| mahngiel | good eve all. just a quick question ( i hope ). i'm looking to find the file location of the gnome menu bar ( the one which displays "applications, places, system') | 01:15 |
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| mahngiel | i've gone through ~/.config/menus/ and /etc/xdg/menus/ to no avail found the parent editable | 01:16 |
| mahngiel | anywhere i should look??? | 01:20 |
| mahngiel | i'll re-ask due to new users in chat... | 01:24 |
| mahngiel | i'm trying to find the location of the parent 'config (if you will)' for the gnome menu bar that houses "Apps, places, & system' | 01:25 |
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| sbalneav | Could someone with main rights have a quick look at Bug #501559 | 06:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 501559 in libgksu "libgksu fails to start many programs, fails with: assert g_str_has_prefix str != NULL" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501559 | 06:16 |
| sbalneav | libgksu needs another config flag now, due to changes upstream to restore previous behavior. | 06:16 |
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| crimsun | sbalneav: is there a solid reason why the change was made to reverse the previous default? | 06:29 |
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| udiio | Q: can I make dpkg -b follow symlinks instead of putting them as is into the deb? | 09:35 |
| udiio | (like tar -h / tar --dereference | 09:37 |
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| krymel | hi all | 11:45 |
| krymel | I'm planning to build a special distribution based uppon 10.04. Some kind of overlay to provide some different packages, removing unneeded etc. Do you know if there is some documentation/howto about this topic? | 11:47 |
| krymel | I'm familiar with deb-packaging etc. but not so much with the server side to conigure the meta-informations to provide repositories for the new distribution | 11:49 |
| kblin | you want to have a look at documentation on creating your own remix, I guess | 11:51 |
| hicham | can plymouth be run on karmic ? | 11:53 |
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| sbalneav | crimsun: Looks as if this was a patch that was originally in debian. Patch was moved upstream, but the corresponding --enable wasn't | 14:38 |
| sbalneav | So my friend stgraber tells me. | 14:39 |
| sbalneav | I discovered it by looking at the code in karmic vs lucid | 14:39 |
| sbalneav | by default in karmic, it's always doing the forkpty. | 14:39 |
| sbalneav | and that clearly works. | 14:40 |
| Quibus | hi all | 14:40 |
| Quibus | I've heard from an Ubuntu user that our program (openMSX, also in Ubuntu) hangsup. But when he kills pulse-audio, it works fine. | 14:41 |
| Quibus | This is with the standard package | 14:41 |
| Quibus | Doesn't this mean something is broken in Ubuntu? :-) | 14:41 |
| Tm_T | not automatically | 14:42 |
| Quibus | I'm not running Ubuntu, but in principle, installing the package 'openmsx' should give you the command 'openmsx' which should run fine. | 14:43 |
| Quibus | And it didn't on his netbook | 14:43 |
| Tm_T | Quibus: and openmsx should work just finr with pulseaudio? | 14:44 |
| Quibus | Tm_T: it's an SDL app, so it should work like any other SDL app using audio, I guess. | 14:44 |
| asac | doko: is gcc-snapshot ready for armel? | 14:46 |
| Tm_T | hmm, so it might be pulseaudio causing this, hmm, shame I cannot test | 14:46 |
| Quibus | Tm_T: a standard install on a VM might expose the problem | 14:47 |
| Quibus | apparently pulseaudio is installed by default nowadays | 14:47 |
| Tm_T | I cannot try it in that way either, sorry | 14:47 |
| Quibus | Tm_T: on your Ubuntu install, can you just install and run openMSX without problems? | 14:48 |
| Quibus | there was apparently also another problem | 14:48 |
| Tm_T | Quibus: then I have to set pulseaudio and many other things, too much hussle when I don't have time | 14:51 |
| Quibus | nah, you don't need that | 14:51 |
| Quibus | Tm_T: can I just bluntly let our (Ubuntu) user remove the pulseaudio package? :-) | 14:57 |
| Quibus | Tm_T: who is the Ubuntu maintainer of the openMSX package? All I see is the Debian maintainer, but it works fine on Debian. | 15:07 |
| Quibus | Tm_T: apparently files are installed at the wrong place for this package as well. Or for the cbios package, on which it depends. | 15:17 |
| Quibus | Tm_T: OK, I've had a chance to contact that user again, and the main problem is still that pulseaudio makes the app hang. Removing it solves the problem. | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | Quibus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1071066 | 16:11 |
| sbalneav | Third post. | 16:11 |
| sbalneav | need some compat work to get SDL <-> Pulse | 16:11 |
| Quibus | sbalneav: we're not talking about choppiness, but just a complete hangup. Only kill -9 kills the app | 16:11 |
| sbalneav | We've had problems with Pulse in ltsp, same issue, with pulse hanging. | 16:12 |
| Quibus | so, the idea is to let it use the ESD compat and let SDL use esd | 16:12 |
| sbalneav | appears with sdl. Seems sdl doesn't talk nice to pulse, or pulse doesn't talk nice to sdl, or someone's not talking nice to someone. :) | 16:13 |
| Quibus | indeed | 16:13 |
| sbalneav | Quibus: Worth a try, anyway. | 16:13 |
| alkisg | sbalneav: it's a dependency of libsdl, it depends on alsa instead of pulse | 16:13 |
| * alkisg looks for one of the 12 reported bugs about it... | 16:13 | |
| sbalneav | alkisg: yeah, didn't you run into something like this? | 16:14 |
| alkisg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/203158 | 16:14 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 203158 in libsdl1.2 "libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio must be installed as default by libsdl1.2debian" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:14 |
| alkisg | sbalneav: only dozens of times... :) | 16:14 |
| alkisg | Reported many of them, but it's just a tiny single line, and it isn't being commited | 16:14 |
| alkisg | I don't know why. It just breaks stuff... | 16:14 |
| alkisg | Please fix it for Lucid, by putting libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio first in the libsdl1.2debian dependencies: | 16:15 |
| alkisg | Depends: libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio | libsdl1.2debian-all | libsdl1.2debian-alsa | libsdl1.2debian-esd | libsdl1.2debian-oss | libsdl1.2debian-nas | 16:15 |
| alkisg | That's all there is to it, a small rotation in the Depends line | 16:15 |
| sbalneav | Any core devs here willing to make the dep switch? | 16:16 |
| sbalneav | alkisg: I thought you had run into this before. | 16:17 |
| ScottK | That's not very friendly to the Ubuntu flavors that don't ship pulseaudio | 16:17 |
| sbalneav | Quibus: Maybe that will fix your issues. | 16:17 |
| Quibus | sbalneav: I'll ask the reporter to do this | 16:18 |
| sbalneav | ScottK: So, how would you recommend fixing this behaviour then? Clearly there's a problem between sdl <-> pulse. Would identifying all SDL packages and making them depend on libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio be the better way to go? | 16:19 |
| ScottK | I haven't had time (and don't) to research it detail, but assuming all Ubuntu users have and use Pulse is not the right way. | 16:21 |
| alkisg | ScottK: I don't think it's very friendly break the *primary* Ubuntu flavors for I don't know which others don't ship pulse... | 16:21 |
| alkisg | Because right now, sdl is broken in Ubuntu, as it uses pulse by default | 16:22 |
| ScottK | Kubuntu for one. | 16:22 |
| alkisg | ScottK: and, wouldn't Depends be satisfied if alsa is installed? | 16:22 |
| alkisg | No'one proposed to remove sdl-alsa... | 16:22 |
| ScottK | If libsdl1.2debian-alsa was installed, yes. | 16:23 |
| alkisg | OK, maybe it would work on Kubuntu as well then | 16:23 |
| ScottK | But just shoving the pulse one to the front merely shifts the problem. | 16:23 |
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| alkisg | It surely *doesn't* work in Ubuntu right now... and I think it's the official flavor, no? | 16:24 |
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| Quibus | sbalneav: just installing the libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio package doesn't fix the hangup, it seems | 16:26 |
| sbalneav | ScottK: Would identifying all SDL applications and dep'ing them on libsld*-pulseaudio be the correct way to approach this? | 16:27 |
| Quibus | sbalneav: oh, never mind, maybe it does work | 16:27 |
| sbalneav | I'd me more than happy to undertake identifying them, and filing bugs | 16:27 |
| sbalneav | Quibus: Ah, good news | 16:27 |
| alkisg | sbalneav: I don't think that would be a good approach, as it would require making ubuntu-specific packages for many SDL apps that are now imported as is from debian | 16:28 |
| ScottK | sbalneav: I think the trick is needing a smarter way to pick the right sdl flavor, but I'm not certain. | 16:28 |
| alkisg | Another way around it would be to make a dummy package, e.g. libsdl-ubuntu | 16:32 |
| alkisg | And that package would depend on libsdl-pulse, so it would pull that one | 16:32 |
| alkisg | That wouldn't require any maintanance, as it would only be there to select the right dependency | 16:33 |
| sbalneav | So you'd depend on libsdl-ubuntu | libsdl-kubuntu | libsdl-edubuntu, etc? | 16:33 |
| alkisg | No, ubuntu-desktop would depend on that (or wherever else is the difference between ubuntu/kubuntu) | 16:34 |
| * alkisg looks... | 16:35 | |
| sbalneav | ah | 16:35 |
| alkisg | Right, ubuntu-desktop depends on pulseaudio, so it could also depend either on that dummy package, or even directly on libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio... | 16:36 |
| sbalneav | makes sense. | 16:40 |
| alkisg | apt-cache rdepends libsdl1.2debian | wc -l | 16:45 |
| alkisg | 387 | 16:45 |
| alkisg | All those 387 apps break in a default ubuntu installation, because of the dependency problem. | 16:46 |
| Quibus | yay | 16:48 |
| Quibus | And this is not a release critical bug?? | 16:48 |
| sbalneav | Well, you'd think it would be, especially since some of the rdepends are in main. | 16:49 |
| hyperair | hmm that sdl issue rears its head again | 16:51 |
| * hyperair sighs | 16:51 | |
| * ScottK wonders where is crimsun when you need him. | 16:52 | |
| hyperair | heh | 16:52 |
| * alkisg has seen dozens of bugs about it in launchpad, with dozens of duplicates for each of them :( | 16:52 | |
| hyperair | lemme dig in my logs. i think i was talking to crimsun about this last time.. | 16:52 |
| sbalneav | Well, it'll keep rearing it's head until we whack on the head sufficiently hard enough to make it go away. :) | 16:52 |
| hyperair | 2009-11.log:04:28 <dtchen_> ugh. Ubuntu needs libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio on the discs as opposed to libsdl1.2debian-alsa. Which is going to be tough because Kubuntu and Xubuntu don't ship PulseAudio. | 16:54 |
| hyperair | 2009-12.log:15:19 <micahg> pitti: it's for libsdl1.2debian | 16:54 |
| hyperair | 2009-12.log:09:22 <dtchen> crypt-0: what, using libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio as a workaround? sure, that's a *workaround*. it doesn't at all address the fundamental bug. | 16:54 |
| hyperair | and it seems i was talking to themuso at that time | 16:55 |
| hyperair | speaking of whacking things on the head, my head feels pretty whacked up @_@ | 16:55 |
| micahg | hyperair: he just gave an IRC session on fixing alsa bugs | 16:55 |
| hyperair | ah | 16:56 |
| hyperair | micahg: well this is more of a dependency issue rather than anything.. | 16:56 |
| hyperair | how about pulseaudio recommending libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio? | 16:56 |
| alkisg | Isn't it possible to put it in the Dependencies of ubuntu-desktop, as that's the package that seperates Ubuntu from the other flavors? | 16:56 |
| sbalneav | apt's installing the recommends' now, iirc? That might work. | 16:57 |
| hyperair | yeah it should be possible, but the thing is.. do you want libsdl installed by default? | 16:57 |
| micahg | hyperair: crimsun said that was only a workaround per my discussion with him, he said someone needs to actually fix it :) here's a link to the training session: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/Logs/2009-12-27 | 16:58 |
| alkisg | It is installed by default, though... | 16:58 |
| hyperair | alkisg: it is?! | 16:58 |
| alkisg | Yeah, I can see it in the alpha Lucid live cd | 16:58 |
| alkisg | The -alsa one, I mean | 16:58 |
| hyperair | micahg: i don't see anything of sdl in the training session | 16:59 |
| micahg | hyperair: the training session was for alsa bugs, where I thought the problem with sdl was | 17:00 |
| hyperair | ah | 17:00 |
| hyperair | no the problem here is that the wrong flavour of sdl is being installed by default | 17:00 |
| micahg | hyperair: I had that argument already as you posted a few minutes ago :) | 17:01 |
| hyperair | heh | 17:02 |
| * micahg will be quiet now :) | 17:02 | |
| wind-rider | hi | 17:02 |
| hyperair | libsdl seems to be pretty tiny | 17:02 |
| hyperair | i think we can install it by default.. | 17:02 |
| wind-rider | i have a question about adding keysyms to xkb | 17:02 |
| hyperair | wind-rider: #ubuntu | 17:03 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: i'd like to add them upstream | 17:03 |
| hyperair | oh. upstream. | 17:03 |
| hyperair | er | 17:03 |
| hyperair | file a bug? | 17:03 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: i though #ubuntu is for "customer support" | 17:03 |
| hyperair | yeah, sorry | 17:03 |
| hyperair | i thought you were asking about how to add keysyms to some config file in $HOME | 17:04 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: that can be done using a xmodmap file | 17:04 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: indeed | 17:04 |
| hyperair | mmhmm | 17:04 |
| hyperair | wind-rider: so which upstream do you mean? | 17:05 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: but i have a sony vaio sr-series laptop which has some hotkeys and a mode- and settings-button for them | 17:05 |
| hyperair | ah | 17:05 |
| hyperair | i see | 17:05 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: i think something should be added to the xkb-data package | 17:05 |
| hyperair | hmmmm | 17:05 |
| hyperair | i'm not sure where it goes | 17:05 |
| hyperair | wasn't it supposed to go through udev or something... | 17:05 |
| hyperair | @_@ | 17:05 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: like this: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Hotkeys/Architecture | 17:06 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: i think udev is when there is no keycode yet | 17:06 |
| hyperair | ah | 17:06 |
| hyperair | right | 17:06 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: but these keys already generate a keycode, only they do not have a X11 keysym | 17:06 |
| hyperair | basically you're saying that xev has your keycode, right? | 17:06 |
| hyperair | oh | 17:07 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: xev returns the keycode, but 'NoSymbol' as keysym | 17:07 |
| hyperair | i see. | 17:07 |
| hyperair | well i'm not sure where that goes =p | 17:07 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: and that makes that i can't use them in qt or kde | 17:07 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: i think i have to use http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Rules | 17:07 |
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| wind-rider | hyperair: but i could use some help | 17:07 |
| hyperair | wind-rider: are you sure? if xev can capture it, it can be used. | 17:08 |
| hyperair | wind-rider: as a hotkey i mean | 17:08 |
| hyperair | my keyboard used to have missing keysyms too | 17:08 |
| hyperair | it gave me a bunch of 0xwhatever | 17:08 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: in gnome, yes, but not in kde | 17:08 |
| hyperair | ah | 17:08 |
| hyperair | KDE's fault then | 17:08 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: you mean using gnome-keybinding-settings or so? | 17:08 |
| hyperair | yes | 17:08 |
| hyperair | but you did mention that gnome yes but not in kde | 17:08 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: well, qt and kde do not respond that way | 17:08 |
| hyperair | so go file a bug in KDE | 17:09 |
| hyperair | or QT | 17:09 |
| hyperair | or whichever is at fault | 17:09 |
| hyperair | i'd sugget that you also file a bug with xkb | 17:09 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: kde is qt-based | 17:09 |
| hyperair | or wherever the keysyms come from | 17:09 |
| hyperair | wind-rider: i'm very well aware of that. | 17:09 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: i meant the fact that it doesn't work in kde is because it doesn't work in qt | 17:10 |
| hyperair | but is the library that lacks support for it qt or kde? | 17:10 |
| hyperair | ah | 17:10 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: but i | 17:10 |
| hyperair | i thought KDE was the one that handled hotkeys... | 17:10 |
| hyperair | Qt's just a graphical toolkit | 17:10 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: it's qt, see http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKShortcut.html#16c533665594ce8b5bf0f756a68a863c | 17:11 |
| hyperair | aha i see | 17:12 |
| wind-rider | qt also passes the keys | 17:12 |
| wind-rider | in a qkeysequence | 17:12 |
| hyperair | i see | 17:12 |
| hyperair | so file a bug in qt | 17:12 |
| hyperair | and also file a bug in xkb so that the keysym comes around | 17:12 |
| wind-rider | qts keys are mapped to x11s keysyms | 17:13 |
| hyperair | meh. | 17:13 |
| hyperair | bad design >_> | 17:13 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: so if a x11-binding is lacking, it doesn't work i thing | 17:13 |
| hyperair | hence bad design | 17:13 |
| hyperair | so file a bug | 17:14 |
| wind-rider | i can do that, but i'd like to do something about the x11 keysym using http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Rules | 17:14 |
| wind-rider | and i was hoping somebody could help me here | 17:14 |
| hyperair | i think #ubuntu-x would have more people who could help you with this.. | 17:15 |
| hyperair | i'm not familiar with this | 17:15 |
| wind-rider | ok, i did not know that channel exists | 17:15 |
| hyperair | =) | 17:15 |
| hyperair | either way you should still file a bug first | 17:15 |
| hyperair | in the upstream bug tracker | 17:16 |
| hyperair | *trackers | 17:16 |
| hyperair | qt inclusive | 17:16 |
| hyperair | i'd consider it a bug to not be able to handle sequences that are caught correctly by xev | 17:16 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: you could say that, yes | 17:19 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: i see qt can return scancodes instead of a 'recognized' key | 17:20 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: but that those are probably not used in kde | 17:20 |
| hyperair | then it would be a fault of KDE | 17:20 |
| hyperair | so the bug would go there | 17:20 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: thanks for thinking along! | 17:23 |
| hyperair | np | 17:32 |
| alkisg | How can I find out which package pulls libsdl in the default ubuntu installation? I've got a Lucid live cd on a vbox right now if it helps... | 17:34 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: bug reported: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220712 | 17:36 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 220712 in shortcuts "KDE can not use keys as shortcut that do not have a X11 keysym" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 17:36 |
| * hyperair claps | 17:36 | |
| wind-rider | :) | 17:37 |
| ScottK | alkisg: aptitude why [packagename] may help. | 17:37 |
| alkisg | ScottK: thanks, just got it with rdepends and grepping, | 17:38 |
| alkisg | it's libgegl | 17:38 |
| sbalneav | Prolly for the killer gegls easter egg | 17:39 |
| alkisg | Ahm... is gimp going to be dropped in Lucid? If so, it appears that it'll take libsdl with it (on the default installation...) | 17:40 |
| ScottK | That's also not directly seeded. | 17:40 |
| ScottK | alkisg: My understanding is it's not going to be in the default Ubuntu install. | 17:40 |
| ScottK | alkisg: Yes, it's just on the dvd now. | 17:41 |
| alkisg | Hmm then forcing ubuntu-desktop to include libsdl-pulse won't have any chances of being accepted... :( | 17:41 |
| ScottK | I'd guesss not. | 17:42 |
| wind-rider | hyperair: i must go, bye! | 17:42 |
| * hyperair waves | 17:42 | |
| sbalneav | So, then looks like a recommends on pulseaudio would be the way to go. | 17:43 |
| tmus | debootstrap'ing an ubuntu system leaves me with a keyboard that doesn't work with danish chars... Everything else appears to work fine and the keyboard and fonts have been configured. I suspect some important library is missing from the debootstrap based installation, but cannot figure out which one... Any idea? And should it be fixed? | 17:44 |
| ScottK | sbalneav: For which package? | 17:44 |
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| alkisg | For libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio, I imagine... | 17:45 |
| sbalneav | pulseaudio itself? That way, if your ubuntu flavour installs pulse, you'll get the recommended sdl | 17:45 |
| sbalneav | ah, sorry, misunderstood the question. | 17:46 |
| ScottK | Having pulseaudio recommend libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio would also pull it onto the CD. | 17:46 |
| siretart | is that something we would want? do we have any sdl using applications on the CD? | 17:47 |
| ScottK | siretart: We don't anymore. | 17:47 |
| sbalneav | bbiab | 17:47 |
| alkisg | It's already on the CD | 17:47 |
| ScottK | alkisg: Why? | 17:48 |
| alkisg | I mean that it is, *currently* | 17:48 |
| ScottK | Didn't you just say that gimp was the only thing pulling it on? | 17:48 |
| alkisg | Yup | 17:48 |
| ScottK | Gimp isn't on the CD in Lucid. | 17:48 |
| alkisg | It is, on my alpha.. | 17:48 |
| ScottK | Grepping the seeds produces ubuntu.lucid/dvd: * gimp | 17:49 |
| alkisg | Well I just booted with the live cd!?? /me rechecks... | 17:49 |
| siretart | alkisg: try today's daily... | 17:49 |
| alkisg | siretart: well, that would take me hours :) | 17:50 |
| alkisg | If it was removed after the alpha, sure, I'm just reporting what I see on my live cd... | 17:50 |
| ScottK | alkisg: bzr log says: http://paste.debian.net/55247/ | 17:52 |
| alkisg | OK. So. A user installs Lucid. Then he installs tuxpaint. The -alsa flavor of libsdl gets installed, and tuxpaint just hangs. | 17:53 |
| alkisg | How can that be fixed? I assume modifying 387 packages is not an option, and neither is shipping a different libsdl dummy package for Ubuntu than the one for Kubuntu... | 17:53 |
| ScottK | So the question would be what bug was crimsun saying seeding the pulse version was just a work around for and how to get it fixed? | 17:53 |
| alkisg | So what other solutions are there? | 17:54 |
| * ScottK wonders if hyperair has that in his logs too? | 17:54 | |
| hyperair | ScottK: hmm? what about? | 17:55 |
| ScottK | [11:54:47] <hyperair> 2009-12.log:09:22 <dtchen> crypt-0: what, using libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio as a workaround? sure, that's a *workaround*. it doesn't at all address the fundamental bug. | 17:55 |
| ScottK | So what's the fundamental bug? | 17:56 |
| hyperair | lemme see | 17:56 |
| alkisg | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/08/%23ubuntu-devel.txt | 17:57 |
| ScottK | alkisg: What time? | 17:58 |
| hyperair | 09:22 UTC+0800 | 17:59 |
| alkisg | ScottK: [01:22] <dtchen> crypt-0: what, using libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio as a workaround? sure, that's a *workaround*. it doesn't at all address the fundamental bug. | 17:59 |
| ScottK | Thanks | 17:59 |
| hyperair | something about not syncing hw ptr | 17:59 |
| hyperair | nothing much was said there | 17:59 |
| ScottK | Different issue. | 18:02 |
| alkisg | Does "Depends: A | B" *always* installs "A" if neither of those packages are already installed? | 18:04 |
| alkisg | Or is there some way to alter the priorities? | 18:04 |
| alkisg | Hmmm what about "pulseaudio => conflicts: libsdl-alsa"? | 18:05 |
| Quibus | What you seem to need is: "if installed(pulseaudio) && needs(libsdl) { install(libsdl-pulsaudio) } so to speak | 18:05 |
| ScottK | Which isn't supported. | 18:05 |
| * ScottK punts to crimsun. | 18:06 | |
| hyperair | wait, what alkisg said makes sense, doesn't it? | 18:06 |
| hyperair | if pulseaudio conflicts all the libsdls except pulseaudio, then it would force the pulseaudio libsdl to be installed, right? | 18:07 |
| ScottK | It might. I'd have to test it to make sure. | 18:07 |
| alkisg | ScottK: I can test it if that'll help in solving the problem. What do I do, build a pulseaudio with "conflicts: libsdl-* except pulse", then install it over the current lucid daily CD, then try to install tuxpaint and see what it gets me? | 18:09 |
| ScottK | alkisg: Sounds reasonable. | 18:09 |
| alkisg | OK, will report back in a few hours, when I download the CD... :-/ | 18:10 |
| ScottK | I'd still want to hear from someone who understands SDL better than me to make sure we aren't just creating another problem. | 18:10 |
| alkisg | (ehm, or I could make a test case with similar dependencies, that'd be much faster...) | 18:10 |
| ScottK | You could also upload your test package to a PPA now, so it'd be ready after you had the CD downloaded. | 18:11 |
| alkisg | OK, I'll do that. I hope it'll be worth it... :) | 18:12 |
| kblin | oh, cool, I found a regression bug :) | 18:17 |
| kblin | to reopen a bug, I just need to set the status of the bug from fix released to new, right? | 18:21 |
| ScottK | kblin: It's probably better to file a new bug with a link to the old one as often different issues can have similar symptoms. | 18:21 |
| ScottK | If a developer agrees the old bug should be reopened, they can do that and mark your new one as a dupe. | 18:22 |
| kblin | ScottK: it's the exact same thing.. | 18:22 |
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| ScottK | kblin: Unless you have a patch, you can't really say that for sure. I see bugs get reopened all the time and it's almost never the same cause. | 18:23 |
| kblin | ScottK: the msmtp package doesn't provide "mail-transport-agent", so you can't install that and then mutt without pulling in postfix (or some other mta) | 18:23 |
| kblin | it's a packaging bug | 18:23 |
| kblin | it looks like this was fixed for feisty, but in karmic I see the same issue | 18:24 |
| ScottK | kblin: Yes, but not in msmtp. It's not an MTA. | 18:24 |
| kblin | huh? how is that not an mta? | 18:25 |
| ScottK | "light SMTP client" | 18:25 |
| ScottK | Being an SMTP client is approximately half of being an MTA. | 18:25 |
| kblin | fair enough, so it's a mutt packaging bug | 18:26 |
| ScottK | Seems reasonable to me. | 18:26 |
| kblin | I'll file a bug againt mutt then | 18:26 |
| kblin | but given that the deb for msmtp says "msmtp is an SMTP client that can be used to send mails from Mutt", it's a bit silly that you can't use it for just that :) | 18:27 |
| kblin | but I see the reasoning for considering this a mutt bug | 18:27 |
| alkisg | The current lucid daily *still* has "autologin not working" problem, like the edubuntu daily I tried 3 days ago also had. | 19:13 |
| krymel | re | 19:13 |
| alkisg | It also has gimp and libsdl installed. Removing to properly test... | 19:14 |
| krymel | my connection was broken last time I asked this: my question was regarding the infrastructure to host packages of the distro. When I want to host all packages of ubuntu lucid on a local http server to have a local shadow mirror copy - is there a howto or documentation how to do this? | 19:17 |
| bigon | Hi, could someone gives back https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plexus-active-collections ?? I cannot | 19:23 |
| kblin | krymel: as I said before, you'll want to look at documentation about creating your own remix. :) | 19:24 |
| krymel | ah ok :) thats the naming :) | 19:24 |
| krymel | thank you! | 19:24 |
| krymel | "remix" :-D | 19:24 |
| kblin | no problem :) | 19:25 |
| krymel_ | member:kblin: maybe you have a link for me pointing to the howto? I cannot find it on google (sry) | 19:29 |
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| naxa | hi. ok. can you help me to build GTK+ on Karmic? :) I'm a complete noob | 19:56 |
| naxa | I've tried to follow jhbuild's docs but it's so outdated that jhbuild says me it's missing it's jhbuild python module... (???) | 19:57 |
| naxa | (or maybe I did something wrong :D) | 19:57 |
| naxa | (hopefully not) | 19:57 |
| naxa | ok maybe I should extract it and configure make make install but I thought jhbuild is out there for some reason | 19:59 |
| naxa | well, never mind.. :) | 20:05 |
| naxa | bye | 20:05 |
| hggdh | regarding bug 383502 -- should we move to coreutils timeout, or simply set WONTFIX? | 20:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 383502 in coreutils "coreutils' timeout(1) is missing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/383502 | 20:51 |
| * flyback bbl gotta shutdown while they rewire | 21:01 | |
| crimsun | ScottK: / sbalneav: the issue lies in alsa-plugins, but we may be able to hack around it in pulseaudio | 23:08 |
| * ScottK fixed the powerpc build failure, but that's about as far as I can go on SDL. | 23:09 | |
| alkisg | ScottK, crimsun: I tried to make pulseaudio conflict with the other libsdl flavors, but I had no success. aptitude was able to installl e.g. tuxpaint afterwards (with solution score=50), but apt-get was unable to. | 23:10 |
| crimsun | ugh | 23:11 |
| crimsun | please don't do silly things with libsdl | 23:11 |
| crimsun | everyone involved knows about the nastiness, and it will be addressed in January | 23:11 |
| crimsun | again, we have a number of issues to walk: | 23:12 |
| crimsun | 1) unnecessary wakeups in the pcm core of alsa-kernel | 23:12 |
| crimsun | 2) incorrect (delayed) "hw ptr" tracking in the pulse alsa-plugin | 23:12 |
| crimsun | 3) races in PA | 23:12 |
| alkisg | OK, there are bugs that need to be solved. I still don't understand how SDL is going to use pulse by default on Ubuntu, instead of alsa. | 23:13 |
| crimsun | alkisg: it can't | 23:14 |
| crimsun | libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio is in universe, for starters | 23:14 |
| alkisg | So is libsdl1.2debian-alsa | 23:14 |
| crimsun | that doesn't even matter | 23:15 |
| crimsun | libsdl1.2debian is in main | 23:15 |
| crimsun | that has a dependency on libsdl1.2debian-all | 23:15 |
| alkisg | Here's a problem: a user installs ltsp and tuxpaint. Both are in main. But the sound doesn't work and the application hangs. | 23:16 |
| alkisg | Even if it worked, it would come out of the server's speakers, instead of the thin client's, if pulse wasn't used | 23:17 |
| alkisg | So it's still a bug in main that needs to be solved. | 23:17 |
| alkisg | Since ubuntu is using pulse, sdl needs to also use pulse by default... | 23:18 |
| crimsun | I've already outlined the three components that need to be fixed | 23:18 |
| crimsun | please feel free to contribute resources to fix them | 23:18 |
| alkisg | But the main problem wasn't addressed | 23:18 |
| alkisg | Even if those problems are fixed, still the ltsp/sdl problem remains | 23:18 |
| alkisg | (unless I didn't understand something, of course) | 23:19 |
| alkisg | In any case, thank you for your time... | 23:20 |
| crimsun | well, the crux of your ltsp/libsdl issue is that it's easy to fix for "Ubuntu" and simultaneously break Kubuntu and Xubuntu | 23:21 |
| alkisg | Right. I wish the packagement system was clever enough to understand that we want libsdl-pulse when we are using pulseaudio. | 23:22 |
| crimsun | so, either Ubuntu gains an explicit seed for libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio and Kubuntu/Xubuntu, libsdl1.2debian-all instead, stuff is going to break. | 23:22 |
| crimsun | I don't think (at least offhand) that the package manager has to do anything special. Just the seeds need to be changed. | 23:23 |
| alkisg | Would that be too bad? (including a seed for libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio) | 23:23 |
| alkisg | It isn't a big library... | 23:23 |
| crimsun | I don't think so as long as the corresponding change for Kubuntu & Xubuntu (libsdl1.2debian-all) are made simultaneously. | 23:24 |
| _zap_ | hi. i would like to install (k)ubuntu on a loop-aes encrypted root. | 23:28 |
| _zap_ | for this it seems i have to modify the installation cd | 23:29 |
| _zap_ | which is ok | 23:29 |
| _zap_ | but i don't see how i can make tell the graphical installer to install ubuntu on /dev/loopX instead of the hard disk | 23:30 |
| _zap_ | is there a way to do that? | 23:30 |
| wgrant | _zap_: #ubuntu can help you. | 23:30 |
| _zap_ | ok# | 23:30 |
| krymel | has anyone an idea where I can find an irc room for asking questions regarding to special topics in linux network stack implementation? | 23:31 |
| crimsun | if there aren't references from either linux-netdev or kernelnewbies, then I don't know offhand | 23:33 |
| _zap_ | krymel: if it's about kernel programming you could try ##kernel | 23:33 |
| krymel | thanks, _zap_ | 23:34 |
| _zap_ | krymel: np | 23:35 |
| crimsun | ok, I'll be sending out an e-mail to ubuntu-devel{,-discuss}, but I'm disabling powerdown for all HDA controllers due to our kernel being unlikely to ship the necessary patches | 23:40 |
| crimsun | One side effect is that your glitching and popping after 10 seconds (or coming back from idle) will disappear | 23:40 |
| crimsun | Since my patches to fix these issues have already been merged into ALSA 1.0.22.1, they'll likely land in a linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic or something, so people who really want the additional 0.5W-0.7W savings can install that package | 23:41 |
| BUGabundo | evening guys | 23:43 |
| BUGabundo | ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2] | 23:43 |
| BUGabundo | rings any bells to anyone ? | 23:43 |
| BUGabundo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/n2n/+bug/501768 | 23:44 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 501768 in n2n "ERROR: ioctl() [No such file or directory][2]" [Undecided,New] | 23:44 |
| crimsun | I just gave you a pointer in +1 | 23:44 |
| * BUGabundo checks | 23:44 | |
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