shtylman:)22:22
pinheiroI did this on propose22:22
pinheiroi culd do a couple of blue swirls22:23
pinheiroits waht espected of us22:23
shtylmanheh22:23
pinheirothis is difrent in blue22:23
pinheiro:)22:23
shtylmandon't get me wrong... im probly your biggest supporter for this wallpaper :)22:23
ScottKUnfortunately for Kubuntu, this release is a long term support release (3 years), so not the best time for excitement.22:23
pinheirohad i gone crazy and i would not use blue :D22:23
shtylmanI just want to meet a middle ground for users that are complaining about how crowded it is22:23
pinheiroshtylman: sure22:24
pinheiroi did its under the kde POV22:24
pinheiro3 years is way to much for that one22:24
pinheirothe kde POV is 1 yaer witha restyle in 6 months22:25
pinheiroyear22:25
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shtylmanwhat about fading the wallpaper back a bit?22:25
shtylmanmaybe so it is less harsh on the eyes? cause it is alot of blue :)22:25
pinheirobecomes boring22:25
shtylmanhmm22:25
RiddellI think it's the borders to the boxes that would be faded22:26
pinheirobut desturating the colors sure22:26
shtylmanyea..maybe desaturate22:26
pinheiromight be a good idea22:26
shtylmancauses with a large monitor (I have 2 of them) ... it looks a bit overwhelming22:26
pinheirowow22:26
shtylmanlike... it jumps at you a bit much22:26
pinheirosize?22:27
shtylman1680x1400 on both of them22:27
shtylmanI think they are 21" or 20.1"22:27
shtylmansomething like that22:27
pinheiro1600x1400 you meen22:28
shtylmanop... 1680x105022:28
shtylmanmy bad22:28
shtylmanforgot my own resolution22:28
pinheirohaaaa22:28
pinheirothen you are using the 1920x1200 right?22:28
shtylmanyea22:28
pinheirothe squares should be a bit to small then :(22:29
pinheiroit becomes clutered22:29
pinheirothis wallpeper is realy special22:29
pinheirothe squares must have a certain size22:29
shtylmanyea... I think I would like it more if it didn't jump out at me22:29
shtylmanas much22:29
pinheiroor it becomes clutered22:29
pinheiroyeah but in your case its should be realy all over the place22:30
shtylmancause I like to think of the wallpaper as more docile... then again... before this wallpaper I used solid black22:30
pinheirolike squares invasion22:30
shtylmanso maybe I am not be best judge in how docile a wallpaper should be :)22:30
pinheiroshtylman:  i know exactly what you meen22:31
Quintasanhmm, guys, anyone is using byobu from PPA?22:32
ScottKnixternal is the byobu fan.22:32
shtylmanpinheiro: http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/1920x1200.jpg22:33
Quintasanwell I wanted to have few ssh sessions but I somewhat can't type the password in, I wonder what's wrong22:33
shtylmanI just played with the curves a bit there22:33
shtylmanbut thats sorta along the idea maybe?22:33
shtylmana bit more "washed out"22:33
Quintasanuhh, this wallpaper @_@22:33
shtylmanits not as bright as the one you made... but maybe it works better for various screen brightnesses and contrasts?22:34
shtylmanit could also be room lighting... etc... lots of stuff could come into play here22:34
pinheiroshtylman: i can send you the source22:35
pinheiroand you can play with it22:35
JontheEchidnaI found Quadros to be less overwhelming on my LCD screen than on my CRT monitor for some reason. Maybe it's becaused things look slightly washed out on the LCD22:35
pinheiroits just 3 gradients22:35
JontheEchidnawell, the LCD isn't horrible contrast-wise, but the ol' beast monitors are better in general, unless you have a really good LCD22:36
shtylmanpinheiro: indeed... it might even be possible to post process the images by modifying the curves/colors after the fact22:36
shtylmanJontheEchidna: did you find it too light on any of the monitors?22:36
JontheEchidnaI think it might be slightly too light on my laptop22:36
shtylmancause I find it too light on my laptop22:36
shtylmanbut then again...could be a taste thing22:36
JontheEchidnamaybe22:37
pinheirodefnetly taste and acustumed22:37
pinheiroits difrent22:37
JontheEchidnaanyway, going off to eat dinner, just thought I'd pop in my opinion and run ;D22:37
shtylmanthat it is22:37
shtylman:)22:37
shtylmanI am gonna leave it on my desktop for a bit.. (my modified color one) and see how that goes22:37
pinheiroshtylman: probaly you need to desaturate it22:39
pinheirobut the original not post guimp work22:40
pinheirogimp22:40
shtylmank22:40
shtylmanI also tried burring it ... that was a no no22:41
pinheironononon22:41
pinheiro:)22:41
pinheiroyou can do that as a mask22:41
shtylmanyea22:41
pinheiro30% alpha22:41
pinheiromakes ita  bit dreamy22:41
shtylmanhehe22:42
pinheirobut you play it globaly it just becomes messy22:42
pinheiroaply22:42
shtylmanyea22:42
shtylmanit becomes too much globally22:42
pinheiroas i said its interesting22:42
shtylmanRiddell: how many wallpaper choices do we ship by default?22:47
shtylmando we ship only the main one or a few others from previous cycles?22:47
maconot many?22:47
Riddellshtylman: 122:47
shtylmanhehe22:47
Riddellno space for any more22:47
macoooh i was gonna guess right22:47
shtylmanahh22:47
shtylmanour poor cd22:48
shtylmanout of space22:48
RiddellI think kdebase should do the same, any other wallpapers should be in kdeartwork22:48
Riddellpinheiro: have you had feedback from KDE folks on this wallpaper?  because the comments I've seen are much the same as from Kubuntu folks, that it's too harsh on the eyes22:49
pinheirono none at all22:49
pinheiroand i noteced your by loking up on google for thwallpaers in websvn22:50
pinheirothat laed me to a log of a irc talk here22:50
pinheiroany way i have alot of rust in it heven if its very difrent for the usual thing22:51
pinheirotrust22:51
pinheirobut for distros i will probably dessturate it22:51
pinheirodessaturate22:51
shtylman:)22:51
pinheiromore than anything else the wallpaer is about marketing22:52
pinheiroand it has huge marketing value this one22:52
pinheirovery easy to recognise across a room22:53
shtylmanyea...but the problem is ... you don't want to kill the person in front of the monitor so that someone on the other side of the room can regocnize the wallpaper :)22:53
pinheirodont i?22:53
shtylmanhahaha22:53
pinheiroits a risk we are taking22:55
shtylmanright22:55
shtylmanill reserve final judgement for the dessaturated one :)22:55
pinheiroi will reavaliate it in 4.522:56
pinheirohopefuly it will go the distance22:56
pinheirobut i will cry no tear if it dosent22:56
shtylmanheh22:56
pinheiroi ealy want to try to push our typical bondries22:57
pinheiroso we can get difernt users22:57
ScottKThe trick being to get the new ones, but not lose the old ones.22:57
pinheirowont lose couse of an wallpaper22:58
shtylmanyea...I don't think we will loose people cause of a wallpaper22:58
shtylmanit may just upset some people..but those will change it22:58
shtylmanbut you do want to make the users happy :)22:58
pinheirothe ones we have thar realy hate it can change it22:58
Riddellshtylman: users can't easily change the about konqueror page22:59
pinheirohaaa do what ever and you will leave users un hapy22:59
pinheiroits a fact wen you have millions of users22:59
pinheironothing makes every one happy22:59
shtylmanRiddell: what does that look like?22:59
shtylmandoes that use the default wallpaper?23:00
pinheiroRiddell: that as been chaged i think23:00
pinheirochaged23:00
pinheiroand was kinda davide bettio doing his thing23:00
pinheiroi haked him to replace it with just a gradient23:01
Riddellshtylman: http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/konq.png23:01
Riddellpinheiro: oh, ok23:01
pinheiroits not completly orrible23:02
pinheirohorrobel23:02
pinheirohorribel23:02
pinheiroor how that is speled23:02
shtylmanheh23:03
Riddellit's far too distracting, the background should be in the background but there it grabs your attention and doesn't let you go23:03
* claydoh_ *loves* that wallpaper btw, and using a transparent plasma theme makes it even cooler :)23:03
shtylmanhaha23:04
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shtylmanI like that plasma container in the konqueror screenshot23:04
shtylmanI think I like that over the current folder containment23:04
shtylmancause its a bit darker23:04
pinheiroshtylman:  actualy that one is prety porly made23:04
pinheirome wanted mofux to do it but ...23:05
shtylmanit might be poorly made... but I think it makes the containment stand out a bit better23:05
shtylmanwhich may or may not be the goal23:05
pinheiromofux had way better concepts for it ..... more like your kubunto instaler23:05
pinheiro kubuntu instaler23:06
shtylmanahh23:07
shtylmanI will have to ask him about that23:07
pinheiroyeah maybe you gusy could do it ;)23:07
pinheiroguys23:07
pinheironot all that happy with the current form23:07
shtylmanof the containment?23:08
pinheiroof the intire page23:08
pinheirobut the continement as one huge flaw .... shadow under it23:10
pinheiromaking its bg look more dark and not more white23:10
shtylmanI see23:10
pinheirowich doesnt make sence23:10
shtylmanshould the containments make it look more white?23:10
pinheiroyeap23:11
shtylmanhow come?23:11
pinheiroits faded glass23:11
shtylmanahh23:11
pinheiroto project a shadow under it it would need to be opaque23:11
pinheiroon the sides it does projct a shadow couse the sides reflect all light23:12
pinheirobut not in the midle23:12
shtylmanI see23:12
shtylmanmakes sense23:12
pinheirohe should have cliped the shadow23:12
pinheirothere are also a couple f other errors there23:13
pinheiroon the sie you can see a 1 pixel error23:13
pinheiroin teh sahdow part23:13
pinheirothe23:14
pinheirothe actula shadow is cliped23:14
shtylmando you know if the kdm theme is staying the same for 4.4? I imagine it would...23:15
pinheiroshtylman: i wish some one woud take care of that23:31
shtylmanwhat do you hope someone does to it?23:31
pinheirokdm23:31
shtylmanyea... what specifically?23:33
shtylmando you have something in mind?23:33
shtylmanor just an overhaul?23:33
crimsunthere are not enough hours in one day :(23:37
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