| asac | what is n2n? | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| BUGabundo | ntop.com | 00:05 |
| asac | you can add tun to /etc/modules to ensure its loaded | 00:05 |
| BUGabundo | asac: #ubuntu+1 is tunnign on it | 00:06 |
| BUGabundo | modprobing tun fixes | 00:07 |
| BUGabundo | it | 00:07 |
| BUGabundo | seems lucid stop modprobing tun 2 weeks ago | 00:07 |
| BUGabundo | now we are trying to target a few more tests :\ | 00:07 |
| asac | check older kernel | 00:09 |
| asac | maybe tun was not a module before | 00:09 |
| fta | hm, java is not working out of the box in chromium, seems like a symlink is needed | 00:10 |
| fta | weird | 00:11 |
| BUGabundo | fta: was fine one week ago | 00:11 |
| BUGabundo | when I tested | 00:11 |
| fta | can't get my dynamic stock charts | 00:12 |
| asac | fta: where does chromium look for plugins? | 00:14 |
| asac | mozilla/plugins? | 00:14 |
| asac | or also xulrunner-addons/plugins? | 00:15 |
| fta | it's a bit late to buy stock though, last quotation day of the year | 00:15 |
| fta | i should probably wait | 00:15 |
| asac | tomrrow trading for half a day in the US afaik | 00:16 |
| fta | yep | 00:17 |
| * asac still hopes for a new bank collapse :) | 00:18 | |
| asac | but i think that is over for now | 00:18 |
| BUGabundo | (12:18:38 AM) seg|ars: the new backend is uncrashable | 00:19 |
| BUGabundo | (12:19:03 AM) seg|ars: no seriously, in the next major version the backend is significantly more stable | 00:19 |
| BUGabundo | fta: ^^^^^^^^^ (gwibber) | 00:19 |
| asac | problem is that housing prices only got boosted here in hamburg during this whole crisis ... i hoped i could buy a cheap flat ;) | 00:19 |
| BUGabundo | (12:04:51 AM) seg|ars: yeah, trunk has been quiet because of this rewrite | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | (12:04:59 AM) seg|ars: I haven't even pushed it to a branch yet. It's not quite usable at the moment | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | (12:05:35 AM) seg|ars: I'm working on it full-time this week | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | asac: boosted? here they drop like rocks | 00:20 |
| asac | yeah | 00:20 |
| asac | here they doubled ;) | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | WOUTCH | 00:20 |
| fta | here too | 00:20 |
| asac | seems everyone wanted a safe investment | 00:20 |
| asac | and moved their money from spain etc. to hamburg downtown :) | 00:20 |
| asac | really a pity | 00:21 |
| asac | i hoped sooo much ;) | 00:21 |
| fta | current prices are not worth it, far from it | 00:21 |
| asac | qwll. in paris that might be true | 00:21 |
| asac | but german city prices were really undervalued before compared to other european countries ... so i dont see them falling agian | 00:22 |
| asac | :( | 00:22 |
| asac | maybe if interest doubles | 00:22 |
| asac | but that would kill spain etc. even more i guess :) | 00:22 |
| asac | so i dont see that happening either | 00:22 |
| BUGabundo | (12:20:01 AM) seg|ars: it uses a model similar to chrome. All of the message retrieval and processing operations are performed in separate processes | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | (12:20:15 AM) seg|ars: if any of those processes fail, even if they suffer a segmentation fault, the daemon just keeps on running | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | (12:21:36 AM) seg|ars: the process pool is created at the beginning of a refresh cycle and destroyed at the end | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | (12:21:43 AM) seg|ars: so it also completely insulates the backend against memory leaks | 00:23 |
| asac | thats n2n? | 00:23 |
| asac | whats the benefit of a peer-to-peer vpn ;) | 00:23 |
| asac | for isolated countries> | 00:23 |
| asac | ? | 00:23 |
| asac | building bridges? | 00:24 |
| asac | or just easy to setup? | 00:26 |
| fta | seems that's gwibber | 00:26 |
| BUGabundo | asac: that's gwibber | 00:27 |
| asac | heh | 00:27 |
| BUGabundo | from segphault | 00:27 |
| fta | which has been dead for weeks/months | 00:27 |
| asac | yeah | 00:27 |
| BUGabundo | in #statusnet | 00:27 |
| BUGabundo | why do you think I'm cc you ? | 00:27 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 00:27 |
| asac | i had no time to talk about that at UDS unfortuantely | 00:27 |
| asac | i tried to prevent such things to happen | 00:27 |
| fta | i would love more controls in gwibber, to depend less on the web interface | 00:27 |
| asac | i didnt recognize his nick :) | 00:28 |
| asac | but more controls doesnt happen by making a multi-process backend framework | 00:28 |
| fta | asac, prevent which things to happen? | 00:28 |
| BUGabundo | fta: for it to stale | 00:29 |
| asac | that they put so much work into making a super scalable multi-process bakcend | 00:29 |
| fta | sure, multi-process for gwibber seems weird to me | 00:29 |
| asac | its a big misunderstanding. they didnt know how to do it right | 00:29 |
| BUGabundo | do you want me to tell that to segphault ? | 00:29 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 00:29 |
| asac | thats why they think it helps to make it even more complex ;) | 00:29 |
| asac | BUGabundo: i already raised that ... at least to ken | 00:29 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 00:29 |
| asac | unfortunately i had no time to thoroughly talk to him at UDS | 00:30 |
| asac | fta: web interface gets better though ;) | 00:30 |
| fta | yep, but that also means gwibber is lagging behind :P | 00:31 |
| asac | i think the reason for all this is that there were some omnious gwibber backend hangs because of facebook | 00:31 |
| asac | which i never saw after my final fixes ;) | 00:31 |
| BUGabundo | I don't even have FB account | 00:33 |
| asac | the outstanding thing is to define a good dbus api and properly deal with dbus timeouts (which still crash gwibber) | 00:33 |
| asac | those are less likely though | 00:34 |
| asac | ok so with some luck tomorrow we have working chromium for armel on karmic and lucid ;) in a public accessible ppa. | 00:35 |
| asac | would be a great EOY | 00:35 |
| asac | :-P | 00:35 |
| asac | then we have two weeks to get that in the archive for alpha-2 :-P | 00:36 |
| asac | but with even the gyp license bug i dont see that happening ;) | 00:37 |
| asac | fta: do all tests succeed in the ppa? | 00:37 |
| asac | on x86 | 00:38 |
| fta | nope | 00:38 |
| fta | far from it | 00:38 |
| fta | various issues, ms fonts, network accesses forbidden, shared memory forbidden, and various other stuff | 00:39 |
| asac | what do they attempt to do with network access | 00:40 |
| fta | i wanted to enable perf tests, but i'm afraid it's not possible within the builders | 00:40 |
| asac | maybe you can fire up a http server during build on some unprivileged port on localhost | 00:40 |
| fta | test the http stack, dns stack, ftp stack, etc | 00:41 |
| asac | i think perf tests are the last we should care about :) | 00:41 |
| asac | yes, but what are they doing? | 00:41 |
| asac | special webpages | 00:41 |
| asac | ? | 00:41 |
| asac | from some public server | 00:41 |
| asac | ? | 00:41 |
| fta | i really need to compare our build with the official ones, some people claim we're slower | 00:41 |
| asac | is there data available to backup that claim? | 00:42 |
| fta | for network, sometimes it's against google.com, sometimes against localhost (they start a small sever locally) | 00:42 |
| fta | nope, just claims, no proof | 00:43 |
| asac | ok so google.com is the problem? | 00:43 |
| asac | that really feels like ok to skip | 00:43 |
| fta | no; even localhost doesn't work | 00:43 |
| asac | really? | 00:43 |
| fta | yep | 00:43 |
| asac | how? | 00:43 |
| asac | what port? | 00:43 |
| fta | i don't remember | 00:43 |
| asac | that would bust PGO for firefox | 00:44 |
| asac | we need a proxy for that too | 00:44 |
| BUGabundo | asac: how is PGO? | 00:44 |
| asac | dont know ;) | 00:45 |
| fta | dead ? ;) | 00:46 |
| asac | upstream doesnt use it afaik because it didnt work for them | 00:46 |
| asac | i will try again though ;) | 00:46 |
| fta | stuff like: Creating shared memory in /dev/shm/com.google.chrome.shmem.unit_tests-28518 failed: Permission denied | 00:46 |
| asac | yeah | 00:46 |
| asac | those i saw | 00:46 |
| asac | thats because its in a chroot i think | 00:46 |
| asac | bindmounting /dev somehow doesnt do that recursively for /dev | 00:46 |
| asac | i saw that in my chroot | 00:46 |
| fta | most likely fakeroot's fault | 00:46 |
| asac | so udev would need to create stuff for chroot i guess (no clue what i am talking about here) | 00:47 |
| asac | could be fakeroot ... but in chroot its definitly a problem in bindmount | 00:47 |
| asac | not sure if builders use a chroot in a xen image or a native xen image | 00:47 |
| asac | hmm. too bad i deleted he old builds | 00:48 |
| asac | maybe the tests worked on the real builders | 00:48 |
| asac | and now i only build on armel | 00:48 |
| asac | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37208452/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.chromium-browser_4.0.283.0~svn20091226r35283-0ubuntu1~ucd1~karmic_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | 00:49 |
| asac | fta: ^^thats last build log on real builders | 00:49 |
| asac | ok same issuue | 00:50 |
| asac | [6631:6631:1226/172727:443931680155:ERROR:base/shared_memory_posix.cc(192)] Creating shared memory in /dev/shm/com.google.chrome.shmem.SharedMemoryOpenCloseTest failed: Permission denied | 00:50 |
| asac | base/shared_memory_unittest.cc:131: Failure | 00:50 |
| asac | Value of: rv | 00:50 |
| asac | fta: where are the branches for the beta/dev channel? | 00:51 |
| asac | do you auto fork them with appropriate checkpoint commit? | 00:51 |
| asac | or dont you even do that in branches? | 00:51 |
| fta | hm, no, i forked .head once for each channel, then they will need merging from head :( | 00:52 |
| asac | well. that shouldnt be a problem, would it? | 00:53 |
| fta | the branches are on lp, like for trunk | 00:53 |
| fta | no, but it's manual | 00:53 |
| asac | feels natural. fork if upstream forks. then just track security landings on their branches | 00:53 |
| asac | then merge if they merge too | 00:53 |
| asac | of course you dont know when they merged and when they updated | 00:53 |
| asac | but maybe you can guess that by how the version scheme moves forward | 00:53 |
| asac | for that we first need to see non-merged landings on beta/dev channel upstream branches i guess | 00:53 |
| fta | the bot will just trigger new builds if either the packaging branch changed, or upstream published a new build | 00:55 |
| fta | it's just get-orig-source CHANNEL={beta,dev} | 00:56 |
| asac | sure | 00:56 |
| asac | but upstream has two ways to publish a new build | 00:56 |
| asac | a) update biuld with a cherry pick (security/stability) | 00:56 |
| asac | b) bump to new release (e.g. merge trunk/beta) | 00:56 |
| asac | for a) you just move the .beta/d.ev branch forward ... when b) happens you need to merge .head etc. | 00:57 |
| asac | but i think thats clear ;) | 00:57 |
| asac | err planned | 00:57 |
| fta | they don't merge, they fork off from trunk, and cherry pick as long as they stick to that branch | 00:57 |
| asac | right | 00:57 |
| asac | so when they switch dev to a new branch we need to merge from .head ... if a branch moves forward we can just bump changelog in beta/dev branches | 00:58 |
| asac | at least i would hope they dont make new trunk forks that lie in the past | 00:59 |
| asac | fta: licensecheck.pl doesnt recurse in directories? | 00:59 |
| asac | --hel pisnt that helpful ;) | 00:59 |
| fta | -r | 00:59 |
| fta | hm | 00:59 |
| fta | oh, mine? | 01:00 |
| asac | perl debian/licensecheck.pl -r build-tree/src/ | 01:00 |
| asac | error | 01:00 |
| asac | Unknown option: r | 01:00 |
| asac | Usage: debian/licensecheck.pl [options] directory -a display all licenses found (default will hide whitelisted licenses) -h this help screen | 01:00 |
| fta | i call licensecheck -r --copyright $dir | 01:01 |
| fta | so yes, it's recursive | 01:01 |
| asac | ok beause you have "filelist" in --help | 01:02 |
| asac | oh its just confusion. ok | 01:02 |
| asac | doesnt print anything :( | 01:03 |
| fta | the bug is moving forward | 01:03 |
| fta | wait | 01:03 |
| asac | really? | 01:03 |
| asac | gyp? | 01:03 |
| asac | cool | 01:03 |
| asac | if we cojuld upload that on jan 4 that would be a good step ;) | 01:04 |
| fta | no | 01:04 |
| fta | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291 | 01:04 |
| fta | you should link yours there | 01:05 |
| asac | i cannot link even with my underpowers ;) | 01:05 |
| asac | cant do nothing bug comment and star ;) | 01:05 |
| fta | lol | 01:06 |
| fta | which one is yours? | 01:06 |
| asac | dunno ;) | 01:06 |
| asac | its filed against gyp | 01:06 |
| asac | http://code.google.com/p/gyp/issues/detail?id=133 | 01:07 |
| fta | done | 01:07 |
| asac | fta: so that script buffers all results? | 01:09 |
| asac | it consumes cycles | 01:09 |
| asac | but doesnt dump anything | 01:09 |
| asac | i run that on the armel board fwiw ... so it will take some time to finish ;) | 01:09 |
| fta | it's needed to sort the results | 01:09 |
| fta | on arm! lol, run that locally, you're crazy | 01:10 |
| asac | i am too lazy to extract the source ;) | 01:11 |
| asac | also i am on a mini 9 | 01:11 |
| asac | fta: how about dumping DEP-5 format ;) | 01:11 |
| asac | you already seem to sort that stuff somewhat. | 01:11 |
| asac | build-tree/src/third_party/yasm/source/patched-yasm/tools/python-yasm/pyxelator/ | 01:12 |
| asac | is UNKNOWN | 01:12 |
| fta | DEP-5 format? | 01:12 |
| asac | yes. new parsable copyright format | 01:12 |
| asac | http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ | 01:13 |
| asac | i think using DIR/* for dirs with all files of same license would work | 01:13 |
| asac | otherwise listing them explicitly | 01:13 |
| asac | by dir | 01:13 |
| asac | so the Files: line doesnt get too long ;) | 01:13 |
| fta | it's possible, eveything is possible | 01:14 |
| asac | in theory you could probably dump all files for each license in one use Files: ;) | 01:14 |
| asac | well | 01:14 |
| asac | i hoped it would be easy for you ;) | 01:14 |
| fta | in fact, that's why i added -a | 01:14 |
| asac | i think i might be able to do something ;) | 01:15 |
| asac | checked the code | 01:15 |
| asac | all i want to know is how to check length of the eys %{$$data{$dir}} | 01:15 |
| asac | keys | 01:15 |
| asac | in perl | 01:15 |
| asac | fta: any hint ;)? | 01:16 |
| fta | length("foo") => 3 | 01:16 |
| fta | keys %hash returns a list | 01:17 |
| fta | length takes a string | 01:17 |
| asac | copyright info is probably quite incomplete atm? | 01:17 |
| asac | maybe we should just gen the full list ;) | 01:18 |
| asac | and not try to merge | 01:18 |
| asac | we would need to merge by copyright holder too | 01:18 |
| asac | hmm | 01:18 |
| fta | i sort by license | 01:18 |
| asac | yes. if we now could also sort by copyright holders within each dir that would be perfect | 01:18 |
| asac | probably requires some computing, but the files per dir list should be short enough :) | 01:19 |
| fta | iirc, i already did that | 01:20 |
| asac | i dont think so | 01:20 |
| asac | there hsould be another loop | 01:20 |
| asac | first extract all copyrights into a unique set | 01:20 |
| asac | then filter all files returned for each copyright for each license ;) | 01:21 |
| asac | hehe | 01:21 |
| fta | i sort by dir, then by license | 01:21 |
| fta | then by file | 01:21 |
| fta | the 3 for() loops at the end | 01:21 |
| asac | yes. but not by copyright holder | 01:22 |
| asac | thats just dumped | 01:22 |
| asac | having those also sorted below the license level would help a lot and hopefully would allso abunch of dirs to be just * | 01:22 |
| asac | then we just need to resort the whole list by dir depth and dep-5 is valid and great ;) | 01:23 |
| asac | current copyright is 3.5 M ;) | 01:24 |
| asac | i mean the raw dump | 01:24 |
| asac | so | 01:25 |
| asac | for my $license (sort values %{$$data{$dir}}) | 01:25 |
| asac | err | 01:25 |
| asac | for my $copyright (sort values %{$$data{$dir}}) | 01:25 |
| asac | would give a sorted list of copyright hoders in a dir? | 01:25 |
| asac | fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/349346/ ;)( | 01:31 |
| asac | to give the idea ;) | 01:31 |
| asac | ignore my unperlism | 01:31 |
| asac | maybe help me fix that ;) | 01:31 |
| fta | er, what did you change? | 01:33 |
| asac | hmm. doesnt like continue ;) | 01:33 |
| asac | fta: the copyright sortage in the license loop | 01:34 |
| asac | what is the continue equiv in perl? | 01:34 |
| asac | next? | 01:34 |
| fta | yes, but you have two nested loops over the same thing.. | 01:34 |
| fta | hm | 01:34 |
| asac | oh | 01:36 |
| asac | i wanted values | 01:36 |
| asac | not keys | 01:36 |
| asac | for my $copyright (sort values %{$$data{$dir}}) { | 01:36 |
| asac | that way | 01:36 |
| asac | help ... why is there no equiv to continue; ;) | 01:37 |
| fta | hm, no, it's a 3 levels hash table | 01:37 |
| asac | not sure why next wants a parameter :) | 01:37 |
| fta | continue => next, break => last | 01:37 |
| asac | yes, but next without an argument hates me :( | 01:38 |
| asac | find docs about next FILE; | 01:38 |
| asac | not sure what i shoudl put there for a afor ;) | 01:38 |
| fta | nope, next alone is fine | 01:38 |
| fta | with a ";" | 01:38 |
| asac | hmm | 01:38 |
| asac | i tried | 01:38 |
| asac | while(1) | 01:38 |
| fta | it's not python | 01:38 |
| asac | next; | 01:38 |
| asac | that failed :) | 01:38 |
| asac | sure | 01:38 |
| asac | i am used to C ;) | 01:39 |
| fta | sure, you need braces | 01:39 |
| fta | print "foo" if $bar; or if ($bar) { print "foo"; } | 01:39 |
| asac | sure | 01:39 |
| asac | oh | 01:40 |
| asac | you cannot have a one line thing like in C? | 01:40 |
| asac | odd | 01:40 |
| asac | ok | 01:40 |
| asac | yeah ... now it does something ;) | 01:40 |
| asac | yeah ... so what is in values? | 01:41 |
| fta | my eyes are closing fast | 01:41 |
| asac | another map? | 01:41 |
| asac | sure | 01:41 |
| fta | the ref of a hash | 01:41 |
| fta | imho, you're doing it the wrong way | 01:41 |
| asac | its definitly supoptimal ;) | 01:42 |
| asac | will try something else ;) | 01:43 |
| fta | i don't understand what you're trying to do with your loop | 01:43 |
| asac | dont bother | 01:45 |
| asac | i will play around a bit ;) | 01:45 |
| asac | good night :) | 01:45 |
| fta | thanks, we'll rediscuss that next time | 01:47 |
| micahg | dogatemycomputer: why did you mark that bug invalid? | 02:37 |
| dogatemycomputer | micahg: I was told if it was reported upstream then it should be marked invalid for the ubuntu project. is that incorrect? | 02:38 |
| micahg | dogatemycomputer: only for kubuntu packages | 02:38 |
| dogatemycomputer | micahg: ohhhh.. I wish this was documented somewhere. :-( | 02:38 |
| micahg | dogatemycomputer: that's the only place it should say to invalidate :) | 02:38 |
| * micahg fixed it | 02:39 | |
| dogatemycomputer | micahg: I don't think it actually says one way or the other. What should I mark it as? | 02:39 |
| micahg | dogatemycomputer: once it's upstreamed it should be marked triaged and if there's no importance, it should be set | 02:39 |
| dogatemycomputer | micahg: ahhh.. i'll try that then. I don't think I can set importance but I think i can mark it triaged. | 02:40 |
| micahg | dogatemycomputer: you probably can't do either | 02:40 |
| dogatemycomputer | micahg: i'm not in BugSquad.. mainly because i'm still learning. | 02:40 |
| micahg | but you go into #ubuntu-bugs and ask a -control member to do it for you | 02:41 |
| dogatemycomputer | micahg: I think I can mark it 'complete' though.. and past experience says someone will come along and change it to triaged. | 02:41 |
| micahg | dogatemycomputer: you should join bugsquad while learning | 02:41 |
| dogatemycomputer | micahg: honestly.. I like the idea that I can't do something terribly wrong yet. :-) | 02:42 |
| micahg | dogatemycomputer: bugsquad has no special privs | 02:42 |
| dogatemycomputer | micahg: I do plan to join though. Probably in March or April. It says in the docs that I should have some experience before asking to join. | 02:42 |
| micahg | bugcontrol has special privs | 02:42 |
| micahg | dogatemycomputer: let's go to #ubuntu-bugs | 02:43 |
| dogatemycomputer | micahg: okay.. | 02:43 |
| micahg | [reed]: can you push something I got approval for? | 02:44 |
| [reed] | micahg: sure | 02:47 |
| [reed] | bug #? | 02:47 |
| micahg | mozilla 510040 | 02:47 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 510040 in JavaScript Debugging APIs "[PATCH] Fix JS debugger crash on 64-bit: don't truncate PC to jsuint in jsds_FilterHook" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510040 | 02:47 |
| micahg | [reed]: I didn't test the patch against the branch | 02:48 |
| [reed] | micahg: done | 02:50 |
| micahg | [reed]: thanks | 02:50 |
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| BUGabundo_work | morning | 10:13 |
| asac | hi | 11:20 |
| BUGabundo_work | hi asac | 11:27 |
| BUGabundo_work | ready for the PARTTTYYYY ? | 11:27 |
| asac | yeah | 11:30 |
| asac | well. ... not really ready. but preparing atm ;) | 11:30 |
| asac | ok packing things and then moving to different city for this event ;) | 11:32 |
| asac | see you next year, everybody!! 2010!! | 11:33 |
| BUGabundo_work | bye asac | 11:36 |
| BUGabundo_work | enjoy | 11:36 |
| BUGabundo_work | and guud luck entering 2010 | 11:37 |
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| BUGabundo_work | asac: fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/349581/ | 15:52 |
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| BUGabundo_work | bye guys. see you tomorrow. enjoy your party. i know i will | 16:34 |
| mbana | something is broken in the way TB 3 replies to the messages. the quote doesn't appear to be properly formatted when i look at it in Gmail | 17:15 |
| micahg | mbana: and teh same setting worked in TB2? | 17:18 |
| mbana | yes. i just checked. it only applies when replying in html mode | 17:20 |
| mbana | the quote is indented as opposed to proper quoting | 17:20 |
| micahg | mbana: can you file a bug in LP with screenshots? | 17:20 |
| mbana | if u use gmail, u can see it yourself. | 17:20 |
| mbana | just reply to a message in TB 3 in HTML form. look at the message in Gmail and unhide the quote | 17:21 |
| mbana | it's indented and not quoted. | 17:21 |
| micahg1 | mbana: I don't have time to test right now | 18:06 |
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