[00:11] * sladen drums fingers [00:15] sinzui: could you advise what summary title should be used for bug #449092 such that it can be progressed? [00:15] Launchpad bug 449092 in launchpad "After project rename, should automatically redirect previous incoming bug URLs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/449092 [00:15] james_w: hmm, unfortunately, I can't see any obvious problems this time round [00:17] elmo: seems to have fixed itself in the meantime, thanks for looking [00:20] I think it may be LP buildbot DOS-ing the ssh service. but I may just want it to be that because of the irony. I'll keep an eye on it for a while anyway === jon is now known as Guest19199 [01:09] sladen: it is not a bug, it is a question. I will use the Convert to question link to ask a LOSA to add an alias for the old project name. I image a Question was used the first time to rename the project [01:20] sinzui: questions have a '?' question mark. Why does this (bug report) not have a question mark? [01:21] sinzui: how does "ask[ing] a LOSA to add an alias" fix the Launchpad codebase? [01:23] sinzui: if you let me the know the magic phrase that covers the root cause, I can (re-)file a bug report covering that [01:23] sladen: There is nothing wrong in the code, because in many operations we do not want an alias. We only want an alias if the project asks for one [01:25] sinzui: what phrase succinctly identifies that such an offer should be automatic and by default [01:28] sladen: we do not support user renaming projects because it is very danger. The screen that allows an admin to rename a project also has a alias field. The admin uses it when someone asks a question [01:28] sladen: So we are discussing a process where two people must engage each other and talk [01:31] sinzui: is the alias pre-filled with the previous proejct name. If not, how do I phrase that it should be pre-filled by default in order to prevent previously published URLs rotting [01:32] It is not, because that is NOT the default behaviour. Most cases to reanme a project is because someone want the name being given up. [01:33] sinzui: how do I phrase that the default behaviour (link breakage) is non-ideal? [01:37] sladen: I do not see how you. can There is no right answer. We favour this approach because of the most common use case. The example we are using in the bug/question is still one of user communication [01:40] sinzui: so to confirm. During a rename, the requestee is not explicitly asked if a redirect is required. Because few requestees explicitly ask for a redirect, the common-case is not to provide one; and therefore the common-case is set as the default? [01:41] sladen: and the admin did not confirm that an alias was not wanted [01:42] * sladen staggers in belief. [01:42] diselief [01:42] The common case is someone is squating on a name or the name is given to a project group! [01:43] Renaming a project for other reason is rare and is the reason launchpad supports aliases. gaim's rename to pidgin was the driving need as I recall [01:44] The problem with automatically aliasing is that the squating is still happening, so the admin has more work to fix the issue [01:48] sinzui: sounds like two separate use-cases. (a) Projects changing name. (b) Tackling squatters/vandalism. ; the difference being whether the $old_name is cause of the admin actions, or whether $new_name is the initiator [01:48] It's the same screen [01:49] And I do not think malicious is the drive for squating. There is a tremendous amount of ignorance in the pool of launchpad registrants [01:50] giving users a test to verify they are qualified to be a project maintain seem to be out the question though :( [01:50] so the problem is one of overloading. A low-impact action performed frequently is masking a high-impact action performed infrequently (Quantity masking Quality) [01:51] Do you want to fix this? I can review a code change. We do not have much code for workflows so we resort to simple screens [01:52] This issue is not a priority because we are not inundated with reports of the problem [01:53] sinzui: so, can be agree upon Confirmed,Wishlist (and a summary of your choosing) over Invalid? [01:55] I will move the bug launchpad-registry. it will be Triaged,Low We do not used wishlist because that does not indicate when and how it will be fixed [01:55] sinzui: Low would be even better [01:56] I will report a new bug actually because there is a question tied to the old one [01:56] Low is just clear. It will be fix opportunistically when an engineer volunteers to work on it [07:53] hi launchpadders! [07:53] I have a list problem, when I visit https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ngo/+mailinglist-moderate there are 5 messages for moderation [07:54] when I click on Moderate, I get a message that says "Unexpected form data" [07:54] highvoltage: Are you using Chromium? [07:54] wgrant: I am indeed, is it a browser issue? [07:55] wgrant: well, it worked fine in firefox. thanks [07:58] highvoltage: It's fixed in recent Chromiums, apparently. [08:22] bazzar.launchpad.net is read-only right now. Trying to take out a right-lock fails, saying it's a read-only transport. [08:22] Any losa around? There are some reports on #bzr of users getting readonly errors when they try to push to their own branches via bzr+ssh [08:22] Hehe. [08:22] Err, write-lock* [08:45] I just realized I screwed up my test: I tried to lock a mirrored branch. I just tried a normal branch, and it worked. [08:45] So, it looks like this might be luks-only. [08:46] Same with the branch the other user was having a problem with. [08:46] So, no disaster. :D [08:48] For losas checking backlog: false alarm. phew. thanks. === leoquant is now known as heartofdarkness === heartofdarkness is now known as leoquant === menesis1 is now known as menesis [11:55] hi [11:56] did anybody had any problem with karmic hanging when typing in shell?? [11:57] szpuni: #launchpad isn't really the place to ask that. At a guess #ubuntu is a better venue. [12:42] Can anyone who is not on vacation help with porting bugs from sourceforge.net to launchpad.net? === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [13:12] jamesh: Around? Can you help with bug migration from sourceforge? [13:46] sinzui: do you have the new bug# for " I will report a new bug actually because there is a question tied to the old one" [14:41] sladen: bug 501525 [14:41] Launchpad bug 501525 in launchpad-registry "Include an option to add an alias when a project is rename" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501525 [15:26] someone please expire bug 452034 [15:26] Launchpad bug 452034 in bzr-java-lib "Cannot use single-char relative checkout path on Windows" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452034 [15:26] sorry, not this, but bug 452069 [15:26] Launchpad bug 452069 in moin-solenoid "Gotobar link using the whole space in IE7" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452069 [15:27] RenatoSilva: Auto expiration is not turned on. When bugs reach 60 days on incomplete, I change the bug to invalid myself [15:28] is just that what the expiration job does? [15:28] Yes [15:28] oh [15:36] thanks, happy new year === sale_ is now known as sale [17:33] Hello, the developer of a set of programs I supply daily packages for in the gmpc-trunk ppa's wants to know If it's possible to build arm packages in the ppa? [17:41] ripps: unfortunately it's not, no. (PPAs require virtualization support for security reasons that arm's don't have) [17:41] elmo: I know that some ppa's have an exemption from that rule [17:42] ripps: only internal Canonical ones, AFAIK === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:24] hello [18:24] i try to push/upload a project code to bazaar in my Launchpad account [18:25] i obtain this warning, is it safe to continue? -> http://pastebin.com/d5055968d [18:25] why this warning? [18:34] EagleScreen: Have you ever connected to bazaar.launchpad.net before. That is the message commonly shown when you first try to connect to an unknown host. [18:49] hi [18:52] thanks sinzui, it was the first time === alasdair_ is now known as alasdair === abentley1 is now known as abentley