[00:00] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, that's how the current sync works fr them
[00:00] <penguin42> ah ok
[00:00] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, mkdir /dev/net first
[00:01] <BUGabundo> worked
[00:01] <cwillu_at_work> and n2n works?
[00:01] <BUGabundo> n2n is working too
[00:02] <cwillu_at_work> lsmod|grep tun show anything?
[00:04] <BUGabundo> tun                    13316  0
[00:04] <cwillu_at_work> and you rmmod'd it before right?
[00:04]  * cwillu_at_work thinks
[00:04] <BUGabundo> yp
[00:05] <cwillu_at_work> that doesn't show up on mine after that sequence, although the device exists
[00:05] <cwillu_at_work> unless it just gets modprobe'd on demand at that point
[00:07] <BUGabundo> (12:05:56 AM) asac: you can add tun to /etc/modules to ensure its loaded
[00:09] <cwillu_at_work> shouldn't be necessary though
[00:19] <penguin42> (anyone using kvm?)
[00:21] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: so what now?
[00:21] <BUGabundo> hammer it ?
[00:21] <BUGabundo> alias it to modprob everytime?
[00:21] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:24] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, well, that's what putting tun in /etc/modules would do
[00:24] <BUGabundo> I know
[00:24] <BUGabundo> but I need a true solution
[00:24] <BUGabundo> I'm trying to push this for android
[00:25] <BUGabundo> would be cool to have n2n Linux (ubuntu) to my Android :)
[00:25] <cwillu_at_work> that may well end up being the true solution
[00:25]  * cwillu_at_work notes the existence of lp in /etc/modules
[00:25] <cwillu_at_work> udev is on that bug report, yes?
[00:26] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Odd that, again you would have thought in the old conf.modules days you could just add an alias to load lp when the /dev/lp was accessed
[00:26] <penguin42> oh, but with /dev stuff is only created when it's loaded - yeuch
[00:26]  * cwillu_at_work shrugs
[00:28] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: I put udev there, yes
[00:29]  * BUGabundo stabs exail
[00:30] <penguin42> BUGabundo: What's it done to you?
[00:31] <BUGabundo> penguin42: its their highest bug
[00:31] <BUGabundo> still unfixed
[00:31] <penguin42> BUGabundo: which one?
[00:31] <BUGabundo> very hard to fix...
[00:31] <BUGabundo> gtk popup
[00:32] <penguin42> ?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> don't have it from head
[00:32] <penguin42> what's the symptom?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> !g exaile bug critical gtk popup
[00:32] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=scrollbar
[00:32]  * penguin42 has been helping nail the memory leak in exaile
[00:32] <BUGabundo> penguin42: ask recon :)
[00:32] <BUGabundo> he knows all about it
[00:32] <penguin42> hey exaile is working OK for me
[00:32] <BUGabundo> even mentioning it, makes him go balistic
[00:33] <BUGabundo> oh it works sure
[00:33] <BUGabundo> but on N track changes, you get a popup
[00:33]  * penguin42 doesn't - but there again I'm running the version from bzr
[00:34] <BUGabundo> me too
[00:34] <BUGabundo> trunk
[00:34] <BUGabundo> have too.
[00:34] <BUGabundo> found a bug and helped fixed it last weekend
[00:34] <penguin42> what does the popup say?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> with recusive list
[00:35] <BUGabundo> penguin42: next time it pops up
[00:38] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I mean I've had it playing for at least 2-3 hours today in a straight run wuth no dialogs
[00:38] <BUGabundo> let me ask in #exaile
[00:38] <penguin42> :Q
[00:38]  * BUGabundo suits armor
[00:39] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Hmm, how often do you get it would you say (in songs) and are you 32 or 64bit?
[00:39] <BUGabundo> 64bits
[00:40] <penguin42> hmm not that then
[00:41] <BUGabundo> can't find the darn thing in ppa
[00:41] <BUGabundo> *LP
[00:41]  * BUGabundo hates LP search
[00:41]  * BUGabundo hits google
[00:44] <BUGabundo> penguin42: "Failed to parse stream"
[00:44] <penguin42> BUGabundo: That sounds like you have a bad file in your library, or one for a format it doesn't understand
[00:44] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/349328/
[00:57]  * BUGabundo picks a band haid and patchs kmail 
[00:57] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:58] <penguin42> is kmail still as buggy as always?
[00:58] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:59] <BUGabundo> just got a crash while deleting a thread
[00:59] <BUGabundo> I HOPE that darn bug is fixed for good
[00:59] <BUGabundo> and that his was just a fluke
[01:09] <yofel> BUGabundo: wow, you can actually use it?
[01:09] <BUGabundo> yep
[01:09] <BUGabundo> not sure if you mean kmail
[01:09] <BUGabundo> or n2n
[01:09] <BUGabundo> but YES on both counts
[01:09] <yofel> when I  start kmail it first starts fine, then the akonadi error log shows up, and when I close that kmail crashes
[01:17] <flootenkerp> Hi, I was told today about an ubuntu upgrade past 9.10 which is 10.4 called lucid, and I was wondering if anyone here who used it would be able to tell me if it is any good or not
[01:17] <BUGabundo> flootenkerp: good what?
[01:17] <BUGabundo> as in Stable?
[01:17] <BUGabundo> NO
[01:18] <flootenkerp> oh, ok. So it lags and is very buggy?
[01:18] <BUGabundo> not much
[01:18] <BUGabundo> but if you need it in production
[01:18] <BUGabundo> then don't use it
[01:20] <flootenkerp> Nah, I just use my computer for average things like surfing the web and programs etc. Is there anyway I can directly upgrade from 9.04 without losing all my files? I wanna test it out
[01:20] <flootenkerp> And if there is, is there a way I can downgrade back to 9.04 if it turns out I don't like it?
[01:21] <flootenkerp> Keeping my files, that is
[01:21] <penguin42> downgrading is very hard
[01:21] <penguin42> near enough impossible
[01:21] <BUGabundo> we have TWO wines now ?
[01:22] <flootenkerp> Well, I guess I could use virtualbox ose to test it out
[01:22] <yofel> BUGabundo: wine is the stable version, 1.2 is the 1.1.X  series
[01:22] <BUGabundo> yeah I see
[01:23] <flootenkerp> Which is the iso I should download to test it out on vb ose?
[01:23] <yofel> flootenkerp: the most up-to-date ones are the dailys
[01:23] <yofel> !daily
[01:23] <BUGabundo> daily
[01:23] <flootenkerp> Alright, thanks
[01:23] <yofel> flootenkerp: if that fails you can try the alpha1 one, but that's rather old now
[01:24] <flootenkerp> Alright, thanks for the help guys.
[02:12] <bjsnider> i have constructed a debian package installer for the native 64-bit flash plugin
[02:12] <bjsnider> it seems to work
[02:26] <Ian_Corne> nice bjsnider
[03:21] <flootenkerp> Hi, I have a question. How do I enable extra repositories for 10.04?
[03:40] <Flootenkerp> Hi, back. I'm on ubuntu 10.04 right now, using the iso that allows me to test it, I just want to know how I could get the extra repositories working because I can't install anything from terminal at all
[03:44] <bjsnider> that's not how the livecd works, nor is it the purpose of the livecd
[03:44] <bjsnider> at least that's what i'm assuming you're talking about
[03:46] <Flootenkerp> I assumed the package manager would work on the desktop trial like it did with other versions
[03:47] <bjsnider> trial?
[03:47] <Flootenkerp> not trial, tst it out before installing
[03:47] <Flootenkerp> test*
[03:47] <bjsnider> no, it builds a ramdisk which can't be altered
[03:48] <Flootenkerp> Ah. So if I install it it'll work?
[03:48] <bjsnider> you can test the kernel, the drivers, the sound and video system
[03:48] <bjsnider> that's the real pont, check to make sure your hardware is all working under that kernel
[03:48] <bjsnider> check your printer, wireless, wired lan, graphics and sound
[03:49] <Flootenkerp> Oh. Well everything is fine. Flash seems to be working better then 9.04, but I really wanted to test compiz.
[03:49] <RAOF> bjsnider: You can generally install things, but they won't persist across reboots.
[03:49] <Flootenkerp> I had troubles using compiz with 9.04, took me a while to get it working
[03:49] <bjsnider> RAOF, didn't know that
[03:49] <Flootenkerp> Yeah, how do you think I'm on IRC?
[03:49] <bjsnider> RAOF, only from main though?
[03:49] <Flootenkerp> I need to install a pluging for pjirc :P
[03:50] <RAOF> bjsnider: It's a full system; you could edit /etc/apt/sources.list to your heart's content.
[03:50] <bjsnider> Flootenkerp, what graphics card do you have?
[03:50] <Flootenkerp> Not sure
[03:51] <bjsnider> well you can run lspci from the console and look for the graphics entry
[03:51] <Flootenkerp> When I tried 9.10, which was really buggy for me, compiz worked immediately
[03:51] <Flootenkerp> So I wanted to see how it was on 10.04
[03:52] <bjsnider> RAOF, surely there must be a strict limit on what you can install due to lack of ram
[03:52] <Flootenkerp> So, is there any way to install compiz just for a test?
[03:52] <bjsnider> compiz is already installed i think
[03:53] <bjsnider> you may lack the proper graphics driver though
[03:53] <Flootenkerp> Nah, works fine on 9.04
[03:53] <Flootenkerp> I have the cube, skydome and all.
[03:54] <bjsnider> try enabing desktop effects in preferences/appearance
[03:57] <RAOF> bjsnider: Yeah, you will eventually run out of ram as you install/edit stuff.
[03:59] <Flootenkerp> Well, so far it's been much better then 9.04. Can it download and install all the packages karmic and jaunty can?
[03:59] <bjsnider> look, if you think karmic was buggy, lucid would be exponentially buggier...
[04:00] <bjsnider> what bugs are there in karmic that you think are showstoppers?
[04:00] <Flootenkerp> Really? I haven't noticed anything
[04:00] <Flootenkerp> Well, it was laggy, flickered when opening folders sometimes programs wouldn't open
[04:00] <grantbourque> I had huge bugs in karmic wubi
[04:01] <Flootenkerp> I don't like installing wsith wubi. A disc install is much better.
[04:01] <Flootenkerp> What are some bugs with lucid?
[04:03] <grantbourque> I haven't tried out lucid actually
[04:03] <grantbourque> I'm going to dl it right now
[04:03] <Flootenkerp> Well, lucid looks awesome. I can't wait till' it's stable and ready for its actual release.
[04:06] <Flootenkerp> Hm, well I'll be switching back to my original ubuntu. Later.
[04:35] <yoasif> any smart people around?
[04:35] <yoasif> ;)
[04:51] <bjsnider> libbluray isn't upstream in debian is it?
[06:33] <mMezquitale> !is it out
[06:33] <mMezquitale> is it out?
[10:13] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[10:32] <cwillu_at_work> poke poke
[10:33] <cwillu_at_work> you know, I think I may be spending too much time at work
[11:03] <BUGabundo_work> hey cwillu_at_work
[11:03] <BUGabundo_work> cwillu_at_work: get into a plane, and come party with us
[11:03] <BUGabundo_work> got a good looking girlfriends
[11:03]  * cwillu_at_work considers it
[11:03] <cwillu_at_work> I _did_ just get paid
[11:03] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[11:03] <BUGabundo_work> i got a bonnus
[11:04] <cwillu_at_work> where are you anyway?
[11:04] <BUGabundo_work> ...but thats just because i didnt use my holiday days
[11:05]  * cwillu_at_work has forgotten :p
[11:05]  * BUGabundo_work slaps carrie memory
[11:05] <BUGabundo_work> Portugal
[11:05] <cwillu_at_work> well, then it's just pay that they thought they didn't have to pay you then :p
[11:05] <cwillu_at_work> that's driving distance :p
[11:05] <cwillu_at_work> if I leave yesterday
[11:06] <cwillu_at_work> no, wait :p
[11:06] <BUGabundo_work> :D
[11:06] <BUGabundo_work> glad you can make it
[11:06]  * BUGabundo_work sends sms to reserv another ticket
[11:07] <BUGabundo_work> cwillu_at_work: here is the flyer http://www.portovivo.com/reveillon_vintage_247858.htm
[11:14] <cwillu_at_work> \o/
[11:15] <cwillu_at_work> god I need coffee
[11:16] <cwillu_at_work> Anyways, I think this is where I'm supposed to say "Hey, do you know Laura?  She's from portugal!"
[11:16] <cwillu_at_work> although I think she moved to new zealand anyway
[11:21] <cwillu_at_work> brb, this no coffee thing is killing me
[11:36] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo_work, which one?
[11:37] <BUGabundo_work> !?
 su means switch user; it just happens to switch to user 0 (root) with no arguments
[11:37] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[11:37] <BUGabundo_work> there's something i learned in 2009 :)
[11:37] <cwillu_at_work> oh, never mind, google translate put me onto a different page
[11:39] <cwillu_at_work> ya, people talking about su and sudo and security in general is a common source of rage for me :p
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> i'm not joking
[11:39] <BUGabundo_work> i tough su was "super user"
[11:40] <cwillu_at_work> well, it's not exactly unreasonable :)
[11:55] <mostafa_> how can I create an ISO file from the local hard disk files?
[15:20] <bjsnider> BUGabundo_work, r u on amd64 sir?
[15:22] <\vish> !schedule
[15:31] <BUGabundo_work> bjsnider: YES sir
[15:33]  * \vish what all the "formality" is about ;)
[15:34] <\vish> wonders*
[15:38] <bjsnider> BUGabundo_work, i managed to phony up a package that installs the flash 10 alpha plugin last night
[15:38] <bjsnider> based on the one in the repos that installs the 32-bit plugin with nspluginwrapper
[15:39] <bjsnider> it needs testing. it works here
[15:44] <BUGabundo_work> well i wont be home until tomorrow night :)
[15:44] <bjsnider> cool
[15:44] <BUGabundo_work> i already have flash 64bits .so for Chromium and FF
[15:47] <bjsnider> what this thing does, it downloads the plugin, hash checks it, unpacks it, puts it in a /usr/share directory and then links every browser plugins directory to it through alternatives
[15:47] <bjsnider> and also all of that will be undone if you remove it, so you don't have to do that manually anymore
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> cool
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> ask for a merge D
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> talk to asac
[15:51] <BluesKaj> chromium-browser was failing to load several sites that I rely  on , so i switched to chrome-beta..problem solved
[15:52] <bjsnider> which sits?
[15:52] <bjsnider> sites
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> i just sent them our chat log :D
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work>  #ubuntu-mozillateam
[15:52] <BluesKaj> my igoogle page for one
[15:52] <bjsnider> uhh
[15:52] <bjsnider> i didn't want to go that far
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> oh cool, webchat autocompletes #s :D
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> BluesKaj: daily here, working fine
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> well not daily, two days ago or somethng
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> forgot to upgrade today
[15:54] <BluesKaj> chrome beta isn't much different , just better for me
[15:57] <duffydack> Scale plugin fail.  It cant switch to an app thats on a desktop thats above/below
[16:04] <BUGabundo_work> duffydack: talk to Amaranth
[16:04] <Amaranth> eh?
[16:07] <mac_v> Amaranth: hi... ! how does alacarte manage to show icons on buttons even with the default gnome settings? [no icons on buttons]
[16:07] <mac_v> what flag does it use?
[16:08] <Amaranth> mac_v: each button is setup to contain a custom widget then I stick an hbox in with an image and a label
[16:08] <duffydack> its a limitation in karmic as well...   I have 4 horizontal and 2 vertical, using scale plugin to see all apps running and selecting 1 from thats not on the same horizontal set, it cant..
[16:08] <Amaranth> mac_v: that's not the proper way though
[16:09] <mac_v> Amaranth: ah.. so you kinda hacked it... cool :)
[16:09] <Amaranth> mac_v: that's just how glade forced me to do it long ago
[16:11] <mac_v> ;)
[16:25] <natewiebe13> I'm using the ubuntu-desktop ppa with the updated gtk2.0+ and nautilus. for some reason the file browser will not browse through the filesystem (go into a different folder) if i use sudo, it works fine. file browsing through programs works fine.. anyone else experiencing the same problem?
[16:28] <BUGabundo_work> and me thinking running +1 was crazy enough
[16:28] <BUGabundo_work> and ppl run +1  plus PPA :)
[16:29] <natewiebe13> :P
[16:29] <natewiebe13> yeah.. im thinking i will have to revert
[16:34] <BUGabundo_work> by guys. see you tomorrow. enjoy your party. i know i will
[16:34] <Ian_Corne> cya BUGabundo_work
[16:34] <Ian_Corne>  you too :)
[16:34] <yofel> hi and bye BUGabundo_work :P
[16:47] <CarlFK> just installed daily, won't boot into X - the display is switching video modes, I see flashes of text mode text that look like a login prompt and a one line error
[16:48] <CarlFK> my goal is to see if a gtk bug has been fixed, but I'll dig into this problem if someone will give me some guidance
[16:56] <penguin42> CarlFK: See if there is anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:58] <CarlFK> penguin42: keyboard doesn't seem to be responding - capslock doesn't toggle the light
[16:59] <penguin42> will ctrl-alt-f2 get you a login prompt?
[16:59] <CarlFK> guessing I need to reboot into text and walk though the boot scripts
[16:59] <CarlFK> c-a-f2 - nothign
[16:59] <CarlFK> display still flipping through video modes
[16:59] <penguin42> reboot into text mode and see if there is anything useful left in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or any of the other logs
[17:01] <CarlFK> what's the trick to getting the grub menu?
[17:02] <penguin42> shift
[17:02] <penguin42> just after the bios - keep tapping the shift key
[17:05] <CarlFK> woa... so I picked rescue, got the Recovery Menu, but the keyboard is .. whacked. capslock=nothing, but arrow keys put chars on the screen at the menu cursor overwriting the "Rescue..." text
[17:05] <CarlFK> c-a-f2 = blank screen
[17:06] <penguin42> hmm, work through ctrl-alt-f1...f10 see which one is most useful
[17:06] <CarlFK> oh weird - holding down down-arrow, more garbled chars then cursor moved down
[17:06] <CarlFK> at a # prompt now
[17:07] <penguin42> ok, so I'd look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:09] <CarlFK> this is like some april-fools prank....
[17:10] <CarlFK> I type "cat" and see "c", hit enter, see "cat: command not found"
[17:10] <CarlFK> did it again...
[17:10] <CarlFK> I type "cat" and see "c", hit enter, see "cGarbled time"
[17:10] <penguin42> try a rescue disk
[17:11] <CarlFK> good plan
[17:11] <CarlFK> c-a-d works
[17:19] <CarlFK> bingo: [    0.180193] (==) NV(0): DPMS enabled; Backtrace: ... 2: /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x7f67c58fa000+0xf190) [0x7f67c5909190]; Segmentation fault at address (nil)  http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/a/Xorg.0.log
[17:21]  * penguin42 doesn't know much about the nvidia
[17:22] <CarlFK> Ill talk to the #xorg
[17:38] <dabaR> I installed flashplugin package, but my Fx does not recognize it.
[17:39] <dabaR> Wasn't there a sym link we used to have to do in one of the first versions of Ubuntu? Maybe that is missing
[17:41] <penguin42> dabaR: In your ~/.mozilla/firefox/funnyname there is a file called pluginreg.dat - quit firefox, delete the pluginreg.dat and restart - see if it fixes it
[17:41] <dabaR> tx
[17:42] <dabaR> brb
[18:00] <CarlFK> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[18:00] <CarlFK> booted live cd, im trying to apt-get install into the system mounted under /media/sda1
[18:01] <penguin42> 64bit v 32bit ?
[18:01] <CarlFK> ah, yep.
[18:01] <CarlFK> thanks
[18:02] <CarlFK> any easy way around this? (other than booting a 64 bit live
[18:03] <penguin42> not easily, you can't run 64bit binaries on a  32bit kernel
[18:04] <CarlFK> oh, and apt-get will .. um.. yeah
[18:04] <CarlFK> bash is just the first problem
[18:10] <dabaR> penguin42: nope, deleting that pluginreg did not help
[18:11] <penguin42> dabaR: Are you 32 or 64 bit?
[18:18] <dabaR> 32
[18:19] <penguin42> hmm that should be the easy one
[18:20] <dabaR> for sure:)
[18:20] <dabaR> penguin42: Ah!
[18:20] <dabaR> Heh
[18:20] <dabaR> I remember I have another fx window open in another workspace
[18:21] <penguin42> ah
[18:21] <penguin42> kill it, kill them all....
[18:21] <dabaR> works just fine
[18:21] <dabaR> thanks
[18:48] <bjsnider> CarlFK, if you're using the nv driver you'll inevitably have issues
[19:20] <jetsaredim> question: went to try out empathy on the lucid livecd and there doesn't seem to be any option for setting up irc accounts
[19:20] <jetsaredim> am i missing something?
[19:24] <geser> telepathy-idle is installed?
[19:26] <jetsaredim> geser: you talking to me?
[19:26] <geser> yes
[19:27] <jetsaredim> o - in that case - yes it is
[19:27] <jetsaredim> 0.1.5-1
[19:28] <geser> then I've no idea
[19:34] <jetsaredim> just seemed odd in that irc is the main support channel (other than launchpad) and empathy seems to have poor irc support
[19:54] <sal_> jetsaredim, i still on xchat
[19:55] <jetsaredim> sal_: i've had to install pidgin on 9.10 to get around empathy
[20:03] <drabina> What is policy about ppa repos related to kde (kubuntu 10.04 LTS edition). If I enable ppa repo (deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu karmic main), does it mean I will get updates based on kde  for 4.4.x (let say bug fix updates) or latest version of kde in general (for instance 4.6.x after two years)?
[20:08] <jetsaredim> i don't see what having a karmic ppa repo enabled would do for you
[20:08] <jetsaredim> if you are using lucid
[20:08] <drabina> oh. karmik is just an example
[20:09] <bjsnider> drabina, it's a question for whomever owns the ppa
[20:09] <bjsnider> only they know what they'll be putting in there
[20:09] <yoasif> does anyone have any idea why istanbul recommends installation of cvs and cvsnt?
[20:12] <bjsnider> at first i thought you were talking about the largest city in turkey
[20:13] <drabina> Ok. so maybe in other way.. Let say, lucid would be based on gnome 2.30, does it mean I need to enable ppa lucid main for gnome 2.30.x bugfix releases?
[20:13] <yoasif> bjsnider, haha
[20:13] <bjsnider> i can't figure out why a turkish city recommends ubuntu packages...
[20:13] <geser> yoasif: "aptitude why istanbul cvs" -> istanbul depends on gettext which recomments cvs
[20:14] <yoasif> geser, ha, any particular reason that it depends on gettext? pretty odd requirement, it seems
[20:14] <yoasif> maybe i'm wrong
[20:15] <geser> drabina: some selected gnome bugfix release will probably get uploaded to -updates as SRUs
[20:15] <geser> yoasif: I didn't look in detail yet
[20:16] <yoasif> geser, no prob :)
[20:27] <drabina> geser: I have these questions, beacuse I'm really confused. I haven't found informations about what will/won't be included as standard package updates for lucid.
[20:30] <geser> drabina: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[20:30] <bjsnider> lucid might be different because of the lts factor
[20:31] <drabina> geser: ok, thanx!
[20:31] <bjsnider> did they add new versions of gnome and kde to hardy over the past couple of years?
[20:32] <alex_mayorga> Can anyone on lucid 64 bit do tracert commands?
[20:32] <genii> bjsnider: Well, hardy was the big kde3-kde4 shift
[20:34] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Oddly, it didn't seem to be installed by default, but having installed it, it seems to work
[20:34] <bjsnider> but hardy does not currently have packages for gnome 3.38 does it?
[20:34] <bjsnider> 2.28 i mean
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: I installed like "sudo aptitude install traceroute" yet when I invoke tracert I get the suggestion to install
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> weird
[20:35] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: traceroute not tracert
[20:36] <alex_mayorga> then this error message is buggy I guess "$ tracert
[20:36] <alex_mayorga> The program 'tracert' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[20:36] <alex_mayorga> sudo apt-get install traceroute
[20:36] <alex_mayorga> tracert: command not found"
[20:36] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: That's because it's not tracert
[20:37] <penguin42> oh I see what you mean
[20:37] <genii> !info gnome hardy
[20:37] <alex_mayorga> !info tracert
[20:37] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Yeh that looks like the error is wrong - I'm not sure where that comes from
[20:38] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: I'm pretty sure tracert existed back in the day
[20:38] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Hmm, never seen it on unix, it's the windows name for the same thing
[20:39] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Ooh, you're right, on my karmic box it's there, it's a link
[20:39] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: But I can't figure out what put it there
[20:48] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: thanks on confirming I'm not crazy
[20:48] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Well I can't go that far :-)
[20:50] <alex_mayorga> :)
[20:50] <alex_mayorga> I'll chase it when I come back from lunch :D
[23:27]  * penguin42 yawns