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sladen | sinzui: could you advise what summary title should be used for bug #449092 such that it can be progressed? | 00:15 |
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ubottu | Launchpad bug 449092 in launchpad "After project rename, should automatically redirect previous incoming bug URLs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/449092 | 00:15 |
elmo | james_w: hmm, unfortunately, I can't see any obvious problems this time round | 00:15 |
james_w | elmo: seems to have fixed itself in the meantime, thanks for looking | 00:17 |
elmo | I think it may be LP buildbot DOS-ing the ssh service. but I may just want it to be that because of the irony. I'll keep an eye on it for a while anyway | 00:20 |
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sinzui | sladen: it is not a bug, it is a question. I will use the Convert to question link to ask a LOSA to add an alias for the old project name. I image a Question was used the first time to rename the project | 01:09 |
sladen | sinzui: questions have a '?' question mark. Why does this (bug report) not have a question mark? | 01:20 |
sladen | sinzui: how does "ask[ing] a LOSA to add an alias" fix the Launchpad codebase? | 01:21 |
sladen | sinzui: if you let me the know the magic phrase that covers the root cause, I can (re-)file a bug report covering that | 01:23 |
sinzui | sladen: There is nothing wrong in the code, because in many operations we do not want an alias. We only want an alias if the project asks for one | 01:23 |
sladen | sinzui: what phrase succinctly identifies that such an offer should be automatic and by default | 01:25 |
sinzui | sladen: we do not support user renaming projects because it is very danger. The screen that allows an admin to rename a project also has a alias field. The admin uses it when someone asks a question | 01:28 |
sinzui | sladen: So we are discussing a process where two people must engage each other and talk | 01:28 |
sladen | sinzui: is the alias pre-filled with the previous proejct name. If not, how do I phrase that it should be pre-filled by default in order to prevent previously published URLs rotting | 01:31 |
sinzui | It is not, because that is NOT the default behaviour. Most cases to reanme a project is because someone want the name being given up. | 01:32 |
sladen | sinzui: how do I phrase that the default behaviour (link breakage) is non-ideal? | 01:33 |
sinzui | sladen: I do not see how you. can There is no right answer. We favour this approach because of the most common use case. The example we are using in the bug/question is still one of user communication | 01:37 |
sladen | sinzui: so to confirm. During a rename, the requestee is not explicitly asked if a redirect is required. Because few requestees explicitly ask for a redirect, the common-case is not to provide one; and therefore the common-case is set as the default? | 01:40 |
sinzui | sladen: and the admin did not confirm that an alias was not wanted | 01:41 |
* sladen staggers in belief. | 01:42 | |
sladen | diselief | 01:42 |
sinzui | The common case is someone is squating on a name or the name is given to a project group! | 01:42 |
sinzui | Renaming a project for other reason is rare and is the reason launchpad supports aliases. gaim's rename to pidgin was the driving need as I recall | 01:43 |
sinzui | The problem with automatically aliasing is that the squating is still happening, so the admin has more work to fix the issue | 01:44 |
sladen | sinzui: sounds like two separate use-cases. (a) Projects changing name. (b) Tackling squatters/vandalism. ; the difference being whether the $old_name is cause of the admin actions, or whether $new_name is the initiator | 01:48 |
sinzui | It's the same screen | 01:48 |
sinzui | And I do not think malicious is the drive for squating. There is a tremendous amount of ignorance in the pool of launchpad registrants | 01:49 |
sinzui | giving users a test to verify they are qualified to be a project maintain seem to be out the question though :( | 01:50 |
sladen | so the problem is one of overloading. A low-impact action performed frequently is masking a high-impact action performed infrequently (Quantity masking Quality) | 01:50 |
sinzui | Do you want to fix this? I can review a code change. We do not have much code for workflows so we resort to simple screens | 01:51 |
sinzui | This issue is not a priority because we are not inundated with reports of the problem | 01:52 |
sladen | sinzui: so, can be agree upon Confirmed,Wishlist (and a summary of your choosing) over Invalid? | 01:53 |
sinzui | I will move the bug launchpad-registry. it will be Triaged,Low We do not used wishlist because that does not indicate when and how it will be fixed | 01:55 |
sladen | sinzui: Low would be even better | 01:55 |
sinzui | I will report a new bug actually because there is a question tied to the old one | 01:56 |
sinzui | Low is just clear. It will be fix opportunistically when an engineer volunteers to work on it | 01:56 |
highvoltage | hi launchpadders! | 07:53 |
highvoltage | I have a list problem, when I visit https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ngo/+mailinglist-moderate there are 5 messages for moderation | 07:53 |
highvoltage | when I click on Moderate, I get a message that says "Unexpected form data" | 07:54 |
wgrant | highvoltage: Are you using Chromium? | 07:54 |
highvoltage | wgrant: I am indeed, is it a browser issue? | 07:54 |
highvoltage | wgrant: well, it worked fine in firefox. thanks | 07:55 |
wgrant | highvoltage: It's fixed in recent Chromiums, apparently. | 07:58 |
Peng | bazzar.launchpad.net is read-only right now. Trying to take out a right-lock fails, saying it's a read-only transport. | 08:22 |
spiv | Any losa around? There are some reports on #bzr of users getting readonly errors when they try to push to their own branches via bzr+ssh | 08:22 |
Peng | Hehe. | 08:22 |
Peng | Err, write-lock* | 08:22 |
Peng | I just realized I screwed up my test: I tried to lock a mirrored branch. I just tried a normal branch, and it worked. | 08:45 |
Peng | So, it looks like this might be luks-only. | 08:45 |
Peng | Same with the branch the other user was having a problem with. | 08:46 |
Peng | So, no disaster. :D | 08:46 |
spiv | For losas checking backlog: false alarm. phew. thanks. | 08:48 |
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szpuni | hi | 11:55 |
szpuni | did anybody had any problem with karmic hanging when typing in shell?? | 11:56 |
spiv | szpuni: #launchpad isn't really the place to ask that. At a guess #ubuntu is a better venue. | 11:57 |
slytherin | Can anyone who is not on vacation help with porting bugs from sourceforge.net to launchpad.net? | 12:42 |
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slytherin | jamesh: Around? Can you help with bug migration from sourceforge? | 13:12 |
sladen | sinzui: do you have the new bug# for "<sinzui> I will report a new bug actually because there is a question tied to the old one" | 13:46 |
sinzui | sladen: bug 501525 | 14:41 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 501525 in launchpad-registry "Include an option to add an alias when a project is rename" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501525 | 14:41 |
RenatoSilva | someone please expire bug 452034 | 15:26 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 452034 in bzr-java-lib "Cannot use single-char relative checkout path on Windows" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452034 | 15:26 |
RenatoSilva | sorry, not this, but bug 452069 | 15:26 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 452069 in moin-solenoid "Gotobar link using the whole space in IE7" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452069 | 15:26 |
sinzui | RenatoSilva: Auto expiration is not turned on. When bugs reach 60 days on incomplete, I change the bug to invalid myself | 15:27 |
RenatoSilva | is just that what the expiration job does? | 15:28 |
sinzui | Yes | 15:28 |
RenatoSilva | oh | 15:28 |
RenatoSilva | thanks, happy new year | 15:36 |
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ripps | Hello, the developer of a set of programs I supply daily packages for in the gmpc-trunk ppa's wants to know If it's possible to build arm packages in the ppa? | 17:33 |
elmo | ripps: unfortunately it's not, no. (PPAs require virtualization support for security reasons that arm's don't have) | 17:41 |
ripps | elmo: I know that some ppa's have an exemption from that rule | 17:41 |
elmo | ripps: only internal Canonical ones, AFAIK | 17:42 |
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EagleScreen | hello | 18:24 |
EagleScreen | i try to push/upload a project code to bazaar in my Launchpad account | 18:24 |
EagleScreen | i obtain this warning, is it safe to continue? -> http://pastebin.com/d5055968d | 18:25 |
EagleScreen | why this warning? | 18:25 |
sinzui | EagleScreen: Have you ever connected to bazaar.launchpad.net before. That is the message commonly shown when you first try to connect to an unknown host. | 18:34 |
frangor | hi | 18:49 |
EagleScreen | thanks sinzui, it was the first time | 18:52 |
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