[05:53] <nixternal> oh, I am so damn mean!
[05:54] <nixternal> I ssh'd into my brothers computer to update it for him, and while it was updating, I whipped up a quick script, stuck it in his $HOME/.kde/Autostart, and rebooted
[05:54] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/files/bsod.png  <- that is what he got when he logged in
[05:55] <nixternal> he called me about 10 minutes ago yelling, "I THOUGHT KOOONUTBOOOTOOO DIDN"T GET VIRUSES!!!!"
[05:55] <nixternal> just goes to show you, even windows lusers don't even read bsod's
[05:56] <maco> haha
[05:56] <maco> you're mean
[05:57] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/files/bsod.txt  <- if anyone feels like playing a joke :)
[07:06] <jussi01> nixternal: you are nasty!
[08:31] <Tm_T> nixternal: that asscreensaver?
[08:32] <Tm_T> s/ass/as\ s/
[15:17] <genii>  For useful debug output of Akonadi crash, need akonadi-dbg ? Opening KDE Services gives me 2-3 loops of it crashing with messages about DBus and nepomuk. I can't see anything like nepomuk-dbg or so though. ( 10.04 64bit,  4.4b2 )
[15:57] <jjesse> ok here's an interesting one, runing kde 4.4 beta 2 and when i go to add a printer i get an error message about an orphaned kcm module for system-config-printer
[15:58] <Riddell> kdebindings needs sorted I expect
[15:58] <Riddell> I'll do it next week
[15:58] <jjesse> ok
[15:59] <jjesse> in the meantime no printing?
[16:01] <Riddell> it should autoconfigure for most people
[16:04] <yuriy> Riddell: my membership is about to expire, what to do?
[16:04] <Riddell> yuriy: renew it?
[16:05] <yuriy> ... nevermind .. should have actually read the thing. usually they say contact admin etc
[16:05]  * yuriy is way too on vacation
[16:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: kdebindings 4.3.85 doesnt compile in lucid unfortunatelly, we need to use svn or a patched one
[16:30] <_Groo_> Riddell: i tried to sort the damn thing yesterday, gonna try again this week, if im sucessfull im gonna put it in my ppa
[16:32] <_Groo_> are the neon packages for kde night build working again by any chance?
[16:33] <Riddell> good luck _Groo_
[16:33] <Riddell> _Groo_: I don't think quintasian has done neon yet
[16:34] <_Groo_> Riddell: thanks :D
[16:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: im compiling kdebindings svn on my machine, lets see if it goes now :)
[17:06] <stalcup1> Sorry for being an ass
[17:07] <stalcup1> You all has every right to cick me out
[17:08] <stalcup1> What I did was not acceptable, and I hope you can forgive me
[17:09] <stalcup1> (this is vorian)
[17:10] <stalcup1> I love you guys, and if I were gay I'd be on a plane to Austria
[17:11] <stalcup1> Love lots, bot
[17:11]  * Riddell hugs stalcup1 
[17:15] <stalcup1> Russell, I was comming back you know
[17:15] <stalcup1> Riddell, rather
[17:15] <stalcup1> We've had the awefullest time moving, finding a house
[17:15] <stalcup1> It's not easy w 5 kid
[17:16] <stalcup1> So, we are finnly settled and I get kicked ;(
[17:24] <nixternal> Tm_T: thati s a python script, not a screensaver :)
[17:30] <_Groo_> soprano isnt compiling with kdebindings svn and beta 2.. i disabled it for now, lets see if the package compiles cleanly now
[17:31] <Tm_T> nixternal: won't stop using it as one though, if really wants, I guess
[18:18] <amichair> what's the story with the guy being bashed in public in the mailing list? what did he do? as a bystander and newbie in this community, it's pretty off-putting... not sure that's the word for it. maybe disturbing. although there are no facts anywhere - but then why take it public like this?
[18:19] <ScottK> amichair: I don't have all the facts.  This is very unusual.
[18:19] <ScottK> So I would encourage you not to be too offput by it as this sort of thing is very much the exception.
[18:19] <amichair> hope I don't accidentally do anything wrong here :-)
[18:20] <ScottK> I wouldn't worry about it too much.
[18:20] <amichair> ScottK: I'm not really worried :-)
[18:20] <ScottK> OK. Good.
[18:20] <amichair> it's just... strange.
[18:20] <ScottK> Agreed.
[18:27] <EagleScreen> I obtain this warning at pushing in bazaar: http://pastebin.com/d5055968d what happens? is it safe continue?
[18:28] <Riddell> amichair: he wasn't bashed in public, he was written a private e-mail from someone saying he was upset with him and he chose to forward it to the mailing list
[18:30] <amichair> oh.
[18:30] <nixternal> hola hola hola
[18:30] <nixternal> da plain da plain da plain!
[18:31] <Riddell> si
[18:31] <nixternal> amichair: I agree with you 110%, and it is somewhat bashing a friend of mine :(
[18:32] <nixternal> actually, there really isn't any bashing, I take that back
[18:32] <nixternal> just some overheated people :)
[18:32] <nixternal> and rightfully so, but it shouldn't have ever gone public in the first place
[18:36] <jjesse> are you all talking about the silly stuff that vorian posted?
[18:37] <Riddell> yes
[18:39] <amichair> there's a proverb in these parts, badly translated as "if you put someone to shame in public, it's as if you spilled his blood". It's pretty effective when you're a kid ;-)
[18:40] <nixternal> and it is still the same when you aren't a kid
[18:40] <nixternal> oh, who am I fooling, I am still a kid :p
[18:41] <amichair> does that work in other languages as well?
[18:41] <nixternal> yes
[18:41] <amichair> cool :-)
[18:41] <nixternal> I have always been a believer of it, you never shame anyone in public...if you have a problem with that person, make it private
[18:47] <amichair> then there's one for the advanced proverb ninja, similarly badly translated as "righteous is he who is insulted and does not insult back, hears his shame spoken, and does not respond". the original sounds less preachy, more elegant...
[18:48] <ScottK> It's understandable.
[18:48] <amichair> wise words, but sometimes hard to do...
[18:50] <Riddell> nobody insulted him, he insulted other people and various people got upset and told him so
[18:50] <amichair> in that case, it goes both ways!
[18:51] <amichair> anyway, I've had enough proverbs, buddhism and neuroscience for one day :-)
[18:51]  * amichair goes back into lurk mode
[18:54] <nixternal> hahah
[19:06] <amichair> oh what the heck, I found a proper translation (this time read it with Yoda's voice!):
[19:06] <amichair> “Those who are humiliated yet do not humiliate in turn, who hear their insult and do not retort, who perform out of love and are happy in affliction."
[19:06] <jjesse> wow that's deep
[19:06] <amichair> (note that's three steps in order of difficulty. Hard it is happy in affliction to be!)
[19:30] <genii> Best from Konsole to use kdesudo when starting something like gparted, or use gksu/gksudo instead?
[19:31] <genii> (or does it matter? )
[19:32] <pinheiro> Riddell: so you gusy dont like quadros :D
[19:32] <pinheiro> guys
[19:33] <pinheiro> its works better than it looks
[19:33] <pinheiro> and its extremly bradable
[19:33] <pinheiro> brandable
[19:33] <pinheiro> and im aware its a risk
[19:33] <pinheiro> but....
[19:35] <pinheiro> its the most artsy wallpaer we haver had, and think its time to try to push the estectical bowndries od our user base
[19:35] <pinheiro> od= of
[19:38] <ScottK> away
[19:38] <ScottK> oops
[19:38] <ScottK> pinheiro: Our problem is we have approximately zero artists to brand it.  Can we get help with that?
[19:39] <pinheiro> ScottK: obviusly
[19:39] <pinheiro> that what im here for most of the time
[19:40] <Tm_T> genii: shouldn't matter
[19:40] <genii> Tm_T: Thanks
[19:40]  * ScottK stares really hard at shtylman and hopes he volunteers to work with pinheiro on this since he did such a great job on the installer stuff.
[19:40] <pinheiro> oo yeah
[19:40] <pinheiro> he did
[19:41] <ScottK> The reward for good work being, of course, more work.
[19:41] <pinheiro> the revamp of that should be super easy as soon as i do the new efect for air plasma theme
[19:41] <pinheiro> ScottK:  :D
[19:41] <pinheiro> i get way to may rewords
[19:42] <pinheiro> many
[19:43] <pinheiro> ScottK:  been reding some reviews and a comon complaint about kubuntu is the lack of cutomization
[19:43] <pinheiro> thre area a couple of things that area realy easy to chage to give a more branding atitude to kubuntu
[19:43] <ScottK> pinheiro: That's true.  OTOH, part of why I like Kubuntu is that I'm running pretty much KDE.
[19:43] <ScottK> So it's a balance.
[19:43] <pinheiro> i agrea
[19:43] <ScottK> Agreed we should probably do a bit more.
[19:44] <pinheiro> would just be enough to shut thos guys up
[19:44] <ScottK> Yeah.
[19:44] <pinheiro> that waht i like any way
[19:44] <pinheiro> I hate mandriva themeing and craping everything
[19:44] <ScottK> Personally I've got negative time for this, but hope someone (shtylman <--) volunteers to work on it.
[19:45] <pinheiro> dead line?
[19:45]  * pinheiro will have more free time in a couple of days finaly :D
[19:45] <ScottK> Feb sometime.
[19:45] <pinheiro> cool
[19:46] <pinheiro> 4.4?
[19:47] <ScottK> Uploaded before Feb 18.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[19:47] <ScottK> Yes, 4.4.whatever is ready
[19:47] <pinheiro> that will be extremly fresh 4.4
[19:47] <pinheiro> cool
[19:48] <ScottK> We will continue to update with the point releases as they come out up to release time.
[19:48] <pinheiro> any way  im sure we can make somthing "kubuntu" style
[19:49] <pinheiro> wuth a very strong kde feeling to it
[19:49] <pinheiro> with
[19:49] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ Thoughts?
[20:49] <Riddell> pinheiro: the issue with Quadros is that it's way too distracting
[20:49] <Riddell> the folder plasmoid becomes hard to use
[20:54] <Riddell> the pattern is full of borders which distracts from the borders of everything else
[21:17] <shtylman> pinheiro ScottK: yea... I can deff work with people on it for the Kubuntu branding side of things. Im sure Riddell will have input on the matter as well :)
[21:19] <shtylman> for the most part I am quite happy with upstream kde ... but I have started applying my own little tweaks to things
[21:19] <shtylman> for my own tastes
[22:16] <pinheiro> Riddell: naaaaa :)
[22:17] <pinheiro> and the borders of the folfer plasmoid dont actualy provide any usefull content
[22:17] <pinheiro> i meen you dont interabt with them
[22:17] <pinheiro> interact
[22:18] <shtylman> pinheiro: what if the plasma containers (like for folder view) were a little less transparent?
[22:18] <pinheiro> its not like you can scale the actual borders
[22:18] <pinheiro> people seam to like it trasparent
[22:18] <shtylman> I don't want to say blurred (cause we know how notmart feels about that :)
[22:18] <pinheiro> and realy what do you lose ?
[22:18] <shtylman> if its blurred or if its less transparent?
[22:19] <pinheiro> its a contaiment for icons
[22:19] <shtylman> yea
[22:19] <pinheiro> the thing you inteact with is the icons
[22:19] <pinheiro> interact
[22:19] <pinheiro> not the contenment
[22:19] <shtylman> and I think the biggest problem people have with it (from what I have heard) is that the containment doesn't do enough to isolate the icons
[22:20] <shtylman> I personally like the square wallpaper and don't think it classes too much with things... but that could be a taste thing
[22:20] <shtylman> I like "modern" styles
[22:20] <shtylman> which tend to be boxy
[22:20] <shtylman> and have straight lines
[22:20] <shtylman> other might not like that
[22:21] <shtylman> maybe just have the wallaper not as pervasive through the containment?
[22:22] <pinheiro> the wallpaper is espected to be contrevensic
[22:22] <pinheiro> its not what people espect
[22:22] <shtylman> :)
[22:22] <pinheiro> I did this on propose
[22:23] <pinheiro> i culd do a couple of blue swirls
[22:23] <pinheiro> its waht espected of us
[22:23] <shtylman> heh
[22:23] <pinheiro> this is difrent in blue
[22:23] <pinheiro> :)
[22:23] <shtylman> don't get me wrong... im probly your biggest supporter for this wallpaper :)
[22:23] <ScottK> Unfortunately for Kubuntu, this release is a long term support release (3 years), so not the best time for excitement.
[22:23] <pinheiro> had i gone crazy and i would not use blue :D
[22:23] <shtylman> I just want to meet a middle ground for users that are complaining about how crowded it is
[22:24] <pinheiro> shtylman: sure
[22:24] <pinheiro> i did its under the kde POV
[22:24] <pinheiro> 3 years is way to much for that one
[22:25] <pinheiro> the kde POV is 1 yaer witha restyle in 6 months
[22:25] <pinheiro> year
[22:25] <shtylman> what about fading the wallpaper back a bit?
[22:25] <shtylman> maybe so it is less harsh on the eyes? cause it is alot of blue :)
[22:25] <pinheiro> becomes boring
[22:25] <shtylman> hmm
[22:26] <Riddell> I think it's the borders to the boxes that would be faded
[22:26] <pinheiro> but desturating the colors sure
[22:26] <shtylman> yea..maybe desaturate
[22:26] <pinheiro> might be a good idea
[22:26] <shtylman> causes with a large monitor (I have 2 of them) ... it looks a bit overwhelming
[22:26] <pinheiro> wow
[22:26] <shtylman> like... it jumps at you a bit much
[22:27] <pinheiro> size?
[22:27] <shtylman> 1680x1400 on both of them
[22:27] <shtylman> I think they are 21" or 20.1"
[22:27] <shtylman> something like that
[22:28] <pinheiro> 1600x1400 you meen
[22:28] <shtylman> op... 1680x1050
[22:28] <shtylman> my bad
[22:28] <shtylman> forgot my own resolution
[22:28] <pinheiro> haaaa
[22:28] <pinheiro> then you are using the 1920x1200 right?
[22:28] <shtylman> yea
[22:29] <pinheiro> the squares should be a bit to small then :(
[22:29] <pinheiro> it becomes clutered
[22:29] <pinheiro> this wallpeper is realy special
[22:29] <pinheiro> the squares must have a certain size
[22:29] <shtylman> yea... I think I would like it more if it didn't jump out at me
[22:29] <shtylman> as much
[22:29] <pinheiro> or it becomes clutered
[22:30] <pinheiro> yeah but in your case its should be realy all over the place
[22:30] <shtylman> cause I like to think of the wallpaper as more docile... then again... before this wallpaper I used solid black
[22:30] <pinheiro> like squares invasion
[22:30] <shtylman> so maybe I am not be best judge in how docile a wallpaper should be :)
[22:31] <pinheiro> shtylman:  i know exactly what you meen
[22:32] <Quintasan> hmm, guys, anyone is using byobu from PPA?
[22:32] <ScottK> nixternal is the byobu fan.
[22:33] <shtylman> pinheiro: http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/1920x1200.jpg
[22:33] <Quintasan> well I wanted to have few ssh sessions but I somewhat can't type the password in, I wonder what's wrong
[22:33] <shtylman> I just played with the curves a bit there
[22:33] <shtylman> but thats sorta along the idea maybe?
[22:33] <shtylman> a bit more "washed out"
[22:33] <Quintasan> uhh, this wallpaper @_@
[22:34] <shtylman> its not as bright as the one you made... but maybe it works better for various screen brightnesses and contrasts?
[22:34] <shtylman> it could also be room lighting... etc... lots of stuff could come into play here
[22:35] <pinheiro> shtylman: i can send you the source
[22:35] <pinheiro> and you can play with it
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> I found Quadros to be less overwhelming on my LCD screen than on my CRT monitor for some reason. Maybe it's becaused things look slightly washed out on the LCD
[22:35] <pinheiro> its just 3 gradients
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> well, the LCD isn't horrible contrast-wise, but the ol' beast monitors are better in general, unless you have a really good LCD
[22:36] <shtylman> pinheiro: indeed... it might even be possible to post process the images by modifying the curves/colors after the fact
[22:36] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: did you find it too light on any of the monitors?
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> I think it might be slightly too light on my laptop
[22:36] <shtylman> cause I find it too light on my laptop
[22:36] <shtylman> but then again...could be a taste thing
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[22:37] <pinheiro> defnetly taste and acustumed
[22:37] <pinheiro> its difrent
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> anyway, going off to eat dinner, just thought I'd pop in my opinion and run ;D
[22:37] <shtylman> that it is
[22:37] <shtylman> :)
[22:37] <shtylman> I am gonna leave it on my desktop for a bit.. (my modified color one) and see how that goes
[22:39] <pinheiro> shtylman: probaly you need to desaturate it
[22:40] <pinheiro> but the original not post guimp work
[22:40] <pinheiro> gimp
[22:40] <shtylman> k
[22:41] <shtylman> I also tried burring it ... that was a no no
[22:41] <pinheiro> nononon
[22:41] <pinheiro> :)
[22:41] <pinheiro> you can do that as a mask
[22:41] <shtylman> yea
[22:41] <pinheiro> 30% alpha
[22:41] <pinheiro> makes ita  bit dreamy
[22:42] <shtylman> hehe
[22:42] <pinheiro> but you play it globaly it just becomes messy
[22:42] <pinheiro> aply
[22:42] <shtylman> yea
[22:42] <shtylman> it becomes too much globally
[22:42] <pinheiro> as i said its interesting
[22:47] <shtylman> Riddell: how many wallpaper choices do we ship by default?
[22:47] <shtylman> do we ship only the main one or a few others from previous cycles?
[22:47] <maco> not many?
[22:47] <Riddell> shtylman: 1
[22:47] <shtylman> hehe
[22:47] <Riddell> no space for any more
[22:47] <maco> ooh i was gonna guess right
[22:47] <shtylman> ahh
[22:48] <shtylman> our poor cd
[22:48] <shtylman> out of space
[22:48] <Riddell> I think kdebase should do the same, any other wallpapers should be in kdeartwork
[22:49] <Riddell> pinheiro: have you had feedback from KDE folks on this wallpaper?  because the comments I've seen are much the same as from Kubuntu folks, that it's too harsh on the eyes
[22:49] <pinheiro> no none at all
[22:50] <pinheiro> and i noteced your by loking up on google for thwallpaers in websvn
[22:50] <pinheiro> that laed me to a log of a irc talk here
[22:51] <pinheiro> any way i have alot of rust in it heven if its very difrent for the usual thing
[22:51] <pinheiro> trust
[22:51] <pinheiro> but for distros i will probably dessturate it
[22:51] <pinheiro> dessaturate
[22:51] <shtylman> :)
[22:52] <pinheiro> more than anything else the wallpaer is about marketing
[22:52] <pinheiro> and it has huge marketing value this one
[22:53] <pinheiro> very easy to recognise across a room
[22:53] <shtylman> yea...but the problem is ... you don't want to kill the person in front of the monitor so that someone on the other side of the room can regocnize the wallpaper :)
[22:53] <pinheiro> dont i?
[22:53] <shtylman> hahaha
[22:55] <pinheiro> its a risk we are taking
[22:55] <shtylman> right
[22:55] <shtylman> ill reserve final judgement for the dessaturated one :)
[22:56] <pinheiro> i will reavaliate it in 4.5
[22:56] <pinheiro> hopefuly it will go the distance
[22:56] <pinheiro> but i will cry no tear if it dosent
[22:56] <shtylman> heh
[22:57] <pinheiro> i ealy want to try to push our typical bondries
[22:57] <pinheiro> so we can get difernt users
[22:57] <ScottK> The trick being to get the new ones, but not lose the old ones.
[22:58] <pinheiro> wont lose couse of an wallpaper
[22:58] <shtylman> yea...I don't think we will loose people cause of a wallpaper
[22:58] <shtylman> it may just upset some people..but those will change it
[22:58] <shtylman> but you do want to make the users happy :)
[22:58] <pinheiro> the ones we have thar realy hate it can change it
[22:59] <Riddell> shtylman: users can't easily change the about konqueror page
[22:59] <pinheiro> haaa do what ever and you will leave users un hapy
[22:59] <pinheiro> its a fact wen you have millions of users
[22:59] <pinheiro> nothing makes every one happy
[22:59] <shtylman> Riddell: what does that look like?
[23:00] <shtylman> does that use the default wallpaper?
[23:00] <pinheiro> Riddell: that as been chaged i think
[23:00] <pinheiro> chaged
[23:00] <pinheiro> and was kinda davide bettio doing his thing
[23:01] <pinheiro> i haked him to replace it with just a gradient
[23:01] <Riddell> shtylman: http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/konq.png
[23:01] <Riddell> pinheiro: oh, ok
[23:02] <pinheiro> its not completly orrible
[23:02] <pinheiro> horrobel
[23:02] <pinheiro> horribel
[23:02] <pinheiro> or how that is speled
[23:03] <shtylman> heh
[23:03] <Riddell> it's far too distracting, the background should be in the background but there it grabs your attention and doesn't let you go
[23:03]  * claydoh_ *loves* that wallpaper btw, and using a transparent plasma theme makes it even cooler :)
[23:04] <shtylman> haha
[23:04] <shtylman> I like that plasma container in the konqueror screenshot
[23:04] <shtylman> I think I like that over the current folder containment
[23:04] <shtylman> cause its a bit darker
[23:04] <pinheiro> shtylman:  actualy that one is prety porly made
[23:05] <pinheiro> me wanted mofux to do it but ...
[23:05] <shtylman> it might be poorly made... but I think it makes the containment stand out a bit better
[23:05] <shtylman> which may or may not be the goal
[23:05] <pinheiro> mofux had way better concepts for it ..... more like your kubunto instaler
[23:06] <pinheiro>  kubuntu instaler
[23:07] <shtylman> ahh
[23:07] <shtylman> I will have to ask him about that
[23:07] <pinheiro> yeah maybe you gusy could do it ;)
[23:07] <pinheiro> guys
[23:07] <pinheiro> not all that happy with the current form
[23:08] <shtylman> of the containment?
[23:08] <pinheiro> of the intire page
[23:10] <pinheiro> but the continement as one huge flaw .... shadow under it
[23:10] <pinheiro> making its bg look more dark and not more white
[23:10] <shtylman> I see
[23:10] <pinheiro> wich doesnt make sence
[23:10] <shtylman> should the containments make it look more white?
[23:11] <pinheiro> yeap
[23:11] <shtylman> how come?
[23:11] <pinheiro> its faded glass
[23:11] <shtylman> ahh
[23:11] <pinheiro> to project a shadow under it it would need to be opaque
[23:12] <pinheiro> on the sides it does projct a shadow couse the sides reflect all light
[23:12] <pinheiro> but not in the midle
[23:12] <shtylman> I see
[23:12] <shtylman> makes sense
[23:12] <pinheiro> he should have cliped the shadow
[23:13] <pinheiro> there are also a couple f other errors there
[23:13] <pinheiro> on the sie you can see a 1 pixel error
[23:13] <pinheiro> in teh sahdow part
[23:14] <pinheiro> the
[23:14] <pinheiro> the actula shadow is cliped
[23:15] <shtylman> do you know if the kdm theme is staying the same for 4.4? I imagine it would...
[23:31] <pinheiro> shtylman: i wish some one woud take care of that
[23:31] <shtylman> what do you hope someone does to it?
[23:31] <pinheiro> kdm
[23:33] <shtylman> yea... what specifically?
[23:33] <shtylman> do you have something in mind?
[23:33] <shtylman> or just an overhaul?
[23:37] <crimsun> there are not enough hours in one day :(
[23:38] <crimsun> -ETIME