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spanky1980knome it's telling me that my kernal needs to be recompialed since it cannot a find linux.h file01:09
kekeHi,  I've installed xubuntu and now get this error in Movie Player when I try to play a dvd:Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file.01:54
kekewell thought I'd try this irc but it seems like noone uses it for support?01:56
knome!dvd | keke02:01
ubottukeke: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:01
djura-sanhey knome do you know any gtk dropbox for wget?02:01
djura-sangwget is not working (drag n drop)02:01
knomenope :)02:01
djura-sanokay02:01
Balsaqknome!02:02
knomeBalsaq, ;]02:02
Balsaqgot a mouse on a parachute now02:03
kekeubottu -the links you sent: thats how I set up the dvd with all the correct codecs etc. now I get the error I posted02:04
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)02:04
knomeBalsaq, parachute?02:04
knomenp: Coldplay / Parachutes02:05
Balsaqyeah that xubuntu mouse i drew...i have him on a parachute....still workin on it02:05
knomeokay02:06
Deviouzkeke, you should install libdvdcss202:06
kekedeviouz: I did already02:07
Deviouzare you sure you are not in the guest acount or something?02:07
kekeyep admin access02:09
Deviouzand you have installed the restricted extras?02:09
kekeyep02:09
Deviouzwhat played are you using?02:09
knomespanky1980, hmm, installing the kernel modules (and probably running the vmware configuration again) should work02:09
Deviouzwich02:09
Deviouzcan you please try vlc02:10
keketotem02:10
kekeI'll try vlc again02:10
Deviouzand you should probaly check so the dvd is ok02:11
Deviouztry another dvd02:11
Deviouzjust to be sure02:11
knomekeke, you might also need libdvdread3 and libdvdnav402:11
kekejust found this on forumsudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh, tried vlc and its working! thanks for hanging in there with me!02:12
knomekeke, yep, that actually *installs* css02:12
kekehmm as a newbie wouldnt that be part of codecs install?02:13
knomewell, i agree it should02:13
knomebut that's not how it goes02:13
Deviouzcongrats keke02:13
knomeit's unclear whether we can or can not install that by default02:13
knomeafaik02:14
knomeit kind of breaks some of the "copy protection systems"02:14
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LegendreEvening..02:15
knome!hi | Legendre02:15
ubottuLegendre: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!02:15
LegendreHave a problem. Fresh install of Karmic on IBM T-30 laptop. notes from the XFCE applets (appear in upper right, stuff like "your battery is fully charged, etc) are scrambled.02:16
LegendreThe box just contains random video garbage, it's unreadable.02:17
Deviouzsounds like you need to change videodriver02:17
knomeLegendre, can you imagebin a screenshot?02:17
Legendreit's like the grapic is from the wrong memory region..02:17
Deviouzhave you tryed to change resolution?02:17
Deviouzit can make a big difference02:18
kekeokay deviouz and knome thanks a tone02:19
LegendreDeviouz: possibly so, but I've no idea how to force a driver on modern Xorg servers. I used to write/edit my own xf86 config files, but the files on *buntu are really sparse. The server (or kernel) selects drivers automagically.02:19
LegendreDeviouz: what's the approved method for changing res on Xubuntu?02:19
Legendre(and I think it might be running at max res already, this is a T30.. 1024x768 max, I THINK)02:20
Deviouzyou just need to go into settings >02:20
Deviouzthen change resolution and see if that helps02:20
LegendreOk. I don't have the machine here, it's my mom's.. set it up for her today. It's mostly OK, but I'd really like to fix this issue.02:21
Deviouzright click>programs>settings thats it:)02:22
Legendreone other issue.. just for the record. Sometimes, the wifi doesn't work when the machine boots.. have to reboot to get it working. That stinks, really.02:22
Deviouzif thats not helping you need to change the videodriver02:22
Deviouzweh,, that is something I never dealt with, maybe sombody else can help with that02:23
Deviouzgood luck02:23
Legendreoh, and wicd was acting up. It was ignoring changes to prefs for a particular network.. it was trying to use WPA, even though it ws set for WEP - and hence unable to join the network. Baffling.02:24
Legendrethanks Deviouz02:24
Deviouznp:)02:24
Legendreso how do I force a driver on it, and which one would I use?? =)02:24
Legendreit's an ATI chipset02:24
Legendreor at least that's what lspci says.02:25
Deviouzfirst, you need to find out what graphics card you have in that notebook02:25
knomeLegendre, have you looked at jockey?02:25
Deviouzand then google it,02:25
Deviouzand then you should find it in synaptic02:25
Deviouzmake sure you have all the repos02:26
Deviouzthen its just to install the prooper driver02:26
Legendreknome: nope, I know not of jockey02:26
Deviouzreboot02:26
Legendreit's like a radeon mobility 9XXX or some crap02:27
Legendreknome: what is jockey?02:27
knomeLegendre, applications -> system -> hardware drivers02:27
Legendreknome: hm, there's a proprietary ATI driver??02:28
knomeLegendre, that app should tell you if you need propietary drivers and lets you install and manage them02:28
Legendresure, I know about that.. thought there were only props. for nvidia02:28
LegendreI'll have to give it a look...02:28
knomeLegendre, if the driver is enabled, try disabling it. if it's disabled, try enabling it.02:28
Deviouzcheck this Legendre https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsAti02:28
Deviouzwhen you install a new driver it will automaticly disable and uninstall the old one02:29
Legendrethanks for that, Deviouz02:30
Deviouzyou need to be very sure you pick the right one for your card, otherwice you might not see anything on that screen02:30
Legendreknome: but I still don't know what 'jockey' is?02:30
Deviouznp, but lets hope its just the resolution, try that first:)02:31
knomeLegendre, the "hardware drivers" app is names jockey02:31
knome*named02:31
DeviouzJockey is a user-space library for recording and replaying an execution of generic x86 GNU/Linux programs.02:32
Legendreah! very good, thanks for that02:32
Legendrehm?? lol02:32
knomesuppose that's a different jockey then02:32
Legendrething is, maybe it's not running at max res.. but mom is old, she likes the display. Says it's "way brigter and clearer than windows"02:33
Deviouzhow many can it be?:P02:33
knomeyour bets please, the horserace is starting in a minute!02:33
Legendrenaming fail02:33
Legendrelol02:33
Legendreshe was in total XP misery.. and I don't know crap about windows, so I told her it's time to do something different.02:34
Deviouzbrighter and clearer oh my god:)02:34
Legendrehad some idiot issue with the Adobe Download Manager.. which insisted that she update her flash/reader, but then refused to allow it.. even as admin, it would not let her install the new versions.02:35
LegendreOH MY GOD!!!!!!02:35
Legendrehaha02:35
Deviouzshe is a vice old lady02:35
Legendrehey, now... talk nice02:35
Deviouzyes I just mean she is intelligent old lady, haha,02:36
Deviouzcus she want xubuntu over xp:)02:36
knomewell i think ADM knew that your mom was a quality lady and insisted on installing that crap on her02:36
knome*not to :P02:37
Deviouz:)02:37
Legendreknome: I don't know much about ADM.. it seems like some crap that adobe pushes on people when they install reader etc.02:37
knomethings start to be fuzzy near 5am02:37
Legendrepure, worthless crapware.. breakware.. failware..02:38
Deviouzits probably spyware02:38
knomeLegendre, well, it KIND OF is usable.02:38
knomeLegendre, but not if you only have reader02:38
Deviouzthank god we are not affected by that so much in the GNU world02:39
knomeit still can't beat the unix repository-thinking02:39
Deviouzthe only thing xp is good at is play games02:39
knomehah, who plays games anyway ;)02:40
Deviouzyou can do pretty much everything else in linux 50% better02:40
Deviouzyeah right02:40
Deviouzbut be advised, adobe reader is avalible for xubuntu too:)02:41
Deviouzbut with out that crap program02:41
Legendrefwiw, I've used Linux of one flavor, or another, since 1997.02:42
Legendreand have used it exclusively since 199902:42
DeviouzI used pretty much all of them02:43
knomeLegendre, good for you ;)02:43
Deviouzbut none I have tryed so far is as good as xubuntu ubuntu and kubuntu02:43
Legendreyes, very good for me. what a fucking relief, free of MS..02:43
Deviouzlol02:43
knome!language | Legendre02:43
ubottuLegendre: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.02:43
DeviouzI couldnt agree more02:43
LegendreI was all-Slack until 2006 or so, then got on Xubuntu02:43
DeviouzOps!02:43
Deviouz:)02:44
Legendrewhoops02:44
LegendreIt's a family channel, folks.02:44
Legendre=)02:44
Deviouzyes I had slack to02:44
Deviouzthat is the most booring distro I ever tryed,02:44
DeviouzI mean that is stone age:)02:45
Legendrehm, I don't really agree. I never cared much for slick desktops, etc..02:46
Deviouzand lets not talk about Gentoo, OH MY GOD!02:46
LegendreI always ran blackbox or fluxbox on it, it was great.02:46
LegendreGentoo is goofy.. I don't see the point.02:46
Deviouzyou know how many times I run configure make and make install,02:47
Deviouzprobably 100000002:47
LegendreI mean, I do understand it.. I ran it for a while on one box, but just not worth all the conniptions02:47
Deviouzno its fun in the beginning but then, noo noo02:47
Legendreand yes, I've built oodles of softs under Slack..02:47
Legendrehundreds of kernels.. back when I was into that kind of thing.02:48
Deviouzthats cool02:48
LegendreI still run slack (13) on a couple machines here, where I don't need gui.02:48
Deviouzits so much better to have apt do all that things:)02:48
Legendrewell, yeah.. but my level of trust is so-so..02:49
knomeuhm.... *cough*02:49
Deviouzsure slack is a bit faster but not by much02:49
knome!offtopic02:49
ubottu#xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!02:49
knome:]02:49
Deviouzyou have a cold knome?02:49
Deviouz:)02:49
knomei'm not sure actually02:49
Legendreknome: hey, nobody else is talking.. if there is any legit xubu discussion, I'd yield.02:49
knomei'm going to bed02:49
Deviouzsleep good02:50
* Legendre is an old hand at IRC.. know the rules02:50
knomeyeah, keep the discussion going as long as it concerns computers ;)02:50
Deviouzdistros is ok too?:)02:50
knomeDeviouz, yes, but as Legendre said, only as long as nobody needs support02:51
LegendreHey, how do I wire a serial cable to connect my Tandy 102 -> PC port.. so I can run it as a term?02:51
knomeLegendre, i've irced 10 years also :)02:51
Legendrecool beans.02:51
DeviouzIm sure if someone like support they will make their voice heard:)02:51
Legendreneed a geritol? I have plenty..02:51
knomeDeviouz, hope so. :)02:51
* Legendre is old and decrepit, please mock him.02:52
knomehehe02:52
Deviouzlol02:52
* knome hugs Legendre ;)02:52
knomehave fun guys02:52
knomeand have a nice day/night!02:52
LegendreOhh! My hip, it's broken!02:53
Deviouzlmao:)02:53
Legendreyou too knome, thanks for the shatt..02:53
randholHi. I need to get a machine to ask the dhcp server for a specific address: f.ex 10.0.0.10 due to firewall etc.... I changed the setup in xfce4 in the NetworkManager gui. However some days later I found that my settings had been reset to automatic dhcp.  So my question is if I need to do this setup somewhere else in a config file as this way of doing it in NetworkManager does not seem to be stable.03:53
randholrunning xubuntu karmic03:53
j1mcrandhol: so ... you just need a static ip then?03:54
randholjust a local static03:54
j1mcthe dhcp server is on your own network?03:54
randholyes it is the fiber-modem03:55
randholI need to setup the firewall in the modem to allow ssh from outside as I'm managing this computer from some 1000km away03:56
j1mci think something like this should do it: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-set-a-static-ip-address-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html03:56
randholin the firewall settings I need to put a spesific local IP03:56
randholah03:58
randholthanks!03:58
randholSo get rid of the network manager and do the same setup in the config files03:59
randholI'll have a try at this as soon as the running simulation finishes03:59
randholthanks!03:59
raevolhey all, when are xubuntu meetings held?04:34
arthyhi08:28
Some_PersonIs it possible to hide menu items from Xfce but not GNOME and/or KDE?11:39
silareIs there a way for me to get the Albatross theme for GNOME as well?11:52
Some_Personsilare: errm, it's a normal gtk theme as far as i can tell. should work in gnome already12:00
silareI know it's a normal GTK theme, but what about the window border?12:03
zeusi just installed xubuntu 9.10 im unable to install the updates while the update notifier says tht things are supposed to be installed15:48
charlie-tcaSysi: you around today?17:14
Sysimostly17:19
charlie-tcaIf you remember yesterday, questions about the nvidia 185 driver not starting gdm in lucid?17:20
charlie-tcaOnly nvidia driver to work in lucid is 190, which has to be downloaded from nvidia17:20
charlie-tcaI thing is is not out in final version yet17:20
charlie-tcawell, let me try that line again. I think it is not out in final version from nvidia yet17:22
charlie-tcabut he was right, 185 will not allow gdm to start in lucid17:22
Sysialphas are always interesting17:24
charlie-tcaoh yeah!17:25
Sysii could put lucid on that old machine17:25
Sysiexept that it may is broken17:25
charlie-tcaIt is a bit tricky, right now17:25
charlie-tcalucid or the machine broken?17:25
Sysimachine17:27
charlie-tca:-(17:27
charlie-tcamakes it much harder17:27
bobobobhelp....I cannot boot under the glx-185 drivers.  I login and it flickers a few times and then it asked me to login in again...infinite loop.  If I boot into low graphics, I can boot whole way.... :(17:37
charlie-tcaUsing what version of Xubunt?17:38
charlie-tcaOnly nvidia driver to work in lucid is 190, which has to be downloaded from nvidia17:39
bobobobkarmic...sorry17:40
charlie-tcaswitch to a tty if you can, run 'sudo apt-get update', then  'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', restart using 'sudo shutdown -r now'17:41
charlie-tcasee if it helps17:41
bobobobk...17:42
charlie-tcasomething got thrown out of date or did not complete the installation17:42
bobobobguess I could try the nvidia driver from nvidia....17:43
charlie-tcaMight try an "sudo apt-get check" too, to look for broken dependencies17:43
boboboball up to date....17:45
bobobobcheck is good too...17:45
charlie-tcaI have run into that issue on VBox, but not in hardware17:45
boboboblol...I use vbox quite a bit too.  did I mention that I hate to use windows....?17:46
bobobobcan you sudo apt-get purge nvidia-glx-185 or will that really mess X11 up?17:47
charlie-tcayou can17:49
charlie-tcawell, I have, anyway17:50
charlie-tcaI purged nvidia once though. What a mess17:50
bobobobgee that installs confidence.... :)17:50
charlie-tca:-)17:50
bobobobnow I get a message that it needs to run in low graphics...but it does login now... ;)17:51
bobobobhow do you install latest nvidia driver/settings, do you go to nvidia.com or somewheres else?17:52
charlie-tcayes, you have to download them from nvidia.17:52
bobobobk17:53
charlie-tcaDid you install through system - hardware drivers?17:53
bobobobyep17:53
Deviouzim having a severe problem with gdm18:04
DeviouzI type my pw and it working little and then throws be back out,18:05
Deviouznow I cant log into my system:(18:05
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Deviouzcomon anyone18:14
Deviouzwould it work if I uninstall it?18:14
Deviouzknome you there?18:16
knomeDeviouz, yup18:18
Deviouzhi18:18
Deviouzcan you help me with gdm18:19
DeviouzI hate this thing18:19
bobobobboo...I have a quadro nvs 160m...all they have for it is a beta 169.04 from 200718:19
bobobobDeviouz: I am having same problem18:19
Deviouzyes this is a big bug for sure!18:20
knomeDeviouz, sudo apt-get remove --purge gdm18:20
Deviouzit seem buggy as hell, is this a beta version?18:20
bobobobI figured it was the video driver since I could login fine using the low graphics18:20
bobobobhave you tried low graphics login?18:20
DeviouzI already have low graphics18:20
bobobobmine worked fine for about 2 weeks, it must be some new change18:21
bobobobwith nvidia....just started this yesterday18:21
Deviouzmaybe it will work better if install an older version?18:21
boboboblike I said low graphics works fine18:21
bobobobhere18:21
bobobobDeviouz: what video drivers are you using18:22
Deviouzso you just changed the resolituion then?18:22
DeviouzI haveing an old tnt/riva card18:22
bobobobno...I did a recovery boot, I think it was called...it was in the grub menu.  Then I uninstalled my nvidia graphics, then I reboot, then it said it needed to boot one session with low graphics18:23
DeviouzI see, and then you can still use nvidia drivers after that?18:24
DeviouzI noticed the resolution was set way too high when I had it freshly installed, I had a really blurry screen18:26
DeviouzI changed that and got it ok18:26
bobobobDeviouz: nope...until this gets resolved on xubuntus side, I guess I will just login low graphics for a while18:26
Deviouzhmm, wouldnt it work if just change the resolution in X?18:27
Deviouzquestion is how?18:27
Deviouzok thanks bobobob, I will have a go at it18:28
bobobobi tried changing resolution in x while using nvidia drivers, but no luck18:29
Deviouzok then, I will give it one more chance and if it doenst obey I will Purge it to helll!!>:18:31
Deviouz:P18:31
Deviouzbye for now18:32
BalsaqHyvaa uuttavuotta !!!18:56
BalsaqUngu' Bradun Dowg ?19:00
ljamisoniihello all19:05
Balsaqwelcome ljamisonii19:06
knomeBalsaq, you forgot the umlauts! :)19:06
knomeHyvää uutta vuotta! :)19:06
Balsaqwooops19:06
Balsaqgot newt or19:07
Balsaqonnellista uutto voutta19:07
knome*uutta vuotta19:07
knomeotherwise you are correct ;)19:07
knomeand you too19:07
Balsaqthank you19:07
ljamisoniiBalsaq, thanks :)19:10
Ben_MonkeyHello everyone19:10
BalsaqGreetings Ben_Monkey19:14
Ben_MonkeyHi ;)19:15
Ben_Monkeyi did an online update from 9.04 to 9.10 last week and am having some issues19:16
Ben_Monkeyjust looking for some advice on where to start looking19:17
Ben_Monkeyi assume there is a config file that controls the indavidual user's session...19:20
Ben_Monkeythough i dont know where or which file that is19:20
Ben_Monkeywhoops19:20
Ben_Monkeydefinately mispelled that :(19:21
charlie-tcaconfig files should be in ~/.config and ~/.local. But sometimes gnome comes into it and you need to tweak something in ~/.gnome2 or ~/.gconf19:22
charlie-tcaWhat kind of issues are you having?19:22
Ben_Monkeyafter i login, when xfce is selected as the session type, the screen flicks to black  and returns to the login screen. I f i select xterm as the session type, it has no issue19:24
charlie-tcaTry deleting ~/.cache19:25
Ben_Monkeyokay will do19:25
charlie-tcathen look in ~/.xsession-errors for any hints. After that, reboot from the tty using sudo shutdown -r now19:25
Ben_Monkeyin home...?19:25
charlie-tcayup, /home/$USER/.cache ; it is a hidden file, that's why starts with .19:26
Ben_Monkeysounds good19:27
charlie-tcafingers crossed, too19:27
charlie-tcasometimes though, it works19:27
charlie-tcaOh, look in ~/.dmrc for hints too. It may have "session=xubuntu" or xfce or something one time only. more than once means delete the extra lines of it19:29
Ben_Monkeyaon a separate note, how does that whole session start process work? i assume a config file is consulted and lists things like xfce4-panel, xfce-session, xfce4-calender, etc...19:29
charlie-tcayes, but it should start at /etc/xdg first, then it comes back to your /home and individual changes19:30
charlie-tcaAnyone here got 9.10 working?19:31
Ben_Monkeyfunny thing i had a similar problem when i did an over-the-air updated from 8.10 to 9.04 on a separate system19:35
Ben_Monkeyshould have learned my leason ;)19:35
charlie-tcaLots of us had that one19:35
charlie-tcathat was due to the change to Xfce 4.6 from 4.4. The configurations did not convert and you had to delete them to get it working19:36
charlie-tcaThis one, I don't know. I haven't had a problem today19:36
charlie-tcaBut then, I did reinstall over Christmas, too19:37
Deviouzbobobob I installed xdm:) its butt ugly but it works19:39
Ben_Monkeyokay changing screen resolution from the command line.... dont know where to start any pointers?19:49
Deviouz<Ben_Monkey> have a look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8397319:52
Deviouzbobobob say you can do it from the boot aswell ,,within the grub menu, failsafe mode or something19:53
Ben_Monkeythanks19:53
Ben_Monkeyreading19:53
Deviouzhope it helps19:54
Ben_Monkeyno luck on deleteing .cache20:17
Ov3rf10wBen_Monkey, what your problem?20:20
knome!resolution | Balsaq20:28
ubottuBalsaq: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution20:28
knomeoops!20:28
knome!resolution | Ben_Monkey20:28
ubottuBen_Monkey: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution20:28
knomesorry for the flooding. :P20:28
Deviouz!resolution | Ben_Monkey20:51
ubottuBen_Monkey: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution20:51
Deviouzthats cool20:52
Deviouz!help20:52
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)20:52
Deviouz!commands20:53
ubottuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal20:53
hal_happy new year all20:54
charlie-tcaHappy New Year to all!20:59
hal_ditto charlie20:59
Ben_Monkeyin etc/xdg/, what does the xfconf migration script do/21:04
Ben_Monkey?21:13
hal_whats up Ben?21:14
Ben_Monkeyhi hal21:16
Ben_Monkeybeen troubleshooting some low level xfce issues after updateing to 4.621:16
Ben_Monkeywasn't able to login to an xfce based session (only xterm), deleted .cache and had some intermitent positive results21:17
Ben_Monkeyjust cp'ing some sensitive data over21:17
Ben_Monkeyshould have updated as root :(, maybe then this wouldn't have been so painfull21:18
hal_maybe, should nt21:24
hal_be21:24
Ben_Monkeyi have had session issues  twice after updateing from 8.10 to 9.04 and 9.04 to 9.10 on separate systems, one thing i had in common was i ran both updates from my user account21:25
Ben_Monkeywhich i had removed from the root group...21:25
hal_i always had trouble on the updates. i found backing up my files and just doing a straight download after burning the new cd saved me alot of headaches21:27
hal_upgrades i mean21:27
Ben_Monkeyyeah i probably should have done that, i just wish i understood the system better21:32
hal_time Ben, just a little time. It'll sinks it hooks in you, like it did me21:33
Ben_Monkeyi am pretty sure the problem lies in a unknown config file that runs the session startup process21:33
hal_possibly. do you have another cpu that your not using?21:34
hal_thats how i learned linux21:34
hal_still learning21:34
hal_ah. hold on going to look somethin up for ya21:34
Ben_Monkeyseveral, mostly laptops21:35
Ben_Monkeyso yeah looking at my login screen, it shows two options for xfce and one for xterm. i'm thinking one of those "xfce session" bits is a borken link to 4.4 and one is the new 4.621:36
Ben_Monkeyhow to remove said link....21:37
Ben_Monkeyoff to father google21:37
hal_another way to learn ubuntu without all the trouble is using a program that lets you download ubuntu into a folder in windows with installing. here is the link, read it over: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide?action=show&redirect=Wubi21:39
hal_its a good way to run and learn it without installing into your hard drive..until your ready21:42
Ben_Monkeynice thanks ;)21:43
Ben_Monkeyi find i learn best when i can talk things over, get the big concepts down in my head21:45
Ben_Monkeyhow do people do that these days short of having a saavy friend ?21:45
Ben_Monkeyremoving them reinstalling xfce... anyone22:05
Ben_Monkeyfrom command line;)22:05
Ben_Monkeynever mind working the google22:16
molecule_HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! 201022:45

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