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alex_mayorgapenguin42: did you figure out where tracert same from?00:26
penguin42alex_mayorga: Nope00:26
bjsniderif you just try to apt-get install traceroute it will tell you what package it is in00:30
penguin42bjsnider: Except it's not in any package any more00:30
geserit was a symlink created by traceroute and got dropped in the version of traceroute in lucid00:30
bjsniderit was called tracert in windows at one point00:30
gesersee http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/traceroute/news/20091107T160943Z.html00:30
alex_mayorgathis is the funny part00:41
alex_mayorgaalex-mayorga@VPCCW1FFXL:~$ tracert The program 'tracert' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install traceroute tracert: command not found00:41
alex_mayorgahave to go again, but I think it's a bug00:41
alex_mayorgaHappy 2010 everyone!00:42
penguin42yeh I agree that is a bug00:42
* penguin42 doesn't know what database that comes from00:42
yofelbjsnider: short question on the nvidia 195 vdpau package: why the heck does glx-195-dev depend on glx-195 (>=195.30) and at the same time conflict with glx-195 (>=195.23) ???00:52
bjsnideryofel, let me get back to you on that00:53
yofelok00:53
* bjsnider runs and hides under a large table00:54
yofellol00:54
bjsniderthat is a typo. it should conflict with the -dev package marked 195.31 or later00:56
bjsnideri'm switching all of this over when the new scripts are done because paying attention to 47 scripts in there isn't feasible00:57
bjsnideri mean that is the literal truth. there are 47 files in the debian directory for the nvidia blob00:58
bjsniderthe nwe way everything is scripted using variables and the only thing that changes from one driver to the next is the changelog00:59
yofelsounds interesting01:00
yofelwell, 190 works well enough01:00
bjsnideryou meant he 195 won't install?01:00
yofelwell, 195 will, but -dev not01:01
yofelis the -dev package now obsolete or?01:01
* bjsnider eats the barrel of a shotgun01:01
yofelhey, I didn't want to take a few hours to test if it'll work fine or not and just used 190 ;)01:02
bjsnideractually all 3 drivers work with lucid01:02
bjsniderbut if you're unfortunate enough to use kde you should be using the 19501:02
yofel...01:02
* yofel goes trying 195 after all then01:03
bjsniderthe 195 has huge xrender performance improvements01:03
yofelok, thanks, I'll remember that01:03
bjsniderthere's a whole thread about it at the nvforums01:03
bjsniderbut now i have to upload a new fixed 195 thanks to you01:03
bjsniderit's all your fault01:03
* yofel wonders if imitating marvin would be justified in such a case...01:05
penguin42brain the size of a planet, and ...01:06
penguin42?01:06
yofelnot that part, the depressed one01:06
Tscheesy!thx ;)01:08
Tscheesy!ty01:09
ubottuYou're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)01:09
bjsnider!info flashplugin-nonfree lucid01:55
ubottuflashplugin-nonfree (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10.0.42.34ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 1 kB, installed size 40 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)01:55
bjsnider!info flashplugin-installer lucid01:56
ubottuflashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10.0.42.34ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 19 kB, installed size 184 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)01:56
DanaG00:1f.6 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) Thermal Subsystem (rev 03)02:20
DanaGinteresting, the things you can get by un-disabling ports. =รพ02:20
DanaGNot that this "Thermal Subsystem" device seems to do ANYthing.02:20
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bjsniderDanaG, heat sensor?02:26
DanaGNot sure... it's a device that I've never seen before, that's disabled normally.02:26
DanaGUnfortunately, I still can't get my smbus back, despite it not having been disabled by that register!02:27
DanaGHP must've done something really weird to hide the smbus.02:27
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bjsnideryofel, 195 driver update solves the dependency issue03:08
yofelthx, now I just need to figure out why the heck dpkg tells me it conflicts against glx-195 (>=190.31) instead of 195.31 like it's supposed to03:09
yofelthis doesn't make any sense...03:10
yofelhm, debian/upstream_info has 190.31 as NEXTVER03:12
bjsniderit's always had one point greater than the current version03:12
bjsniderwait, it says 190?03:13
yofelyeah, but shouldn't it be 195.31, not 190.31?03:13
bjsnidernot 19503:13
yofelyes03:13
bjsniderlet me chekc03:13
yofelthat's why I'm confused03:13
bjsnideralright, problem solved. new builds should be starting03:19
bjsnideryofel, what do you need the -dev package for?03:21
yofelwell, for what I need the mesa packages would be sufficient, I just got used to install the nvidia ones instead and I was seriously confused about what dpkg was telling me the whole time03:29
yofeland I like to debug things :P03:29
yofelthx for taking your time to fix it :)03:30
bjsniderwell, it shouldn't have been broken in the first place, and nobody sent me any bug reports about it03:30
bjsniderbut it is difficult to pay attention to 47 files03:31
yofelyeah, I looked at the source package myself now, not easy03:31
bjsnideralberto's changing it all around so everything is scripted using variables generated from the names of hte nvidia .run packages, so no more screwups after that03:33
yofel:D03:34
alex_mayorgabjsnider: whatever happen to the 64 bit flash plugin installer you've hacked?03:45
bjsnideri've got it in a ppa03:46
bjsnideri changed it so that it also takes over the 32-bit plugin03:47
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musikgoatHappy New Year!06:00
\vishcould someone confirm Bug #498183 ?06:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 498183 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox menu does not recognize the player state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49818306:45
crimsundoen06:47
crimsundone *06:47
\vishthanks07:03
HewI'm getting random crashes on Lucid when playing Nexuiz and when using gedit. Usually it results in an instant restart, sometimes it just seems to totally break the WM. I managed to save output from dmesg from a virtual terminal this latest time http://paste.ubuntu.com/349837/ . Does anyone know what the problem is, or what bug I should be looking at? Note: running nvidia-glx-195 from PPA.07:09
cyphasehappy new year to everyone on PST :)08:06
BookmanWhat is the package name for java?09:36
RAOFBookman: Which java?09:39
RAOFBookman: You probably want openjdk-6-jre09:39
BookmanRAOF, I need java in Firefox09:39
RAOFOh.  Then go to a site that uses a Java plugin, and firefox will offer to install the Java plugin for you.  At least, I think it should :)09:40
BookmanNo, it did not :(09:40
RAOFFailing that, sun-java6-plugin09:40
Bookmangiving it a shot now!09:43
BookmanPerfectamundo.  Many thanks.09:45
BookmanI just wanted to play some old arcade games from Namco.09:47
BookmanWorks wonderful.09:47
slacker_nl does anyone know in which log i need to look for keyboard errors?11:57
slacker_nli don't have a keyboard anymore on both debian unstable and ubuntu lucid11:57
slacker_nli can login and then no keyboard..11:58
joaopintoslacker_nl, can you switch to a VT with ctrl-alt-f1 and type there ?12:06
slacker_nljoaopinto: negative12:09
slacker_nlno keyboard at all, can try it when I'm not logged in..12:09
slacker_nljoaopinto: i have keyboard funcionality when 'm in the kdm greeter (aka, login prompt)12:10
joaopintoslacker_nl, ok, so it's something X session related12:10
joaopintoslacker_nl, did you check Xorg logs ?12:10
slacker_nljoaopinto: i had a quick look bu saw nothing12:11
joaopinto:|12:11
slacker_nljoaopinto: the plots thinks, i can switch to a vt, but no dice after that12:13
slacker_nli'll try to downgrade xorg packages to karmic see if that resolves anything, and compare both debian/ubuntu packages with eachother12:14
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freinhardhi!16:24
freinharddoes anyone know if the gallium3d i965 driver does support i915?16:25
penguin42is anyone seeing any problems with chromium opening windows too tall for the screen recently?17:00
crimsunnot for a while, purportedly17:11
crimsungranted my WM constrains borders, so applications have no such control17:11
penguin42crimsun: I'm not sure if it's since I went to Lcuid, since I installed xedger's packages or this cut of chromium - hmm17:12
rr72there a known issue about sound not working on laptops?17:13
crimsunInstalled: 4.0.286.0~svn20091231r35406-0ubuntu1~ucd117:13
crimsunrr72: maybe, depends on your hw17:13
* rr72 wagves to crimsun :-D HI!17:13
rr72*waves17:14
bjsniderpenguin42, that chromium bug had to do with flash video that was below the visible screen area. it was fixed a few days ago.17:14
rr7200:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)17:15
crimsunrr72: that means nothing17:15
crimsunuse http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh17:15
rr72ok well g2g :( will be back later and will do some reserach :)17:16
cwillu_at_workcrimsun, I have a laptop, the sound broke when I installed a custom alsa to support an maudio usb device;  you think it's the same bug rr72 is seeing?17:17
rr72cwillu_at_work~ i didnt install any custom alsa though17:17
cwillu_at_workapparently I should have put a ":p" on the end of that :p17:18
rr72alsa is not even in a ps17:20
penguin42bjsnider: Ah cool17:20
rr72my laptop is not using alsa but pulse i think17:23
penguin42rr72: Pulse uses alsa17:23
rr72lol shows how much i know rofl, ok will be back later17:24
crimsuncwillu_at_work: whether you're joking I don't much care, but yes, all snapshots between 1.0.22's release and Dec 27 were broken.17:30
crimsunTakashi and I located the bad commit on the 27th; the 27th snap has it fixed17:30
crimsunof course it doesn't really matter now that 1.0.22.1 is out and available for compilation in Lucid17:31
cwillu_at_workI was joking, but based on that breakage; convenient to know that it's fixed17:32
penguin42hmm17:57
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BUGabundoboas o/18:42
BUGabundoanyone having trouble *renaming* files in nautilus ?!?!?18:44
BUGabundoits making me MAD18:44
penguin42BUGabundo: It seems to et me do it right click to get the rename option on the menu18:47
BUGabundonot even that here penguin4218:48
penguin42BUGabundo: Curious18:48
BUGabundowhat's jbd2/sda2-8 ? and why is it using MASSIVE amounts of IO ?19:12
penguin42it's the journalling system19:13
penguin42are you doing massive amounts of IO ?19:13
BUGabundozsyncing a few isos19:14
crimsunuse iotop(1)19:14
BUGabundonothing too much19:14
crimsunwell, yes, that would do it19:14
BUGabundopenguin42: so what's this of journal??19:15
BUGabundoits a daemon or something ?19:15
penguin42BUGabundo: I think it's a kernel thread19:16
BUGabundoI better ionice it then19:17
BUGabundo$ sudo ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-amd64.iso.zsync19:17
BUGabundocrimsun: thanks. iotop is cool19:18
BUGabundoCONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %19:20
BUGabundomewww19:20
yofelanyone an idea how to debug firefox freezing on startup? 3.6 and 3.7 have been like  that for a while  for me, but now even 3.5 doesn't work anymore, and strace is full of:19:21
yofelgettimeofday({1262373402, 225628}, NULL) = 019:21
yofelpoll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=12, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=10, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=31, events=POLLIN}, {fd=32, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN}], 9, 0) = 1 ([{fd=13, revents=POLLHUP}])19:21
yofelgettimeofday({1262373402, 225965}, NULL) = 019:21
yofelread(3, 0xb767d058, 4096)               = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)19:21
penguin42yofel: It'll be difficult, if you look in /proc/whatever/fd you'll be able to see what 3 is connected to19:21
penguin42yofel: You could try an ltrace, but if I was to bet I'd say a plugin is most likely19:22
yofelpenguin42: that was an strace of firefox -safe-mode and even the safe mode config window is frozen19:22
yofelmore like: it seems to be stuck in a loop waiting for a window refresh19:23
penguin42yofel: Make sure you're traceing all threads - but it'll be difficult to track down; I'd see if it opens any files just before it fails19:23
yofelok... I guess I'll inspect my 27MB strace output a bit more19:24
BUGabundoyofel: $ firefox-3.X -g --safe-mode19:24
BUGabundowhere X is 5,6,7 :19:24
penguin42yofel: You could try ltrace19:24
rr72crimsun~ alsa-info errors out but dumps a file, ie i get not found when i try --help as a param20:47
crimsunrr72: what command are you using, precisely?20:47
rr72sh alsa-info.sh from ~20:48
BUGabundorr72: missed ./ ?20:49
crimsunno20:49
crimsunbash20:49
BUGabundoor perm?20:49
crimsunit won't run under dash20:49
BUGabundoahh20:49
crimsunand, what BUGabundo implied -- you need to provide the correct path to it20:49
BUGabundoyofel: $ firefox-3.X -g --safe-mode did it help ?20:49
BUGabundorr72: ubuntu doesn't have . in PATH20:50
BUGabundounlike pretty much every other distro20:50
BUGabundono idea why20:50
BUGabundobut its ok with me20:50
guntbertBUGabundo: I don't know of any distro where the admin-user (=root) has . in their path - and since the first user is sort of such,...20:51
BUGabundoguntbert: I could be wrong, but RH/FC, opensuse, gentoo ?20:52
rr72crimsun~ would you like to see my alsa-info file?20:53
guntbertBUGabundo: I definitely know about suse - but it is generally regarded as highly risky to have . in root's path20:54
BUGabundoguntbert: I know... that's why I said I'm fine with it20:55
guntbertBUGabundo: in my time I tested "a few" distros - but I don't remember finding . in root's path - that doesn't mean it is never set20:57
crimsunrr72: I need the url20:57
rr72http://pastebin.com/f3945630f20:58
crimsunrr72: lines 402-403 of your paste21:00
alphaaquilaehello, i want to establish a password that forbid other users of my computer to read my emails, the probleme with the master password is that any user can read the messages which are on my conputer, any idea?21:00
TeLe_ghostya, dont let them use it21:00
guntbertalphaaquilae: you create a separate account for every use21:00
guntbert*user21:01
rr72crimsun~ i swera it was not mutied21:01
rr72maybe an issue with my hotkeys. wow i feel so stupid, am sorry21:02
BUGabundoalphaaquilae: and if it is a temp user, use FUSA Guest Session21:04
alphaaquilaeit doesn't resolve the problem21:16
alphaaquilaeguntbert: any user can read the e mails that are in my hd21:17
alphaaquilaeBUGabundo: i need to keep the same session21:17
guntbertalphaaquilae: you cannot keep the same session with different users21:17
BUGabundoalphaaquilae: you can have as many sessions open at once21:19
alphaaquilaeguntbert: i want to forbid other users who can use my laptop, my room mate for example to read my emails if i go to the toilette for 2 minutes :)21:19
guntbertalphaaquilae: then lock your notebook when you leave it (lock screen)21:19
BUGabundoalphaaquilae: that's called LOCK SCREEN21:20
BUGabundoduh21:20
BUGabundoI have mine set to 2 min21:20
alphaaquilaeBUGabundo: in the same way, i want to lock just thunderbird21:20
BUGabundocause at work, eveyone thinks they  are l33t hackers21:20
guntbertBUGabundo: I have mine connected with blueproximity21:20
BUGabundoalphaaquilae: make/search for a plugin21:21
BUGabundoguntbert: yeah that's col21:21
BUGabundo*cool21:21
alphaaquilaethat's what i was looking for but in vain21:21
guntbertalphaaquilae: click on the "lock" icon, select "lock screen" you can even assing a key sequence21:22
BUGabundoalphaaquilae: *make* a plugin21:22
alphaaquilaeguntbert: i don't want to lock the scree! but just thunderbird21:22
BUGabundoalphaaquilae: plus try #ubuntu-mozillateam21:23
alphaaquilaeBUGabundo: i'm afraid i can't21:23
BUGabundoalphaaquilae: screen lock is the best way21:23
BUGabundoand create accounts for other users21:23
BUGabundoits easy, and respects UNIX fundamental Stone:21:23
BUGabundoKISS21:23
BUGabundo!KISS21:23
guntbertalphaaquilae: believe me - lock the screen21:23
BUGabundoignorant bot21:23
alphaaquilaeguntbert : now i can't21:23
guntbertalphaaquilae: why not?21:24
alphaaquilaeguntbert: in the case that my room mate want to use my computer21:24
BUGabundoalphaaquilae:  create accounts for other users21:26
BUGabundowhy are you blocking in this ?21:26
BUGabundoits SOOOOO easy21:26
BUGabundobtw21:26
BUGabundoalphaaquilae: are you running lucid?21:26
guntbertalphaaquilae: If you cannot tell him "no" - there is not much we can do - except you switch to "guest session" in that case21:26
alphaaquilaeBUGabundo: non kramic21:28
BUGabundoalphaaquilae: then please go to #ubuntu  :D21:28
BUGabundothanks21:28
BUGabundo+1 is meant for support and discussion of devel versions of ubuntu .21:28
BUGabundothanks for choosing [air plane] company21:29
alphaaquilaeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ok ,sorry ^^21:29
bjsnider#ubuntu, the noisiest channel on freenode, i'm guessing21:32
guntbertbjsnider: depends on your interpretation for "noisy" :-)21:33
BUGabundoI bet bjsnider never went to ##offtopic21:37
yofelBUGabundo: back, do you know how to get a backtrace of all threads in gdb?21:39
BUGabundoyofel: type bt21:39
yofelthat will give me a backtrace21:42
BUGabundoanyone knows if wget can do parallel downloads, instead of serial?21:42
BUGabundoyofel: wasn't that what you asked ?21:42
yofelBUGabundo: yeah, but gdb tells me that several threads were launched, bt will give me the backtrace of one21:43
yofelbut I doubt that gdb will help me much here anyway21:44
BUGabundoahhh21:44
BUGabundoyou want to run it in single thread21:44
BUGabundoyofel: better ask micha in #ubuntu-mozillateam21:44
yofelok, I'll do that tomorrow when I have more time21:45
yofelthanks21:45
BUGabundoI just did21:45
BUGabundolets see if I get a reply21:45
BUGabundogreat... GPM broken again21:50
BUGabundothere I go running it in debug mode again21:50
BUGabundojiza21:50
BUGabundoAmaranth_: humm any hints on how can I fix my apps compiz expose plugin?22:35
BUGabundousing it just blanks my screen :(22:35
BUGabundoAmaranth_: sorry, not apps, desktop22:35
gnubieinteresting, installed nvidia's 195.30 driver and it works like a champ. For the moment that is ...23:10
gnubieof course a reboot on an alpha is like a box of chocolates ...23:12
BUGabundololol23:12
gnubieI used that line on the Windows95 beta and the $MS monitors removed in about 2 mins.23:13
gnubiehey, rebooted fine and the nvidia logo had a big red BETA notice23:20
gnubieoops, have to reset visual effects to normal to get a decent title bar on a window23:23
BUGabundois there a plugin for Ch or FF to use Desktop CouchDB23:30
RAOFI wouldn't think so, no.23:35
RAOFI'm pretty sure chromium doesn't expose that depth of functionality to plugins, and I'm not sure that FF does, either.23:36
BUGabundodon't be so sure ra23:37
BUGabundoRAOF: (11:34:12 PM) seg|ars: BUGabundo: one of the guys at canonical made a firefox plugin called bindwood that uses desktop couchdb to sync bookmarks23:37
RAOFHm, cool.23:42
RAOFBut that's not actually what I'd want in my FF/couchdb integration; I'd want to sync the awesomebar, history and such.23:43
crimsunheh. I keep no history, bookmarks, cache, cookies, etc.23:46
crimsunI do wish I could more easily (and "securely") automate the deletion of ~/.macromedia/* , though.23:46
penguin42crimsun: shmfs23:46
BUGabundoRAOF: I want HISTORY only23:47
BUGabundofor firefox + chromium23:47
BUGabundothere's weave, buts its FF only23:47
BUGabundoand very unstable23:47
BUGabundocrimsun: +1 on flash :(23:47
BUGabundocrimsun: so you use private browsing *all* the time?23:47
crimsunBUGabundo: absolutely.23:48
BUGabundoI would *DIE* without my history23:48
BUGabundoits what keeps me sane23:48
BUGabundoI HATE how Chromium history works23:48
crimsunI thought I would do the same, but all my really important history is kept in Google Reader23:48
BUGabundofor a company the makes the supposely best search engine23:48
BUGabundothey suck at history search23:48
BUGabundoFF Awesome bar is trully AWESOME23:48
BUGabundocrimsun: you do know greader only store last 5k items and 1 yo , right?23:49
crimsunI'm certain that I'm not using its functionality23:49
penguin42crimsun: Reader is nice; although why it keeps recommending candian recipeezaa I don't know!23:49
crimsunBUGabundo: for my daily RSS, that's more than sufficient23:49
BUGabundoI can *never* find anything with GReader search23:49
* penguin42 finds the key bindings nice23:50
crimsunI use zero inbox for everything23:50
BUGabundocrimsun: anything usefull you share, I wanna read?23:50
crimsunno idea23:50
BUGabundoor you want to add mine ?23:50
BUGabundohttp://feeds.bugabundo.net/bugabundo-sharedfeed23:50
crimsunif yours is shared I might have a look next year23:50
BUGabundothere you go23:50
BUGabundoLOLOL23:50
BUGabundowell I have a comples yet smart meta-tag system23:51
BUGabundoall my feeds are in one or more tags23:51
BUGabundoand then I have 6 or 7 meta tags, to prioritize then23:51
BUGabundoso I start the day by fab, grow from there23:51
BUGabundothat assures me I always read what's more important to me23:52
BUGabundoand low interess stuff gets its time, when I'm done with more pressing/interessing stuff23:52
crimsunI just *had* to pick a frikkin toolkit to merge.23:53
crimsunat this rate I'll be able to run piuparts on it in five hours.23:53
BUGabundolol23:56
BUGabundowhen will those mergers be more automatic?23:56
crimsunsome of them are there-ish, see wiki/DistributedDevelopment23:56

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