[02:04] <nigel_nb> Rocket2DMn: you around? have a doubt
[02:05] <Rocket2DMn> yo
[02:05] <nigel_nb> yesterday when triaging bugs, I came across an installation docs bug
[02:05] <nigel_nb> for karmic
[02:05] <Rocket2DMn> link/number?
[02:05] <nigel_nb> the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/installation-guide/+bug/501575
[02:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 501575 in installation-guide "link to 9.04 where 9.10 is more appropriate" [Undecided,New]
[02:05] <nigel_nb> I checked the source
[02:06] <nigel_nb> apparently, when the xml got changed to html, it was done on jaunty and so its jaunty everywhere instead of karmic
[02:06] <nigel_nb> thats just my guess, not really sure
[02:07] <nigel_nb> bug 501572 is also similar - jaunty instead of karmic
[02:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 501572 in installation-guide "href link to jaunty where karmic is best suited" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501572
[02:10] <Rocket2DMn> hmm
[02:10] <nigel_nb> can you fix it?
[02:11] <nigel_nb> it seems to be part of the wiki that's locked
[02:11] <Rocket2DMn> it's not on the wiki
[02:11] <Rocket2DMn> /community indicates the wiki
[02:11] <nigel_nb> oh, its just on the same domain
[02:11] <nigel_nb> but not part of wiki
[02:12] <Rocket2DMn> right
[02:13] <nigel_nb> so its not fixable? :(
[02:14] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not really clear on how the installation-guide stuff works, there was talk of writing something new for Karmic, but it looks like what we have is a modified version from Debian upstream
[02:14] <nigel_nb> hold on, I'll show you how the source looks, I branched it off yday
[02:17] <nigel_nb> Rocket2DMn: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/installation-guide/karmic/annotate/head%3A/en/install-methods/downloading-files.xml
[02:18] <nigel_nb> thats off the install docs branch
[02:20] <Rocket2DMn> i branched the source from lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/installation-guide/ubuntu
[02:21] <Rocket2DMn> well, it clearly is wrong, but there isnt anything i can directly do about it
[02:22] <nigel_nb> oh :(
[02:22] <nigel_nb> is it possible to submit a diff or something like that?
[02:22] <Rocket2DMn> i think you need to talk to cjwatson
[02:22] <nigel_nb> will he be around this time?
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> im not sure if he ever hangs out in here, you might try -devel or -bugs
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> are you in bugcontrol?
[02:23] <nigel_nb> bug squad
[02:23] <Rocket2DMn> ok, well you can mark duplicates and confirm bugs
[02:23] <nigel_nb> yep
[02:24] <Rocket2DMn> it looks like the installation-guide is pretty neglected though
[02:24] <nigel_nb> yep
[02:24] <nigel_nb> I was hoping to do a thorough review of all the bugs and get it corrected :)
[02:25] <Rocket2DMn> sounds good, i would contact the maintainer first though to see if it is still actively developed, or if they plan to drop it
[02:25] <nigel_nb> I thought it was part of the doc team :(
[02:26] <Rocket2DMn> naw, it's not a branch we have access to
[02:26] <Rocket2DMn> that would make sense though :)
[02:26] <nigel_nb> yea, since doc team are the people who have the best chance and time to correct it
[02:27] <Rocket2DMn> i wouldnt go so far as to say that, but it would seem to be in our realm of work
[02:27] <nigel_nb> :)
[02:27] <Rocket2DMn> if you want to post patches for ubuntu-docs bugs, that would be great though :)
[02:27] <Rocket2DMn> we have a lot of outstanding bugs
[02:27] <nigel_nb> oh
[02:27] <nigel_nb> I'd love to
[02:27] <nigel_nb> I'm part of doc team anyway
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs
[02:28] <nigel_nb> yelp?
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> i've applied importance to most of them
[02:28] <nigel_nb> or xml format/
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> yelp is just the program that the docs are viewed in, they are written in docbook xml
[02:28] <nigel_nb> ah
[02:28] <Rocket2DMn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation
[02:28] <nigel_nb> can you walk me through the whole patching writing process?
[02:29] <nigel_nb> is it the same as for a deb?
[02:29] <Rocket2DMn> do yo uknow how to download a bzr branch?
[02:29] <nigel_nb> yep
[02:29] <Rocket2DMn> bzr branch lp:~some-branch right
[02:29] <Rocket2DMn> that is most of the work :)
[02:29] <Rocket2DMn> you can make edits to the files, then post diffs
[02:30] <Rocket2DMn> so for instance, bzr branch lp:ubuntu-docs
[02:30] <Rocket2DMn> gets you the development branch
[02:30] <nigel_nb> the trunk..
[02:30] <Rocket2DMn> the wiki link i posted about basicaly shows yo ueverything you need
[02:30] <Rocket2DMn> yes, essentially the trunk
[02:31] <Rocket2DMn> you can't push to it, but you can post diffs as patches in bugs
[02:31] <Rocket2DMn> walk through the Repository, Edition, Checking, and Submitting pages on the wiki link above
[02:31] <nigel_nb> okay :)
[02:31] <Rocket2DMn> basically after you make a change, you run (from the root of the branch): scripts/validate.sh document/C/document.xml
[02:32] <Rocket2DMn> let me just point out that some C/ folders have multiple files, but you always run that scripts against the xml file with the name of the super-super directory
[02:32] <Rocket2DMn> so for example, if you edit the web-servers.xml file in serverguide/C/
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> you still run scripts/validate.sh serverguide/C/serverguide.xml
[02:33] <nigel_nb> ah
[02:33] <nigel_nb> so I need to validate everything I edit
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> you can view the changes in yelp to make sure the formatting looks good and it reads well
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> yes
[02:33] <Rocket2DMn> when you're finished, you run something like: bzr diff > ~/my-fix.patch
[02:34] <Rocket2DMn> then attach my-fix.patch to the appropriate bug report
[02:34] <Rocket2DMn> you can assign bug reports to yourself while you work on them, too
[02:37] <nigel_nb> Rocket2DMn: great :), will try fixing a few today :)
[02:38] <Rocket2DMn> awesome nigel_nb , i will review your patches when i get a chance
[02:38] <nigel_nb> :)
[02:38] <Rocket2DMn> thanks for helping out
[02:38] <nigel_nb> no problem, thanks for your time :)
[15:32] <Traveler5> anybody here?
[15:35] <Traveler5> I have question about the Ubuntu Documentation team
[18:03] <starcraftman> darn, missed the question from traveler
[21:14] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: question, I'm dealing with deletion cue. One of pages, forum/talk, I'm not sure how to find where it's linked to. Doing a linkto: search doesn't work cuz its so generic a name.
[21:16]  * Rocket2DMn looks
[21:17] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: what happens to the pages that have the tag not supported, do they get marked for deletion as well
[21:17] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: well depends. If they are relevant to today, they could be updated.
[21:17] <Rocket2DMn> it's not too generic, it links oyu back to the Deletion page which is the only page that links to it
[21:17] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: alright thanks :D
[21:17] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: ah, ok.
[21:18] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: if it's not relevent then yes, ya can tag it for deletion.
[21:18] <Rocket2DMn> there are actually a number of forum/ pages
[21:18] <dhillon-v10> dhillon-v10: alright just looking at that :) deleting pages is easy right, you just press delete
[21:19] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: on the community wiki? No, you need admin rights, and pages need delinking.
[21:19] <Rocket2DMn> starcraftman, a lot of those forum/ pages can probably be deleted and/or have material moved to appropriate pages
[21:19] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: oh I know that
[21:20] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: ya it does seem there are a lot, I just did a quick search for forum. cue first.
[21:21] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: hey can you help me a little with packaging, I have a debdiff but I don't know if it looks right
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> dhillon-v10, idk anything about packaging, sorry man
[21:22] <Rocket2DMn> i'd like to learn but cant seem to find the time
[21:22] <dhillon-v10> Rocket2DMn: alright :) thanks anyways
[21:23] <starcraftman> dhillon-v10: you may wanna try #ubuntu-beginners-dev
[21:36] <dhillon-v10> starcraftman: oh yah that too :)
[21:41] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: hehe, feels good deleting stuff. Does fill up recent changes quick.
[21:42] <Rocket2DMn> lol starcraftman , yeah, that's ok though, the wiki needs attention
[21:43] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: rgr, btw, question, know when first bt meeting is in Jan? I'm thinking of having a doc team meeting weekend after.
[21:43] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not sure, I was just thinking about when our next team meeting was
[21:43] <Rocket2DMn> afaik it hasn't been scheduled, normally it would be next Tuesday
[21:44] <starcraftman> right, that's what I thought, we usually meet first and third weeks no?
[21:44] <starcraftman> I'll ask bodhi or nhandler later, they do scheduling.
[21:49] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: what's the Package Pages option under more actions?
[21:49] <Rocket2DMn> I have no idea
[21:50] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: there a complete documentation on all these buttons? I'm afraid to click some things now that I'm admin ><
[21:50] <starcraftman> buttons > options
[21:51] <Rocket2DMn> whatever you do can be undone
[21:52] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: oh that's reassuring :p
[21:53] <Rocket2DMn> hehe
[21:58] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: oh geez, deleting pdf printer page. I remember when we still had to set that up annoyingly. Nice.
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> lol those were the days
[21:59] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: it's got a redirect on it, I have to delete redirects then the page right? Or is it automatic?
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> you need to delete any pages that redirect to it
[22:00] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: right, like I thought.
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> I wish there was a way to have it tell you if pages redirect to a page, even if you didnt take that redirect to get there
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> there might be a way, but idk what it is
[22:02] <starcraftman> hmmm, should be a way. Can ya search for the #redirect page markup?
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> im not sure
[22:04] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: this channel too quiet. This'd be perfect oppurtunity for someone to go "actually just do x, it's easy"
[22:06] <Rocket2DMn> indeed, but it's not a busy channel, so here we are
[22:07] <Rocket2DMn> I'm just trying to knock out a couple of bugs here before dinner
[22:09] <Rocket2DMn> starting SRU on a few bugs, though they will probably be rejected
[22:11] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: sounds good, I finished my gnomebaker page and made some other edits to others before doing admin. Overall pretty productive. Getting some chinese takeout for family tonight, nice reward :)
[22:12] <Rocket2DMn> awesome
[22:13] <Rocket2DMn> I haven't figured out what I'm doing for dinner yet, might go to my buddy's place and pick up a burrito on the way
[22:44] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: nifty, an ad for broadband in South Africa on docs.
[22:46] <Rocket2DMn> lol
[22:46] <Rocket2DMn> wiki page?
[22:46] <starcraftman> aye
[22:48] <Rocket2DMn> easy to remove
[22:48] <starcraftman> oh indeed, just amused.
[22:51] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: happy new year, later
[22:53] <Rocket2DMn> peace starcraftman