[01:09] <spanky1980> knome it's telling me that my kernal needs to be recompialed since it cannot a find linux.h file
[01:54] <keke> Hi,  I've installed xubuntu and now get this error in Movie Player when I try to play a dvd:Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file.
[01:56] <keke> well thought I'd try this irc but it seems like noone uses it for support?
[02:01] <knome> !dvd | keke
[02:01] <djura-san> hey knome do you know any gtk dropbox for wget?
[02:01] <djura-san> gwget is not working (drag n drop)
[02:01] <knome> nope :)
[02:01] <djura-san> okay
[02:02] <Balsaq> knome!
[02:02] <knome> Balsaq, ;]
[02:03] <Balsaq> got a mouse on a parachute now
[02:04] <keke> ubottu -the links you sent: thats how I set up the dvd with all the correct codecs etc. now I get the error I posted
[02:04] <knome> Balsaq, parachute?
[02:05] <knome> np: Coldplay / Parachutes
[02:05] <Balsaq> yeah that xubuntu mouse i drew...i have him on a parachute....still workin on it
[02:06] <knome> okay
[02:06] <Deviouz> keke, you should install libdvdcss2
[02:07] <keke> deviouz: I did already
[02:07] <Deviouz> are you sure you are not in the guest acount or something?
[02:09] <keke> yep admin access
[02:09] <Deviouz> and you have installed the restricted extras?
[02:09] <keke> yep
[02:09] <Deviouz> what played are you using?
[02:09] <knome> spanky1980, hmm, installing the kernel modules (and probably running the vmware configuration again) should work
[02:09] <Deviouz> wich
[02:10] <Deviouz> can you please try vlc
[02:10] <keke> totem
[02:10] <keke> I'll try vlc again
[02:11] <Deviouz> and you should probaly check so the dvd is ok
[02:11] <Deviouz> try another dvd
[02:11] <Deviouz> just to be sure
[02:11] <knome> keke, you might also need libdvdread3 and libdvdnav4
[02:12] <keke> just found this on forumsudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh, tried vlc and its working! thanks for hanging in there with me!
[02:12] <knome> keke, yep, that actually *installs* css
[02:13] <keke> hmm as a newbie wouldnt that be part of codecs install?
[02:13] <knome> well, i agree it should
[02:13] <knome> but that's not how it goes
[02:13] <Deviouz> congrats keke
[02:13] <knome> it's unclear whether we can or can not install that by default
[02:14] <knome> afaik
[02:14] <knome> it kind of breaks some of the "copy protection systems"
[02:15] <Legendre> Evening..
[02:15] <knome> !hi | Legendre
[02:16] <Legendre> Have a problem. Fresh install of Karmic on IBM T-30 laptop. notes from the XFCE applets (appear in upper right, stuff like "your battery is fully charged, etc) are scrambled.
[02:17] <Legendre> The box just contains random video garbage, it's unreadable.
[02:17] <Deviouz> sounds like you need to change videodriver
[02:17] <knome> Legendre, can you imagebin a screenshot?
[02:17] <Legendre> it's like the grapic is from the wrong memory region..
[02:17] <Deviouz> have you tryed to change resolution?
[02:18] <Deviouz> it can make a big difference
[02:19] <keke> okay deviouz and knome thanks a tone
[02:19] <Legendre> Deviouz: possibly so, but I've no idea how to force a driver on modern Xorg servers. I used to write/edit my own xf86 config files, but the files on *buntu are really sparse. The server (or kernel) selects drivers automagically.
[02:19] <Legendre> Deviouz: what's the approved method for changing res on Xubuntu?
[02:20] <Legendre> (and I think it might be running at max res already, this is a T30.. 1024x768 max, I THINK)
[02:20] <Deviouz> you just need to go into settings >
[02:20] <Deviouz> then change resolution and see if that helps
[02:21] <Legendre> Ok. I don't have the machine here, it's my mom's.. set it up for her today. It's mostly OK, but I'd really like to fix this issue.
[02:22] <Deviouz> right click>programs>settings thats it:)
[02:22] <Legendre> one other issue.. just for the record. Sometimes, the wifi doesn't work when the machine boots.. have to reboot to get it working. That stinks, really.
[02:22] <Deviouz> if thats not helping you need to change the videodriver
[02:23] <Deviouz> weh,, that is something I never dealt with, maybe sombody else can help with that
[02:23] <Deviouz> good luck
[02:24] <Legendre> oh, and wicd was acting up. It was ignoring changes to prefs for a particular network.. it was trying to use WPA, even though it ws set for WEP - and hence unable to join the network. Baffling.
[02:24] <Legendre> thanks Deviouz
[02:24] <Deviouz> np:)
[02:24] <Legendre> so how do I force a driver on it, and which one would I use?? =)
[02:24] <Legendre> it's an ATI chipset
[02:25] <Legendre> or at least that's what lspci says.
[02:25] <Deviouz> first, you need to find out what graphics card you have in that notebook
[02:25] <knome> Legendre, have you looked at jockey?
[02:25] <Deviouz> and then google it,
[02:25] <Deviouz> and then you should find it in synaptic
[02:26] <Deviouz> make sure you have all the repos
[02:26] <Deviouz> then its just to install the prooper driver
[02:26] <Legendre> knome: nope, I know not of jockey
[02:26] <Deviouz> reboot
[02:27] <Legendre> it's like a radeon mobility 9XXX or some crap
[02:27] <Legendre> knome: what is jockey?
[02:27] <knome> Legendre, applications -> system -> hardware drivers
[02:28] <Legendre> knome: hm, there's a proprietary ATI driver??
[02:28] <knome> Legendre, that app should tell you if you need propietary drivers and lets you install and manage them
[02:28] <Legendre> sure, I know about that.. thought there were only props. for nvidia
[02:28] <Legendre> I'll have to give it a look...
[02:28] <knome> Legendre, if the driver is enabled, try disabling it. if it's disabled, try enabling it.
[02:28] <Deviouz> check this Legendre https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsAti
[02:29] <Deviouz> when you install a new driver it will automaticly disable and uninstall the old one
[02:30] <Legendre> thanks for that, Deviouz
[02:30] <Deviouz> you need to be very sure you pick the right one for your card, otherwice you might not see anything on that screen
[02:30] <Legendre> knome: but I still don't know what 'jockey' is?
[02:31] <Deviouz> np, but lets hope its just the resolution, try that first:)
[02:31] <knome> Legendre, the "hardware drivers" app is names jockey
[02:31] <knome> *named
[02:32] <Deviouz> Jockey is a user-space library for recording and replaying an execution of generic x86 GNU/Linux programs.
[02:32] <Legendre> ah! very good, thanks for that
[02:32] <Legendre> hm?? lol
[02:32] <knome> suppose that's a different jockey then
[02:33] <Legendre> thing is, maybe it's not running at max res.. but mom is old, she likes the display. Says it's "way brigter and clearer than windows"
[02:33] <Deviouz> how many can it be?:P
[02:33] <knome> your bets please, the horserace is starting in a minute!
[02:33] <Legendre> naming fail
[02:33] <Legendre> lol
[02:34] <Legendre> she was in total XP misery.. and I don't know crap about windows, so I told her it's time to do something different.
[02:34] <Deviouz> brighter and clearer oh my god:)
[02:35] <Legendre> had some idiot issue with the Adobe Download Manager.. which insisted that she update her flash/reader, but then refused to allow it.. even as admin, it would not let her install the new versions.
[02:35] <Legendre> OH MY GOD!!!!!!
[02:35] <Legendre> haha
[02:35] <Deviouz> she is a vice old lady
[02:35] <Legendre> hey, now... talk nice
[02:36] <Deviouz> yes I just mean she is intelligent old lady, haha,
[02:36] <Deviouz> cus she want xubuntu over xp:)
[02:36] <knome> well i think ADM knew that your mom was a quality lady and insisted on installing that crap on her
[02:37] <knome> *not to :P
[02:37] <Deviouz> :)
[02:37] <Legendre> knome: I don't know much about ADM.. it seems like some crap that adobe pushes on people when they install reader etc.
[02:37] <knome> things start to be fuzzy near 5am
[02:38] <Legendre> pure, worthless crapware.. breakware.. failware..
[02:38] <Deviouz> its probably spyware
[02:38] <knome> Legendre, well, it KIND OF is usable.
[02:38] <knome> Legendre, but not if you only have reader
[02:39] <Deviouz> thank god we are not affected by that so much in the GNU world
[02:39] <knome> it still can't beat the unix repository-thinking
[02:39] <Deviouz> the only thing xp is good at is play games
[02:40] <knome> hah, who plays games anyway ;)
[02:40] <Deviouz> you can do pretty much everything else in linux 50% better
[02:40] <Deviouz> yeah right
[02:41] <Deviouz> but be advised, adobe reader is avalible for xubuntu too:)
[02:41] <Deviouz> but with out that crap program
[02:42] <Legendre> fwiw, I've used Linux of one flavor, or another, since 1997.
[02:42] <Legendre> and have used it exclusively since 1999
[02:43] <Deviouz> I used pretty much all of them
[02:43] <knome> Legendre, good for you ;)
[02:43] <Deviouz> but none I have tryed so far is as good as xubuntu ubuntu and kubuntu
[02:43] <Legendre> yes, very good for me. what a fucking relief, free of MS..
[02:43] <Deviouz> lol
[02:43] <knome> !language | Legendre
[02:43] <Deviouz> I couldnt agree more
[02:43] <Legendre> I was all-Slack until 2006 or so, then got on Xubuntu
[02:43] <Deviouz> Ops!
[02:44] <Deviouz> :)
[02:44] <Legendre> whoops
[02:44] <Legendre> It's a family channel, folks.
[02:44] <Legendre> =)
[02:44] <Deviouz> yes I had slack to
[02:44] <Deviouz> that is the most booring distro I ever tryed,
[02:45] <Deviouz> I mean that is stone age:)
[02:46] <Legendre> hm, I don't really agree. I never cared much for slick desktops, etc..
[02:46] <Deviouz> and lets not talk about Gentoo, OH MY GOD!
[02:46] <Legendre> I always ran blackbox or fluxbox on it, it was great.
[02:46] <Legendre> Gentoo is goofy.. I don't see the point.
[02:47] <Deviouz> you know how many times I run configure make and make install,
[02:47] <Deviouz> probably 1000000
[02:47] <Legendre> I mean, I do understand it.. I ran it for a while on one box, but just not worth all the conniptions
[02:47] <Deviouz> no its fun in the beginning but then, noo noo
[02:47] <Legendre> and yes, I've built oodles of softs under Slack..
[02:48] <Legendre> hundreds of kernels.. back when I was into that kind of thing.
[02:48] <Deviouz> thats cool
[02:48] <Legendre> I still run slack (13) on a couple machines here, where I don't need gui.
[02:48] <Deviouz> its so much better to have apt do all that things:)
[02:49] <Legendre> well, yeah.. but my level of trust is so-so..
[02:49] <knome> uhm.... *cough*
[02:49] <Deviouz> sure slack is a bit faster but not by much
[02:49] <knome> !offtopic
[02:49] <knome> :]
[02:49] <Deviouz> you have a cold knome?
[02:49] <Deviouz> :)
[02:49] <knome> i'm not sure actually
[02:49] <Legendre> knome: hey, nobody else is talking.. if there is any legit xubu discussion, I'd yield.
[02:49] <knome> i'm going to bed
[02:50] <Deviouz> sleep good
[02:50]  * Legendre is an old hand at IRC.. know the rules
[02:50] <knome> yeah, keep the discussion going as long as it concerns computers ;)
[02:50] <Deviouz> distros is ok too?:)
[02:51] <knome> Deviouz, yes, but as Legendre said, only as long as nobody needs support
[02:51] <Legendre> Hey, how do I wire a serial cable to connect my Tandy 102 -> PC port.. so I can run it as a term?
[02:51] <knome> Legendre, i've irced 10 years also :)
[02:51] <Legendre> cool beans.
[02:51] <Deviouz> Im sure if someone like support they will make their voice heard:)
[02:51] <Legendre> need a geritol? I have plenty..
[02:51] <knome> Deviouz, hope so. :)
[02:52]  * Legendre is old and decrepit, please mock him.
[02:52] <knome> hehe
[02:52] <Deviouz> lol
[02:52]  * knome hugs Legendre ;)
[02:52] <knome> have fun guys
[02:52] <knome> and have a nice day/night!
[02:53] <Legendre> Ohh! My hip, it's broken!
[02:53] <Deviouz> lmao:)
[02:53] <Legendre> you too knome, thanks for the shatt..
[03:53] <randhol> Hi. I need to get a machine to ask the dhcp server for a specific address: f.ex 10.0.0.10 due to firewall etc.... I changed the setup in xfce4 in the NetworkManager gui. However some days later I found that my settings had been reset to automatic dhcp.  So my question is if I need to do this setup somewhere else in a config file as this way of doing it in NetworkManager does not seem to be stable.
[03:53] <randhol> running xubuntu karmic
[03:54] <j1mc> randhol: so ... you just need a static ip then?
[03:54] <randhol> just a local static
[03:54] <j1mc> the dhcp server is on your own network?
[03:55] <randhol> yes it is the fiber-modem
[03:56] <randhol> I need to setup the firewall in the modem to allow ssh from outside as I'm managing this computer from some 1000km away
[03:56] <j1mc> i think something like this should do it: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-set-a-static-ip-address-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[03:56] <randhol> in the firewall settings I need to put a spesific local IP
[03:58] <randhol> ah
[03:58] <randhol> thanks!
[03:59] <randhol> So get rid of the network manager and do the same setup in the config files
[03:59] <randhol> I'll have a try at this as soon as the running simulation finishes
[03:59] <randhol> thanks!
[04:34] <raevol> hey all, when are xubuntu meetings held?
[08:28] <arthy> hi
[11:39] <Some_Person> Is it possible to hide menu items from Xfce but not GNOME and/or KDE?
[11:52] <silare> Is there a way for me to get the Albatross theme for GNOME as well?
[12:00] <Some_Person> silare: errm, it's a normal gtk theme as far as i can tell. should work in gnome already
[12:03] <silare> I know it's a normal GTK theme, but what about the window border?
[15:48] <zeus> i just installed xubuntu 9.10 im unable to install the updates while the update notifier says tht things are supposed to be installed
[17:14] <charlie-tca> Sysi: you around today?
[17:19] <Sysi> mostly
[17:20] <charlie-tca> If you remember yesterday, questions about the nvidia 185 driver not starting gdm in lucid?
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Only nvidia driver to work in lucid is 190, which has to be downloaded from nvidia
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I thing is is not out in final version yet
[17:22] <charlie-tca> well, let me try that line again. I think it is not out in final version from nvidia yet
[17:22] <charlie-tca> but he was right, 185 will not allow gdm to start in lucid
[17:24] <Sysi> alphas are always interesting
[17:25] <charlie-tca> oh yeah!
[17:25] <Sysi> i could put lucid on that old machine
[17:25] <Sysi> exept that it may is broken
[17:25] <charlie-tca> It is a bit tricky, right now
[17:25] <charlie-tca> lucid or the machine broken?
[17:27] <Sysi> machine
[17:27] <charlie-tca> :-(
[17:27] <charlie-tca> makes it much harder
[17:37] <bobobob> help....I cannot boot under the glx-185 drivers.  I login and it flickers a few times and then it asked me to login in again...infinite loop.  If I boot into low graphics, I can boot whole way.... :(
[17:38] <charlie-tca> Using what version of Xubunt?
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Only nvidia driver to work in lucid is 190, which has to be downloaded from nvidia
[17:40] <bobobob> karmic...sorry
[17:41] <charlie-tca> switch to a tty if you can, run 'sudo apt-get update', then  'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', restart using 'sudo shutdown -r now'
[17:41] <charlie-tca> see if it helps
[17:42] <bobobob> k...
[17:42] <charlie-tca> something got thrown out of date or did not complete the installation
[17:43] <bobobob> guess I could try the nvidia driver from nvidia....
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Might try an "sudo apt-get check" too, to look for broken dependencies
[17:45] <bobobob> all up to date....
[17:45] <bobobob> check is good too...
[17:45] <charlie-tca> I have run into that issue on VBox, but not in hardware
[17:46] <bobobob> lol...I use vbox quite a bit too.  did I mention that I hate to use windows....?
[17:47] <bobobob> can you sudo apt-get purge nvidia-glx-185 or will that really mess X11 up?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> you can
[17:50] <charlie-tca> well, I have, anyway
[17:50] <charlie-tca> I purged nvidia once though. What a mess
[17:50] <bobobob> gee that installs confidence.... :)
[17:50] <charlie-tca> :-)
[17:51] <bobobob> now I get a message that it needs to run in low graphics...but it does login now... ;)
[17:52] <bobobob> how do you install latest nvidia driver/settings, do you go to nvidia.com or somewheres else?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> yes, you have to download them from nvidia.
[17:53] <bobobob> k
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Did you install through system - hardware drivers?
[17:53] <bobobob> yep
[18:04] <Deviouz> im having a severe problem with gdm
[18:05] <Deviouz> I type my pw and it working little and then throws be back out,
[18:05] <Deviouz> now I cant log into my system:(
[18:14] <Deviouz> comon anyone
[18:14] <Deviouz> would it work if I uninstall it?
[18:16] <Deviouz> knome you there?
[18:18] <knome> Deviouz, yup
[18:18] <Deviouz> hi
[18:19] <Deviouz> can you help me with gdm
[18:19] <Deviouz> I hate this thing
[18:19] <bobobob> boo...I have a quadro nvs 160m...all they have for it is a beta 169.04 from 2007
[18:19] <bobobob> Deviouz: I am having same problem
[18:20] <Deviouz> yes this is a big bug for sure!
[18:20] <knome> Deviouz, sudo apt-get remove --purge gdm
[18:20] <Deviouz> it seem buggy as hell, is this a beta version?
[18:20] <bobobob> I figured it was the video driver since I could login fine using the low graphics
[18:20] <bobobob> have you tried low graphics login?
[18:20] <Deviouz> I already have low graphics
[18:21] <bobobob> mine worked fine for about 2 weeks, it must be some new change
[18:21] <bobobob> with nvidia....just started this yesterday
[18:21] <Deviouz> maybe it will work better if install an older version?
[18:21] <bobobob> like I said low graphics works fine
[18:21] <bobobob> here
[18:22] <bobobob> Deviouz: what video drivers are you using
[18:22] <Deviouz> so you just changed the resolituion then?
[18:22] <Deviouz> I haveing an old tnt/riva card
[18:23] <bobobob> no...I did a recovery boot, I think it was called...it was in the grub menu.  Then I uninstalled my nvidia graphics, then I reboot, then it said it needed to boot one session with low graphics
[18:24] <Deviouz> I see, and then you can still use nvidia drivers after that?
[18:26] <Deviouz> I noticed the resolution was set way too high when I had it freshly installed, I had a really blurry screen
[18:26] <Deviouz> I changed that and got it ok
[18:26] <bobobob> Deviouz: nope...until this gets resolved on xubuntus side, I guess I will just login low graphics for a while
[18:27] <Deviouz> hmm, wouldnt it work if just change the resolution in X?
[18:27] <Deviouz> question is how?
[18:28] <Deviouz> ok thanks bobobob, I will have a go at it
[18:29] <bobobob> i tried changing resolution in x while using nvidia drivers, but no luck
[18:31] <Deviouz> ok then, I will give it one more chance and if it doenst obey I will Purge it to helll!!>:
[18:31] <Deviouz> :P
[18:32] <Deviouz> bye for now
[18:56] <Balsaq> Hyvaa uuttavuotta !!!
[19:00] <Balsaq> Ungu' Bradun Dowg ?
[19:05] <ljamisonii> hello all
[19:06] <Balsaq> welcome ljamisonii
[19:06] <knome> Balsaq, you forgot the umlauts! :)
[19:06] <knome> Hyvää uutta vuotta! :)
[19:06] <Balsaq> wooops
[19:07] <Balsaq> got newt or
[19:07] <Balsaq> onnellista uutto voutta
[19:07] <knome> *uutta vuotta
[19:07] <knome> otherwise you are correct ;)
[19:07] <knome> and you too
[19:07] <Balsaq> thank you
[19:10] <ljamisonii> Balsaq, thanks :)
[19:10] <Ben_Monkey> Hello everyone
[19:14] <Balsaq> Greetings Ben_Monkey
[19:15] <Ben_Monkey> Hi ;)
[19:16] <Ben_Monkey> i did an online update from 9.04 to 9.10 last week and am having some issues
[19:17] <Ben_Monkey> just looking for some advice on where to start looking
[19:20] <Ben_Monkey> i assume there is a config file that controls the indavidual user's session...
[19:20] <Ben_Monkey> though i dont know where or which file that is
[19:20] <Ben_Monkey> whoops
[19:21] <Ben_Monkey> definately mispelled that :(
[19:22] <charlie-tca> config files should be in ~/.config and ~/.local. But sometimes gnome comes into it and you need to tweak something in ~/.gnome2 or ~/.gconf
[19:22] <charlie-tca> What kind of issues are you having?
[19:24] <Ben_Monkey> after i login, when xfce is selected as the session type, the screen flicks to black  and returns to the login screen. I f i select xterm as the session type, it has no issue
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Try deleting ~/.cache
[19:25] <Ben_Monkey> okay will do
[19:25] <charlie-tca> then look in ~/.xsession-errors for any hints. After that, reboot from the tty using sudo shutdown -r now
[19:25] <Ben_Monkey> in home...?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> yup, /home/$USER/.cache ; it is a hidden file, that's why starts with .
[19:27] <Ben_Monkey> sounds good
[19:27] <charlie-tca> fingers crossed, too
[19:27] <charlie-tca> sometimes though, it works
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Oh, look in ~/.dmrc for hints too. It may have "session=xubuntu" or xfce or something one time only. more than once means delete the extra lines of it
[19:29] <Ben_Monkey> aon a separate note, how does that whole session start process work? i assume a config file is consulted and lists things like xfce4-panel, xfce-session, xfce4-calender, etc...
[19:30] <charlie-tca> yes, but it should start at /etc/xdg first, then it comes back to your /home and individual changes
[19:31] <charlie-tca> Anyone here got 9.10 working?
[19:35] <Ben_Monkey> funny thing i had a similar problem when i did an over-the-air updated from 8.10 to 9.04 on a separate system
[19:35] <Ben_Monkey> should have learned my leason ;)
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Lots of us had that one
[19:36] <charlie-tca> that was due to the change to Xfce 4.6 from 4.4. The configurations did not convert and you had to delete them to get it working
[19:36] <charlie-tca> This one, I don't know. I haven't had a problem today
[19:37] <charlie-tca> But then, I did reinstall over Christmas, too
[19:39] <Deviouz> bobobob I installed xdm:) its butt ugly but it works
[19:49] <Ben_Monkey> okay changing screen resolution from the command line.... dont know where to start any pointers?
 have a look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[19:53] <Deviouz> bobobob say you can do it from the boot aswell ,,within the grub menu, failsafe mode or something
[19:53] <Ben_Monkey> thanks
[19:53] <Ben_Monkey> reading
[19:54] <Deviouz> hope it helps
[20:17] <Ben_Monkey> no luck on deleteing .cache
[20:20] <Ov3rf10w> Ben_Monkey, what your problem?
[20:28] <knome> !resolution | Balsaq
[20:28] <knome> oops!
[20:28] <knome> !resolution | Ben_Monkey
[20:28] <knome> sorry for the flooding. :P
[20:51] <Deviouz> !resolution | Ben_Monkey
[20:52] <Deviouz> thats cool
[20:52] <Deviouz> !help
[20:53] <Deviouz> !commands
[20:54] <hal_> happy new year all
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Happy New Year to all!
[20:59] <hal_> ditto charlie
[21:04] <Ben_Monkey> in etc/xdg/, what does the xfconf migration script do/
[21:13] <Ben_Monkey> ?
[21:14] <hal_> whats up Ben?
[21:16] <Ben_Monkey> hi hal
[21:16] <Ben_Monkey> been troubleshooting some low level xfce issues after updateing to 4.6
[21:17] <Ben_Monkey> wasn't able to login to an xfce based session (only xterm), deleted .cache and had some intermitent positive results
[21:17] <Ben_Monkey> just cp'ing some sensitive data over
[21:18] <Ben_Monkey> should have updated as root :(, maybe then this wouldn't have been so painfull
[21:24] <hal_> maybe, should nt
[21:24] <hal_> be
[21:25] <Ben_Monkey> i have had session issues  twice after updateing from 8.10 to 9.04 and 9.04 to 9.10 on separate systems, one thing i had in common was i ran both updates from my user account
[21:25] <Ben_Monkey> which i had removed from the root group...
[21:27] <hal_> i always had trouble on the updates. i found backing up my files and just doing a straight download after burning the new cd saved me alot of headaches
[21:27] <hal_> upgrades i mean
[21:32] <Ben_Monkey> yeah i probably should have done that, i just wish i understood the system better
[21:33] <hal_> time Ben, just a little time. It'll sinks it hooks in you, like it did me
[21:33] <Ben_Monkey> i am pretty sure the problem lies in a unknown config file that runs the session startup process
[21:34] <hal_> possibly. do you have another cpu that your not using?
[21:34] <hal_> thats how i learned linux
[21:34] <hal_> still learning
[21:34] <hal_> ah. hold on going to look somethin up for ya
[21:35] <Ben_Monkey> several, mostly laptops
[21:36] <Ben_Monkey> so yeah looking at my login screen, it shows two options for xfce and one for xterm. i'm thinking one of those "xfce session" bits is a borken link to 4.4 and one is the new 4.6
[21:37] <Ben_Monkey> how to remove said link....
[21:37] <Ben_Monkey> off to father google
[21:39] <hal_> another way to learn ubuntu without all the trouble is using a program that lets you download ubuntu into a folder in windows with installing. here is the link, read it over: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide?action=show&redirect=Wubi
[21:42] <hal_> its a good way to run and learn it without installing into your hard drive..until your ready
[21:43] <Ben_Monkey> nice thanks ;)
[21:45] <Ben_Monkey> i find i learn best when i can talk things over, get the big concepts down in my head
[21:45] <Ben_Monkey> how do people do that these days short of having a saavy friend ?
[22:05] <Ben_Monkey> removing them reinstalling xfce... anyone
[22:05] <Ben_Monkey> from command line;)
[22:16] <Ben_Monkey> never mind working the google
[22:45] <molecule_> HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! 2010