[00:53] <prefrontal>  how do I downgrade from KDE SC 4.4 Beta 2 to 4.3.4, using the Kubuntu PPA?
[00:54] <prefrontal> it's extremely buggy for me. i can't get any work done
[00:55] <shtylman> ScottK: ^
[00:55] <jjesse> evening
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: any opinions on http://imagebin.ca/view/MP_RTspx.html and http://imagebin.ca/view/YxE2rcyo.html ? (I tweaked the colors a bit to match the multicolor logo)
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> eww, jpeg
[03:07]  * JontheEchidna bops ksnapshot
[03:07] <shtylman> yea... that quality failed :)
[03:07] <shtylman> I thought about multicolor.. and tried it
[03:07] <shtylman> I couldn't get it to be right with the lighter color
[03:08] <shtylman> that bottom circle always dissapears on me
[03:08] <shtylman> I want to do multi color as well
[03:08] <shtylman> if we can do something about that lighter color
[03:08]  * shtylman is almost done hacking to make plasoids snap to one another for easier alignment
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> I must admit it is a bit hard to see
[03:08] <shtylman> yea
[03:08] <shtylman> thats the only downside
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> less so with my white christmas background... but... ;P
[03:09] <shtylman> heh
[03:15] <nixternal> hola
[03:15] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: I don't like the multicolor logo, I like the one shtylman linked to in his email -> http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu.png
[03:16] <nixternal> or, maybe a whitish/ghost version of that one
[03:16]  * nixternal crawls back into the hangover hold
[03:16] <nixternal> hol
[03:16] <nixternal> hole
[03:16] <nixternal> jeesh
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:18] <jjesse> that bad eh nixternal?
[03:19] <nixternal> yeah, way to much useless celebrating last night
[03:20] <nixternal> back to chilling...peace out homeskillets
[03:27] <jjesse> peace out bro nixternal
[03:30] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: see the new email the that thread?
[03:30] <shtylman> he does have a point about the small gears
[03:31] <shtylman> but I don't like the logo he presents either
[03:31] <shtylman> also...I tried a shadow... and it didn't look as good as the white glow with air plasma
[03:33] <nixternal> shtylman: link me to that icon...I want to see how it looks with different plasma themes
[03:33] <nixternal> as I am not a fan of air
[03:33] <shtylman> which icon?
[03:35] <nixternal> the one you linked in your screenshot
[03:35] <nixternal> jeesh, the other kubuntu logo is just awful
[03:35] <nixternal> if the logo doesn't look good small, fix the gears so it does....that logo is like the village people's version doing the
[03:35] <nixternal> Y
[03:35] <nixternal> A
[03:36] <nixternal> M
[03:36] <nixternal> C
[03:36] <shtylman> hahahaha
[03:37] <shtylman> http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu-menu.tar.gz
[03:37] <shtylman> that has various sizes
[03:37] <shtylman> I should also post the source
[03:37] <shtylman> dunno why I never packaged that up
[03:38] <nixternal> I don't need the sources..I suck at artwork anyways
[03:38] <shtylman> kk
[03:41] <nixternal> looks good with aya, slim-glow, and another one...stupid workspace must have crashed because now my theme isn't changing, and I have a god awful theme going
[03:41] <shtylman> hahaha
[03:43] <nixternal> man, slim-glow with a smoked icon would look gorgeous
[03:44] <shtylman> smoked?
[03:44] <shtylman> I thought about slim glow with insides removed
[03:44] <shtylman> is that what you mean?
[03:44] <nixternal> kind of
[03:45] <nixternal> actually, yeah, that would be exactly what I am thinking now that I think about
[03:45] <nixternal> that would be whicked hot
[03:45] <nixternal> just a white glow outline
[03:45] <nixternal> umf
[03:56]  * nixternal heads out for real this time
[03:56] <nixternal> later
[06:18]  * shtylman has finished snap feature for plasma :)
[11:22] <wilder> hiall, I'm trying to understand what could go wrong with https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206890
[11:23] <wilder> can it be the case that kbuildsyscoca4 is (or was) not run after installing arora?
[12:44] <KOPRajs> hi there... I'm trying to diasable UnredirectFullscreen option in kwinrc in Kubuntu 9.10... there was a bug for this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/327199) and it was fixed in Jaunty but in Karmic there is the same bug again... what more even when I change the settings as suggested it doesn't work... what can I do? Where can I find patches applied to kwin in Kubuntu?
[13:01] <mgraesslin> KOPRajs: have you restared kwin after changing the option?
[15:15] <KOPRajs> mgraesslin: yes, of course... I've tried even rebooting
[15:15] <KOPRajs> still fullscreen windows are not redirected
[15:20] <KOPRajs> one more question... I needed to use my swap partition as transfer file system for Mac OS X so I changed it's ID and made hfs fs on it... Kubuntu of course started to claim it cannot mount all mounts from fstab upon boot... so far expected
[15:21] <KOPRajs> everything worked but system had no swap
[15:21] <KOPRajs> then I changed partition's ID back and made a swap on it again
[15:22] <KOPRajs> Kubuntu still didn't mount it because of different UUID
[15:23] <KOPRajs> so I edit /etc/fstab and wrote new UUID for swap there
[15:24] <KOPRajs> now Kubuntu automatically mounts swap upon boot and everything works but while booting the Usplash falls to verbose mode every boot
[15:24] <KOPRajs> why?
[15:25] <KOPRajs> there is no error or warning (at least I didn't notice any)
[15:26] <KOPRajs> but in the moment where kernel initialize is complete and Usplash should show booting progress bar with 0% it falls to console
[15:33] <freeflying> KOPRajs: this channel is not for supporting
[15:47] <DaskREEch> Cool
[15:47] <DaskREEch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/FeatureStatus
[15:48]  * DaskREEch winces at online services
[16:13] <jussi01> DaskREEch: youll probably find theres a super big project there that when they have finished it will eat a huge chunk
[16:17] <DaskREEch> Which project?
[16:17] <DaskREEch>  Hooray kernel team though
[16:34] <Mamarok> is there a mesa 7.7 available for Karmic?
[16:36] <DaskREEch> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1368214
[16:37] <Zorael> I'm looking at Karmic's Xsetup and it seems backwards. If kdmrc is set up to not auto login, it displays ksplashx. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
[16:38] <Zorael> The line goes: if grep -q ^AutoLoginEnable=true /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc; then ksplashx Default & fi
[16:39] <Zorael> er, missing a ! there.
[16:39] <Zorael> if ! grep -q ^AutoLoginEnable=true /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc; then ksplashx Default & fi
[16:40] <Zorael> If not enabled, then display
[17:14] <jussi01> DaskREEch: I suspect its the music store, no? ;)
[17:16] <DaskREEch> jussi01: FOSS Music Release Early Release out of tune!
[17:16] <jussi01> lol
[19:15] <ScottK> Lure: Would you please have a look at Bug 497562
[19:16] <ScottK> Riddell: I said I'd put 4.3.4 in karmic-backports if no one objected.  It wasn't clear to me if you were objecting or not?
[19:24] <Riddell> ScottK: just pondering. I think that's fine, go ahead
[19:24] <Riddell> there may wel be a 4.3.5 at some point too
[19:25] <ScottK> If it every gets to the no regressions point we can upload to updates
[19:25] <ScottK> updates/proposed
[19:35] <amichair> ScottK: where would I find a list of known regressions to decide if I should get the backport?
[19:36] <ScottK> amichair: There is a kubuntu-ppa project that gets some bug reports, some bug reports get in under Ubuntu in LP, and sometimes it comes up on IRC and mail lists.  No single place.
[19:37] <amichair> :-/
[19:38] <amichair> ScottK: in that case, is there anything in particular in kde 4.3.4 backport to be afraid of?
[19:38] <ScottK> The one I remember is people complaining spell checking no longer worked.
[19:38] <amichair> ScottK: ok, no biggie :-)
[19:41] <amichair> I'm mostly hopeful that the huge memory leak in plasma-desktop is fixed. The bug report comment says it might be in 4.3.4.
[19:53] <jussi01>     
[19:55] <DaskREEch>  
[20:06] <Quintasan> \o
[20:35] <Lure> ScottK: I would suspect digikam needs to be rebuild with 4.4beta2 again :-(
[20:35]  * Lure is not sure why is digikam so linked with kde releases
[20:35] <ScottK> Lure: Can you take care of that?
[20:36]  * ScottK guesses unstable kdegraphics abi.
[20:36] <Lure> ScottK: I can - I planned to work on digikam 1.0 backport anyhow, will then do it for beta ppa first
[20:36] <Lure> ScottK: you are probably right
[20:36] <Lure> ScottK: btw, I did look into debian-science merge before xmas, but got confused with how to apply my changes
[20:37] <Lure> ScottK: will probably ask you for some guidance in next days
[20:37] <ScottK> OK
[20:44] <Lure> ScottK: quick question: if I need to change the package to backport, do I just propose debdiff to backports bug?
[20:44] <ScottK> Lure: Yes.
[20:44]  * jussi01 wonders just how long the virtuoso guys will be with the release
[20:44] <Lure> ScottK: thanks
[20:45] <ScottK> Lure: If it's a package you can upload, you should be able to upload it to *-backports (it will then have to be reivewed/accepted by a backporter - ping me for that).
[20:45]  * Lure thinks we need better naming for ppa packages - current -karmic in beta clashes with backports
[20:46] <Lure> ScottK: I suspect that I can upload then (if my per-package/kubuntu-devel rights are also valid for karmic)
[20:46] <ScottK> Should be.  Worth a try.
[21:56] <DaskREEch> JontheEchidna: Heh you are in the top 3 on bko
[21:56] <Riddell> wow, ubuntu-users has a lengthy thread subject of people just abusing each other, reminds me how lucky we are to have claydoh and Mamarok to keep things sane on k-u
[21:57] <DaskREEch> Didn't know that bko had private bugs
[21:57] <DaskREEch> Riddell: Isn't it the yearly get the abuse out thread?
[21:58] <Riddell> DaskREEch: I think b.k.o got private bugs so that sysadmin could use a bug tracker
[21:59] <DaskREEch> Ah ok. Fastest bug fixed is unviewable so that takes some of the fun out of it
[22:01]  * Sput wonders why kubuntu doesn't package Virtuoso 5.12
[22:02] <DaskREEch> Sput: Because we are waiting on 6.0.1
[22:02] <Sput> yeah, but why? :)
[22:02] <Sput> I mean, better package a slightly older version than having a half-broken KDE around...
[22:03] <ScottK> IIRC we thought it'd be sooner than this.
[22:03] <DaskREEch> Sput: You are welcome to do so if you like. I think someone already started.
[22:03] <DaskREEch> Might be _Groo_
[22:03] <Sput> DaskREEch: not a kubuntu packager :)
[22:03] <Sput> or user even
[22:04] <Riddell> "SymonHate (symonhate) wants to be a member of Package Archives for Kubuntu (kubuntu-ppa)" hmm, maybe not with a name like that
[22:04] <Sput> I was just wondering, because I'm reading this in here a lot of time
[22:04] <DaskREEch> Yeah but there was a full list of things to do and no one wanted to package and test Virtuoso and then have to redo it two days later
[22:04] <Sput> I see
[22:04]  * Sput isn't sure if there's a lot of difference between 5.x and 6.x so packaging a newer version will be a lot of work again
[22:04] <Lure> ScottK: is https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+archive/ppa still used for source-changes backports?
[22:05] <ScottK> Lure: It was only ever used for testing.
[22:05] <DaskREEch> Made a more more sense to package other things. And Debian has a 6.0.1 "package"  but there is no offcial release as yet
[22:05] <DaskREEch>  I don't think anyone even knows why not
[22:05] <ScottK> For actual backports, just upload to Ubuntu with karmic-backports as your target release.
[22:05] <Lure> ScottK: ok, as I anyway test with my ppa
[22:06] <Sput> DaskREEch: Gentoo packaged 6.0.0 first, then we figured out that it supposedly caused problems and packaged 5.0.12 too... but no idea as of why upstream is slacking either :/
[22:07] <DaskREEch> 6.0.0 broke nepomuk. That's been fixed in code now supposedly and there is just people waiting around for a announcement
[22:08] <DaskREEch> Of course until then no one is packaging incase they have some last minute crazy bug and change things again
[22:08] <DaskREEch> I'd actually prefer that the prerelease 6.0.1 is packaged and tested privately at least
[22:10] <Riddell> it wouldn't be a bad idea to have 5.x in, I looked at the suse packaging and there's some patches but nothing unusual.  of course unlike gentoo we have releases, there's no expectation that it'll work before april
[22:11] <DaskREEch> Sput: you were talking about Koala specifically?
[22:11] <Sput> Riddell: well, I suppose lucid users would be glad to have a working KDE 4.4 :)
[22:11] <Sput> DaskREEch: nah, not really... I don't think KDE 4.3 really needs nepomuk (plus the sesame backend still works there)
[22:11] <Sput> but 4.4 doesn't work without virtuoso
[22:12] <DaskREEch> and virtuoso doesn't work :)
[22:12] <DaskREEch> Touchy eh?
[22:12] <Sput> well, 5.0.12 does :)
[22:12] <Sput> quite fine actually, here
[22:13]  * Sput needs to figure out why akonadi randomly complains about nepomuk not running, suspecting a race condition on startup
[22:13]  * ScottK has nepomuk classified in "Stuff that makes his system annoyingly slow".
[22:14] <Sput> ScottK: with sesame, certainly
[22:14]  * Sput was able to finally remove all traces of java the other day
[22:14] <Sput> from my system
[22:16] <DaskREEch> Hmm actually I remember someone was talking about a Save/ Open with  /Open with other dialog for KDE 4.4
[22:16] <DaskREEch> Did It missit? I just realised the dialog only offers me a single application
[22:17]  * Lure will first test nepomuk/virtuoso speed before enabling digikam's nepomuk support
[22:19] <DaskREEch> I'm testing bangarang and it's near useless without Nepomuk :(
[22:22] <ryanakca> DaskREEch: Yeah. I'm stuck between virtuoso not being installable and not wanting to install sesame2/java on my netbook.
[22:23] <DaskREEch> Which is why I think that the pre release debian package should be tested
[22:24] <shtylman> ryanakca: do you still have the new kubuntu site mockup?
[22:25] <DaskREEch> It's something and in my mind at least is some semblence of progress
[22:25] <DaskREEch>  and the best thing that can happen is the final release is exactly the same and we can unveil hours after the announcement
[22:26] <ryanakca> shtylman: Aye
[22:26] <DaskREEch> Worst is that stuff needs to be changed and it has to be repackaged but with some known expectations of bugs/performance expectations
[22:26] <Riddell> Lex79 has virtuoso here, I wonder if that works https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging
[22:26] <ryanakca> shtylman: just a sec
[22:27] <ryanakca> shtylman: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/ofir-website.png
[22:31]  * shtylman can't wait to see that go live :)
[22:32] <ryanakca> shtylman: Nor can I :)
[22:34] <Sput> ryanakca: if you're already running KDE 4.4, sesame wouldn't help you much, as Nepomuk refuses to use it (except for importing old data)
[22:35] <Sput> that said, it seems to suck slightly (in particular for binary distros) that Nepomuk requires both sesame and Virtuoso to be able to import old data, hence one needs to drag the java stuff into the package to allow migration...
[22:36]  * Sput likes the idea behind Akonadi/Nepomuk, but the implementation is wrecking havoc everywhere
[22:37] <DaskREEch> Well I've never got Strigi working since KDE 4.0 so I have no data which I guess is a good thing now
[22:37]  * ScottK likes android phone, gmail, akonadi-googledata, and automagically contacts move between his phone and his KAddressbook.
[22:38] <DaskREEch> Does android auto add numbers that you call to the phone book?
[22:39] <ScottK> No, but you can click on the number in the call log and add them very easily.
[22:42] <Lure> ScottK: can you look at bug 502444 and give me ACK?
[22:42] <ScottK> Lure: Did you upload it already?
[22:42] <Lure> ScottK: not, I would like you to at least review debdiff
[22:43] <ScottK> OK
[22:43] <Lure> otherwise I am ready to upload
[22:46] <ScottK> Lure: main/universe doesn't matter for backports, so that change is unneeded.
[22:46] <Lure> ScottK: oh, I didn't know that
[22:46] <ScottK> No problem.  Fix that bit and then go ahead an upload.
[22:47] <Lure> ScottK: it does not make a big change, as lqr is also in digikam source if not found on system
[22:47] <ScottK> Lure: OK, but best to minimize the diff.
[22:47] <Lure> ScottK: right, will do
[22:47] <ScottK> Go ahead and ping me when you've uploaded.
[22:53] <shtylman> ryanakca: what will happen first ... new site .. or lucid release?
[22:53] <Riddell> new site please!
[22:54] <shtylman> :)
[22:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: can we convert to the new layout without the screenshot module?
[22:54] <Riddell> or have you spoken to kees about the screenshot module at all?
[23:04] <Lure> ScottK: [ubuntu/karmic-backports] digikam 2:1.0.0-1ubuntu1~karmic1 (Waiting for approval)
[23:04] <ScottK> Looking
[23:10] <ryanakca> Riddell, shtylman: To be honest, I've been somewhat neglecting my webmaster duties for the past month, school has been hectic. I'll get the theme fixed up tonight / tomorrow, show it to you and get back to prodding the sysadmins.
[23:11] <Riddell> ryanakca: which theme?
[23:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: The drupal one? Remove the screenshot module.
[23:13] <Riddell> thanks
[23:19] <shtylman> ryanakca: its all good... no worries .. we want you to pass your classes :)
[23:21] <ScottK> Lure: Accepted.
[23:22] <Lure> ScottK: thanks
[23:22] <Lure> ScottK: I am testing kipi-plugins backport now, so it will be ready to upload soon
[23:22] <ScottK> shtylman: You may want him to pass his classes.  I want a new web site.
[23:22] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:22] <ScottK> OK
[23:25] <shtylman> hahaha
[23:30]  * DaskREEch looks jealously at Lynx users
[23:30] <DaskREEch> Sput: Well there you go you have 6.0.1 ppa :)
[23:31]  * DaskREEch votes for a new site in timeline with Lynx beta release
[23:31] <shtylman> Riddell: how are we on touchpad config?
[23:31] <Sput> DaskREEch: I don't really care, but I'm happy for your users :)
[23:31] <Sput> DaskREEch: I assume it's a snapshot?
[23:32] <DaskREEch> Sput: Yeah termed RC by the packager
[23:32] <Sput> ok, good to know
[23:32] <DaskREEch> and as mentioned. With a note that they are jsut waiting on a official release announcement (which I check for twice a day now) to bless it
[23:33] <Sput> very well
[23:33] <Riddell> shtylman: not sure, it's packaged I think but it probably needs a UI review and it could do with getting put into upstream
[23:33] <Lure> ScottK: bug 502460 - uploading now
[23:33] <Sput> sounds like Quassel, which sometimes waits weeks for an official release announcements because packages still need to be done :)
[23:34] <shtylman> Riddell: what would it take to get it put upstream?
[23:36] <Riddell> shtylman: the author needs to put it into kdereview and propose it on kde-core-devel
[23:36] <shtylman> have we talked to the author about doing that?
[23:36] <Quintasan> Hey guys can someone shorten the whole drama with Steve? I can't really make any sense from it
[23:37]  * Lure does not understand it also...
[23:37] <Riddell> shtylman: I think we did yes and he seemd to think it was a good idea but wasn't sure how to go about it
[23:37] <ScottK> Quintasan: Steve is having some issues in his life and as a consequence upset some people.  He's taking a break to deal with said issues, but in the mean time is still pretty upset about the way he got treated.
[23:38] <ScottK> (treated being in most people's assessment a not unreasonable reaction to his behavior)
[23:39]  * Nightrose is sad about having sent him an extremely friendly email and getting a reply (at least without fullquote to the devel list
[23:39] <Nightrose> i'll give up at this point tbh
[23:40] <ScottK> Hopefully he will deal with his problems and come back and be productive.
[23:40] <shtylman> Riddell: do we have to have someone follow up with him? was someone on our end assigned to it?
[23:40]  * ScottK hopes everyone else will be able to let the current mess be in the past if he does.
[23:40] <shtylman> ScottK: never knew there could be this much drama :)
[23:41] <Riddell> shtylman: nobody assigned on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[23:41] <Lure> ScottK: [ubuntu/karmic-backports] kipi-plugins 1.0.0-1ubuntu1~karmic1 (Waiting for approval)
[23:41] <Nightrose> ScottK: yes hopefully - one of the reasons i emailed him was to let him know that he can come back any time he feels he has taken care of his current problems
[23:42] <ScottK> Lure: Accepted.
[23:42] <Lure> ScottK: thanks again
[23:44] <shtylman> Riddell: does taco want to look at it?
[23:44] <shtylman> since he did packaging?
[23:44] <ScottK> We got some nice weekend backlog going on the buildd's ....
[23:45] <neversfelde> ScottK: +1, Steve helped me a lot to get in touch with KDE packaging
[23:45] <Riddell> shtylman: probably best to check in with him on the status before doing anything
[23:46] <shtylman> check in with taco? or the author
[23:47] <shtylman> Riddell: also... how do you want right to left support to work in the installer? what is broken about it?
[23:47] <shtylman> do you just want the tabs on the right side?
[23:48] <shtylman> basically ... flip everything?
[23:49] <shtylman> nixternal: the feedback applet doesn't work for me ... :(
[23:50] <Riddell> shtylman: I think the forwards/backwards buttons are the wrong way around
[23:50] <shtylman> k
[23:50] <Riddell> forwards should be on the left pointing left, backwards on the right pointing right
[23:57] <Sput> o_O
[23:57] <Sput> isn't forward always pointing right?
[23:58] <Sput> ah, rtl... hm
[23:58] <Riddell> not if you read right to left
[23:58] <Sput> what does KDE do?
[23:58] <Riddell> loads the correct icon for the locale
[23:59] <Riddell> and runs apps in --reverse
[23:59] <Riddell> but I seem to remember ubiquity doesn't do this
[23:59] <Riddell> goodness knows what way the Mongolians think is forwards :)