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* sladen drums fingers00:11
sladensinzui: could you advise what summary title should be used for bug #449092 such that it can be progressed?00:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 449092 in launchpad "After project rename, should automatically redirect previous incoming bug URLs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44909200:15
elmojames_w: hmm, unfortunately, I can't see any obvious problems this time round00:15
james_welmo: seems to have fixed itself in the meantime, thanks for looking00:17
elmoI think it may be LP buildbot DOS-ing the ssh service.  but I may just want it to be that because of the irony.  I'll keep an eye on it for a while anyway00:20
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sinzuisladen: it is not a bug, it is a question. I will use the Convert to question link to ask a LOSA to add an alias for the old project name. I image a Question was used the first time to rename the project01:09
sladensinzui: questions have a '?' question mark.  Why does this (bug report) not have a question mark?01:20
sladensinzui: how does "ask[ing] a LOSA to add an alias" fix the Launchpad codebase?01:21
sladensinzui: if you let me the know the magic phrase that covers the root cause, I can (re-)file a bug report covering that01:23
sinzuisladen: There is nothing wrong in the code, because in many operations we do not want an alias. We only want an alias if the project asks for one01:23
sladensinzui: what phrase succinctly identifies that such an offer should be automatic and by default01:25
sinzuisladen: we do not support user renaming projects because it is very danger. The screen that allows an admin to rename a project also has a alias field. The admin uses it when someone asks a question01:28
sinzuisladen: So we are discussing a process where two people must engage each other and talk01:28
sladensinzui: is the alias pre-filled with the previous proejct name.  If not, how do I phrase that it should be pre-filled by default in order to prevent previously published URLs rotting01:31
sinzuiIt is not, because that is NOT the default behaviour. Most cases to reanme a project is because someone want the name being given up.01:32
sladensinzui: how do I phrase that the default behaviour (link breakage) is non-ideal?01:33
sinzuisladen: I do not see how you. can There is no right answer. We favour this approach because of the most common use case. The example we are using in the bug/question is still one of user communication01:37
sladensinzui: so to confirm.  During a rename, the requestee is not explicitly asked if a redirect is required.  Because few requestees explicitly ask for a redirect, the common-case is not to provide one; and therefore the common-case is set as the default?01:40
sinzuisladen: and the admin did not confirm that an alias was not wanted01:41
* sladen staggers in belief.01:42
sladendiselief01:42
sinzuiThe common case is someone is squating on a name or the name is given to a project group!01:42
sinzuiRenaming a project for other reason is rare and is the reason launchpad supports aliases. gaim's rename to pidgin was the driving need as I recall01:43
sinzuiThe problem with automatically aliasing is that the squating is still happening, so the admin has more work to fix the issue01:44
sladensinzui: sounds like two separate use-cases.  (a) Projects changing name.  (b) Tackling squatters/vandalism. ; the difference being whether the $old_name is cause of the admin actions, or whether $new_name is the initiator01:48
sinzuiIt's the same screen01:48
sinzuiAnd I do not think malicious is the drive for squating. There is a tremendous amount of ignorance in the pool of launchpad registrants01:49
sinzuigiving users a test to verify they are qualified to be a project maintain seem to be out the question though :(01:50
sladenso the problem is one of overloading.  A low-impact action performed frequently is masking a high-impact action performed infrequently (Quantity masking Quality)01:50
sinzuiDo you want to fix this? I can review a code change. We do not have much code for workflows so we resort to simple screens01:51
sinzuiThis issue is not a priority because we are not inundated with reports of the problem01:52
sladensinzui: so, can be agree upon  Confirmed,Wishlist (and a summary of your choosing) over Invalid?01:53
sinzuiI will move the bug launchpad-registry. it will be Triaged,Low We do not used wishlist because that does not indicate when and how it will be fixed01:55
sladensinzui: Low would be even better01:55
sinzuiI will report a new bug actually because there is a question tied to the old one01:56
sinzuiLow is just clear. It will be fix opportunistically when an engineer volunteers to work on it01:56
highvoltagehi launchpadders!07:53
highvoltageI have a list problem, when I visit https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ngo/+mailinglist-moderate there are 5 messages for moderation07:53
highvoltagewhen I click on Moderate, I get a message that says "Unexpected form data"07:54
wgranthighvoltage: Are you using Chromium?07:54
highvoltagewgrant: I am indeed, is it a browser issue?07:54
highvoltagewgrant: well, it worked fine in firefox. thanks07:55
wgranthighvoltage: It's fixed in recent Chromiums, apparently.07:58
Pengbazzar.launchpad.net is read-only right now. Trying to take out a right-lock fails, saying it's a read-only transport.08:22
spivAny losa around?  There are some reports on #bzr of users getting readonly errors when they try to push to their own branches via bzr+ssh08:22
PengHehe.08:22
PengErr, write-lock*08:22
PengI just realized I screwed up my test: I tried to lock a mirrored branch. I just tried a normal branch, and it worked.08:45
PengSo, it looks like this might be luks-only.08:45
PengSame with the branch the other user was having a problem with.08:46
PengSo, no disaster. :D08:46
spivFor losas checking backlog: false alarm.  phew.  thanks.08:48
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szpunihi11:55
szpunidid anybody had any problem with karmic hanging when typing in shell??11:56
spivszpuni: #launchpad isn't really the place to ask that.  At a guess #ubuntu is a better venue.11:57
slytherinCan anyone who is not on vacation help with porting bugs from sourceforge.net to launchpad.net?12:42
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slytherinjamesh: Around? Can you help with bug migration from sourceforge?13:12
sladensinzui: do you have the new bug# for "<sinzui> I will report a new bug actually because there is a question tied to the old one"13:46
sinzuisladen: bug 50152514:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 501525 in launchpad-registry "Include an option to add an alias when a project is rename" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50152514:41
RenatoSilvasomeone please expire bug 45203415:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 452034 in bzr-java-lib "Cannot use single-char relative checkout path on Windows" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45203415:26
RenatoSilvasorry, not this, but bug 45206915:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 452069 in moin-solenoid "Gotobar link using the whole space in IE7" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45206915:26
sinzuiRenatoSilva: Auto expiration is not turned on. When bugs reach 60 days on incomplete, I change the bug to invalid myself15:27
RenatoSilvais just that what the expiration job does?15:28
sinzuiYes15:28
RenatoSilvaoh15:28
RenatoSilvathanks, happy new year15:36
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rippsHello, the developer of a set of programs I supply daily packages for in the gmpc-trunk ppa's wants to know If it's possible to build arm packages in the ppa?17:33
elmoripps: unfortunately it's not, no.  (PPAs require virtualization support for security reasons that arm's don't have)17:41
rippselmo: I know that some ppa's have an exemption from that rule17:41
elmoripps: only internal Canonical ones, AFAIK17:42
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EagleScreenhello18:24
EagleScreeni try to push/upload a project code to bazaar in my Launchpad account18:24
EagleScreeni obtain this warning, is it safe to continue? -> http://pastebin.com/d5055968d18:25
EagleScreenwhy this warning?18:25
sinzuiEagleScreen: Have you ever connected to bazaar.launchpad.net before. That is the message commonly shown when you first try to connect to an unknown host.18:34
frangorhi18:49
EagleScreenthanks sinzui, it was the first time18:52
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