[00:00] <sabgenton> only prob is the usb is now set up to boot ubuntu desktop
[00:00] <sabgenton> it did make it for server
[00:00] <sabgenton> didn't
[00:00] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Sure, boot from the ISO and see the actual line *your* ISO uses.  Are you 100% sure you are using a server ISO ?
[00:01] <sabgenton> yeah should be the same one u are using if you have the latest
[00:01] <sabgenton> 9.10 server something .iso
[00:01] <sabgenton> I will use your setting from your vm
[00:02] <sabgenton> that will be the same
[00:02] <jmarsden> OK.  Mine is the 64bit one, see the "amd64" in its name...
[00:04] <sabgenton> oh
[00:04] <sabgenton> i was 32
[00:04] <sabgenton> ubuntu-9.10-server-i386.iso
[00:04] <sabgenton> jmarsden: probly the same
[00:05] <jmarsden> Probably, but if it doesn't work for you, you should probably check using your own CD / ISO
[00:06] <sabgenton> hmm
[00:06] <sabgenton> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller
[00:06] <sabgenton> jmarsden: how do you call the bot in this channel
[00:06] <sabgenton> ! stuff
[00:06] <sabgenton> k
[00:07] <jmarsden> !tell sabgenton about ubottu
[00:07] <sabgenton> ! usb boot
[00:07] <sabgenton> ! usb
[00:07] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Rather than use the channel for that, just /msg ubottu and keep your talks with the bot private :)
[00:07] <sabgenton> ! usb server
[00:08] <sabgenton> sorry
[00:08] <sabgenton> not much happing here anyway :)
[00:08] <jmarsden> True, but it's good to learn the "right habits" anyway...
[00:08] <sabgenton> any way that link looks got i found
[00:08] <sabgenton> meah I was being ok
[00:09] <sabgenton> ok
[00:14] <sabgenton> how do you add to ubottu
[00:14]  * sabgenton feels like being helpfull
[00:21] <jmarsden> sabgenton: I forget the syntax, something like  ubottu: somekeyword is a lot of text goes here describing somekeyword.
[00:22] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Might be good to update the relevant Wiki pages too, if you are documenting something that has changed or is new.
[00:23] <sabgenton> if that link i got works I just wanted to make !usb show the  link to usb boot ubuntu server
[00:24] <sabgenton> jmarsden: do you know how to change a boot line on the desktop boot loader and run it
[00:24] <sabgenton> it says press tab to change the line so I do
[00:24] <sabgenton> but when i press enter at the end it doesn't seem to boot
[00:24] <sabgenton> it
[00:25] <jmarsden> sabgenton: Changing GRUB lines?  I forget all the editing keys... e for edit, change the line, b for boot ?
[00:25] <sabgenton> in grub you go out and press b or somting but I can't get the stylish ubuntu menu to take in perameters
[00:25] <jmarsden> Ah... let me try it in a VM here... :)
[00:26] <sabgenton> yeaah but it aint normal grub
[00:26] <sabgenton> jmarsden: this is an ubuntu deskop cd i think
[00:26] <sabgenton> not server boot menu
[00:26] <sabgenton> well not that i've seen it
[00:27] <sabgenton> it might be the same
[00:27] <jmarsden> OK.  I was going to say, my server VM doesn't present me with a menu... let me try a desktop VM instead...
[00:27] <sabgenton> thx :D
[00:28] <sabgenton> mine says "Press ENTER to boot or TAB to edit a menu entry"
[00:28] <sabgenton> I press tab make an edit
[00:28] <sabgenton> press enter
[00:28] <sabgenton> but then it doesn't boot
[00:29] <sabgenton> and i go back and the boot enter is back to the default
[00:29] <jmarsden> Are we talking about when you boot from the CD, or when you boot from an installed Ubuntu setup ?
[00:38] <sabgenton> jmarsden: cd
[00:38] <sabgenton> I think its the desktop cd
[00:38] <sabgenton> boot  menu
[00:38] <jmarsden> Booting from a desktop CD, I can press Enter to select English, then F6 and escape, then edit the parameters and press enter...
[00:39] <sabgenton> if you got and edit the params again does it change back?
[00:39] <jmarsden> Pressing enter in that edited command line boots for me...
[00:39] <sabgenton> to defaults
[00:41] <jmarsden> As in Enter for Englishm then D6, Escape, edit edit, F6, checj a box or two, escape?  No, it leaves my edits alone.
[00:41] <sabgenton> ah I have gotten out of the fluffy gag menu
[00:41] <sabgenton> can press Fx keys to see opitions now
[00:42] <sabgenton> and type in params and press enter if wish
[00:42] <sabgenton> it is a fluffyer  boot front than normal that i have
[00:42] <sabgenton> thx again
[00:42] <sabgenton> :D
[00:42] <jmarsden> You're welcome :)
[02:21] <osmosis_> When Lucid Lynx LTS comes out, will I be able to upgrade right from Hardy Heron LTS, or will I have to go to Intrepid, Jaunty, Karmic, and then Lucid??
[02:22] <pmatulis> osmosis_: lts-to-lts is a valid upgrade path
[02:22] <Stylee> hello, I am experimenting with a home based web server. I have registered a domain name. But I am a bit confused with name server. Right now I set it up through zoneedit.com which redirects on my IP. What should I look up for having this name server on my server?
[02:23] <j416> Stylee: chances are you won't be needing a local DNS. If you do, try googling "bind".
[02:24] <jmarsden> Stylee: You don't *want* to run a nameserver on your server, unless you actually understand what you are doing... just let zonedit or whoever run DNS for your domain.
[02:25] <osmosis_> pmatulis, ahhh...it is?!  Great!
[02:27] <Stylee> j416: thanks I will try jmarsden: well the domain registrar is another company, and I would prefer not to go through zoneedit
[02:27] <jmarsden> Then you have some learning to do.  Start with the Ubuntu Server Guide chapter on DNS: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/dns.html
[02:28] <j416> Stylee: also, I would recommend you read about how DNS works - you will realise that you may not need your own name server.
[02:29] <Stylee> well it is more like a hobby for me, so some learning doesn't hurt :)
[02:30] <Stylee> j416: but the domain registrar wants at least 2 name server addresses... well I will look it up
[02:30] <Stylee> thanks
[02:31] <jmarsden> Stylee: You're welcome, and yes, you need 2 DNS servers for a domain.  If you really really need to do this yourself, you can run a primary on your own server and find a free secondary for the other one, with a little work.
[02:31] <j416> Stylee: usually, either your registrar or your isp will have a DNS service
[02:31] <j416> I use one provided for free by my registrar.
[02:32] <Stylee> I see, and then this sends traffic to your IP?
[02:33] <jmarsden> Stylee: Where it sends traffic depends on the DNS info configured in the DNS servers, yes.
[02:33] <j416> Stylee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System
[03:46] <arbir> hello
[03:47] <arbir> is ubuntu server production ready ? is it being used by many organizations ?
[03:51] <ScottK> Yes
[03:52] <arbir> ScottK: i keep reading that Ubuntu locks the version.. what does this mean ?
[03:52] <ScottK> It means the once we release we don't update that release except in very unusual circumstances.
[03:53] <ScottK> The idea is to keep things stable once releases are done and only fix severe or security bugs.
[03:53] <arbir> so if php 5.2 is installed and its stable, then php 5.3 wont be installed , even if its stable ?
[03:54] <arbir> am i getting it right ?
[03:57] <arbir> ScottK: :-) are you there ?
[04:13] <arbir> anybody here ?
[04:14] <arbir> ScottK: are you around ?
[04:18] <arbir> hi CutMeOwnThroat
[04:18] <arbir> good to see you here :-)
[04:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> just checking if it exists and has people in it
[04:20] <arbir> hahah hardly
[04:21] <tos_> hi i have set up a virtual server under ubunti9.10-  running 9.10.. and opened SSH, how can i set the host os to forward SSH requests to the virtual BOX....?
[04:34] <ScottK> arbir: Yes.
[04:34] <arbir> ScottK: hi .. i have been trying to read up on the lock version ..
[04:34] <arbir> ScottK: so, if a package is in stable version , then it wont upgrade to the next stable version ?
[04:35] <ScottK> arbir: Yes, except for specific fixes for severe bugs or security issues.
[04:36] <arbir> ScottK: otherwise, is it the same debian packages  ? or ubuntu repackages its down stuff ?
[04:36] <arbir> ScottK: i remember installing mysql on debian . it prompted me for a mysql root password. does ubuntu do similar things ?
[04:37] <ScottK> arbir: We generally try to keep things in line with Debian except where we have good reason to deviate.  IIRC yes.
[04:38] <arbir> ScottK: so, then what am i looking at essentially if i chose one over the other ? just version numbers ? or kernel compiles etc ?
[04:39] <ScottK> It depends on what you are interested in.  Ubuntu has invested in a number of things that Debian hasn't.  For instance there are quite a number of hardening features that are pretty fully deployed in Ubuntu that Debian is just consider.
[04:40] <ScottK> Ubuntu has done a lot with making 'cloud' computing easier to use.  Other stuff too.
[04:40] <arbir> ScottK: hardening features like ?
[04:40] <ScottK> Let me see if I can find the page ....
[04:40] <arbir> ScottK: i have been read about the kernel.. and its pretty impressive
[04:41] <arbir> so ScottK, here is the question. when you pick a LTS version, then how are the packages upgraded if they are locked down ?
[04:42] <ScottK> Generally they aren't.  The point of LTS is to be stable.  There is also backports for specific packages, but those don't get the same kind of support that the regular release does.
[04:43] <arbir> ScottK: but in 2 years, php can jump more than 2 versions.. what happens then ?
[04:43] <arbir> ScottK: apache can jump 2 versions... i am just curious.. how ubuntu manages those.
[04:43] <ScottK> You can stick with the older version or move to a newer release.
[04:44] <arbir> ScottK: so, you mean, that, I can just do a dist-upgrade and move to the next set of packages.
[04:44] <ScottK> Essentially
[04:44] <arbir> aaah i see :-).. this is very interesting...
[04:44] <arbir> so if its a security patch for php or apache, then those are made available eh ?
[04:45] <ScottK> Yes
[04:45] <ScottK> Hardy was released with: php5 | 5.2.4-2ubuntu5 |         hardy
[04:45] <ScottK> Currently it has php5 | 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.9 | hardy-updates
[04:46] <ScottK> So it's been updated 9 times since Hardy (8.04) was released.
[04:46] <arbir> all those were for some security patches ?
[04:47] <arbir> hmm.. so, in essence, debian is more like a rolling release model.
[04:51] <kees> arbir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features
[04:51] <arbir> alright keex
[04:51] <kees> (that's the page that takes about a lot of the hardening bits)
[04:54] <arbir> kees: in terms of the package version numbers, how different is ubuntu from debian ? or we follow similar cycle ?
[04:54] <kees> arbir: during development, we keep up with Debian.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[04:55] <arbir> kees: hmm let me see that . .thanks
[04:55] <kees> basically ubuntu's versions are debian's for as long as possible, but maybe with some ubuntu tweaks, etc, which we send upstream for Debian to include in the next version of the package, etc
[04:58] <arbir> kees: oh, so , i am not looking at anything much different in terms of package versions :-).
[04:59] <kees> arbir: usually true, yes.  sometimes things a different, but it's on a case-by-case basis.  versions of things that aren't in Debian will have a NNN-0ubuntu... number (the -0 part meaning "not yet in Debian" as Debian's version would start at -1)
[05:00] <arbir> kees: by the looks of it, ubuntu is always a notch ahead in terms of version numbers :-)
[05:01] <arbir> kees: one huge factor for me to decide is, how stable are the dist-upgrades ? desktop, i can fix in 2 days, but server down for 2 days will kill me
[05:01] <kees> if it carries ubuntu modifications, yes.  it also depends on when you look.  after debianImportFreeze, Ubuntu will start to diverge
[05:01]  * kees is unclear on the question
[05:01] <kees> released versions of Ubuntu never change package versions except for security and grave bug fixes.
[05:01] <kees> dist-upgrade is always stable.
[05:04] <arbir> kees: suppose, i am on a release which is not going to be supported anymore
[05:04] <arbir> kees: so if i am upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10, its a small jump.
[05:04] <arbir> but if i decide to jump from 9.04 to 10.10
[05:04] <kees> you need to always use update-manager.
[05:04] <arbir> or 10.4
[05:05] <kees> moving between releases is not supported by apt or aptitude.
[05:05] <arbir> kees: aah i see :-).. great!  is update-manager a gui ?
[05:05] <arbir> or can it be run from console ?
[05:05] <kees> see http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[05:05] <kees> non-gui is called "do-release-upgrade"
[05:06] <arbir> yes, i see it :-). its fantastic
[05:06] <kees> cool  :)
[05:06] <arbir> kees: :-), its been very hard for me to decide between debian or ubuntu server for my platform.. but this conversation is opening up so many dark corners
[05:07] <arbir> i am glad, i am speaking to you
[05:07] <kees> I am biased, but the security hardening in Ubuntu is a clear win.
[05:07] <arbir> kees:  say you install mysql on ubuntu-server... now, does it prompt you to enter the root password for mysql ? or it sets it to blank by default ?
[05:08] <arbir> kees: listening to biased opinions is what gives a strong picture
[05:08] <kees> iirc, the mysql package by default will prompt on a freshly installed system.
[05:08] <arbir> if i listen to two extremes, then i understand...
[05:08] <kees> we would consider it a bug if it left it blank.
[05:08] <arbir> kees: wow, so, i can see, that ubuntu's packaging system is mostly like debian's...
[05:09] <arbir> kees: not just the apt, but the way the config files are handled..... etc etc.
[05:09] <kees> arbir: yes, except where things are changed, Ubuntu is Debian.
[05:09] <kees> that said, a lot of things are changed.  ;)
[05:10] <arbir> kees: wonderful..... changes show evolution .
[05:10] <arbir> kees: so tell me, why would people stick to debian and call it still very secure ?
[05:10] <arbir> kees: is it cause, security patches are released first for debian ? and then migrated to ubuntu ?
[05:11] <kees> Debian and Ubuntu have separate security teams.  If a package is in "main" it gets direct attention by the team.  if it's in "universe", Ubuntu will attempt to sync from Debian, take patches from the community, etc.
[05:12] <kees> generally, high-profile stuff (usually in main) is addressed quickly by all distros.
[05:12] <arbir> kees: great! its hard to find such crisp answers in any faq... on either of the websites
[05:12] <kees> and for Ubuntu, with the hardening features, it's usually less urgent to get a fix published.
[05:13] <kees> probably the weakest area for both Ubuntu and Debian are web apps, especially PHP.
[05:13] <arbir> kees: i am very impressesd....
[05:13] <arbir> why are they weak ?
[05:13] <kees> it's not easy to harden those -- PHP is a mess as a language and most PHP applications are not defensively written.
[05:14] <kees> that said, I use AppArmor to confine all my virtual hosts, so they can't overflow into other areas of my system.
[05:14] <kees> that's a feature no in Debian too
[05:14] <kees> but that requires some configuration like anything else.
[05:14] <arbir> aah i see. :-)
[05:15] <arbir> kees: so what do you use ? python? ruby ?
[05:15] <arbir> kees: or Mono :-)
[05:15] <kees> the virtual hosts I isolate are all PHP.  python's django is a better framework, IMHO.
[05:16] <MTecknology> arbir: you don't get any better security answers from one of the #1 security guys in Ubuntu :)
[05:16] <kees> I don't use ruby or mono on my system, but I'm sure you could find people here that do.
[05:16] <arbir> i keep wondering, how facebook runs well built on php
[05:16] <kees> MTecknology: heh.  I do worry about my bias, though.  :P
[05:16] <arbir> MTecknology: he is a very modest person. :-)
[05:16] <MTecknology> ya
[05:17] <MTecknology> iirc; twitter was built on ruby..
[05:17] <arbir> MTecknology: i have spent all day, trying to compare up debian and ubuntu for a server deployment
[05:17] <kees> arbir: dunno about facebook -- probably written carefully from the ground up.  is it really php?
[05:17] <arbir> kees: yes, thats, what i see and read on slashdot.
[05:17] <arbir> kees: is not the suhosin patch good enough >
[05:18] <MTecknology> I think php is extremely scalable if you're a 'good' programmer - ie. not many loops when they're not needed
[05:18] <kees> arbir: well, if it helps, Debian (and Ubuntu) use the suhosin patch
[05:18] <kees> MTecknology: yeah, it's a very powerful language; it just has a tendency to get misused.  ;)
[05:19] <arbir> kees: i need to run two servers.. i have freebsd for one... and now i think its going to be ubuntu
[05:19] <arbir> kees: its the C of the web ? :-D
[05:19] <kees> arbir: indeed.  :P
[05:19] <arbir> kees: not to say, that debian is wonderful byitself too!
[05:19] <kees> well, if facebook is php, they disabled the easter egg.  I still want to do that in Ubuntu...
[05:19] <kees> adding ?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42 to any PHP application will show a jpg.
[05:20] <arbir> kees: let me check that
[05:20] <MTecknology> arbir: I think both Debian and Ubuntu are excellent server systems but.... the community is what consistently pushes me away from Debian
[05:21] <arbir> MTecknology: whats up with the community ?
[05:22] <MTecknology> arbir: I'd rather not give you more bias; but go into #ubuntu and ask a debian question vs. go into #debian and ask an ubuntu question
[05:22] <MTecknology> kees: that doesn't happen on my site that's all php..
[05:23] <MTecknology> http://www.profarius.com/content/home?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42
[05:25] <arbir> its not happening on my free hosting site as well...
[05:25] <arbir> MTecknology: http://www.srimadbhagavadgita.co.cc/?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42
[05:25] <MTecknology> that sounded exciting though
[05:25] <arbir> MTecknology: what did sound exciting ?
[05:25] <MTecknology> the easter egg
[05:25] <arbir> MTecknology: hhahahah
[05:26] <arbir> still 4 months to go :--). i cannot wait for summer to get out of this freezing hell
[05:27] <arbir> its still -20 here
[05:27] <MTecknology> kees: make it work? I wanna see it
[05:27] <arbir> MTecknology: i could not make it work on the facebook website
[05:27] <arbir> MTecknology: it did work on my debian box though.. which i am about to uninstall and put on ubuntu server
[05:30] <arbir> MTecknology: u talk about community... i had a bad experience at the #httpd channel.
[05:30] <arbir> MTecknology: it seems admins dont like people asking them difficult questions, or beating them at an argument
[05:31] <arbir> MTecknology: though i must be truthful here. I dont use Ubuntu for desktops at all...
[05:31] <MTecknology> depends who you're talking to in there
[05:31] <MTecknology> the apache devs enjoy it
[05:33] <MTecknology> !irc
[05:33] <arbir> MTecknology: i was pulled into an argument, and when i backed out, i got kicked
[05:33] <arbir> MTecknology: what do you use for desktop ?
[05:33] <MTecknology> heh... That would tick me off
[05:34] <MTecknology> Ubuntu for everything. I use gentoo sometimes. I'm going to try OpenSolaris and Gentoo in a vm. I want to see if I can install Gentoo without any guide
[05:35] <arbir> MTecknology: i was on ubuntu desktop... and now for the past 2 yrs i am on arch desktop.
[05:35] <MTecknology> Then I'll probably tyr LFS in a vm
[05:36] <arbir> MTecknology: and seriously, i found, that updating a ubuntu desktop took me for ever....
[05:36] <MTecknology> really?
[05:36] <arbir> MTecknology: even now, when i tried out a version of ubuntu desktop, the notification, that shows up is non-movable..
[05:36] <arbir> MTecknology: i like my task bar at the bottom.. but the notification keeps popping up in the top :-). i have not yet found a way to move that, or disable that
[05:37] <arbir> somebody told me, i the ubuntu room, that, its not possible to change that
[05:37] <arbir> i found that answer weird, cause, the team is super smart with ubuntu, but i could never find a way out of that
[05:38] <kees> MTecknology: ok: http://www.profarius.com/?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42
[05:38] <arbir> MTecknology: and similarly.. i did not like that, i needed to install evolution . i dont use it... :-). is there a way to get rid of that ?
[05:38] <MTecknology> I use Ubuntu on my laptop. I installed the CLI version from the Alternate CD. Then trimmed a lot of packages, removed more, then installed just what I want, then removed packages I don't absolutely need.. Then customized the crap out of it. Then did a custom trimmed down kernel
[05:38] <arbir> MTecknology: hahaha the easter egg is popping
[05:39] <MTecknology> kees: COOL!
[05:39] <MTecknology> I like that
[05:39] <arbir> kees: can u do it at facebook too ?
[05:40] <arbir> MTecknology: its weird, that works only with a php page...
[05:40] <arbir> MTecknology: on my local box next to me.. i tried this http://192.168.5.8/php.php?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42 it works..
[05:40] <arbir> but without the php.php file, nothing shows up
[05:42] <arbir> MTecknology: which framework do you use for your PHP apps ?
[05:43] <MTecknology> Drupal
[05:43] <arbir> MTecknology: thts a cms, right ? can u develop apps with it ?
[05:43] <MTecknology> ya
[05:44] <MTecknology> technically, it's a CMF
[05:45] <arbir> whats a CMF ?
[05:45] <MTecknology> content management framework
[05:46] <MTecknology> speaking of communities behind what they offer; I should look into converting from irssi to weechat... If weechat can do the same thing I'm likely converting.
[05:48] <MTecknology> arbir: as for picking a distro; if you spend time figuring out how to customize the system the way you want you can make anything as fast as something else. It tends to come down to package management and community
[05:49] <arbir> MTecknology: yes, package management and community i agree
[05:49] <arbir> MTecknology: i found the bsd comunity very very friendly
[05:49] <arbir> MTecknology: i found ubuntu people very friendly.. and debian too!
[05:50] <arbir> MTecknology: some places, u get flamed a lot.. i remember installing gentoo from the stage 1 in 2002.. i got flamed like for ever.. and when i got the system, up, i also got a lot of respect.
[05:51] <arbir> MTecknology: sometimes, reading the Man page is not as helpful... u need instant info...
[05:51] <arbir> MTecknology: so much of the info is distrubuted in the man page.. that you just go mad, trying to narrow down to what you want exactly
[05:51] <MTecknology> I never got along with debian guys; I got a lot of great help learning to use gentoo (that's from stage 3 through)
[05:52] <MTecknology> ya
[05:55] <MTecknology> Debian and Irssi folke to me tend to be too much "look at the man you idiot" where the man lacks the answer you need
[05:56] <arbir> well.. i have been swept here by friendly folks.. i have really enjoyed it.
[05:57] <arbir> MTecknology: even gentoo servers are extremely fast i heard...
[05:57] <arbir> MTecknology: just that, compiling kills the life of ur machine :-)
[05:57] <MTecknology> ya...
[05:57] <MTecknology> gentoo servers are scattered everywhere in the world
[05:58] <arbir> MTecknology: and i have an old and faithful freebsd box, for all my devel needs... its really really great!
[05:58] <arbir> MTecknology: all my php apps, web2py(python apps) and ruby apps are developed here. and then i deploy them to a linux server for testing.
[05:59] <MTecknology> I never did give freebsd a chance - I should when I have time
[05:59] <arbir> MTecknology: and now that testing env. is going to be the Ubuntu server
[05:59] <arbir> MTecknology: you will never feel sorry you tried BSD... you grow to love it..
[05:59] <MTecknology> I use it as it's what sits underneath pfsense
[05:59] <arbir> MTecknology: frebsd is what i like. openbsd is good, but run by a dictator.. and i would instal firewalls or dns servers with openbsd.. nothing else
[06:00] <arbir> MTecknology: but i have been noticing Nexenta.... :-). its like a ubuntu with a solaris kernel.. i will try that out too sometime.. to see its performance
[06:01] <arbir> MTecknology: u seen nexenta ?
[06:01] <MTecknology> no
[06:01] <arbir> nexenta.org
[06:01] <arbir> the ZFS is a killer..
[06:01] <MTecknology> ya, I like their moto
[06:02] <arbir> and its just a ubuntu.. runs apt
[06:02] <arbir> gets all apps from the gnu userland
[06:02] <MTecknology> GNU folkes irritate me..
[06:02] <arbir> just like kffreebsd... the debian's freebsd kernel with gnu userland
[06:02] <arbir> MTecknology: hahaha.. well we all use software from the gnu userland
[06:03] <MTecknology> great software; but saying the OS needs to be referred to as GNU/Linux when Linux is the Kernel and GNU just has software
[06:03] <MTecknology> true; but that's not all we use
[06:03] <arbir> MTecknology: which web server do you use ?
[06:04] <MTecknology> apache
[06:04] <arbir> MTecknology: you will like this http://www.nexenta.org/TAoNM/01/1.html   . its amazing cartoon to explain nexenta... very well made
[06:05] <arbir> MTecknology: u tried nginx ?
[06:05] <MTecknology> no
[06:05] <MTecknology> I've heard of it
[06:06] <MTecknology> I really should try out some new software.
[06:07] <MTecknology> I think tomorrow will be a play day for me.... gentoo w/o guide + everything you said
[06:08] <arbir> MTecknology: i still have to evaluate a few more Oses for business hosting...
[06:08] <arbir> MTecknology: some clients ask for Redhat , but will settle for CentOS
[06:09] <arbir> MTecknology: some need specific solutions,, for which, ClearOS is good out of the box.. all things are pre-configured
[06:10] <MTecknology> I need to figure out how to figure out how much traffic each website is generating.. as in bandwidth usage. The problem is that almost every website I have is running under a couple apache configs
[06:10] <Hajuu> Hey guys, not sure if this is the best place to ask but I figure someone here might know
[06:10] <Hajuu> I want something to find me the difference between two directories contents
[06:11] <Hajuu> like to find all the files that have been modified in two previously identical folders
[06:11] <Hajuu> recursively
[06:11] <arbir> MTecknology: nginx is a little different to start of with. but once you like it. its amazing
[06:12] <arbir> MTecknology: also keep an eye on Cherokee-project.com a superb webserver.. with a small small footprint.
[06:12] <arbir> Cherokee is still not at production, i feel. i will wait for 1.0 to be out..
[06:12] <arbir> MTecknology:  nginx has been built by a russian... so its built with all those hackers and crackers in mind
[06:13] <Hajuu> anyone have any ideas?
[06:14] <arbir> Hajuu: no idea my friend... sorry
[06:14] <Hajuu> no problems, thanks
[06:15] <MTecknology> Hajuu: I'm wondering if rsync could help you....
[06:15] <Hajuu> I thought that was for getting stuff onto pda's and stuffs
[06:16] <MTecknology> or from one system to another
[06:17] <MTecknology> yup - it can help
[06:17] <MTecknology> rsync -au --dry-run /dir1/ /dir2
[06:18] <MTecknology> You could replace --dry-run with -n so just have -aun instead
[06:18] <MTecknology> -n, --dry-run               perform a trial run with no changes made
[06:19] <Hajuu> hmm
[06:19] <Hajuu> what does it actually do then
[06:20] <MTecknology> sync one directory to the other, but instead of running it'll just say what it's going to do
[06:20] <billybigrigger> man page for rsync will tell you what the -au swtiches do
[06:21] <arbir> MTecknology: what is this LVM option during my setup ?>
[06:21] <Hajuu> hmm
[06:21] <Hajuu> sounds good
[06:21] <Hajuu> ill check it out, thanks
[06:21] <MTecknology> !lvm
[06:22] <MTecknology> arbir: lvm is great if you have a usse for it and umm... don't.. (thinking back a few hours) uninstall lvm2 from your system
[06:22] <arbir> MTecknology: i just started the server install. .and i am at the point of partitioning, and its asking me for LVM.
[06:23] <arbir> MTecknology: i have not clue or exp with LVM.. so i am reading about it
[06:23] <arbir> MTecknology: i see, this is like creating a ZFS pool. similar concept
[06:24] <MTecknology> arbir: it's closer to raid; but more flexible
[06:24] <arbir> MTecknology: i see... ok let me experiment with it.. after all, i am evaluating stuff. before i settle down on a proper testing server.
[06:24] <MTecknology> arbir: play with it in a vm
[06:25] <arbir> MTecknology: oh brother.. my desktop is full.. no space for VM.
[06:25] <MTecknology> arbir: add say 5 drives to the vm
[06:26] <arbir> MTecknology: i have a discarded pc, its a P-4 / 2.0ghz with 512mb or RAM
[06:26] <MTecknology> then you can experience the real power of lvm
[06:26] <arbir> MTecknology: aaah i see.. i think, thats what i will need to do sometime soon..
[06:26] <MTecknology> raid is good for redundancy when you have mutliple drives of the same size
[06:26] <arbir> MTecknology: get a bigger HDD.
[06:27] <arbir> MTecknology: u must try out ZFS... its beyound RAID
[06:28] <MTecknology> for me, a bigger hd isn't feasible
[06:28] <MTecknology> zfs is a file system
[06:29] <MTecknology> zfs would sit on top of lvm
[06:29] <Hajuu> yeah zfs isnt beyond raid..
[06:29] <Hajuu> lol
[06:29] <Hajuu> learn before you speak.
[06:29] <Hajuu> :/
[06:29] <MTecknology> !zfs
[06:29] <Hajuu> You have to try ASDLGL1, it's better than ANYTHING!
[06:29] <arbir> Hajuu: u tried drobo ?
[06:29] <MTecknology> "ZFS is an open source file system"
[06:29] <arbir> Hajuu: they use ZFS for their systems... its amazing and even they call it, Beyond Raid
[06:30] <Hajuu> Great. Way to fall for marketing.
[06:31] <Hajuu> Marketing is where I tend to get all my information about the world.
[06:31] <arbir> MTecknology: not licensed under gpl 3 yet.
[06:31] <MTecknology> arbir: the license doesn't matter; it's a file system
[06:31] <Hajuu> hahah
[06:31] <Hajuu> yeah
[06:31] <Hajuu> jesus
[06:31] <Hajuu> quit talking like you know.
[06:31] <arbir> :-) yeah... thats for sure..
[06:31] <Hajuu> anway thanks for that MTecknology
[06:31] <Hajuu> good luck in here lol
[06:32] <MTecknology> Hajuu: did it get you the answer you needed?
[06:32] <arbir> MTecknology: i was just reading and i mentioned what i saw thre about gpl3.
[06:32] <PrickelPit> zfs in userspace via fuse, thats ugly :)
[06:32] <PrickelPit> better mss around with freebsd or solaris to use zfs
[06:32] <Hajuu> ill be checking it out later, if not ill be back lol
[06:32] <Hajuu> cheers
[06:35] <arbir> MTecknology: seems like my fingers and brain are not in sync.
[06:35] <arbir> MTecknology: i was reading it aloud in my head about the gpl3 and trovaldis's letter.
[06:35] <arbir> MTecknology: i just typed that in here.
[06:36] <MTecknology> oh
[06:36] <MTecknology> zfs doesn't look like anything I'm very interested in
[06:36] <arbir> MTecknology: why do you say that ?
[06:37] <MTecknology> I prefer to have the file system do one job only; manage files on the system
[06:39] <arbir> MTecknology: as long as it keeps ur servers running .. :-0
[06:39] <arbir> MTecknology: my ubuntu server is installing with LVM. i am going to play around with it.
[06:41] <MTecknology> for my basic usage; raid to bind drives together; lvm to bin partitions together; ext4 on top ov lvm; system on top of that
[06:41] <MTecknology> sometimes I'll feel something other than ext4; but that's what I use in general
[06:43] <MTecknology> once in a while I need to do software raid but I hate that
[06:49] <tos__> hi... ok, i have a virtualbox setup, running linux, the host is linux.... i want to make it so that if a user logges in to virtualserver1.myhost.com  it will connect them to their virtualbox which is using IP 192.168.122.127
[06:49] <tos__> how can i do this??
[06:50] <tos__> can bind9 control forwarding for something like this... ?
[06:51] <tos__> kind of like apache vhost
[06:57] <PrickelPit> make a login-script that autom. opens ssh to the vbox after user logged in to the host-machine
[06:58] <PrickelPit> why using vbox at all? kvm should be the choice.
[06:58] <tos__> well its virtual manager or whatever
[06:58] <tos__> what is kvm
[06:58] <MTecknology> PrickelPit: too bad that's not a choice for many :(
[06:58] <MTecknology> I'd love to use it
[06:58] <tos__> the 1 in gnome
[06:58] <tos__> is wht im using
[06:59] <MTecknology> !kvm
[06:59] <tos__> so im guessing its apt-get install kvm ?
[06:59] <MTecknology> both proc and bios need to support it though
[07:01] <PrickelPit> i played a long time with xen, now for 6 month using kvm and i dont wont anything else :)
[07:01] <PrickelPit> *want
[07:02] <tos__> can some1 explain real quick if its possible to have, if i have 5 public ip, and assign each ip to virtualbox... say 2 of the virtualboxes are running httpd.. on port 80.. both be able to lisen and accept connections, all behind a dsl router...? the protocol i have is G.993.2
[07:12] <jmarsden> tos__: Yes, that should be possible; set each virtualbox instance to use a different static local LAN IP, on a bridged interface, and use port forwarding on the router to redirect port 80 on each of the 5 public IPs to the corresponding local LAn IPs.
[07:13] <tos__> but my router, 2wire says only 1 ip can be a server.. it makes me do DMZ mode
[07:13] <tos__> am i screwed with this isp
[07:13] <tos__> its their equipment
[07:13] <jmarsden> Your router provides 5 public IPs but can only route/port forward one of them?
[07:13] <tos__> yep
[07:14] <tos__> gotta be a way around that
[07:14] <tos__> :/
[07:14] <jmarsden> You need to replace it with a router suitable for the kind of Internet connectivity you have (5 IPs).
[07:14] <tos__> its a dsl/modem router..
[07:14] <tos__> cant replace it
[07:14] <tos__> lol
[07:14] <jmarsden> Put it into bridge mode and put a real router behind it.
[07:15] <tos__> i probably just need to call them.. that option isnt available either,..
[07:15] <tos__> thanks for the advice
[07:16] <jmarsden> Every DSL modem/router I have come across can be put into bridge mode, and we do a lot of those for small businesses... have you read its manual carefully?
[07:16] <tos__> yes, man its at&t theyve got this thing firmware locked down so you cant use its features
[07:17] <tos__> they kid-proofed my router
[07:17] <tos__> no bridge mode etc
[07:17] <jmarsden> We have at least one client in Northern CA using AT&T DSL and we got it into bridge mode...
[07:17] <tos__> maybe theyll unlock that feature for me...
[07:17] <tos__> ill ask
[07:17] <tos__> thanks
[07:18] <jmarsden> OK.
[07:21] <tos__> yep they disabled it...
[07:21] <tos__> \-->bridge2 is NOT_PROV
[07:46] <arbir> MTecknology: are you still around ?
[07:47] <arbir> why is my server kinda choppy ? if i login it takes a while before i get to the prompt... when i type from a remote terminal ( within my LAN), its kinda choppy
[07:51] <jmarsden> arbir: Sounds like it is busy doing something, or else your network is busy doing stuff... use the usual performance tools to see what is taking up your CPU/disk/network
[07:52] <arbir> jmarsden: let me check.. and now, i cannot even bind to port 80. my lighty wont start
[07:53] <jmarsden> arbir: Why mess with that?  Ssh to the machine, sudo top, renice your top, see what is taking CPU... usual performance tools.  web servers are not performance monitoring tools.
[07:54] <arbir> jmarsden: i just found another issue now. my NIC stopped working in the middle of my ssh session.. seems like i have to restart it from my basement again :-(
[07:55] <arbir> jmarsden: man... this sucks.. my machine was perfect a while back
[07:55] <jmarsden> arbir: Then either hardware failed, or you changed something on a perfect machine .. if it was perfect you should have left it alone!
[07:56] <arbir> jmarsden: it has another OS on it.. and i just installed a fresh ubuntu
[07:56] <arbir> jmarsden: i have to investigate now... the nic is dying after 10 mins of bootup
[07:56] <arbir> jmarsden: this has happened the second time.. first time, i thought it was some crappy update
[07:56] <arbir> now its a real issue
[07:57] <jmarsden> Time to read your log files, I'd think.
[07:57] <arbir> jmarsden: yeah.. but right now.. i am off to bed.... too tired.. tomorrow morning with a fresh start
[07:57] <arbir> jmarsden: thanks a lot
[07:57] <jmarsden> You're welcome
[11:26] <orogor_> hihere
[11:26] <orogor_> i have some issue with dhcp
[11:27] <orogor_> as soon as there s a dhcp server ont he network the server use it and lose its static adress
[11:27] <orogor_> iface eth0 inet static
[11:27] <orogor_> address 192.168.1.10
[11:27] <orogor_> netmask 255.255.255.0
[11:27] <orogor_> broadcast 192.168.1.255
[11:27] <orogor_> auto eth0
[11:27] <orogor_> i have this in /etc/network/interface , it doesn t seems to help
[11:28] <orogor_> and i can t completely uninstall dhcp, another interface needs it
[11:59] <Jare> orogor_: i remember i was having the same problem once and it was because avahi took over the interface configuration. I think i just disabled avahi-daemon
[12:01] <tos_> if i installed ubuntu without the cloud option
[12:01] <tos_> how can i get back to the install screen
[12:02] <tos_> to install cloud
[13:02] <john_doe> I think pulseaudio is muted. How can I unmute it without graphical interface?
[13:11] <Thugal> alsamixer from a terminal?
[17:59] <Tunda> hello
[18:01] <Tunda> Is there a specific UEC channel
[18:18] <Tunda> Does UEC require only Intel CPU's that support VT or can AMD CPU's that support AMD-V also be used?
[18:25] <jpds> Tunda: I thought it ran on KVM or something like that?
[18:30] <Tunda> jpds: It does use kvm and the module is installed but I cannot attach storage or elastic Ip's without the instance shutting down and then I cannot seem to restart them until after a undefined period of time.  Quite lengthy.  after double checking https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall it shows VT extensions or VT 64bit multicore.  So I thought I should ask before banging my head against the wall anyfurther.
[18:41] <ScottK> If anyone is using Ubuntu packaged spamassassin, odds are it's broken today.  See Bug #502071 for details (testers needed).
[19:24] <arbir> hello.
[19:25] <arbir> how can i disable the extra ttys . i dont need 6 of them. just 2 will suffice. i can comment out the spawn getty line in /etc/init/ttyX.conf , but, is there a proper way to do it from a program ?
[19:37] <jmarsden> arbir: Editing /etc/init/tty*.conf is the proper way to do it, as far as I know.  But unless you are running on tiny embedded hardware or something, you'll gain almost nothing by doing that.  Have you benchmarked your system with and without those ttys enabled?  Is there a measurable performance difference?
[19:41] <jetole> hey guys. i have a system thta is showing 3 different network cards all with the same mac address  does anyone know why? also, all 3 are different make
[19:42] <jetole> additionally, udev is not auto detecting all, only one and it looks like udev is detecting the proper mac
[21:10] <RoyK> jetole: eeeerm - ifconfig -a is showing them all?
[21:39] <jetole> RoyK: I found out the issue, it has to do with libdnet/libdumbnet1
[21:40] <jetole> I have another issue, I suspect, which I am about to verify, seems a I have a reaktek card that seems (still waiting to verify) remember it's changed mac address permentantly
[21:41] <jetole> nope, not that
[21:41] <jetole> for some reason it is still pulling up the libdnet address
[21:44] <PolK_> Salut
[21:55] <RoyK> jetole: the mac address should be the one onboard
[22:08] <jetole> RoyK: it wasn't however
[22:08] <jetole> it was using the decnet/dnet address
[22:08] <jetole> I yanked the card and replaced it regardless
[22:08] <jmarsden> Some NICs will let you "permanently" write a changed MAC address into onboard EEPROM ... but that's hard to do without *knowing* you did it.
[22:08] <jetole> RoyK: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linux-decnet/index.php?title=FAQ4
[22:08] <jetole> notice the mac in the first question in the isolated box
[22:09] <jetole> that was the MAC on all cards before I removed libdnet and libdumbnet1
[22:09] <jetole> but that was still the mac on one card many boots later
[22:11] <jetole> jmarsden: also, since I know very little about dnet I don't know if it changed the MAC permenantly, all I know is it was installed initially as well as the libndnet-dev to compile... I think it was snort
[22:11] <jetole> debian/ubuntu have snort from the middle ages in the repos
[22:13] <jmarsden> jetole: So you have filed a RTP for a newer version of snort, right?
[22:13] <jmarsden> rmadison shows:  snort | 2.8.4.1-4ubuntu1 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, i386
[22:13] <jmarsden> Which doesn't seem all that middle-aged to me...
[22:31] <Doonz> hey guys im trying to reinstall lighttpd through apt-get. I had manually removed /etc/init.d/lighttpd but now when i reinstall lighttpd it doesnt recreate it. could someone copy me the base directory of /etc/init.d/lighttpd
[22:34] <jetole> jmarsden: you realize lucid is not yet beta
[22:35] <jmarsden> jetole: Yes.  But you did not specify a version of Ubuntu: <jetole> debian/ubuntu have snort from the middle ages in the repos
[22:35] <jmarsden> That version is in the repos.
[22:35] <jetole> fair enough
[22:35] <ScottK> Doonz: Here's a better idea: install it, then purge it (not remove), then install again.
[22:35] <jmarsden> Also, <jetole> debian/ubuntu have snort from the middle ages in the repos
[22:35] <jmarsden> Oops.  Also: snort | 2.8.4.1-3ubuntu1 | karmic/universe | source, amd64, i386
[22:36] <jmarsden> Karmic has a pretty recent version, it seems.
[22:36] <jmarsden> And Karmic really is released :)
[22:36] <jetole> no! Really?
[22:37] <jmarsden> jetole: So you could (if needed) use those packages as a base for your own updated snort packages, and so contribute the updated ones back to the Ubuntu community.
[22:37] <jmarsden> This would probably be more productive than complaints about the middle ages.
[22:37] <jetole> I didn't complain about anything
[22:37] <jetole> I justified why I compiled snort myself
[22:43] <Doonz> ScottK: thanx that works
[22:44] <ScottK> Doonz: When you want to remove config files, purge.  The package system assumes if you manually delete one you REALLY want it gone forever.
[22:44] <Doonz> but now im trying to follow the guide at http://www.ubuntugeek.com/lighttpd-webserver-setup-with-php5-and-mysql-support.html to enable php
[22:44] <Doonz> but when i goto my webserver and try to run the php file i get 403 forbidden
[22:44] <Doonz> what permission should i set to my php file?
[22:44]  * ScottK has successfully avoided all knowledge of PHP, but recommends you look at the permissions of the php file.
[22:45] <Doonz> yeah
[22:45] <Doonz> should it be read  and excute
[22:45] <ScottK> Owned by?  www-data maybe?
[22:48] <jmarsden> Doonz: Be aware that the (unofficial) guide you are working from is about 21 months old... details may have changed since it was written.  Only use a guide like that if you actually understand every step it tells you to do.
[22:48] <Doonz> i dont know anything
[22:48] <jmarsden> Then don't use random stuff you found by Googling :)
[22:49] <Doonz> but my www direcatory is owned by www-data, the test.php file has chmod 555 assinged to it. but when i pull it up in the webserver i get 403
[22:49] <jmarsden> Do you 100% *need* lighttpd rather than Apache?  If not, use the (official) Ubuntu Server Guide and install Apache.
[22:50] <Doonz> well yeah since the guides i keep finding refer to lighttpf
[22:50] <Doonz> well yeah since the guides i keep finding refer to lighttpd
[22:50] <jmarsden> Unless you have almost no RAM or you have a very highly loaded server Apache works fine.
[22:50] <jmarsden> Why are you reading random guides and not the official one?
[22:51] <Doonz> why doesnt the official guieds include creating multiple users running their own session of screen with rtorrent running with logging enabled from an irc bot that uses a php script to translate for flexget
[22:51] <Doonz> sorry but guides are only good if they actually help you
[22:51] <jmarsden> lighttpd has nothing to do with screen or irc bots.
[22:51] <jmarsden> If you have specific question, try asking them here.
[22:51] <Doonz> i did you told me to use another product
[22:51] <Doonz> typical answer
[22:52] <jmarsden> I suggested you use the product more people use for a web server than any other.  So that you can get better support from more people.
[22:52] <jmarsden> If you want to do it all on your own, go for it... the choice is yours.
[22:53] <jmarsden> How much of "multiple users running their own session of screen with rtorrent running with logging enabled from an irc bot that uses a php script to translate for flexget" have you achieved so far?
[22:54] <jmarsden> Which part of that do you want help with at the moment?
[23:14] <jetole> god damn! Sounded like Doonz was way over his head
[23:41] <RoyK> http://notalwaysright.com/i-deign-that-spain-stays-mainly-in-the-brain