[00:07] <LuisGMarine> is rhythmbox getting replaced by banshee?
[00:10] <RAOF> Not at this point in time.
[00:10] <bjsnider> it seems inevitable in the future though
[00:11] <LuisGMarine> thank god1
[00:11] <LuisGMarine> that's all I neeeded to know
[00:11] <LuisGMarine> lol have a good one
[00:11] <bjsnider> well, nobody's stopping him from using it...
[00:22] <penguin42> out of interest what's the benefit of banshee
[00:23] <bjsnider> i think it works very well. the sqlite db is very fast. novel is paying 2 guys to constantly develop it, so it's not going to get orphaned
[00:23] <bjsnider> novell i mean
[00:24] <bjsnider> actually problems with ext4 make the db slower in karmic than it should be
[00:24] <bjsnider> but that will clear itself up
[00:24] <penguin42> hmm I should try it, I switched from Rhythmbox->Exaile a while ago
[00:24] <bjsnider> being a mono app it can be run on any platform too
[00:26] <penguin42> damn, I'm going to have to learn yet another language to fix bugs
[00:34] <Tscheesy> bjsnider: mono is such a thing..hrmpf
[00:36] <bjsnider> Tscheesy, say what?
[00:37] <Tscheesy> i can not trust in m$
[00:37]  * penguin42 agrees
[00:37] <bjsnider> there's a mono channel on this server. you can talk to them about your concerns
[00:38] <Tscheesy> hehe - it more matters me within ubuntu ;)
[00:38] <bjsnider> yes but there are lots of ubuntu devs in there
[00:41] <penguin42> bjsnider: I'm just not sure I believe we're safe from them applying some patents n-years in the future
[00:42] <Tscheesy> i'm in contact with kubuntu-dev's an there it's no issue.. i just cant understand the ubuntu-dev's.. but yes - not my concern..
[00:42] <Tscheesy> @bjsnider..
[00:42] <DanaG> hmm, I'm still wondering about that supposed phonon pulseaudio-device-manager support stuff.
[00:53] <DanaG> weird... I went to extract a zip file, and it showed me two files:  "archive", owned by "may", and "or", owned by "find"
[00:53] <DanaG> =þ
[01:32] <david> Hey
[01:33] <Guest94494> I found a possible bug in lucid, I want to open a bug report but I do not know what package is responsable for the multimedia buttons on my keyboard
[01:33] <Guest94494> anyone know which package manages this ?
[01:42] <Guest94494> btw, swapping between CTRL+ALT+F1 and CTRL+F7 is so fast.....
[04:18] <MisterN> will lucid contain modemmanager in ubuntu-desktop?
[04:20] <bjsnider> apparently the nvidia 195.30 driver has accelerated xrender to "lightning" speeds
[04:21] <MisterN> bjsnider: that sounds nice.
[04:21] <bjsnider> which should significantly improve kde4 performance
[06:14] <SwedeMike> so... I tried to update again yesterday, still no working xorg with my nvidia card (default install, no restricted drivers). It's been like this since beginning of december. Does other people have it working and I should do something, or is it known to be broken? my xorg.conf is basically empty.
[06:34] <cwillu_at_work> SwedeMike, you've tried the usual noabi stuff?
[06:35] <cwillu_at_work> no idea if that would actually work in this case, but if it doesn't, you're screwed until nvidia releases something for the current xorg snapshot
[06:36] <crimsun> SwedeMike: it's known. Lucid has an xorg-server with a newer, incompatible ABI. You need to use a newer NVidia driver, 190.42 or newer.
[06:36] <cwillu_at_work> (what he said :p)
[06:36] <crimsun> SwedeMike: see the nvidia-vdpau PPA if you're really hard-pressed
[06:37] <SwedeMike> I'm not hard pressed at all, it's my lab machine. But I'm not using any nvidia drivers, I'm using the default one (which I thought was nv or noveau) ?
[06:38] <crimsun> look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for your driver
[06:38] <SwedeMike> it segfaults last I checked.
[06:38] <SwedeMike> I can check again when I get home.
[09:32] <alkisg> Hi, I tried the edubuntu daily build 3 days ago, and the autologin feature of the installer was broken, I had to create a user from the console to continue with the installation. Was anything like that reported for the ubuntu daily builds?
[09:39] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:55] <cwillu_at_work> poek poke
[09:59] <BUGabundo_work> ola carrie
[10:19]  * cwillu_at_work doesn't have carrie on highlight :p
[10:20] <BUGabundo_work> :p
[10:20] <BUGabundo_work> subtle cwillu_at_work
[14:13]  * penguin42 yawns
[14:18] <alkisg> Hi, I tried the edubuntu daily build 3 days ago, and the autologin feature of the installer was broken, I had to create a user from the console to continue with the installation. Was anything like that reported for the ubuntu daily builds?
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> alkisg: u are the 2nd one saying so
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> but i also saw two others saying its ok
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> :S
[14:21] <BUGabundo_work> go figure
[14:21] <alkisg> Heh
[14:21] <alkisg> I also said it some hours back, maybe the other person was me? :D
[14:23] <BUGabundo_work> yesterday
[14:24] <alkisg> Well... I'll download another daily and see it if was fixed...
[14:24] <alkisg> ty
[14:37] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[14:51] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[14:51] <penguin42> hi
[14:52]  * penguin42 wonders whether the code for 4k sectored hard disks will be in lucid - it looks like they might be getting common by release and for an LTS might be critical
[14:55] <BluesKaj> I hi penguin42 , I'm ssh frustrated,on our laptop trying to login to my home pc remotely from my tutorials etc for set. I can ssh into our linux boxes on Lan with no problems.
[14:56] <BluesKaj> oops, iscrambled that , not used to the damn touch pad interfering with my typing
[14:57] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You can get the touch pad to disable itself while you type
[14:58] <BluesKaj> how penguin42
[14:59] <penguin42> there's something called syndaemon - I can see a command for it
[14:59] <BluesKaj> i'm on kde btw..looking input actions but no options there
[14:59] <IdleOne> !Synaptics
[15:00] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Do you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed? It should have a /usr/bin/syndaemon
[15:02] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yup, it's there
[15:03] <BluesKaj> penguin42, thing is i use a mouse with my laptop , don't ki
[15:03] <BluesKaj> like the touchpad
[15:03] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Oh right, so you just want to disable the pad?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> exactly :)
[15:04] <penguin42> oh, I'm not sure how to do that, but it sounds doable
[15:04] <BluesKaj> with option tto re-enable, of course
[15:06] <BluesKaj> ok , i found a tutorial with config file editing to the synclient
[15:09] <BluesKaj> brb
[15:15] <BluesKaj> penguin42, success!
[15:15] <penguin42> cool
[15:18] <duffydack> Any plans on fixing support for HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GA11N cd/dvd writer?  I`m not sure if there is a bug placed already or not.  Its a new laptop and I`m a bit gutted it doesnt work in karmic or lucid..
[15:18] <penguin42> duffydack: What happens to it?
[15:19] <duffydack> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8561569#post8561569
[15:19] <duffydack> tried k3b, brasero, gnomebaker and imgburn in wine.
[15:21] <penguin42> does reading work?
[15:21] <duffydack> yup
[15:21] <penguin42> do you get the same as Entropy512 does with teh 'cannot write medium' error?
[15:22] <duffydack> imgburn and brasero burn, after a long time starting up, but only manage like 0.3x and even then I`m not sure its actually burning anything.
[15:23] <duffydack> I havent tried from shell, but I get write error in k3b.. i`ll try it..  I know the drive/discs work ok in windows.
[15:23] <penguin42> I'd check for stuff in dmesg
[15:27] <duffydack> i`lll try the same command as entropy512
[15:27] <duffydack> do I need sudo for cdrecord?
[15:28] <penguin42> don't think so if you have the perms
[15:31] <duffydack> http://pastebin.com/m5af635a4
[15:31] <duffydack> i`ll try sudo as it suggests...
[15:31] <penguin42> hmm that doesn't look happy
[15:34] <duffydack> nope, same
[15:35] <duffydack> how do I check dma is enabled?
[15:36] <penguin42> is it sata or pata?
[15:38] <duffydack> good question lol
[15:38] <duffydack> its a slot loader in my new dell studio 17 i7
[15:38] <duffydack> the hd is sata
[15:38] <duffydack> i`ll have a look see if I can find out
[15:39] <penguin42> I dobut it's a dmaism - but it's possible, hdparm -d /dev/sr0 I think, but I've never done it on a cd in ages
[15:40] <duffydack> HLDS GA11N 12.7mm SATA Slotload 8X DVDRW
[15:41] <duffydack> hmm "Using generic SCSI-3/mmc DVD-R(W) driver (mmc_mdvd)."  but it was a dvd+r i was using
[15:41] <penguin42> i think that's pretty much all the same but I might be wrong
[15:42] <duffydack> Current: 0x001B (DVD+R)  says that also so should be ok.. either way, ive tried 4 ways now, and all end up the same.
[15:44] <duffydack> odd, dells site offers A101 firmware 23rd Sep 09 (fix support for win7)  but mine came with A102
[15:46] <duffydack> well I guess i`ll have to have a spare fat/ntfs drive for burning in windows for now..
[15:49] <penguin42> duffydack: in the BIOS is there a setting for legacy mode for the sata interface?
[15:54] <duffydack> not sure..  I`ll look
[15:54] <penguin42> oh
[15:54] <penguin42> I was about to say make sure it was off
[15:57] <duffydack> Sata operation : AHCI or ATA , its set to AHCI
[15:57] <duffydack> I guess thats for the HD as well...hmm
[16:02] <penguin42> ahci is what i'd expect
[16:03] <BUGabundo_work> bjsnider: yofel : which one of you confirmed me that n2n didnt work?
[16:03] <BUGabundo_work> i'm sick of waiting, i'm reporting it and sending upstream
[16:03] <BUGabundo_work> can you re-paste the error? thanks
[16:03] <bjsnider> not me
[16:03] <bjsnider> so by process of elimination it must be...
[16:04] <BUGabundo_work> ehe
[16:07] <penguin42> hmm there was a repo somewhere of debug packages - can anyone remember where?
[16:08] <penguin42> ah ddebs
[16:45] <yofel> BUGabundo_work: wasn't at home, if you still need it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/349149/
[16:47] <BUGabundo_work> thanks yofel
[17:24] <dabaR> So how does one upgrade to lucid?
[17:24] <dabaR> I mean, what is the command
[17:24] <dabaR> do you still use the upgrade manager or aptitude, or the gui upgrade manager?
[17:25] <BUGabundo_work> dabaR: update-manager -d
[17:26] <dabaR> thanks.
[17:27] <BluesKaj> you can update to lucid by the command line as well,  sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[17:28] <dabaR> Do you happen to know what the difference is with just aptitude dist-upgrade and the update-manager?
[17:30] <charlie-tca> I think the difference is whether you use the GUI or the command line
[17:30] <alkisg> dist-upgrade == upgrade packages. update-manager == change the sources.list completely...
[17:30] <dabaR> Just sources.list?
[17:31] <alkisg> No, not only that, it does other stuff too, to be able to upgrade to the new version, but I don't know the details.
[17:31] <dabaR> I wonder what it does, cause say warty->hoary I think everybody still did it manually with dist-upgrade
[17:33] <BluesKaj> don't change the soureces.list and then upgrade , it used to work , but not anymore ...you'll end up with a broken OS
[17:35] <BUGabundo_work> dabaR: distupgrade is DEBIAN :D
[17:35] <dabaR> What?
[17:36] <BUGabundo_work> dabaR: not only packages but also policies
[17:36] <dabaR> What do you mean?
[17:36] <BUGabundo_work> BluesKaj: i did sources sed plus dist upgrade to lucid
[17:36] <BUGabundo_work> but it was on day two of it :)
[17:36] <BUGabundo_work> karmic had just came out
[17:38] <dabaR> BUGabundo_work: so update manager takes policies into account and dist-upgrade does not, right?
[17:38] <dabaR> Like, don't use pidgin, use empathy
[17:40] <mostafa_> how can I restore grub 1.97? or acticate it when windows 7 boot loader first is active
[17:41] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_work, I think you got lucky :)
[17:41] <dabaR> !recover
[17:42] <BUGabundo_work> !grub2
[17:42] <dabaR> !recoveringgrub
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I did not think you could do any other upgrade to ubuntu+1 before alpha1
[17:42] <BUGabundo_work> dabaR: yes, but i dont think it will remove an app from a previous version, like pidgin
[17:43] <BUGabundo_work> charlie-tca: how do u think i got into lucid?
[17:43] <BUGabundo_work> AFAIK update-manager upgrade info is only availble around Alpha1
[17:43] <charlie-tca> That's what I mean.
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Before alpha1, you have to change sources.list and upgrade manually
[17:44] <BUGabundo_work> ah
[17:44] <dabaR> charlie-tca: what is manually?
[17:44] <charlie-tca> You manually change sources.list
[17:46] <dabaR> and what command do you run?
[17:46] <dabaR> Hah
[17:46] <dabaR> I guess you were not around when I asked...
[17:46] <dabaR> Or I asked wrong
[17:46] <charlie-tca> after alpha1 is out, I use update manager
[17:47] <charlie-tca> It is normally the easiest upgrade path
[17:48] <dabaR> charlie-tca: what is the alternative to the update manager?
[17:50] <charlie-tca> dabaR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.10%20or%20Ubuntu%208.04%20LTS
[17:51] <charlie-tca> lists the supported upgrade methods
[17:51] <dabaR> boring
[17:52] <dabaR> But thank you./
[17:52] <dabaR> Maybe I should explain what I find boring...
[17:52] <dabaR> Just basically how both methods are the same method except with or without the gui
[18:13] <dabaR> here goes
[18:20] <dabaR> This was too easy
[18:20] <dabaR> I mean, every single thing still works.
[18:20] <dabaR> Not that I tested every single thing, or anything...
[18:28] <charlie-tca> That's the idea
[18:53] <hifi> was it intentional that my partitions were forced from ext3 to ext4 in fstab at some point?
[18:53] <hifi> or did I do that myself...
[18:53] <hifi> I just can't remember
[18:59] <bjsnider> hifi, if you clean installed it would be intentional. if you just keep upgrading it wouldn't be done without your approval
[18:59] <hifi> yeah, probably screwed it up myself then
[19:00] <hifi> I tried 2.6.33-rc2 from the kernel team ppa and found out I had ext5 in fstab for both of my partitions and root was still mounted as ext3, but my other partition was mounted as ext4
[19:00] <hifi> the ext4 driver also crashed, thats when I noticed :)
[19:02] <penguin42> ext5, that's an interesting forward looking setting
[19:04] <Tscheesy> penguin42: ^^
[19:05] <mostafa_> how can I open Pmagic.iso with usb-creator and then write it into the USB Disk?
[19:05] <benste> hi, - what's the default pswd for the live session user "ubuntu" - gdm didn't list any user and I've created a new user from CLI to enter GUI, but now to install I require the pswd of "ubuntu"
[19:06] <hifi> uh, ext4
[19:06] <benste> mostafa_: by simply opening the iso within usb-creator ?
[19:07] <mostafa_> beleive or not when I open in this way nothing had happened hsss
[19:07] <benste> did you vertify that the ISO is ok ? - md5sum ?
[19:07] <benste> -> why do you want pmagic.iso on a flash drive ?
[19:14] <Tscheesy> mostafa_: for pmagic.iso i used 'unetbootin'
[19:15] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: when
[19:15] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: you create the bootable flash and reboot
[19:15] <Tscheesy> instead ob usbcreator
[19:15] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: then what happened?
[19:15] <Tscheesy> *of
[19:16] <Tscheesy> i do use this distro
[19:16] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: ok I check both but no use
[19:16] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: what distro?
[19:17] <Tscheesy> partedmagic i think your talking about?
[19:17] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: yeah exactly
[19:18] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: I have pmagic4.3.iso
[19:18] <Tscheesy> use the App unetbootin
[19:18] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: ok then how to create that
[19:18] <Pici> mostafa_: Was there something wrong with the answers that you got in #ubuntu and #kubuntu ?
[19:18] <Pici> #ubuntu+1 is for Lucid discussion/questions.
[19:19] <Tscheesy> mostafa_: you will easyly find it with google
[19:19] <mostafa_> Pici: yeah I don't get the answer because I test all things that they said
[19:20] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: I had created the bootable flash with unetbootin
[19:20] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: but when I reboot to boot from the USB
[19:20] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: it shows me a white screen that just get Enter
[19:20] <mostafa_> after that
[19:20] <Tscheesy> works fine here - often its a BIOS-Lock or an unsuitable USB-Medium
[19:21] <Tscheesy> or  a damaged Image
[19:22] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: your words is correct just in the case that it was false and collapsed in windows too?
[19:22] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: isn't it?
[19:22] <Tscheesy> mostafa_: sorry i don't get htis - my English is too bad
[19:22] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: but when I write the same iso in windows with Ultraiso all the thing works fine
[19:23] <Tscheesy> hm-- also Unetbootin claims to work better under Windows..
[19:23] <Tscheesy> so - sorry for offtopic in here
[19:24] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: you mean what I mean? do you have pmagic.iso?
[19:24] <Pici> mostafa_: What does this have to do with Lucid?
[19:25] <mostafa_> Pici: excuse me sir I want Tscheesy just to check it for if he has it
[19:25] <mostafa_> that's all
[19:26] <Tscheesy> mostafa_: sure - from official source
[19:27] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: can you check it bro for me with unetbootin?
[19:27] <Tscheesy> i habe no unetbootin anymore - so no - Distrowatch.com or Google show you the page - you need the Live Version
[19:28] <mostafa_> Tscheesy: ok thnx bro 4 your response
[19:28] <mostafa_> ;)
[19:29] <Tscheesy> np - srry folks
[20:54] <Guest97245> Hey all
[20:56] <Guest97245> I read that there exists a profiler which examines boot up time and shows what parts of the boot sequence slow the computer. Anyone know where I can find info on how to ues this ? Thanks
[20:58] <bjsnider> bootchart
[20:58] <bjsnider> but i think the boot issues in lucid are due to readahead
[20:58] <Guest97245> ok
[20:59] <Guest97245> well, I opened a ticket about boot time, with this it'll be more complete :d
[21:01] <yofel> !bootchart | Guest97245
[21:01] <Guest97245> Ok
[21:01] <Guest97245> I ran apt-get install
[21:01] <Guest97245> does it automatically update menu.lst ?
[21:01] <alex_mayorga> how to report a "npviewer.bin[2993]: segfault"?
[21:01] <yofel> Guest97245: it doesn't need a menu.lst entry
[21:02] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, ubuntu-bug nspluginwrapper
[21:03] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, thanks, let me try
[21:03] <bjsnider> you should not be using that unless you are still using 32 bit ubuntu
[21:03] <alex_mayorga> I've reinstalled to 64 bit now
[21:04] <alex_mayorga> other than that and my faulty HD, seems to be going OK
[21:04] <bjsnider> just grab the native 64 bit adobe flash pugin and ununstall all flash packages
[21:05] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, straight from Adobe? or is there a package?
[21:06] <bjsnider> not a debian package, no
[21:08] <Guest50099> Guest97245 is now known as Guest50099
[21:08] <Guest50099> I ran bootchart, that works really well. Thanks!
[21:09] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, would there ever be?
[21:09] <bjsnider> adobe doesn't let it be redstributed that way
[21:09] <bjsnider> i think that's the problem
[21:10] <alex_mayorga> bug 462433 it seems, I even marked a duplicate ;)
[21:10] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, how's the 32 bit distributed then?
[21:11] <Guest50099> When I upload attachments to launchpad, any way to mark the attachment as private ?
[21:12] <Guest50099> tooo late, already pressed it
[21:12] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, a script that downloads, unpacks, and installs the plugin is what is packaged, not the plugin itself
[21:13] <Guest50099> I have issues with multimedia keys on my ibm t43, worked on Ubuntu 8.04. Ticket is #501520. What steps can I do to add the most information ?
[21:13] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, I see, but theres no one for 64 so far?
[21:15] <bjsnider> gues not. but there are scripts out there for that
[21:15] <Guest50099> I used the command "xev" and so no events in the output, so I don't know where to go from here
[21:44] <Guest50099> Guess everyone is gone to eat, if any of you know what debugging steps I need to do for #501520, add it to the ticket. It'll allow me to make a more informed ticket :d
[21:47] <rrva> can I use the hdmi port on my laptop for input? It's a lenovo N500 notebook with intel g45
[21:49] <DanaG> Nope, that would take special hardware that essentially NO laptops have.
[21:49] <rrva> :(
[21:50] <tgpraveen> !info evince
[21:50] <tgpraveen> hmm 2.29.4 GNOME isn't in lucid yet?
[22:11] <kriss3d> how do i upgrade linux from 9.10 koala kubuntu to the new one once its released ?
[22:12] <yofel> kriss3d: with update-manager, lucid will be released in April 2010
[22:13] <karma_police> test
[22:14] <guntbert> karma_police: failed :)
[22:14] <yofel> there's something more useful than test
[22:14] <yofel> !ping
[22:14] <karma_police> ty.. new to this
[22:14] <yofel> !me
[22:15] <Tscheesy> !info digikam
[22:15] <karma_police> anyone know how much different 10.04 is gonna be from 0.10?
[22:16] <karma_police> 9.10*
[22:16] <kriss3d> yofel:  thanks.. i didnt know i have an update manager.. im still learning the features of kubuntu as it is..
[22:18] <yofel> karma_police: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx for references
[22:20] <yofel> kriss3d: I'm a bit new to kubuntu too, iirc kpackagekit should notify you when Lucid is available
[22:21] <kriss3d> ah yeah ok.. i use pkackagekit too
[22:49] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[23:10] <penguin42> hey
[23:18] <penguin42> which reminds me; what's changed that means Lucid isn't asking me for my password when I try and mount an encryptied partition I've got on the hard drive; it's asking me for the key passphrase, but not for the user password to auth with
[23:19] <penguin42> sounds like a policykit type of thing?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> yofel: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/n2n/+bug/501768
[23:37] <BUGabundo> can you confirm it please?
[23:39] <yofel> BUGabundo: done
[23:39] <BUGabundo> danka
[23:39] <BUGabundo> also emailed upstream
[23:39] <bjsnider> what is n2n?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> since their BTS (trac) requires loing
[23:39] <BUGabundo> but shows no option to register
[23:39] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ntop, yes
[23:40] <BUGabundo> I'm pretty sure the bug is NOT in n2n
[23:40] <BUGabundo> but some other changed package
[23:42] <BUGabundo>  anyone has any idea what IOCTL would be ??
[23:43] <crimsun> as in ioctl(2)?
[23:43] <crimsun> (apt-get install manpages-dev)
[23:45] <BUGabundo> crimsun: same thing
[23:45] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, in that case, an ioctl is just a way of asking for a particular action to occur on a file
[23:45] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:46] <crimsun> "same thing"?
[23:46] <cwillu_at_work> as it happens, the device or file it's trying to poke doesn't exist
[23:46] <crimsun> the error is pretty straightforward, the file doesn't exist
[23:46] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, strace or ltrace on the binary should give you the name of the file that's dying, near the end of the trace
[23:46] <crimsun> strace -f , at least
[23:47] <BUGabundo> crimsun: was fine 2 weeks ago
[23:47] <crimsun> that really doesn't mean anything
[23:47] <crimsun> "two weeks ago the sun was shining"
[23:47] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:47] <BUGabundo> let me trace it
[23:47] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, the strace is the next thing to do :)
[23:47] <BUGabundo> prob is, it requires sudo
[23:47] <penguin42> crimsun: Well possibly, but there again ioctl doesn't normally take a filename, so something else is probably going on
[23:48] <crimsun> penguin42: could be, I'm not reading the bug report
[23:48] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, ltrace will probably work too
[23:48] <penguin42> crimsun: Neither am I :-)
[23:48] <BUGabundo> open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[23:48] <BUGabundo> and a bunch of those
[23:48] <cwillu_at_work> it's the last one that'll matter
[23:48] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Is that just before the failure, because that's not too unusual ?
[23:49] <BUGabundo> $ ls /usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/
[23:49] <BUGabundo> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/: No such file or directory
[23:49] <penguin42> (Anyone used 'perf' in 2.6.33 ?)
[23:49] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, pastebin the last 50 lines of the trace before it fails
[23:49] <BUGabundo> write(1, "30/Dec/2009 23:49:28 [     edge."..., 7230/Dec/2009 23:49:28 [     edge.c:1136] Using supernode 88.86.108.50:82
[23:49] <BUGabundo> ) = 72
[23:49] <BUGabundo> setuid(0)                               = 0
[23:49] <BUGabundo> open("/dev/net/tun", O_RDWR)            = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[23:49] <BUGabundo> write(1, "ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or "..., 46ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2]
[23:49] <BUGabundo> got it
[23:49] <BUGabundo> /dev/net/tun
[23:49] <cwillu_at_work> you're missing a tun device are you?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> no
[23:50] <BUGabundo> everyone on +1 is
[23:50] <BUGabundo> just try it yourself
[23:50] <penguin42> BUGabundo: modprobe tun
[23:51] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: I've asked yofel to try install it, and he confirmed it
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, yes?
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, I know its a bug, you filed it :p
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> Probing at its nature
[23:51] <cwillu_at_work> Does /dev/net/tun exist?  what's the permissions on it?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> $ sudo modprobe tun
[23:51] <BUGabundo> $ sudo edge -c f -a 10.10.10.1 -l 88.86.108.50:82 -k f -u 1000 -g 1000
[23:51] <BUGabundo> 10.10.10.1
[23:51] <BUGabundo> 30/Dec/2009 23:51:22 [     edge.c:1136] Using supernode 88.86.108.50:82
[23:51] <BUGabundo> 30/Dec/2009 23:51:22 [tuntap_linux.c:  38] Interface edge0 has MAC E6:28:19:8F:5D:97
[23:51] <BUGabundo> its working now
[23:52] <BUGabundo> why the heck did Lucid stop modprobing it ?
[23:52] <yofel> o.O
[23:52] <cwillu_at_work> I don't have a /dev/net on my lucid laptop
[23:52] <penguin42> BUGabundo: No particularly good reason to have it in by default
[23:54] <penguin42> I lost track, what is supposed to auto load modules these days?
[23:54] <cwillu_at_work> udev
[23:54] <BUGabundo> so it's a udev bug :(
[23:54] <BUGabundo> re-targeting
[23:54] <BUGabundo> should I add udev
[23:54] <BUGabundo> or change n2n to udev ?
[23:54] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, incidently, ssh will also use tun devices, and disabling the tun module _will_ break stuff on upgrades for some people because of that
[23:55] <yofel> nice, openvpn errors out too...
[23:55] <cwillu_at_work> yep
[23:55] <cwillu_at_work> it probably took 53 milliseconds to load at boot :p
[23:55] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: I'd just have expected it to get loaded as needed
[23:55] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, how do you tell when its needed though?
[23:55] <BUGabundo> *should I add udev or change n2n to udev ?*
[23:56] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Didn't there used to be stuff that triggered module loading when /dev/whatever was opened?
[23:56] <jcole> hello everyone, i installed ubuntu for a friend on his laptop and am trying to figure out how to sync his itouch music... is there a linux app that is compatible with the itouch/iphone?
[23:56] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, it affects n2n, ssh, openvpn at least
[23:56] <BUGabundo> adding udev for now
[23:56] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Oh, silly me - that was triggering on device major/minor wasn't it
[23:56] <yofel> jcole: which ubuntu version?
[23:56] <jcole> karmic
[23:57] <BUGabundo> feel free to coment on the bug and add affected packages, you guys can test
[23:57] <yofel> jcole: then please ask in #ubuntu, this channel is for Lucid Lynx (10.04) support
[23:57] <jcole> yofel: im also trying this on lucid
[23:57] <BUGabundo> jcole: you will need something like exaile or rhytombox
[23:57] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, what happens if you shut down n2n, and then rmmod tun and delete /dev/net/tun, and then mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> both have support for ipod and usbmass storage
[23:57] <cwillu_at_work> does n2n still work?
[23:58] <jcole> yofel: i run lucid on *my* laptop since i do ubuntu development
[23:58] <yofel> jcole: sry, didn't know ;)
[23:58] <cwillu_at_work> jcole, itouch is still a work in progress requiring at least a jailbroken device afaik
[23:58] <cwillu_at_work> there's been progress on that front, but nothing production ready afaik
[23:58] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: testing
[23:59] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: I wonder, there are ssh clients for itouch aren't there? scp ?
[23:59] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: $ sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 mknod: `/dev/net/tun': No such file or directory