[01:31] <Troutfool1> quit
[01:31] <Troutfool1> bye
[02:43] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: you can join this now: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bugsquad
[02:44] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  reading..
[02:46] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  I followed all the steps.  I guess in order to join I just need to contact my mentor?
[02:47] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: that team, there are no restrictions
[02:48] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  so just email the mailing list and request to join?
[02:48] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: that's for bug control
[02:49] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: the link I gave you was for bugsquad
[02:49] <micahg> which basically is you're helping out with bugs
[02:49] <micahg> no strings attached
[02:49] <micahg> there's another group for mentoring
[02:49] <micahg> and another group for bugcontrol
[02:50] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  okay.. joined..
[02:50] <dogatemycomputer> micahg: "You have successfully joined Ubuntu BugSquad."
[02:51] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: great, that flags you as bugsquad for people with the greasemonkey extension
[02:51] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  now I can officially screw up bug reports :-)
[02:52] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  hehehehe..  thank you for your help!   sorry for screwing up that bug report and thanks for getting it fixed.
[02:52] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: no, now we know that you're trying to triage and we know you want help :)
[02:53] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  I did have one question that I cannot find anywhere in the documentation... How do you tell the difference between a bug and a support request?
[02:53] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: no easy way
[02:54] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: bug is program is doing something it shouldn't/needs to do something (wishlist)
[02:54] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: support request is how to use this feature in a program
[02:54] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  I was hoping that particular topic was covered somewhere.   I was trying to help someone in a bug report a while back (can't remember where) and someone came along and said something not-so-nice about clogging up his mailing list with a support question but it was not clear to me that it was actually a support question or trying to isolate a possible bug.
[02:55] <dogatemycomputer> micahg: well..  I guess that is something I will learn as I go..
[02:56] <dogatemycomputer> micahg:  okay.. the wife is screaming about the cat got out.. i have to go.   thank you for all your help!
[02:56] <micahg> dogatemycomputer: np, come back with any questions any time
[03:59] <cyan-spam> hi all. i'm working on some cleanups for <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage>, and i have a question about the package for sound bugs. does anyone know what the right procedure is? the wiki is confusing about whether it should be linux or alsa-base
[04:00] <micahg> cyan-spam: hmm
[04:01] <micahg> cyan-spam: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[04:02] <cyan-spam> micahg: yeah, skimmed that too. at the top it says linux but later it says alsa-base!
[04:02] <cyan-spam> maybe just follow "In other words, if in doubt, the bug should be filed against linux and have the ubuntu-audio team subscribed to the bug report." as a default case?
[04:02] <micahg> cyan-spam: alsa-base collects the proper info about the sound system, but the bug should be assigned to linux
[04:03] <cyan-spam> micahg: hmm. so what does that mean :)
[04:04] <micahg> cyan-spam: top of that page says where to assign
[04:04] <cyan-spam> maybe we need an audio symptom like storage
[04:04] <micahg> micahg: if info is needed to collect, apport-collect -p alsa-base BUGNUMBER
[04:04] <micahg> cyan-spam: maybe
[04:06] <cyan-spam> micahg: so you think alsa-base? i think i agree, though that goes against the words in bold italic
[04:06] <micahg> cyan-spam: no, linux
[04:06] <cyan-spam> micahg: oh, ok
[04:07] <micahg> cyan-spam: if info is needed, use alsa-base for collect
[04:07] <micahg> but the package is linux unless the conditions at the top of the wiki page are met
[04:07] <cyan-spam> micahg: ah. so a reporter should use ubuntu-bug alsa-base, but then manually assign to linux?
[04:09] <micahg> cyan-spam: a reporter shouldn't move it, the triager should based on the top of the wiki pafe
[04:09] <micahg> *page
[04:10] <cyan-spam> micahg: oh this is confusing. :) the wiki page is used both for reporting and triaging so i'm trying to bias it a bit towards reporters (since probably triagers will need less hand-holding)
[04:10] <cyan-spam> and don't worry, i'll send a draft on the mailing list before i submit the changes
[04:12] <micahg> cyan-spam: that's probably why there's no header for Notes for triagers
[04:12] <cyan-spam> micahg: sorry?
[04:12] <micahg> the user should just use ubuntu-bug alsa-base and wait for someone to handle it
[04:13] <cyan-spam> micahg: ok, i'm down with that. thank you!
[04:14] <micahg> cyan-spam: np
[05:01] <cyan-spam> ok. i have sent my draft out on the mailing list. if any of you can check it out, i would really appreciate it. :)
[05:05] <micahg> hmm
[05:05] <micahg> reminds me
[05:05] <micahg> I should edit the Firefox section :)
[05:05] <cyan-spam> hehe
[05:06] <micahg> fixed
[05:11] <cyan-spam> alright i'm out for the night. see ya'll.
[05:41] <micahg> mr_pouit: around?
[05:44] <micahg> mr_pouit: bug 494360 works fine with Human icon set, has an issue with Elementary Xubuntu icon set, but I guess that can be a different bug...so I guess SRU can go through
[05:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 494360 in xfce4-power-manager "battery notification lacks an icon in karmic/lucid" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494360
[05:53] <TheEpitome> anyone having the flash video flicker issue that got introduced in karmic?
[05:53] <TheEpitome> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/484976
[05:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484976 in firefox-3.5 "Flickering on sites with Flash video + Flash buttons" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:55] <micahg> TheEpitome: well, flash isn't the only thing, it could be X
[05:56] <TheEpitome> good point
[05:57] <TheEpitome> maybe i will check the xorg bug lists...
[05:57] <micahg> TheEpitome: can you try some of these things: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Other#Problem%20manifests%20itself%20during%20video%20playback
[05:57] <Jordan_U> TheEpitome: Can you try flash in Opera since another commenter says there is no flickering there?
[05:57] <TheEpitome> ok i will check that now
[06:15] <TheEpitome> Interesting, it does not happen in opera, i wonder if it even uses the same plugin...
[06:23] <TheEpitome> Jordan_U: Firefox reports its flash plugin is npwrapper.libflashplayer.so while opera reports it as /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[06:23] <TheEpitome> i assume they are the same but i'm not sure how the npwrapper works to find out
[06:25] <Jordan_U> TheEpitome: nspluginwrapper allows you to use 32 bit plugins from 64 bit firefox
[06:25] <TheEpitome> ok i was wondering if ubuntu was gonna go that route a couple years ago
[06:26] <Jordan_U> TheEpitome: There is also a beta 64 bit flash plugin available
[06:26] <Jordan_U> TheEpitome: But since this also happens in 32 bit I'm not sure if any of that is relevant
[06:28] <TheEpitome> i dont have any direct evidence of this but it "feels" like its the web rendering engine that is not taking the various flash elements on the page and letting them work together properly.  it is not an issue if there is only one flash element, such as a full screen video
[10:00] <synthercat> Hellow and have an awsome 2010 all!
[10:02] <synthercat> May I address an issue I am having here? Since upgrating to 9.04 AND then later 9.10 ubuntu grub and ubuntu do not seem to "see" my windows hard disk (it shows as empty)
[10:04] <synthercat> I was able to tweak a bit with the 9.04 grub and make it load at least (but it was still not visible once ubuntu was loaded) 9.10 seems to run on a different grub setup and... I can't work it out.
[21:49] <micahg> hi mr_pouit
[23:01] <MTecknology> If you guys want to have a little fun for newyears; there's ##ubuntu-newyears