[00:22] <Ahmuck-Jr> the emperor has no clothes
[04:23] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:24] <HedgeMage> hi, sbalneav
[04:25] <sbalneav> Heya HedgeMage!!!!
[04:25] <HedgeMage> Do you have a minute to look at something for me?  I'm working on ideas for the edubuntu.org redesign (though these are just rough thoughts -- I haven't even caught up with highvoltage to show him yet, I'm just showing them around to get input)
[04:25] <sbalneav> How was Christmas and Newyears?
[04:25] <sbalneav> Sure!
[04:25] <sbalneav> Lay it on me.
[04:26] <HedgeMage> The latest front page mockup is at http://imagebin.ca/view/KgCXBt.html
[04:28] <sbalneav> I'd replace "education obsessed-wing" with "Education activist cell" :)
[04:28] <sbalneav> Looks awesome
[04:28] <sbalneav> Love the Lorum Ipsums :)
[04:29] <sbalneav> Is our site drupal?
[04:29] <sbalneav> You do all that graphics stuff yourself?!
[04:30] <HedgeMage> Yes, our site is Drupal, though it needs updating badly... highvoltage and I talked about it at length after the meeting and have some plans.
[04:30] <HedgeMage> And yes, I did those graphics myself, other than the logo which I grabbed from somewhere a while ago.
[04:31] <sbalneav> I wish I could do graphics stuff.
[04:31] <HedgeMage> I'm not great at it -- at work I keep a pro designer on staff -- but this should be workable
[04:32] <HedgeMage> Here's a rough of the forum page: http://imagebin.ca/view/5n49WaF.html  (still unfinished, but a general idea, also shows how the header looks on a wider display)
[04:32] <sbalneav> So, the work you do, you own a business with a staff? Yowie Zowie! Awesome.
[04:32] <sbalneav> Nice!
[04:32] <HedgeMage> highvoltage and I talked about, instead of starting standalone webforums, creating forums linked to the existing mailing lists.
[04:33] <sbalneav> Ah!  That would be great.
[04:33] <HedgeMage> That way, we have instant traffic, and lower the barrier to entry for the most-used discussion fora.
[04:33] <sbalneav> I really hate the "Check the mailing list!  No Check the forums" dichotomy.
[04:34] <sbalneav> Ulitmately, what we really need is webforum software where the "database backend" is the mailing list :)
[04:34] <HedgeMage> That's exactly what we're building
[04:34] <sbalneav> Supah!
[04:34] <HedgeMage> The forum is just another way of accessing the ML
[04:34] <sbalneav> If you need some python/C help, lemme know.
[04:35] <HedgeMage> Thanks, but this is 100% PHP because that is what Drupal is in.
[04:36] <sbalneav> Everybody oooh's and ahhh's over people who can program. "Ooooh, you must be sooo smart to be able to program".  But programming's just crank-turning to a large degree.  Having a good eye for layout, being able to draw and manipulate graphics, know ing what fonts to use where, that an art.  Art takes *talent*.
[04:37] <HedgeMage> Programming takes a clarity of thought that most people don't have, though.
[04:37] <HedgeMage> I'm more coder than designer, though my artist has taught me some basics :)
[04:37] <sbalneav> I think a forum/ml integration could pretty much be a FS project on it's own.
[04:37] <sbalneav> You're better than I
[04:37] <HedgeMage> FS?
[04:38] <sbalneav> Free Software
[04:38] <HedgeMage> heh, thanks
[04:38] <HedgeMage> ahh
[04:38] <HedgeMage> The forum/ml gateway is already available as a Drupal module...it just requires configuration.
[04:38] <sbalneav> That'd be a winner if you got it going.  LOTS of projects would love that.
[04:38] <HedgeMage> I've used it on many sites before.
[04:38] <sbalneav> Really?!  How come we don't use it more?!
[04:38] <sbalneav> Wow
[04:39] <HedgeMage> Because most people working on these, while well-meaning, are doing it as a first Drupal experience.  I do it for a living, so I already know where all the cool toys are ;)
[04:39] <sbalneav> Supah!
[04:39] <sbalneav> Excited about the "re-vitalization" of Edubuntu?
[04:40] <HedgeMage> Yep. :)
[04:40] <sbalneav> Cool, when't the next meeting for F&O?
[04:40] <sbalneav> When's
[04:40] <HedgeMage> Can I look it up and jabber or email you?  I don't know off the top of my head but I think I have it somewhere.
[04:41] <HedgeMage> My usual strategy is waiting for dorenwen to remind me ;)
[04:42] <sbalneav> Sure, you know where to find me on jabber
[04:43] <HedgeMage> cool
[04:45] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: I'm starting to think about writing up the edubuntu redesign/upgrades in a case study for drupal.org -- I think it would both help other open source projects that aren't quite sure what to do with their sites, and give edubuntu some visibility -- what do you think?
[04:45] <sbalneav> Looks like I've actually managed to get some interest going for bug day.
[04:45] <HedgeMage> cool :)
[04:45] <sbalneav> Sounds like a great idea.
[04:46] <sbalneav> Are you, or have you ever considered, contributing upstream to Drupal?
[04:46] <HedgeMage> I have been for years :)
[04:46] <HedgeMage> I'm not one of the biggest contributers, but I'm active in the issue queues whether testing or submitting patches or whatnot.
[04:47] <sbalneav> Awesome.
[04:47] <sbalneav> It's great when you use a tool for your work, being upstream for the tool.
[04:47] <HedgeMage> Definitely.
[04:47] <sbalneav> It's like me with LTSP.  I use LTSP at work, and I'm a developer.
[04:47]  * HedgeMage nods
[04:48] <HedgeMage> The people who write the stuff invariably know it best.
[04:48] <sbalneav> It's like the old saying: if you know how to cook, you always get to eat what you want.
[04:48] <HedgeMage> :D
[04:48] <sbalneav> Being involved upstream guarentees you'll always get your itches scratched.
[04:49] <HedgeMage> Yes, and always know what's coming so you can be on the forefront.
[04:50] <sbalneav> Right, web consulting's a cutthoat business, lots of competition.  Being one step ahead = $$
[04:50] <HedgeMage> :)
[04:51] <sbalneav> Yeah, I think your designs would be awesome, and I'm REALLY liking the ML/WebForum gateway.
[04:52] <HedgeMage> Thanks!
[04:55] <HedgeMage> I'm going to treat myself to a long, hot shower, warm jammies, and my new slippers.  Be back in an hour, give or take.
[04:55] <HedgeMage> :)
[04:55] <sbalneav> kk
[04:55] <sbalneav> I'll be here
[06:23]  * HedgeMage returns, wearing awesome slippers
[06:23] <HedgeMage> (and pajamas...not JUST slippers)
[17:37] <HedgeMage> hi, alkisg
[17:55] <alkisg> Hi HedgeMage, how are you?
[17:58] <HedgeMage> alkisg: Not bad at all, you?
[17:58] <alkisg> Fine :)
[18:03] <ubunturookie> hi
[18:03] <ubunturookie> i have an acer aspire and i was running ubuntu 8.04 and my wireless was running i up dated to 9.04 and 9.10 now my wireless stopped what may i do to have my wireless again?
[18:05] <alkisg> ubunturookie: you should probably ask this question in #ubuntu, this channel (#edubuntu) is for education-related stuff...
[18:05] <ubunturookie> sorry
[18:05] <alkisg> np
[18:05] <HedgeMage> brb
[18:14] <HedgeMage> I'm back, but I may be slow to respond...I'm eating :)
[18:25] <alkisg> HedgeMage: about http://imagebin.ca/view/KgCXBt.html - you're doing a fine job! But, maybe the colors are a bit vivid?
[18:26] <HedgeMage> alkisg: check out http://imagebin.ca/view/5n49WaF.html  -- it's a work-in-progress of the forum page draft, with less punchy colors
[18:27] <alkisg> Yup, saw it, looks fine and it was much needed :)
[18:29] <HedgeMage> cool :)
[19:35] <moldy> hello
[19:36] <HedgeMage> hello :)
[22:39] <alkisg> !info empathy lucid