[00:00] crimsun: whenever you can, pasteback your GReader shared [00:18] DOH [00:18] * BUGabundo faceplams [00:18] I just replaced my /home/bugabundo/.ssh/id_rsa.pub key :(( [00:18] can I generate it back from prib key ? [00:21] That's an interesting question... [00:22] I'm moderately sure that the answer is “no", and that generating a public key from a private key is essentially the same as generating a private key from a public key. [00:27] RAOF: no. pub key is only part of the priv key AFAIK [00:32] It's been some time since I did RSA-style public key encryption by hand, but IIRC the keys are pretty much symmetric: the public key can decrypt anything encrypted with the private key, the private key can encrypt anything encrypted with the public key. [00:34] BUGabundo: probably not. Better stating, probabilistic not. [00:35] two primes are chosen, with a specific relation between them. You would have to find the missing prime... [01:22] I need help with grub [01:22] Grub in Lucid [01:23] you should probably state your problem... these guys aren't mind readers [01:24] sorry I have a problem the grub menu is showing up I would like to hide it. Did not have this problem on install [01:25] pasjr: grub2 is hidden by default [01:25] unless you mess with /etc/defaults/grub [01:25] for some reason it has shown up [01:25] I can not find how to hide it again [01:27] I have yet to play with Grub in Lucid, I really like the way it was [01:27] i am a mind reader [01:27] i'm just not very good at it [01:29] The problem just started after the last set of updates, Grub menu list starts on boot up, I liked it better when it was hidden [01:29] I have no clue in lucid how to hide the grub menu again [01:34] ok if any one finds an answer please e-mail me at PASJR@Micro2GB.com [01:35] pasjr, BUGabundo gave you the answer [01:37] not the answer to rehide ok well good night [01:38] ohh but I know the answer [01:38] but I'm not emailing him [01:39] DUDE is a moron :D [01:39] Totally, huge moron [01:39] he has now multiple stanzas === david is now known as Guest80414 [01:39] of course grub is showing up [01:39] unbelievable [01:39] allowing him to choose [01:39] :D [01:39] why did he go way while I tested it ? [01:39] bahh [01:40] I really dislike doing user support [01:40] they are always so impacient :( [01:40] Hmm, maybe it is you who is impatient [01:40] * BUGabundo goes back to hacking android SSH [01:40] You know what they say ? If everyone around you is impatient, maybe it's you who is impatient :P [01:41] ohh that is true... I don't like waiting [01:41] me neither [01:41] I worked on a tech support call centre for 4.5 months, I was going crazy at the end [01:41] but I don't like to make anyone to wait on me either [01:41] I know the feeling [01:41] I have several friends that work like that [01:41] It was bad cause it was always the same problem. [01:41] I do work as a sysadmin / webadmin in a support role [01:42] Guest80414: ehehe [01:42] can't you put a nicer nick Guest80414? [01:42] I am mostly a PHP programmer with some support, fortunately I don't do first level any more :d [01:42] I had David, but the chat nick thing renamed me :P [01:43] and I am too lazy to set a new name cause in a month I am going to reinstall this 10.04 with Alpha 2 :d [01:44] Hey, I have serious issue with the moving of the shutdown button from the system menu to the menu at the top right. I know that that will cause a support nightmare. I know when my Mum-in-law changes from 8.04 to 10.04, she is gonna call me "I can't turn my computer" or "I couldn't turn it off, so I unplugged it, now it won't boot!!" [01:46] that's been changed for awhile now [01:46] since jaunty i think [01:46] yea, I remember. I stayed on Hardy cause of it :P [01:46] and it was changed because it didn't make sense where it was [01:46] I think it would be a very good idea to have a button in the system menu for the LTS that tells the user where it is now. [01:47] I just think of the support nightmare of LTS users upgrading, it scares me :P [01:48] isnt it going to change again? I heard there is going to be a social networking widget or something [01:48] Or maybe an easy to read upgrade guide that displays when the user starts the computer that explains some of these changes [01:48] the me menu [01:49] btw, I really like the 10.04 Alpha, but I am going to continue to complain about the shutdown button until I know my mother-in-law won't call after the upgrade in April :D [01:50] I can't wait till 10 second boot time, that's gonna be pretty awesome [01:52] it will be for people who stop and start it a lot [01:52] not for those who run their systems for weeks continuously [01:52] Yes, well for my laptop it's gonna be great [01:53] hey, when my computer resumes from suspend, it takes up to 10 seconds for the mouse and keyboard to respond [01:53] exactly, laptop/netbook users [01:54] how do I find out if it's a ubuntu bug or a hardware bug ? [01:54] sine when has suspend/resume ever worked on linux [01:56] It works well on my ibm t43 + Ubuntu 10.04, it just takes 10 seconds between when the screen comes on and when I can use the keyboard [01:59] ok, guess your comment means that it'll never work, so I won't open a ticket :P [02:01] i hear a lot of people complain about it all the time, so i suppose it isn't very good, but i don't use it so i can't say for sure [02:03] Guest80414: your resume works? [02:03] lucky [02:03] mine fails on something, and does a regular boot :( [02:03] I guess its bitching at me, for I saying boot was faster then resume [02:04] The resume works, it just freezes the mouse for 5-10 seconds [02:05] But, yes. It works :) [02:05] BUGabundo, maybe it only fails for blob users [02:05] maybe [02:05] some KMS issue [02:06] I don't know what KMS is [02:06] does it use kms for that? [02:06] i didn't know that [02:06] makes sense i suppose [02:07] but it's safe to say there will never be a proprietary kms driver [02:08] What's KMS ? [02:08] kernel mode setting [02:08] basically kms = pretty boot graphics [02:09] it's a bit more complicated, but that's the jist of it [02:09] NIce [02:09] I remember when I was back on Gentoo I tried to get the splash going for boot, never got it working. But I did spend a week compiling stuff for it [02:11] When I get an instant message with empathy, there is a cute notification box, but clicking it does not open empathy's windows.. Is this a feature or a bug ? [02:13] ahaha [02:13] man you have been LONG gone [02:13] that's a 9.04 change [02:13] when we got notify osd [02:13] this is what happens when you use hardy for two years [02:13] LOL [02:13] i mean come on, be more bleeding edge will you please? [02:14] I am an LTS user [02:14] there's a new distro every six months [02:14] I use to be bleeding edge, I used to run gentoo for pete's sake, [02:15] who's pete ? :p [02:15] I had the unstable version, I was compiling my O/S about once a week. But I was bleeding edge, but I have come to appreciate stability. I got 8.04 on all my computers and servers :D [02:15] i expected most lts users to be businesses or organizations, not individuals [02:15] I use my computers for work, so I guess I am a hybrid user [02:15] well, lucid is going to be one heck of a big change then [02:16] actually I tried 8.10 alpha 2, and it worked very poorly with my computer, so I stayed on 8.04 [02:16] it would have been really funny if gnome-shell had been the default in ubuntu [02:16] Apparently support for my video card was dropped in 8.10 [02:16] bjsnider: as was the change to 8.04 [02:16] BUGabundo, i can't remember that far back [02:16] from 6.06.3 [02:17] actually I have 2 servers running 7.04, I gotta upgrade them. [02:17] breezy? [02:17] I am waiting for 10.04 this summer than I migrate all my servers [02:17] dude that's EOL [02:17] i don't believe that [02:17] no that was EOL last year [02:17] this year it's aincient history ;) [02:17] ahahaahaha [02:17] the guy who was responsable for the servers before I got here was not very good [02:18] well I have servers running hpux 11 (circa 1994) [02:18] are you plainning on switching to ext4? [02:18] he had a PRI in a gentoo machine that had no updates installed for like 2.5 years and several utilities had broken libraries and wouldn't run [02:18] why would he? [02:18] ext4 is "edgy" [02:18] it's faster and has quicker fsck [02:19] I liked reisferfs better than ext3/4, unfortunately the guy who wrote it turned out to be a killer :( [02:19] he doesn't have the keep the system down an hour to do a fsck [02:20] I think I'll probably switch to ext4 with 10.04 [02:21] When did ext4 become the default FS in ubuntu ? [02:21] 9.10 I think [02:21] 9.04 was experimental [02:21] oh, so it's still pretty new [02:21] needed kernel .30+ to fix most bugs [02:21] ok [02:21] both ubuntu and FC bring it as default now [02:22] no, its not that new [02:22] been around for 2 years or so [02:22] all 5 people using fedora had it a bit earlier than ubuntu offered it [02:22] I know it's not *that* new, but a filesystem is a pretty darned important piece of the system [02:22] but there where a couple of nasty bugs in kernel ,27 and 28 [02:22] like the io truncate [02:23] and the most severe one, delete files over 1GB or very dispersed [02:23] um.. delete files over 1gb. That sounds good [02:23] my most important server has a 47 gig file on it [02:23] so ppl running 9.04 with .28 kernel are screwed if they try ext4 [02:23] well if you have it, I don't think you are planning to delete it [02:24] wait [02:24] "and the most severe one, delete files over 1GB or very dispersed" => deleting files over 1gb is difficult or they just randomly delete ? [02:24] BUGabundo, i think fixes were backported to the jaunty kernel, were they not? [02:25] I notice that 10.04 contains thunderbird 2 and not thunderbird 3, I wonder why ? [02:25] They included firefox 3 beta in the initial 8.04 release, I wonder why not for thunderbird [02:26] Because we don't use thunderbird by default. [02:26] Ok [02:26] Guest80414: Because Thunderbird 3 was just released and the mozilla guys are all on holiday? [02:26] Hehehehe, that's a good reason Amaranth [02:27] RAOF: Not using it is actually a good reason to upgrade it [02:27] lol [02:27] I tried to install it [02:27] found a bug the moment I run account setup [02:27] RAOF: If no one is caring for it particularly in Ubuntu the latest version is going to have the most fixes/support (unless it's a rewrite or something) [02:27] reported it upstream [02:27] they said to open a new one, I did, was closed with can't reproduce [02:28] I uninstaled it :D [02:28] why are people still using mail clients... [02:28] Amaranth: Well, but it makes it less of a priority to pull what will be a supported release into Ubuntu before it's a real release. [02:28] back to kmail :DD [02:28] bjsnider: Because gmail sucks at mailing lists. [02:28] Amaranth: both Firefox and TB are officially supported by Ubuntu Mozilla Team [02:28] does it really? [02:28] gmail is awesome at mailing lists, what are you on about? [02:29] and backported too [02:29] any reason why you guys use firefox, over gnome's browser, but you use evolution not thunderbird ? [02:29] i use chromium [02:29] chromium here [02:29] or whatever it's called [02:29] BUGabundo: but we do special things to firefox (so far as mozilla will let us) to make it work better with our desktop [02:29] true [02:29] its called ubufox [02:30] Guest80414: Because firefox is much better for many people than Epiphany, whereas thunderbird isn't significantly better than evolution (and doesn't cover as much functionality, and is worse integrated, and...) [02:30] :p [02:30] and yes, gmail SUCKs a MLs [02:30] ah ok. [02:30] ohhh he didn't... he used an "and ..." [02:30] * BUGabundo ducks [02:31] Hey, any of you people use Gentoo ? [02:32] *deafening silence* [02:32] stupid nautilus and it's stupid DnD grab [02:32] luckily it was just a pointer grab so I could still vt switch and kill it from a tty [02:33] My main interaction with Gentoo is them failing at Mono packaging causing people to file incorrect bugs on Do. [02:33] anyway, I mention it cause one of the options that they have over in the Gentoo camp is you set all the options such as mysql support and stuff. So if you install PHP, mysql support is added, you install postfix mysql support is added. [02:33] RAOF: the WARNING at the bug page isn't large enough [02:33] RAOF, you're kidding me. they failed to properly package mono? [02:33] put some pink flashing letters too [02:34] do bugs |= do-plugins [02:34] RAOF, BUGabundo: How does gmail suck at mailing lists? It has automated filters for stuffing them in labels, conversation view, and reply to all by default (it's an option, look it up) [02:34] If you ignore the hours of compiling, it was a really handy option. It'd be fun to have something like that for ubuntu, I could say this machine uses "postgres" and any time I install a software that has a postgres plugin, aptitude would propose the plugin [02:35] Amaranth: no proper thread, can't break threads, stimulates users to user the bottom reply, instead of replying to the proper person... [02:35] Amaranth: I like the conversation view, but it breaks threading, and I like threading. [02:35] RAOF: I LOVE THREADING [02:35] threads get far too nested and I lose track of what is going on anyway [02:35] heck I filed 6 separete bugs to kmail [02:35] Amaranth: Also, I don't like the way it handles quotes. [02:35] the autohide bit? [02:35] when they migrated to 4.x all on threadign accoung [02:36] RAOF: ehe android gmail app is worth [02:36] you can't fw it, you can't inline comment, or bottom posting [02:36] it makes me MADDDDDDDDD [02:36] ohh Amaranth join one more: TOP POSTING [02:37] although bettergmail addon makes it do bottom posting [02:37] ok so it sucks that stupid people use it and don't move the cursor :P [02:37] ahhh no digitally SIGNed emails or gpg check [02:37] that's going to be true of all web-based email but that's what firegpg is for [02:39] isn't firegpg broken with gmail? [02:40] I think I am going to try to raise elephants with my ubuntu 10.04 alpha 1 [02:40] it was right after gmail changed but it worked last time I cared to try it [02:42] The elephants have risen === david is now known as Guest52648 [02:43] * Guest52648 was once know as Guest80414 [02:43] known* [02:44] Raising elephants works well with 10.04 [02:44] lol [02:44] that was fast [02:44] Yes, Ubuntu 10.04 boots really fast [02:44] no [02:44] the fact you got kicked by nickserv [02:45] oh yea [02:45] that's fun [02:45] well its late [02:45] I went to bed late last night too [02:45] Late ? [02:45] can't even read my screen anymore [02:45] It's only 9:45 [02:45] 2am Guest52648 [02:45] almos 3am [02:46] 20100102 :D [02:46] Where are you guys ? [02:46] its a palindrome! [02:46] Portugal [02:46] GMT TZ [02:46] hehehe [02:46] I am in GMT-5:00 I think [02:46] you are worse then me [02:46] you don't even know where you are [02:46] ahah [02:46] wait [02:46] no [02:47] EST :P [02:47] well I'm gone [02:47] How do I change my username in xirc [02:47] see you tomorrow [02:47] Guest52648: same as in all [02:47] with /nick === Guest52648 is now known as dlublink [02:47] There we go [02:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~dlublink [02:49] hm, bed, good idea... [02:50] Good night everyone [02:50] yofel, new 195 blob. let me know at some point if it doesn't work [02:50] bjsnider: will do [02:57] anyone know if 10.4 is going to have a better flash alternative? [03:42] Hello, in Karmic if the wifi is disconnected the new notification system shows it as disconnect, all fine but if it connects it takes a while for the new notification to show up because the ither one is still up, will this be fixed in lucid [03:42] other* [03:58] Has anyone built a transmission beta 3 package? [04:08] there would have to be a compelling reasons to do so [04:12] crashing? [04:12] someone already reported it as a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/502197 [04:12] Ubuntu bug 502197 in transmission "Lucid's Transmission beta is outdated -- latest version is 1.80 beta 3 (dup-of: 496503)" [Undecided,Invalid] [04:12] Ubuntu bug 496503 in transmission "Update transmission to 1.80b3" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [04:48] they'll get around to it. no rush === simba__ is now known as simba_ [08:41] The bash process is currently running at 100% cpu. Is there any way to find out what is causing this? [08:50] Hew: you could use strace -p to watch what the process is doing. It may or may not give you something useful [08:55] umask001, thanks for that, unfortunately there's no output though. I'll keep watching it. [09:00] umask001, actually it looks like it's produced 19 lines of this: --- SIGQUIT (Quit) @ 0 (0) --- . Any idea what that is? [09:21] the 100% cpu usage just stopped, here is the output from strace http://paste.ubuntu.com/350316/ , should I file a bug about this, and if so what should I file it against? [09:41] r600_dri.so does not seem to be included in the libgl1-mesa-dri package in Karmic. Will ATI r600 be supported in Lucid? [09:41] i think it should be as the kernel in lucid will have KMS for ati.. [09:43] That was the impression I was getting, wanted to make sure. Figure I'd upgrade to the 10.04 alpha and give it a shot. [09:43] Thanks om26er [09:44] fractalis, or don't upgrade and try the live cd to check? [09:45] That probably would have been the smart thing to do, but if worse comes to worse I'll just re-install Karmic. Not too concerned about losing anything as its still a fresh install. [10:04] Hew: the paste doesn't look particularly revealing. Did you do anything random like insert a usb drive, or could it be a daily cron job gone wrong? If you're still looking into it, check "dmesg | tail" to see if the kernel was doing anything weird [10:05] nothing in dmesg since boot [10:06] I didn't insert a USB drive. I was just doing normal desktop activities like switching between windows. [10:07] Hew: no idea what you could file it against then. I'd say ignore it unless it happens again :) [10:08] ok, thanks for your help umask001 [11:37] trying to install lubuntu lucid alpha1. first on cd-rom, getting bunch of IO-errors and eventually kernel panic. After this I tried to use unetbootin to install it from hard disk. when I boot this entry and after loading something, I get kernel panic. Now somethingl ike this occurs before the kernel påanic on hd install: W: skipping nonexistent file /cdrom/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages [11:38] also W: skipping.. lucid/restricted/binary-i386..packages [11:38] "alot of entries were discarded, something may be wrong" [11:39] floating, unetbootin did not work for lubuntu for me either. i used usb-creator and it worked fine [11:39] scanning disk for indexes, found 2 packages, and then that happens [11:39] !md5 | floating [11:39] floating: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [11:40] how do I know what is the correct hash value for this iso [11:41] i checked the isos hash, but in the iso, I find readme txt that has a hash for individual files [11:41] and where i downloaded this iso, there was no md5sum file provided, well I didn't check the root [11:41] dir [11:42] http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/lubuntu-lucid-alpha1-preview-release/ [11:43] floating, i got an email from the mailing list for that matter [11:43] floating, seems to me that there is no md5 hash for that image [11:43] floating, try downloading again or try virual machine first to see if it boots? [11:44] i just found it here http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt [11:44] floating, sure [11:45] the hashes match [11:45] or a hash. [11:45] floating, try the same image in virtualbox first [11:46] it is p2 400mhz, and I don't know if it is any use to try it on this different pc [11:47] floating, does it boot from usb? [11:47] the bios boot order selector doesn't have usb option at all [11:48] cd-rom c, a, f ,d.. maybe it is too old :I I don't know if there is a newer bios available for that [11:48] floating, i have only tried usb boot for this image so who knows if it works from cd or not .. [11:49] is it possible to install this lubuntu by installing a CLI and then installing the package lubuntu-desktop, like few months ago i could do that [11:50] floating, don't know that either [11:51] floating, this is just an alpha image still way to go [12:07] does anyone know why mumble 1.2.0-1 is taking so long to sync? [12:18] !info mumble lucid [12:18] mumble (source: mumble): Low latency VoIP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0~beta1-1build1 (lucid), package size 1837 kB, installed size 3712 kB === om26er_ is now known as om26er [13:08] !test [13:08] yes, I'm alive. [14:12] * penguin42 yawns [14:21] * \vish yawns too [14:21] <\vish> damn those are contagious even over irc ;) [14:27] nod [14:33] I didn't yaw [14:33] yawn [14:33] I was just vacinnated against yawning [14:34] * david__ just woke up after 11 hours of sleep, great vaccine against yawning [15:12] Is there any place with changelogs for the daily-build CDs? E.g. "autologon not working => fixed" ? [15:13] grrh. trying the ubuntu lucid iso boot from hard disk with unetboot, choose command-line install, then comes the language select screen, but it freezes [15:14] floating: first lubuntu and now ubuntu .. both with a problem [15:14] ? [15:14] different problem now [15:15] i'm gonna try ubuntu 9.10 cli install next, then upgrade if it works [15:15] ok [15:16] floating: why unetbootin? You don't have a dvd drive? [15:18] ever hit a bug that's simultaneously annoying and useful? [15:19] i have a cd drive, tried the lubuntu lucid with that too which gave input output errors. I could try this too with cd but I don't know, just have cd-r not rw, and actually only 2 r's left [15:19] most likely wouldnt work anyway [15:20] (just curious) and why did you try with 10.04 instead of the stable 9.10? [15:22] p2 400mhz where i want to try out the lubuntu, which has no version for 9.10 [15:23] I meant that: "(05:13:06 μμ) floating: grrh. trying the ubuntu lucid iso" [15:24] yeah, i just use that to install the cli, where upon i plan to install the lubuntu [15:28] can i install ubuntu on btrfs by some way? [15:33] uh oh! rhythmbox don't show notify icon [15:34] got bypass the problem i had by choosing the expert command-line install. now as i go through these steps iencounter this: download installer components: i choose here http and proxy and so on, but then "no kernel modules were found, ...possible due to mismatch with kernel version u have and available in archive.then it says that the install will probably fail if i continue without [15:36] and when i start rhythmbox minimized, i can not use [15:39] do people still use rhythmbox? [15:39] yes [15:40] crikey [15:40] Crashbit: rhythmbox is shown in the indicator-applet [15:40] (indicator-application) [15:41] om26er_: not in my computer, rhythmbox does not display anywhere [15:42] bjsnider: witch do you use ? [15:42] no, i don't use witches [15:42] well wel [15:42] Crashbit: rhythmbox is there without an appropriate icon [15:44] why was rhythmbox not replaced with banshee? [15:44] there was an ongoing talk at mailing list then poof [15:45] good question [15:45] i thoguth it was going to be [15:45] it is certainly inevitable [15:46] and now they are gonna implement music store in rhythmbox so we are really stuck with it even after lucid i think [15:47] well, no one is putting a gun to your head forcing you to use it [15:48] * om26er_ uses what comes out of box [15:49] (even empathy) [15:49] that's your own fault [15:49] you've placed that limit on yourself, no one else has [15:50] when i said "we" i spoke for so many people who hate rhythmbox === om26er_ is now known as om26er [15:54] like one software management solution(software center) ubuntu should also aim for one media player for both videos and audios [15:56] om26er: I don't think so, I use audio and video in very different ways [15:56] om26er: With audio most of the time it's something going in the background without much interaction; on the PC for video I select each things I want to watch, I don't have the PC choose what to watch - now that might change, but certainly the thing I find important on an audio player is for it to do a good random [15:58] banshee could do video/audio well if gstreamer was significantly improved [16:04] netbook launcher is giving segfault and this bug is a month old with 'critical' mark and still not fixed [16:09] mm [16:12] rhythmbox reproduce correctly http://crashbit.homelinux.com:8000/playlist.ogg , but banshee stops after every song [16:12] s/reproduce/play [16:13] <\vish> om26er: banshee didnt roll out a release in time for karmic and it supposedly has some a11y issues [16:14] <\vish> which would only be addressed by Lucid+1 or +2 [16:14] ok [16:17] Crashbit: if you add indicator-applet before starting rhythmbox then is there any icon for it? [16:22] is there any possibility that default fonts might change to something else in lucid? [16:29] <\vish> iirc there was a session related to default fonts in the UDS [17:00] can any suggest a way to install ubuntu on a btrfs ? [17:02] * om26er_ got DC [17:09] which kernel version lucid is using at the moment? 2.6.32.x ? [17:10] om26er_: I've never been able to get an answer from anyone as to how the ubuntu kernel relates to the stable rebuilds, if you find out, please share. [17:12] om26er: Seems to be a 2.6.32 [17:13] ok === om26er_ is now known as om26er [17:23] !find linux-image lucid [17:23] !info linux-image lucid [17:24] Found: linux-image, linux-image-2.6.32-300-ec2, linux-image-2.6.32-7-virtual, linux-image-2.6.32-8-386, linux-image-2.6.32-8-generic (and 14 others) [17:24] linux-image (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.32.9.9 (lucid), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia all) [17:24] * penguin42 is actually running a hand built 2.6.33rc2 [17:24] .32.9 [17:29] penguin42, well roll me up a kernel too, will you please? [17:49] bjsnider: Do it yourself! [17:52] penguin42, that is an interesting point [17:56] annoyingly Lucid seems to require initramfs for plymouth [18:02] why is plymouth still not uploaded to lucid by default? === om26er_ is now known as om26er [18:02] is it because it adds to the boot time? [18:03] are you sure it isn't? When I ran without an initramfs mountall complained it couldn't speak to plymouth [18:04] om26er: what? It's certainly in Lucid. [18:05] crimsun: you have to install it yourself.. [18:05] it may not work for your hardware, it may not be enabled, etc. [18:05] crimsun: Why would plymouth be hw dependent? [18:05] om26er: messing with boot isn't for the faint of heart. Scott has an uneviable task. [18:05]