[00:26] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: did you figure out where tracert same from?
[00:26] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Nope
[00:30] <bjsnider> if you just try to apt-get install traceroute it will tell you what package it is in
[00:30] <penguin42> bjsnider: Except it's not in any package any more
[00:30] <geser> it was a symlink created by traceroute and got dropped in the version of traceroute in lucid
[00:30] <bjsnider> it was called tracert in windows at one point
[00:30] <geser> see http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/traceroute/news/20091107T160943Z.html
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> this is the funny part
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> alex-mayorga@VPCCW1FFXL:~$ tracert The program 'tracert' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install traceroute tracert: command not found
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> have to go again, but I think it's a bug
[00:42] <alex_mayorga> Happy 2010 everyone!
[00:42] <penguin42> yeh I agree that is a bug
[00:42]  * penguin42 doesn't know what database that comes from
[00:52] <yofel> bjsnider: short question on the nvidia 195 vdpau package: why the heck does glx-195-dev depend on glx-195 (>=195.30) and at the same time conflict with glx-195 (>=195.23) ???
[00:53] <bjsnider> yofel, let me get back to you on that
[00:53] <yofel> ok
[00:54]  * bjsnider runs and hides under a large table
[00:54] <yofel> lol
[00:56] <bjsnider> that is a typo. it should conflict with the -dev package marked 195.31 or later
[00:57] <bjsnider> i'm switching all of this over when the new scripts are done because paying attention to 47 scripts in there isn't feasible
[00:58] <bjsnider> i mean that is the literal truth. there are 47 files in the debian directory for the nvidia blob
[00:59] <bjsnider> the nwe way everything is scripted using variables and the only thing that changes from one driver to the next is the changelog
[01:00] <yofel> sounds interesting
[01:00] <yofel> well, 190 works well enough
[01:00] <bjsnider> you meant he 195 won't install?
[01:01] <yofel> well, 195 will, but -dev not
[01:01] <yofel> is the -dev package now obsolete or?
[01:01]  * bjsnider eats the barrel of a shotgun
[01:02] <yofel> hey, I didn't want to take a few hours to test if it'll work fine or not and just used 190 ;)
[01:02] <bjsnider> actually all 3 drivers work with lucid
[01:02] <bjsnider> but if you're unfortunate enough to use kde you should be using the 195
[01:02] <yofel> ...
[01:03]  * yofel goes trying 195 after all then
[01:03] <bjsnider> the 195 has huge xrender performance improvements
[01:03] <yofel> ok, thanks, I'll remember that
[01:03] <bjsnider> there's a whole thread about it at the nvforums
[01:03] <bjsnider> but now i have to upload a new fixed 195 thanks to you
[01:03] <bjsnider> it's all your fault
[01:05]  * yofel wonders if imitating marvin would be justified in such a case...
[01:06] <penguin42> brain the size of a planet, and ...
[01:06] <penguin42> ?
[01:06] <yofel> not that part, the depressed one
[01:08] <Tscheesy> !thx ;)
[01:09] <Tscheesy> !ty
[01:55] <bjsnider> !info flashplugin-nonfree lucid
[01:56] <bjsnider> !info flashplugin-installer lucid
[02:20] <DanaG> 00:1f.6 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) Thermal Subsystem (rev 03)
[02:20] <DanaG> interesting, the things you can get by un-disabling ports. =þ
[02:20] <DanaG> Not that this "Thermal Subsystem" device seems to do ANYthing.
[02:26] <bjsnider> DanaG, heat sensor?
[02:26] <DanaG> Not sure... it's a device that I've never seen before, that's disabled normally.
[02:27] <DanaG> Unfortunately, I still can't get my smbus back, despite it not having been disabled by that register!
[02:27] <DanaG> HP must've done something really weird to hide the smbus.
[03:08] <bjsnider> yofel, 195 driver update solves the dependency issue
[03:09] <yofel> thx, now I just need to figure out why the heck dpkg tells me it conflicts against glx-195 (>=190.31) instead of 195.31 like it's supposed to
[03:10] <yofel> this doesn't make any sense...
[03:12] <yofel> hm, debian/upstream_info has 190.31 as NEXTVER
[03:12] <bjsnider> it's always had one point greater than the current version
[03:13] <bjsnider> wait, it says 190?
[03:13] <yofel> yeah, but shouldn't it be 195.31, not 190.31?
[03:13] <bjsnider> not 195
[03:13] <yofel> yes
[03:13] <bjsnider> let me chekc
[03:13] <yofel> that's why I'm confused
[03:19] <bjsnider> alright, problem solved. new builds should be starting
[03:21] <bjsnider> yofel, what do you need the -dev package for?
[03:29] <yofel> well, for what I need the mesa packages would be sufficient, I just got used to install the nvidia ones instead and I was seriously confused about what dpkg was telling me the whole time
[03:29] <yofel> and I like to debug things :P
[03:30] <yofel> thx for taking your time to fix it :)
[03:30] <bjsnider> well, it shouldn't have been broken in the first place, and nobody sent me any bug reports about it
[03:31] <bjsnider> but it is difficult to pay attention to 47 files
[03:31] <yofel> yeah, I looked at the source package myself now, not easy
[03:33] <bjsnider> alberto's changing it all around so everything is scripted using variables generated from the names of hte nvidia .run packages, so no more screwups after that
[03:34] <yofel> :D
[03:45] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: whatever happen to the 64 bit flash plugin installer you've hacked?
[03:46] <bjsnider> i've got it in a ppa
[03:47] <bjsnider> i changed it so that it also takes over the 32-bit plugin
[06:00] <musikgoat> Happy New Year!
[06:45] <\vish> could someone confirm Bug #498183 ?
[06:47] <crimsun> doen
[06:47] <crimsun> done *
[07:03] <\vish> thanks
[07:09] <Hew> I'm getting random crashes on Lucid when playing Nexuiz and when using gedit. Usually it results in an instant restart, sometimes it just seems to totally break the WM. I managed to save output from dmesg from a virtual terminal this latest time http://paste.ubuntu.com/349837/ . Does anyone know what the problem is, or what bug I should be looking at? Note: running nvidia-glx-195 from PPA.
[08:06] <cyphase> happy new year to everyone on PST :)
[09:36] <Bookman> What is the package name for java?
[09:39] <RAOF> Bookman: Which java?
[09:39] <RAOF> Bookman: You probably want openjdk-6-jre
[09:39] <Bookman> RAOF, I need java in Firefox
[09:40] <RAOF> Oh.  Then go to a site that uses a Java plugin, and firefox will offer to install the Java plugin for you.  At least, I think it should :)
[09:40] <Bookman> No, it did not :(
[09:40] <RAOF> Failing that, sun-java6-plugin
[09:43] <Bookman> giving it a shot now!
[09:45] <Bookman> Perfectamundo.  Many thanks.
[09:47] <Bookman> I just wanted to play some old arcade games from Namco.
[09:47] <Bookman> Works wonderful.
[11:57] <slacker_nl>  does anyone know in which log i need to look for keyboard errors?
[11:57] <slacker_nl> i don't have a keyboard anymore on both debian unstable and ubuntu lucid
[11:58] <slacker_nl> i can login and then no keyboard..
[12:06] <joaopinto> slacker_nl, can you switch to a VT with ctrl-alt-f1 and type there ?
[12:09] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: negative
[12:09] <slacker_nl> no keyboard at all, can try it when I'm not logged in..
[12:10] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: i have keyboard funcionality when 'm in the kdm greeter (aka, login prompt)
[12:10] <joaopinto> slacker_nl, ok, so it's something X session related
[12:10] <joaopinto> slacker_nl, did you check Xorg logs ?
[12:11] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: i had a quick look bu saw nothing
[12:11] <joaopinto> :|
[12:13] <slacker_nl> joaopinto: the plots thinks, i can switch to a vt, but no dice after that
[12:14] <slacker_nl> i'll try to downgrade xorg packages to karmic see if that resolves anything, and compare both debian/ubuntu packages with eachother
[16:24] <freinhard> hi!
[16:25] <freinhard> does anyone know if the gallium3d i965 driver does support i915?
[17:00] <penguin42> is anyone seeing any problems with chromium opening windows too tall for the screen recently?
[17:11] <crimsun> not for a while, purportedly
[17:11] <crimsun> granted my WM constrains borders, so applications have no such control
[17:12] <penguin42> crimsun: I'm not sure if it's since I went to Lcuid, since I installed xedger's packages or this cut of chromium - hmm
[17:13] <rr72> there a known issue about sound not working on laptops?
[17:13] <crimsun> Installed: 4.0.286.0~svn20091231r35406-0ubuntu1~ucd1
[17:13] <crimsun> rr72: maybe, depends on your hw
[17:13]  * rr72 wagves to crimsun :-D HI!
[17:14] <rr72> *waves
[17:14] <bjsnider> penguin42, that chromium bug had to do with flash video that was below the visible screen area. it was fixed a few days ago.
[17:15] <rr72> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[17:15] <crimsun> rr72: that means nothing
[17:15] <crimsun> use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[17:16] <rr72> ok well g2g :( will be back later and will do some reserach :)
[17:17] <cwillu_at_work> crimsun, I have a laptop, the sound broke when I installed a custom alsa to support an maudio usb device;  you think it's the same bug rr72 is seeing?
[17:17] <rr72> cwillu_at_work~ i didnt install any custom alsa though
[17:18] <cwillu_at_work> apparently I should have put a ":p" on the end of that :p
[17:20] <rr72> alsa is not even in a ps
[17:20] <penguin42> bjsnider: Ah cool
[17:23] <rr72> my laptop is not using alsa but pulse i think
[17:23] <penguin42> rr72: Pulse uses alsa
[17:24] <rr72> lol shows how much i know rofl, ok will be back later
[17:30] <crimsun> cwillu_at_work: whether you're joking I don't much care, but yes, all snapshots between 1.0.22's release and Dec 27 were broken.
[17:30] <crimsun> Takashi and I located the bad commit on the 27th; the 27th snap has it fixed
[17:31] <crimsun> of course it doesn't really matter now that 1.0.22.1 is out and available for compilation in Lucid
[17:32] <cwillu_at_work> I was joking, but based on that breakage; convenient to know that it's fixed
[17:57] <penguin42> hmm
[18:42] <BUGabundo> boas o/
[18:44] <BUGabundo> anyone having trouble *renaming* files in nautilus ?!?!?
[18:44] <BUGabundo> its making me MAD
[18:47] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It seems to et me do it right click to get the rename option on the menu
[18:48] <BUGabundo> not even that here penguin42
[18:48] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Curious
[19:12] <BUGabundo> what's jbd2/sda2-8 ? and why is it using MASSIVE amounts of IO ?
[19:13] <penguin42> it's the journalling system
[19:13] <penguin42> are you doing massive amounts of IO ?
[19:14] <BUGabundo> zsyncing a few isos
[19:14] <crimsun> use iotop(1)
[19:14] <BUGabundo> nothing too much
[19:14] <crimsun> well, yes, that would do it
[19:15] <BUGabundo> penguin42: so what's this of journal??
[19:15] <BUGabundo> its a daemon or something ?
[19:16] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I think it's a kernel thread
[19:17] <BUGabundo> I better ionice it then
[19:17] <BUGabundo> $ sudo ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-amd64.iso.zsync
[19:18] <BUGabundo> crimsun: thanks. iotop is cool
[19:20] <BUGabundo> CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %
[19:20] <BUGabundo> mewww
[19:21] <yofel> anyone an idea how to debug firefox freezing on startup? 3.6 and 3.7 have been like  that for a while  for me, but now even 3.5 doesn't work anymore, and strace is full of:
[19:21] <yofel> gettimeofday({1262373402, 225628}, NULL) = 0
[19:21] <yofel> poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=12, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=10, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=31, events=POLLIN}, {fd=32, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN}], 9, 0) = 1 ([{fd=13, revents=POLLHUP}])
[19:21] <yofel> gettimeofday({1262373402, 225965}, NULL) = 0
[19:21] <yofel> read(3, 0xb767d058, 4096)               = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[19:21] <penguin42> yofel: It'll be difficult, if you look in /proc/whatever/fd you'll be able to see what 3 is connected to
[19:22] <penguin42> yofel: You could try an ltrace, but if I was to bet I'd say a plugin is most likely
[19:22] <yofel> penguin42: that was an strace of firefox -safe-mode and even the safe mode config window is frozen
[19:23] <yofel> more like: it seems to be stuck in a loop waiting for a window refresh
[19:23] <penguin42> yofel: Make sure you're traceing all threads - but it'll be difficult to track down; I'd see if it opens any files just before it fails
[19:24] <yofel> ok... I guess I'll inspect my 27MB strace output a bit more
[19:24] <BUGabundo> yofel: $ firefox-3.X -g --safe-mode
[19:24] <BUGabundo> where X is 5,6,7 :
[19:24] <penguin42> yofel: You could try ltrace
[20:47] <rr72> crimsun~ alsa-info errors out but dumps a file, ie i get not found when i try --help as a param
[20:47] <crimsun> rr72: what command are you using, precisely?
[20:48] <rr72> sh alsa-info.sh from ~
[20:49] <BUGabundo> rr72: missed ./ ?
[20:49] <crimsun> no
[20:49] <crimsun> bash
[20:49] <BUGabundo> or perm?
[20:49] <crimsun> it won't run under dash
[20:49] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:49] <crimsun> and, what BUGabundo implied -- you need to provide the correct path to it
[20:49] <BUGabundo> yofel: $ firefox-3.X -g --safe-mode did it help ?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> rr72: ubuntu doesn't have . in PATH
[20:50] <BUGabundo> unlike pretty much every other distro
[20:50] <BUGabundo> no idea why
[20:50] <BUGabundo> but its ok with me
[20:51] <guntbert> BUGabundo: I don't know of any distro where the admin-user (=root) has . in their path - and since the first user is sort of such,...
[20:52] <BUGabundo> guntbert: I could be wrong, but RH/FC, opensuse, gentoo ?
[20:53] <rr72> crimsun~ would you like to see my alsa-info file?
[20:54] <guntbert> BUGabundo: I definitely know about suse - but it is generally regarded as highly risky to have . in root's path
[20:55] <BUGabundo> guntbert: I know... that's why I said I'm fine with it
[20:57] <guntbert> BUGabundo: in my time I tested "a few" distros - but I don't remember finding . in root's path - that doesn't mean it is never set
[20:57] <crimsun> rr72: I need the url
[20:58] <rr72> http://pastebin.com/f3945630f
[21:00] <crimsun> rr72: lines 402-403 of your paste
[21:00] <alphaaquilae> hello, i want to establish a password that forbid other users of my computer to read my emails, the probleme with the master password is that any user can read the messages which are on my conputer, any idea?
[21:00] <TeLe_ghost> ya, dont let them use it
[21:00] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: you create a separate account for every use
[21:01] <guntbert> *user
[21:01] <rr72> crimsun~ i swera it was not mutied
[21:02] <rr72> maybe an issue with my hotkeys. wow i feel so stupid, am sorry
[21:04] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: and if it is a temp user, use FUSA Guest Session
[21:16] <alphaaquilae> it doesn't resolve the problem
[21:17] <alphaaquilae> guntbert: any user can read the e mails that are in my hd
[21:17] <alphaaquilae> BUGabundo: i need to keep the same session
[21:17] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: you cannot keep the same session with different users
[21:19] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: you can have as many sessions open at once
[21:19] <alphaaquilae> guntbert: i want to forbid other users who can use my laptop, my room mate for example to read my emails if i go to the toilette for 2 minutes :)
[21:19] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: then lock your notebook when you leave it (lock screen)
[21:20] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: that's called LOCK SCREEN
[21:20] <BUGabundo> duh
[21:20] <BUGabundo> I have mine set to 2 min
[21:20] <alphaaquilae> BUGabundo: in the same way, i want to lock just thunderbird
[21:20] <BUGabundo> cause at work, eveyone thinks they  are l33t hackers
[21:20] <guntbert> BUGabundo: I have mine connected with blueproximity
[21:21] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: make/search for a plugin
[21:21] <BUGabundo> guntbert: yeah that's col
[21:21] <BUGabundo> *cool
[21:21] <alphaaquilae> that's what i was looking for but in vain
[21:22] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: click on the "lock" icon, select "lock screen" you can even assing a key sequence
[21:22] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: *make* a plugin
[21:22] <alphaaquilae> guntbert: i don't want to lock the scree! but just thunderbird
[21:23] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: plus try #ubuntu-mozillateam
[21:23] <alphaaquilae> BUGabundo: i'm afraid i can't
[21:23] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: screen lock is the best way
[21:23] <BUGabundo> and create accounts for other users
[21:23] <BUGabundo> its easy, and respects UNIX fundamental Stone:
[21:23] <BUGabundo> KISS
[21:23] <BUGabundo> !KISS
[21:23] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: believe me - lock the screen
[21:23] <BUGabundo> ignorant bot
[21:23] <alphaaquilae> guntbert : now i can't
[21:24] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: why not?
[21:24] <alphaaquilae> guntbert: in the case that my room mate want to use my computer
[21:26] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae:  create accounts for other users
[21:26] <BUGabundo> why are you blocking in this ?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> its SOOOOO easy
[21:26] <BUGabundo> btw
[21:26] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: are you running lucid?
[21:26] <guntbert> alphaaquilae: If you cannot tell him "no" - there is not much we can do - except you switch to "guest session" in that case
[21:28] <alphaaquilae> BUGabundo: non kramic
[21:28] <BUGabundo> alphaaquilae: then please go to #ubuntu  :D
[21:28] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:28] <BUGabundo> +1 is meant for support and discussion of devel versions of ubuntu .
[21:29] <BUGabundo> thanks for choosing [air plane] company
[21:29] <alphaaquilae> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ok ,sorry ^^
[21:32] <bjsnider> #ubuntu, the noisiest channel on freenode, i'm guessing
[21:33] <guntbert> bjsnider: depends on your interpretation for "noisy" :-)
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I bet bjsnider never went to ##offtopic
[21:39] <yofel> BUGabundo: back, do you know how to get a backtrace of all threads in gdb?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> yofel: type bt
[21:42] <yofel> that will give me a backtrace
[21:42] <BUGabundo> anyone knows if wget can do parallel downloads, instead of serial?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> yofel: wasn't that what you asked ?
[21:43] <yofel> BUGabundo: yeah, but gdb tells me that several threads were launched, bt will give me the backtrace of one
[21:44] <yofel> but I doubt that gdb will help me much here anyway
[21:44] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[21:44] <BUGabundo> you want to run it in single thread
[21:44] <BUGabundo> yofel: better ask micha in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[21:45] <yofel> ok, I'll do that tomorrow when I have more time
[21:45] <yofel> thanks
[21:45] <BUGabundo> I just did
[21:45] <BUGabundo> lets see if I get a reply
[21:50] <BUGabundo> great... GPM broken again
[21:50] <BUGabundo> there I go running it in debug mode again
[21:50] <BUGabundo> jiza
[22:35] <BUGabundo> Amaranth_: humm any hints on how can I fix my apps compiz expose plugin?
[22:35] <BUGabundo> using it just blanks my screen :(
[22:35] <BUGabundo> Amaranth_: sorry, not apps, desktop
[23:10] <gnubie> interesting, installed nvidia's 195.30 driver and it works like a champ. For the moment that is ...
[23:12] <gnubie> of course a reboot on an alpha is like a box of chocolates ...
[23:12] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:13] <gnubie> I used that line on the Windows95 beta and the $MS monitors removed in about 2 mins.
[23:20] <gnubie> hey, rebooted fine and the nvidia logo had a big red BETA notice
[23:23] <gnubie> oops, have to reset visual effects to normal to get a decent title bar on a window
[23:30] <BUGabundo> is there a plugin for Ch or FF to use Desktop CouchDB
[23:35] <RAOF> I wouldn't think so, no.
[23:36] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure chromium doesn't expose that depth of functionality to plugins, and I'm not sure that FF does, either.
[23:37] <BUGabundo> don't be so sure ra
[23:37] <BUGabundo> RAOF: (11:34:12 PM) seg|ars: BUGabundo: one of the guys at canonical made a firefox plugin called bindwood that uses desktop couchdb to sync bookmarks
[23:42] <RAOF> Hm, cool.
[23:43] <RAOF> But that's not actually what I'd want in my FF/couchdb integration; I'd want to sync the awesomebar, history and such.
[23:46] <crimsun> heh. I keep no history, bookmarks, cache, cookies, etc.
[23:46] <crimsun> I do wish I could more easily (and "securely") automate the deletion of ~/.macromedia/* , though.
[23:46] <penguin42> crimsun: shmfs
[23:47] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I want HISTORY only
[23:47] <BUGabundo> for firefox + chromium
[23:47] <BUGabundo> there's weave, buts its FF only
[23:47] <BUGabundo> and very unstable
[23:47] <BUGabundo> crimsun: +1 on flash :(
[23:47] <BUGabundo> crimsun: so you use private browsing *all* the time?
[23:48] <crimsun> BUGabundo: absolutely.
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I would *DIE* without my history
[23:48] <BUGabundo> its what keeps me sane
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I HATE how Chromium history works
[23:48] <crimsun> I thought I would do the same, but all my really important history is kept in Google Reader
[23:48] <BUGabundo> for a company the makes the supposely best search engine
[23:48] <BUGabundo> they suck at history search
[23:48] <BUGabundo> FF Awesome bar is trully AWESOME
[23:49] <BUGabundo> crimsun: you do know greader only store last 5k items and 1 yo , right?
[23:49] <crimsun> I'm certain that I'm not using its functionality
[23:49] <penguin42> crimsun: Reader is nice; although why it keeps recommending candian recipeezaa I don't know!
[23:49] <crimsun> BUGabundo: for my daily RSS, that's more than sufficient
[23:49] <BUGabundo> I can *never* find anything with GReader search
[23:50]  * penguin42 finds the key bindings nice
[23:50] <crimsun> I use zero inbox for everything
[23:50] <BUGabundo> crimsun: anything usefull you share, I wanna read?
[23:50] <crimsun> no idea
[23:50] <BUGabundo> or you want to add mine ?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> http://feeds.bugabundo.net/bugabundo-sharedfeed
[23:50] <crimsun> if yours is shared I might have a look next year
[23:50] <BUGabundo> there you go
[23:50] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[23:51] <BUGabundo> well I have a comples yet smart meta-tag system
[23:51] <BUGabundo> all my feeds are in one or more tags
[23:51] <BUGabundo> and then I have 6 or 7 meta tags, to prioritize then
[23:51] <BUGabundo> so I start the day by fab, grow from there
[23:52] <BUGabundo> that assures me I always read what's more important to me
[23:52] <BUGabundo> and low interess stuff gets its time, when I'm done with more pressing/interessing stuff
[23:53] <crimsun> I just *had* to pick a frikkin toolkit to merge.
[23:53] <crimsun> at this rate I'll be able to run piuparts on it in five hours.
[23:56] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:56] <BUGabundo> when will those mergers be more automatic?
[23:56] <crimsun> some of them are there-ish, see wiki/DistributedDevelopment