[00:01] <noaXess> !dvd
[00:02] <mauri> e_t_: probably the best thing is to buy a new cam
[00:03] <e_t_> mauri: I strongly suggest exhausting all the free options before spending money :)
[00:03] <mauri> e_t_: you are right :-)
[00:05] <faileas> mauri: have you tried compiling the driver from scratch?
[00:06] <faileas> some cameras need that iitc
[00:06] <mauri> faileas: im not an expert
[00:07] <faileas> mauri: you don't need to be ;p
[00:08] <e_t_> mauri: I'm no expert. I've been using Linux for only 9 months. What I have done is read and try new things. That's the way to become an expert at anything.
[00:08] <faileas> hm. they haven't been updated in two years ;p
[00:08] <faileas> which means the version in the distro should be the newest, i'd think
[00:11] <mauri> e_t_: yes  you are right.... but the time flies
[00:19] <mauri> faileas: do you drive me to compile the driver for the cam?
[00:19] <faileas> mauri: looking at the age of the drivers... i don't think it'll help
[00:19] <faileas> i did it about 3 years ago when they were still actively updated
[00:19] <mauri> faileas: where  I can find the date?
[00:20] <faileas> its pretty obviously placed on the site
[00:20] <mauri> faileas: the date of the driver installed on my system
[00:21] <faileas> oh
[00:21] <faileas> you can't
[00:21] <faileas> you might be able to cross reference version numbers - these should be visible to the package manager - say kpackagekit
[00:23] <mauri> faileas: do you know wchich is the latest karmic kernek version?
[00:24] <faileas> 2.6.31-16
[00:27] <mauri> may you tell me why on kernel.org is available the version 2.6.32.2 but it is not available under ubuntu repository?
[00:28] <faileas> mauri: cause usually distros lag behind the latest and greatest kernel
[00:28] <faileas> if you REALLY want the latest one, you'd need to compile it yourself
[00:30] <mauri> faileas: yes i understand thk
[00:48] <Alan502> Hi ;) can someone help me to share a folder on kubuntu? i cannot do it as i did on gnome
[01:02] <e_t_> Alan502: you can setup sharing in systemsettings > Advanced > Samba
[01:14] <x_link> Hi
[01:14] <x_link> How do I see where a program is installed?
[01:14] <x_link> I want to know where kcontrol is, but I forgot how it's possible to see it
[01:14] <x_link> Cause I want to make a shortcut till kcontrol on my desktop.
[01:15] <Alan502> try 'whereis kcontrol'
[01:15] <paco_the_taco> cant you just type whereis kcontrol ?
[01:15] <paco_the_taco> oo Alan502  :)
[01:15] <x_link> Alan502: Ahh right
[01:15] <Alan502> hahaha :)
[01:16] <x_link> Ahhh
[01:17] <x_link> kcontrol changed place, that's why i didn't find it
[01:17] <x_link> It was in /usr/bin/kcontrol before, but now it's not there
[01:17] <x_link> I just installed Kubuntu 9.10 with KDE3, cause I don't like KDE4
[01:18] <x_link> But when I tried 9.04 + KDE3 then I could install kedit and kview. I can't do that with 9.10 and KDE3.
[01:40] <mister_roboto> !root
[01:57] <quick> I installed a KDE desktop, restart, entered a very long time, there is no open, do not know if problems with it?
[02:00] <e_t_> quick: do you just see a black screen after you log in?
[02:02] <quick> no black screen, only logon screen
[02:02] <e_t_> you can't log in?
[02:04] <quick> yes
[02:04] <quick> The mouse has become the shape of kubuntu, but it's still the login screen
[02:05] <e_t_> OK, so you type in your name and password and it won't accept it?
[02:06] <quick> I have already entered my user name and password. Can I try to restart?
[02:07] <e_t_> You can try to restart. I don't know if it will do any good.
[02:10] <quick> yes, I have enter the Kubuntu
[02:11] <e_t_> quick: everything is OK now?
[02:12] <quick> no,The interface displays the screen smaller than my computer's screen
[02:13] <quick> I try to resize it
[02:14] <quick> Wonderful,is all ok
[02:15] <e_t_> quick: Good!
[02:15] <quick> thanks
[02:19] <lwieise87> can anyone tell me what sound driver (if any) is included in ubuntu9.10?
[02:19] <lwieise87> for an nForce chipset
[02:26] <lwieise87> nevermind my previous question. Google is my friend.
[02:45] <Guest71754> alguien me puede ayudar?
[02:48] <ToxinPowe__> sí, pero este canal es en inglés
[02:50] <Guest71754> ajam
[02:50] <Guest71754> no sabia
[02:50] <Guest71754> es que tengo un problema
[02:50] <Guest71754> no soy capaz
[02:51] <FloodBotK1> Guest71754: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:51] <Guest71754> de escuchar los videos
[02:51] <Guest71754> de youtube
[02:51] <Guest71754> los voe perfectamente
[02:51] <Guest71754> pero no los escucho
[02:51] <ToxinPowe__> #kubuntu-es or English Guest71754
[03:00] <gabex> anyone know if, after resizing the ubuntu / (only) partition and moving both it and the swap partition to the end of the disk, from the installer cd with gparted, if i need to do anything special (with grub??) to make sure it boots when it's done?
[03:04] <e_t_> gabex: make sure that grub is looking at the right partition number, it may have changed. /dev/sda1 would align to GRUB hd0,1, etc.
[03:11] <lwieise87> i've heard talk of the ALSA driver putting out subpar sound. is it just that or are my new speakers that craptastic?
[03:14] <e_t_> lwiese87: your question is impossible to answer without knowing your speakers.
[03:15] <lwieise87> logitech ls21
[03:16] <lwieise87> they sounded decent in the store. i'm not sure if it's because i'm playing music from pandora
[03:17] <e_t_> I have never had a problem with ALSA per se, but I run everything through PulseAudio. I'm no audiophile, but my tiny (tinny) laptop speakers sound great to me.
[03:20] <lwieise87> is there a way of finding out what driver i'm using?
[03:21] <e_t_> I don't know a way. Google might.
[03:22] <lwieise87> my motherboard has an nForce 2 chipset. it's AC97 5.1 sound. i plugged the input into the center channel since i can't afford a 5.1 system.
[03:22] <e_t_> If the outputs are color-coded, you should plug the cable into the light-green port.
[03:25] <lwieise87> i get nothing there.
[03:27] <e_t_> Click on the volume icon in the taskbar, then open the mixer and tell me what you see
[03:28] <lwieise87> no mixer option. i have sound preferences though
[03:28] <e_t_> in System Settings?
[03:29] <lwieise87> negative there as well. i'm running Karmic Koala if that matters.
[03:32] <e_t_> I don't recall anything named sound preferences. Are you using KDE4?
[03:33] <lwieise87> no KDE. gnome. yep...i'm in the kubuntu channel, eh?
[03:34] <e_t_> Yes. you might want #ubuntu
[03:35] <lwieise87> thanks e_t_. this was the default room Konversation put me in.
[03:39] <White_Pelican> I have a strange request. Or you might perceive it as strange. I like using kde4's new versions of the apps out there but am not comfortable with the DE. I am currentrly using gnome. How do I change the fonts in the kde 4 apps while in gnome?
[03:41] <e_t_> White_Pelican: does anything happen if you try to run "systemsettings"?
[03:43] <White_Pelican> yes, it crashes
[03:44] <e_t_> what crashes?
[03:45] <White_Pelican> systemsettings
[03:45] <e_t_> does it crash, or does it not open at all?
[03:45] <White_Pelican> it tries to open and I get the crash handler
[03:46] <e_t_> OK. try sudo apt-get reinstall systemsettings
[03:47] <White_Pelican> invalid operation reinstall
[03:48] <White_Pelican> should I remove it then reinstall it?
[03:48] <e_t_> replace "apt-get" with "aptitude", see if that works.
[03:49] <White_Pelican> now it says it's not installed
[03:50] <White_Pelican> very strange
[03:51] <e_t_> OK, let's install it. It may have some other KDE dependencies, but not too big. It should allow you to configure all sorts of things about your KDE apps.
[03:51] <White_Pelican> it crashes again
[03:51] <White_Pelican> sigsev 11
[03:51] <White_Pelican> sigsegv 11
[03:52] <White_Pelican> bear in mind I don't hav all of kde 4 installed, just the apps I am using
[03:52] <e_t_> OK. Try sudo apt-get install kde-minimal.
[03:52] <White_Pelican> for what purpose?
[03:55] <e_t_> System Settings is the only way I know of to (easily) change KDE apps appearance. Installing it directly, or kde-minimal should allow you to use it without bogging down with too many un-needed packages.
[03:55] <White_Pelican> looks like it wants to bring in a lot of apps
[03:56] <e_t_> what kind of disk usage?
[03:57] <White_Pelican> 112 mb's
[03:57] <White_Pelican> I'm also concerned it will affect my kde3 desktop
[03:57] <White_Pelican> pearson computing
[04:00] <White_Pelican> he calls it 3.5.11 - trinity
[04:00] <White_Pelican> I guess he forked it
[04:00] <e_t_> If you are only concerned about font sizes, you can directly edit ~/.kderc
[04:01] <White_Pelican> ah
[04:01] <White_Pelican> yes I am
[04:01] <White_Pelican> is it xml or a text file?
[04:02] <e_t_> text
[04:03] <White_Pelican> where is it located?
[04:04] <e_t_> /home/username
[04:04] <e_t_> At least, that's where it is for me.
[04:04] <White_Pelican> ok I see it but it's relate to my kde 3 settings, not kde 4
[04:05] <e_t_> You are using KDE4 apps?
[04:05] <White_Pelican> yes
[04:08] <e_t_> Do your GNOME settings not apply to KDE apps?
[04:08] <White_Pelican> they don't appear to no,and i don't know how to tell them to
[04:08] <White_Pelican> if there is such a way to
[04:09] <e_t_> With QtCurve, you can make GNOME apps look like KDE, but I don't know of a way to do the reverse.
[04:09] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[04:15] <paco_the_taco> hey, tried installing firefox with the installer kubuntu 9.10 gave me, when i launch it, it doesn't show up, and about 10-15 seconds after the mouse pointer changes back to default
[04:15] <paco_the_taco> when i launch firefox from the terminal i get a bus error, any ideas?
[04:17] <e_t_> White_Pelican: you could take a look at this: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1714/
[04:18] <paco_the_taco> e_t_,  any ideas?
[04:18] <e_t_> sudo apt-get reinstall firefox
[04:19] <e_t_> OR, post the error you get from the terminal
[04:19] <paco_the_taco> Bus Error
[04:19] <paco_the_taco> and thats all
[04:19] <e_t_> How entirely unhelpful
[04:20] <paco_the_taco> and this is my fault how/
[04:20] <e_t_> The error message, not you
[04:20] <paco_the_taco> ah, sounded like you were blaming it on me :P
[04:20] <e_t_> Sorry.
[04:20] <paco_the_taco> its fine
[04:21] <e_t_> Try a reinstall. Maybe it didn't get all its bits in place.
[04:21] <paco_the_taco> so i just run that command you gave me in terminal?
[04:22] <White_Pelican> e_t_, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to gather from that web site
[04:29] <e_t_> White_Pelican: mainly that other people have a similar problem. You may also wish to look at http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Styles/GtkStyle
[04:30] <e_t_> paco_the_taco: yes, just run "sudo apt-get reinstall firefox" in a terminal (without quotes)
[04:31] <paco_the_taco> e_t_,  http://pastebin.com/m750ac26d
[04:32] <e_t_> sudo aptitude reinstall firefox
[04:32] <e_t_> I guess apt-get does not have 'reinstall'
[04:33] <paco_the_taco> still not working
[04:33] <paco_the_taco> ( i mean firefox)
[04:36] <e_t_> paco_the_taco: press crtl+esc keys
[04:37] <paco_the_taco> now?
[04:37] <e_t_> Yes. It will bring up the System Activity box, like Windows' Task Manager.
[04:38] <paco_the_taco> yuppers
[04:39] <e_t_> In the search bar, start typing "firefox". That will isolate any running firefox processes
[04:39] <paco_the_taco> no firefox's running
[04:39] <e_t_> OK, just checking.
[04:42] <e_t_> "sudo apt-get purge firefox xulrunner-1.9.1" Then "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[04:45] <paco_the_taco> also e_t_ while trying to install i theme, i noticed i dont have install new theme, or remove theme, or apply theme paths (in this picture http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/87921-1.png)
[04:48] <e_t_> I don't understand
[04:48] <paco_the_taco> hmm i shall take a screenshot
[04:48] <paco_the_taco> btw firefox is working now, thanks
[04:48] <e_t_> Good.
[04:50] <paco_the_taco> e_t_,  the one on the right is mine 'http://i45.tinypic.com/mm3dyv.png'
[04:50] <paco_the_taco> i dont have the install new theme buttons on kubuntu 9.10
[04:53] <e_t_> I see now. Currently, you're using the Oxygen window decorations. "sudo apt-get install kwin-style-dekorator" will get you the DeKorator style that is used in the first picture. You can select which to use in the first (uppermost) drop-down box on that tab, once it's installed.
[04:54] <paco_the_taco> oo e_t_  your awesome
[04:54] <e_t_> I try.
[04:55] <paco_the_taco> oo now seriously :)
[04:56] <udee> skype performs much worse with ubuntu (voice and video) as compared to windows why ??
[04:57] <paco_the_taco> blame the developers.
[04:57] <e_t_> udee: because the Skype developers don't care as much about Linux as they do about Windows. Also, Skype is not open source, so the community cannot improve upon it.
[04:59] <paco_the_taco> e_t_,  what about installing a compiz theme?
[05:00] <udee> well any open source option on skype ?
[05:00] <faileas> udee: nope
[05:00] <paco_the_taco> oo changed my mind, i meant Emerald*
[05:01] <udee> :( thats so very sad i have to switch to windows to chat'
[05:01] <Roasted> whats up guys
[05:01] <e_t_> Personally, I like Kwin better than Compiz, but to each their own.
[05:01] <Roasted> udee - theres skype for linux.
[05:02] <e_t_> udee: take a look at Ekiga: www.ekiga.org
[05:02] <paco_the_taco> e_t_,  same,  any idea on installing a Emerald theme?
[05:06] <e_t_> I don't know if Emerald will work with KDE. To get compiz with KDE, install the package "compiz-kde".
[05:11] <restagner> i've got a 'mount' related question. i'm using Kubuntu 9.10 and i've searched the Net for the answer but i've come up empty handed thus far
[05:12] <restagner> each time i try to mount the cdrom from the command line, i get a 'fs type' , bad superblock, and the /dev/sr0 is read-only message
[05:13] <restagner> this use to be straight forward in past Kubuntu releases
[05:15] <e_t_> restagner: is there a reason not to use the graphical tools?
[05:16] <faileas> e_t_: its easier to give instructions in cli ;p
[05:16] <e_t_> Is this an audio CD? Or data?
[05:17] <restagner> the graphical tools work just great...however, i'm also using VirtualBox and when I boot up into the VM machine and run Windows 7, inserting a cd has no effect...that is, the cdrom does not appear within the virtual machine...works just fine in the host machine (linux)
[05:17] <restagner> audio CD
[05:17] <Roasted> How can I turn off the log in/out sounds to kubuntu? As much as I love kubuntu, the log in/out sounds are laughably retarded.
[05:18] <faileas> restagner: don't you have to explcitly attach the device in vbox? i haven't used it in a while, so i could be wrong
[05:18] <e_t_> restagner: it's impossible to mount an audio CD as far as I know.
[05:18] <restagner> falleas: hhhmmm...u could be right about that
[05:18] <e_t_> I think he is.
[05:18] <restagner> probably a setting i'm overlooking
[05:20] <e_t_> restagner: from Dolphin or Konqueror, you can try the audiocd:/ kioslave.
[05:21] <restagner> e_t_: ok...thanks folks, you've got me thinking about attaching the device in vbox as well as playing around with the audiocd:/ option
[05:21] <restagner> gonna give that a try
[05:23] <draik> is ClamAV available on the LiveCD?
[05:24] <faileas> draik: you can run it off one. i suppose.
[05:25] <faileas> er.. not by default i mean
[05:27] <xuCGC002> Roasted: If you're in KDE 4 try looking in Control Center for something related to "Audio" or "Sounds". In KDE 3 I know that it's under Actions>Settings>Sound & Multimedia>System Notifications
[05:28] <Roasted> yeah man I just found it actually
[05:28] <Roasted> thanks much!
[05:29] <draik> faileas: OK. Just curious about it.
[05:52] <mcurran> Can someone help me what type of source/command I can add to a custom script to refresh desktop on startup (.kde3)
[05:53] <mcurran> I have a keycode script I found online for F5, but this doesn't refresh the desktop in .kde3
[06:06] <Roasted> hey fellas - how is compiz set up with kubuntu? Do I use the manager like I do in ubuntu? Or are the features somehow integrated to kde?
[06:35] <Guest20332> is it possible to use the single instance of dolphin? like if it is already open, then hitting dolphin icon/link should open the same dolphin window instead of opening a new instance
[06:36] <Roasted> why not just use separate tabs?
[06:38] <Guest20332> but let's say if one instance of Dolphin is already running, and when I hit the dolphin Icon again from the menu, it opens a new instance of dolphin
[06:39] <Roasted> *shrug* I dont know how to force it to a new tab of the existing dolphin... it was just an idea
[06:42] <Guest20332> ohk, that's exactly what i want :) i want it to open a new tab, or just maximize the existing dolphin window rather than opening a new one
[06:42] <Roasted> yeah - I'm not too sure how to do that offhand to be honest.
[06:43] <Roasted> I run dual screen so I always have it opening in a spearate instance so Ihave both dolphin windows open at once
[06:43] <Guest20332> same is the case with some of the other aaps like kate, gwenview etc... it always opens a new instance
[06:44] <Roasted> kate has tabs too - not sure about gwenview
[06:47] <Guest20332> yea but how can you force kate to open a new file in tabview rather than openinig a new window
[06:48] <Roasted> no idea. I never came across a need for that dso I never found out.
[06:49] <Roasted> anybody running the 3d cube effects in kde?
[06:49] <Roasted> particularly with duals creen monitors?
[07:34] <dpyro> i have 110GB used on a 120GB partition but only 5GB used by the filesystem
[07:34] <dpyro> any ideas?
[07:40] <CntntsNdrPrssr> Okay, I've got three widgets on my desktop. I want to align them vertically. How do I go about this? I can't seem to find an option anywhere.
[07:45] <iconmefisto> CntntsNdrPrssr: I think widgets are meant to stay where you put them. I'm assuming you want widgets to be automatically aligned
[07:45] <CntntsNdrPrssr> iconmefisto: That or align one widget to another.
[07:47] <iconmefisto> you can align icons to a grid, but I don't think widgets work that way
[07:47] <CntntsNdrPrssr> iconmefisto: Alright, manually it is. Thanks!
[07:48] <iconmefisto> you can lock them in place one you've positioned them the way you want
[08:05] <joshdcrosby> new to kubuntu and linux for that matter. so far i'm loving it. i have a slow connection and would like to try out kubuntu. i have the cd but dont want to blow away ubuntu. any idea on how to do this?
[08:05] <faileas> joshdcrosby: you could just run it live
[08:05] <faileas> or install the kubuntu-desktop package alongside ubuntu
[08:05] <joshdcrosby> i did, love the live. want to dedicate this box to ubuntu/kubuntu
[08:06] <joshdcrosby> i have the cd, isn't a simple as copy or cmd line. trying to avoid downloading from synaptic. slowwwww clonnection here
[08:14] <iconmefisto> try adding the kubuntu cdrom to your sources.list, then install kubuntu-desktop
[08:15] <iconmefisto> in my sources.list, the cdrom is there but is commented out: # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 9.10 _Karmic Koala_ - Release i386 (20091028.5)]/ karmic main restricted
[08:17] <iconmefisto> oh, he's gone
[09:21] <yongda> good afternoon channel kubuntu
[10:47] <Toast> Hi, where does kopete store it's list of accounts? I'm trying to migrate my user data from one machine to another. I tried copying the /.kde/share/kopete directory, but it doesn't remember any of my accounts.
[10:57] <miguelinux> hola¿?
[10:57] <miguelinux> alguien habla español?¿
[11:02] <petsounds> !es > miguelinux
[11:15] <mauri> I'n not receive any karmic kubuntu update from apt-get upgrade from almost 1 mounth.....is it normal?
[11:16] <shadeslayer> mauri: yep.. if you dont have the unstable repos enabled
[11:17] <mauri> shadeslayer: sorry... but karmic kubuntu isn't the stable version?
[11:18] <shadeslayer> mauri: it is,but some repos contain beta packages,such as KDE 4.4 beta 2,if you have that repo then you will get the updates
[11:18] <shadeslayer> mauri: you do know what a repo is right?
[11:22] <mauri_> shadeslayer: sorry... but karmic kubuntu isn't the stable version?
[11:22] <shadeslayer> mauri: IT IS the stable version
[11:22] <shadeslayer> !repo | mauri
[11:28] <mauri_> shadeslayer: thanks, so it is normal that i didnt receive any update since 1 mounth?
[11:28] <shadeslayer> mauri_: yes!
[11:29] <shadeslayer> mauri_: although there should have been some bug fixes
[11:29] <shadeslayer> mauri_: try : sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade : to be sure
[11:36] <mauri_> shadeslayer_: nothing... i remember with the previous version of kubuntu that almost every day there are updates... now with karmic seems different.
[11:37] <shadeslayer_> mauri_: its called being more stable :P
[11:37] <shadeslayer_> mauri_: do you "want" upgrades?
[11:38] <shadeslayer_> mauri_: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-beta-2
[11:38] <mauri_> shadeslayer_: of course no.... the only my dubt was about samething wrong in my system. I know that has been made a very good job with karmic
[11:38] <shadeslayer_> :)
[11:38] <mauri_> shadeslayer_: may I ask you a question about remove a program?
[11:39] <shadeslayer_> mauri_: sure,but please be quick
[11:40] <mauri_> shadeslayer_: I will try.
[11:40] <shadeslayer_> mauri_: whats the question?
[11:41] <mauri_> shadeslayer_: In the last days i've tried to compile e install svn version of amsn
[11:41] <shadeslayer_> ok,and?
[11:41] <mauri_> shadeslayer_: the question is: how can remove the applications dont installed by kpackagekit?
[11:42] <shadeslayer_> mauri_: sudo apt-get remove (package name goes here)
[11:42] <shadeslayer_> mauri_: so if you want to remove amsn : sudo apt-get remove amsn
[11:43] <emilian> mauri_: make uninstall in the source tree
[11:43] <emilian> mauri_: if you've tried to install it from source
[11:43] <mauri_> shadeslayer_: ok i.ve tried but it didn't work... probably my fault something..
[11:43] <shadeslayer_> emilian: he wants to remove the package installed by kpackagekit
[11:43] <mauri_> emilian: please may yoou explain
[11:43] <shadeslayer_> mauri_: um did you install it from the repo in the first place?
[11:44] <emilian> mauri_: you've done svn checkout something
[11:44] <candy> shadeslayer_, :-)
[11:44] <slow-motion> hi
[11:44] <emilian> mauri_: then ran make install, right?
[11:44] <candy> slow-motion, hi
[11:44] <shadeslayer_> candy: ?
[11:44] <mauri_> emilian: yes
[11:44] <slow-motion> hi candy
[11:44] <emilian> mauri_: do the same svn checkout
[11:44] <candy> shadeslayer_, hi
[11:44] <candy> slow-motion, hi how r u... how u doint
[11:44] <shadeslayer_> hey :)
[11:44] <emilian> mauri_: but after make install do make uninstall
[11:44] <emilian> mauri_: that should remove all the installed files
[11:44] <jxjl> good morning, I have some problems with my disk and it seems that some of system files are broken (for example I can't boot new kernel, but I can boot the older one), Is there any way, how to tell apt to check installed packages and reinstall broken ones?
[11:44] <candy> slow-motion, im a newbie to this irc... what about u
[11:45] <shadeslayer_> anyways ive got to go :P
[11:45] <candy> shadeslayer_, just a smiley.. nothing...
[11:45] <candy> slow-motion, hey u there...
[11:47] <mauri_> emilian: If i known it , I would have avoided to reinstall karmic :-)
[11:47] <mauri_> emilian: it's always a plausure speck with us guys....
[11:47] <emilian> mauri_: guess it will help you next time
[11:48] <mauri_> emilian: of course
[11:48] <mauri_> emilian: thanks for your time
[11:49] <emilian> mauri_: no worries. i was actually just checking out the irc channel
[11:49] <emilian> mauri_: i'm not a regular here
[11:51] <mauri_> emilian: thans anyway
[12:22] <shappie_> Hi, how do i disable (blacklist) ipv6?
[12:32] <nico__> Hi every one
[12:33] <nico__> I can't find anymore how to activate animated wallpapers like the globe, animated pictures... They do not appear from the dcroll menu in the descktop setting window
[12:35] <Kransac> oups I closed the windows :$
[12:49] <asas1206> 안녕하세
[12:49] <asas1206> 요
[12:49] <asas1206> 리눅스에서 쇽웨이브는 안되나요
[12:49] <asas1206> 되면 얻는 방법이라도
[12:57] <petsounds> !korea
[12:59] <asas1206> !korea
[13:32] <fujimitsu> i just wanna know how to disable kacpid on 9.10
[13:37] <andy_> i want to install vlc with konsol
[13:58] <hjb> Hi. is it save to upgrade an 9.04 system to 9.10 throught the update notifier?
[13:59] <hjb> Or are there any known porblems i might expect?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> hjb: a clean install is recommended but the update notifier will upgrade just fine
[14:01] <shadeslayer> hjb: and if you want a crash free upgrade,safest way is the terminal
[14:03] <hjb> shadeslayer: ok, then i'm not going to do it now. I'll try when i have some more time
[14:03] <hjb> shadeslayer: in case i have to fix things up.  can't leave my father with a broken pc ;-)
[14:04] <shadeslayer> hjb: hehe.. btw if you want a trouble free upgrade i would suggest : do-release-upgrade : via a terminal
[14:05] <hjb> shadeslayer: oh, there's a special command. Then i'll use that. Thanks :-)
[14:07] <shadeslayer> hjb: no problem :)
[14:07] <shadeslayer> hjb: itll replace the sources.list with the karmic list and do apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:10] <hjb> shadeslayer: ah ok
[14:11] <hjb> shadeslayer: ok, thanks you. bye
[14:13] <paines> hi
[14:13] <paines> i want to use the network-manager-applet to setup a mobile broadband conenction via my mobile phone (bluetooth). how would i do that ? i can't seem to find any documentation on that topic
[14:14] <rstob911> paines: do you have a data plan and smartphone
[14:15] <paines> nope
[14:15] <paines> what is a data plan ?
[14:15] <shadeslayer_> hehe..
[14:15] <shadeslayer_> paines: its something that allows you to set up your phone as a modem
[14:16] <shadeslayer_> paines: for example  blackberry services offer a data plan
[14:16] <paines> i see
[14:16] <shadeslayer_> paines: with a data plan you can browse the web on your phone too
[14:17] <paines> okay. i think i get the idea
[14:22] <piovisqui> i need help with ktorrent, it's too slow. I have already configured all network stuff, like port forwarding and encryption
[14:22] <piovisqui> but still 10k/s of download
[14:24] <rstob911> piovisqui: try to use kget for torrents see if it is faster
[14:25] <petsounds> maybe there's a problem with tracker
[14:26] <piovisqui> rstob911: kget downloads torrents? i ddin't know
[14:26] <rstob911> yes it does
[14:26] <piovisqui> i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/350812/
[14:26] <paines> shadeslayer_: thanks. i just browsed and found out that i may need blueman. thanks for help.
[14:26] <piovisqui> with almost all peers
[14:27] <rstob911> piovisqui: is that from kget
[14:39] <pat|nG> is it possible that i could run a 3D desktop on kubuntu? like i'll install it thru virtualization? can i run it? my friend told me that it wont work...is it true?
[14:42] <da> join #ubuntu
[14:46] <jussi01> da: please dont recomend kubuntu users to join #ubuntu
[14:46] <jussi01> pat|nG: yes, it is
[14:46] <jussi01> pat|nG: which gfx card do you have?
[14:46] <pat|nG> i got an ati built in on my lappy
[14:47] <pat|nG> and i've read some of the forums that dealing wid ATI gfx cards are pain and too much problem runnin the 3D desktop
[14:47] <jussi01> pat|nG: ok, youll need the ati restricted drivers iirc
[14:47] <jussi01> pat|nG: which version of kubuntu?
[14:47] <pat|nG> i'm still plannin to change it to nvidia
[14:47] <pat|nG> i just downloaded the new version from the site
[14:48] <pat|nG> i'm still new to this stuff
[14:48] <jussi01> pat 9.10?
[14:48] <jussi01> pat|nG: ^^
[14:48] <pat|nG> yup
[14:48] <pat|nG> wid the kde4 on it
[14:49] <jussi01> pat|nG: ok, Im not sure about your driver situation, but you can attempt to turn on 3d effects with: system settings -> desktop -> enable desktop effects
[14:49] <pat|nG> i was reading on the installation process too
[14:50] <pat|nG> mind if i'll ask?
[14:50] <da> I wont...
[14:50] <jussi01> pat|nG: ask away!
[14:50] <jussi01> !ask | pat|nG
[14:51] <pat|nG> sori dude
[14:52] <pat|nG> i was plannin to do some virtualization for both my os
[14:52] <pat|nG> i got vista and i'll try to install the kubuntu on it thru vmware
[14:52] <pat|nG> is it awkie?
[14:53] <pat|nG> or i'll have to deal lots of problems on my way for installin the said kubuntu os?
[14:53] <Vroomfondle> pat|nG: it should work fine
[14:56] <pat|nG> You have a choice here to either install Kubuntu on the hard drive alone or keep your Windows installation and install Kubuntu next to Windows. <--- what does it mean? i don't get it...if i do i'm not sure of it...mind to explain?
[14:57] <Vroomfondle> if you're using vmware, just choose "on the hard drive alone"
[15:11] <pat|nG> Vroomfondle: if i'll try that vmware thingy can i still run the 3D desktop on it?
[15:12] <ToxinPowe__> with very low performance yes, IMHO
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[15:29] <lukefeil> hello
[15:29] <lukefeil> i've a problem with a modul
[15:30] <lukefeil> i compiled a modul for my webcam
[15:30] <lukefeil> when i use "insmod" it's work fine
[15:30] <lukefeil> but with modpobe it's won't work
[15:31] <lukefeil> because of that , an entry in /etc/modules won't work
[15:31] <lukefeil> and i have to load the modul every startup by myself
[15:32] <lukefeil> do anybody got an idea/solution?
[15:36] <Alarm> hello. i installed some icons from kde-looks. although all icons get updated in the systems. folders remain the default ones (oxygen) . this happens on every kind of icons i tried to install
[15:45] <blacksands> how did you install the icon theme?
[15:45] <blacksands> did you install it through the folder view settings
[15:45] <Alarm> from system settings.
[15:46] <Alarm> appearance -> icons
[15:46] <blacksands> right
[15:46] <Alarm> install theme file
[15:46] <Alarm> all icons change. for applications, devices, except of the folders. this happens to any kind of theme i downloaded . even to most populars. (which include the folder icons inside as much i saw)
[15:47] <blacksands> hmmm
[15:47] <blacksands> are you using dolphin
[15:47] <blacksands> or nautilus
[15:47] <Alarm> if i go to the "Advanced" tab in the window where i install the icons, i see the icons of the theme installed. not the default oxygen ones. but nothing changes in my file browser
[15:47] <blacksands> i remember having conflicts with both kde and gnome installed
[15:47] <Alarm> dolphin
[15:48] <iconmefisto> have you logged in or restarted since installing them, Alarm?
[15:48] <Alarm> yeap
[15:48] <Alarm> tried that
[15:49] <blacksands> maybe you could check your icon cache
[15:49] <blacksands> which i think is this one
[15:49] <blacksands> a   /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER/kpc
[15:50] <blacksands> nevermind
[15:50] <Alarm> ok. and check what in there ?
[15:51] <blacksands> i'm looking for the cache of the images
[15:51] <blacksands> wherever it is you could just delete the files
[15:51] <blacksands> then restart
[15:51] <blacksands> but actually restarting should have the same effect
[15:54] <blacksands> alright Alarm try reading this
[15:54] <blacksands> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=819415
[15:54] <blacksands> looks like it might be a common problem
[15:54] <Alarm> ok i am going to this link
[15:55] <blacksands> but LinuxIsInnovation made a good post
[15:55] <zaphira13> Hey guys When i am sending a file from pidgin it goes slow as hell Why?? Can someone help me with this?
[15:57] <Alarm> blacksands, i am reading the thread. this is how it looks like http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?02f1372df7.jpg
[15:57] <blacksands> yeah thats kinda what i was thinking
[15:58] <blacksands> did you read the post by LinuxIsInnovation
[15:58] <blacksands> that seems promising
[15:58] <blacksands> also the post by ethos101
[15:58] <Alarm> ess Ctrl+H and open the .icons folder. Open the theme folder.
[15:58] <Alarm> That is, goto ~/.icons/themename/48x48/places and replace the folder.png and gnome-fs-directory.png......
[15:58] <Alarm> yeap just read it . i am going to try it
[15:59] <blacksands> ok cool
[15:59] <Alarm> is it bad that i dont got an .icon folder in my home directory ?
[16:00] <blacksands> should be .icons
[16:00] <blacksands> not .icon
[16:00] <Alarm> there isnt any directory with such a name listed in my home dir
[16:00] <blacksands> really?
[16:00] <blacksands> did you show the hidden folders already?
[16:01] <blacksands> or you can just manually type in the directory
[16:01] <blacksands> a /home/user/.icons
[16:01] <iconmefisto> seems that is a ubuntu gnome icon folder
[16:01] <Alarm> yeap 100%
[16:02] <Krezkey> Hey guys how do you run a install script
[16:02] <blacksands> yeah that is a good point
[16:02] <Alarm> i just also for the hidden files. as iconmefisto  said it could be that its for gnome
[16:05] <blacksands> okay the best i can find so far is that the folder icons are located in the places folder
[16:06] <blacksands> maybe this will help
[16:06] <blacksands> this guy is manually putting the icons in http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/changing-the-default-blue-folder-icon-in-kde4-683880/
[16:07] <Alarm> ok will check that too. i tried also yesterday to replace my self the icons but didnt manage a lot
[16:10] <iconmefisto> Alarm: do you have a link for one of the icon themes you downloaded?
[16:10] <Alarm> sure
[16:11] <Alarm> i've downloaded the "classics ones" vista inspirate , nuvox, kde4 crystal diamond. all from kde-looks.
[16:11] <Alarm> http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=down&page=0&xcontentmode=22x27
[16:14] <Alarm> i think i found some instruction on the comments down here http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Crystal+Project?content=60475
[16:25] <Lynoure> I'm not sure if I'm using Compiz or Kwin, or both (seems like both, but how can that be?), how do I find out and which should I use?
[16:26] <Alarm> why would someone use compiz or kwin for kde4 ?
[16:28] <Lynoure> Alarm: I'm not sure what I'm using, just that I use Compiz manager to get the desktops to behave...
[16:29] <Lynoure> Alarm: I mostly just want desktops I can switch with pointer at the edges, or with keyboard combos. The question was how to find out what I'm using...
[16:32] <Lynoure> Alarm: Do you know how to find out?
[16:32] <Alarm> unfortunatelly. sorry
[16:32] <Alarm> long time since i last used compiz and kwin
[16:33] <Lynoure> Alarm: What do you use?
[16:33] <Alarm> simple kde4.2
[16:34] <Alarm> has already many effects for my needs
[16:34] <Lynoure> Alarm: What is the KDE4's native desktop effects nowadays?
[16:34] <Lynoure> I thought it was kwin.
[16:34] <Dragnslcr> It is
[16:35] <Alarm> yeah  i think the default effects are kwin
[16:35] <Dragnslcr> KWin can do desktop switching with shortcut keys. I think it can do it with screen edges too
[16:35] <Alarm> i mean i just didnt bother installing extra software
[16:35] <iconmefisto> yes it can do it with screen edges
[16:35] <Lynoure> Dragnslcr: any ideas how to do away with compiz and get that with kwin?
[16:36] <Dragnslcr> Well, uninstall compiz
[16:36] <Lynoure> I just switched back to kde from gnome recently
[16:36] <Lynoure> and might want to keep compiz for gnome, just in case
[16:37] <Dragnslcr> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> KWin
[16:38] <ionut> i have downloaded the file on my computer (here in local ) but is hidden and i can't see it, how can i modify his properties from the terminal ?
[16:40] <alfa> ciao
[16:42] <Lynoure> Hmm, something still wrong...
[16:43] <Lynoure> I'm playing with Screen Edges, and Present Windows is not activating from it's designated corner yet
[16:44] <Lynoure> Seems I get a desktop grid instead.
[16:50] <Krezkey> does anyone know where to find a file named ~/ .xscreensaver   I can't even find it with file/folder search
[16:51] <jussi01> Lynoure: you are playing with it in systemsettings?
[16:51] <jussi01> Krezkey: go to your home folder in dolphin, then go to veiw -> show hidden files
[16:53] <Krezkey> ok did that
[16:53] <jussi01> Krezkey: you should now be able to see the file if it exists
[16:54] <Krezkey> would that stop the find file/folder from seeing it also ?
[16:54] <Krezkey> search tool
[16:57] <iconmefisto> not if you searched for .xscreensaver
[16:57] <iconmefisto> the initial dot in the filename is what makes it hidden normally
[16:58] <Krezkey> whats the ~/ part for ?
[16:58] <iconmefisto> that's shorthand for your home folder
[16:58] <Krezkey> ok.  still learning this linux stuff
[16:59] <Lynoure> jussi01: there indeed. Seems logging out and back in helped... and mysteriously changed the way how font sizes look, everywhere.
[16:59] <Lynoure> jussi01: next step would be finding out how to get laptop screen turned of if (and only if) external monitor is plugged in.
[17:01] <jussi01> Lynoure: the font sizes is a known bug on some cards (or used to be?) - just go set the force font dpi to 996
[17:01] <jussi01> er 96
[17:01] <iconmefisto> yeah, don't change it to 996 !
[17:02] <Lynoure> jussi01: I wonder if this is the bug or the correct state...
[17:03] <jussi01> Lynoure: hehe, perhaps
[17:41] <jason__> Is there a GOOD way to change my resolution permanently besides krandr tray?
[17:43] <Wolfcastle> hello
[17:44] <oobe> anyone know how to restart kicker if my panel crashes in kde?
[17:47] <iconmefisto> kde3?
[17:47] <jason__> any idea, fellas?
[17:52] <iconmefisto> jason__: what do you mean? you can change resolution, but it doesn't stick?
[17:54] <jason__> I can change the resolution in krandr tray and its fine. But when I reboot, it reverts back to native resolution. I was told to just add kranr tray to auto-start on system startup, so I did. But when it changes my resolution on startup, sometimes it gets mixed up. Sometimes it doesnt display my panel right and I have to manually reset the resolution to something else, THEN Back to what I want to get it displayed right.
[17:55] <jason__> I just want a way to change the resolution sensibly. Gnome can do it. I'd like to do the same thing in KDE since that's all I use now.
[17:55] <Dragnslcr> Did you try System Settings -> Display?
[17:56] <BluesKaj> krandr tray doesn't seem to hold it's settings
[17:58] <jason__> blueskaj - it holds the settings, but it needs to be running. So when you restart, krandr tray isnt running, so it appear as if it doesnt hold.
[17:58] <jason__> but if you add kranr tray to auto start, its fine, however sometimes it doesnt display it right.
[17:59] <jason__> earlier I booted up and only a thin line of my panel was visible. It was clear the resolution didnt load properly. So I reset it, changed back to 1280x1024 (the res I want) and blam. Perfect.
[17:59] <x_link> Hi
[17:59] <x_link> I just installed 64-bits kubuntu, I want to install flash. I used some script I found on google. But it doesn't seem to install flash 64-bits
[17:59] <x_link> How do you guys install it?
[18:00] <x_link> I'm using 8.04
[18:00] <BluesKaj> jason__, Dragnslcr 's suggestion should work , that's how I managed to retain my settings
[18:01] <pog1> Hi, dolphin 4.3.4 in karmik  show me the same partition duplicated, there is a solution for this?
[18:01] <jason__> what is dragnslcr's suggestion?
[18:04] <iconmefisto> Did you try System Settings -> Display?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> jason__, System Settings -> Display
[18:04] <jason__> blueskaj - system settings - display IS kranr tray
[18:06] <BluesKaj> system settings size and orientation is what displays on my dialog box
[18:07] <BluesKaj> there no reference to krandr tray, or whatever it's called
[18:08] <iconmefisto> krandrtray can open the same display settings dialog
[18:09] <jason__> blueskaj - its the same thing.
[18:10] <iconmefisto> jason__: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Resetting%20an%20out-of-range%20resolution
[18:11] <jason__> iconmefisto: Hmm, I've heard of this before.
[18:12] <jason__> iconmefisto: I'm not entirely sure which one I should use. If I want my resolution to be 1280x1024, do I just run xrandr 1280x1024 or do I need --output or what?
[18:14] <iconmefisto> jason__: I think it depends on whether you have more than one monitor connected
[18:14] <jason__> hmm
[18:14] <Icari|mac> anyone here know much about networks? i have found my new desktop can not get an ip address after inital boot, so wired network works one time and will not conect after a disconnection, wifi will not connect at all, cant find ip address
[18:14] <jason__> well Im on a single monitor now...
[18:14] <jason__> gosh I wish kde wasnt so retarded with screen resolution
[18:14] <jason__> something so simple shouldnt be this much of a headache
[18:14] <Icari|mac> i wish
[18:15] <Icari|mac> jason__: you the same guy that was trying to help me with my wifi card the other day?
[18:16] <iconmefisto> xrandr with no options will show you what is available. xrandr --help will show you options and syntax
[18:16] <njathan> i am using kubuntu 9.04. I feel the menu icons are a bit too large... Is there a way to choose 'smaller icons' somewhere?
[18:16] <jason__> Icari|mac: ehh Im not sure. I was in here asking about WICD but that was it.
[18:16] <Icari|mac> yea i am using wicd now
[18:17] <jason__> I like WICD a lot man.
[18:17] <jason__> wait yeah I was talking to you about my signal wasnt I?
[18:17] <Icari|mac> female ;)
[18:17] <jason__> WAIT
[18:17] <jason__> yeah you had that... issue
[18:17] <jason__> interface file, etc
[18:17] <jason__> Did you get it working?
[18:18] <Icari|mac> well it seems the wireless can view fine but wired network and wireless cant get ip after inital boot, i have not been able to get ip address on wireless at all
[18:18] <Icari|mac> for example if my internet drops i have to reboot for WIRED network to get connected again
[18:18] <jason__> did you reset your interface file back to default?
[18:19] <Icari|mac> yes that has not helped that i have seen so far, but i think atm it is still modified
[18:20] <Icari|mac> for wired network it has auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp in interface file
[18:20] <Icari|mac> *interefaces
[18:21] <jason__> Icari|mac: whatever is in the interface "rules all", so what WICD and what NetworkManager would be set to, it wouldnt matter since the interface file would rule all.
[18:21] <jason__> Icari|mac: So if you have ONLY your loopback (auto lo and the 2nd line, forget what it is) hooked up, then you add a wired interface in NM or WICD, it should pick up and take priority since interface file wouldnt have anything preloaded.
[18:22] <Icari|mac> would those 2 lines keep the wired network from getting ip address after inital boot?
[18:22] <jason__> No, those 2 lines are required to do ANYTHING. It's your loopback. Windows has it as well. Pretty much any OS working on the TCP/IP stack would have it = loopback is 127.0.0.1 across all systems.
[18:22] <Icari|mac> no that was added for eth0
[18:23] <jason__> Icari|mac: one second, lemme pull my file up
[18:23] <Icari|mac> ok
[18:23] <jason__> a default interface file will have ONLY the following in it
[18:24] <jason__> auto lo (line one) iface lo inet loopback (line two)
[18:24] <Icari|mac> if i ignore the stuff for the wifi [which does not work in the file] i have auto lo, iface lo init loopback, auto eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp
[18:24] <jason__> yeah, the eth0 settings in there should allow you to get an IP address.
[18:24] <jason__> However, if theres already wired connections configured in WICD or NM, it may conflict.
[18:25] <jason__> For my linux server at work, I had trouble with the interface file working properly. Once I deleted the connections in NM I was good to go since there werent 2 things (interface file vs NM) arguing. It was JUST interface file.
[18:25] <Icari|mac> i cant get wicd to connect to the wired network if ip address has changed in anyway, and i dont have wicd configured that i know of for wired connection
[18:25] <jason__> Let me fire up my work laptop, which has WICD. This rig I'm on doesnt have WICD. one second.
[18:25] <Icari|mac> ok
[18:26] <Icari|mac> i have wicd and wifi-radar installed, i dont know of any other network manager installed
[18:26] <p1erre> Hi folks. Can anybody tell me how to create an ISO file from FOLDERS/FILE in a hard drive?
[18:26] <jason__> I think WICD auto removes NM.
[18:26] <iconmefisto> !iso
[18:26] <Icari|mac> i think i recall seeing that
[18:26] <BluesKaj> Icari|mac, in the terminal  . eth0=dhcp , then sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:27] <BluesKaj> yes  wicd install removes nm
[18:27] <jason__> Icari|mac: I just plugged in my ethernet cable to my work laptop and WICD came up as "wired network" by default
[18:28] <Icari|mac> "receive_packing failed tho0: Network is down"
[18:28] <jason__> did you remove those two lines from the interface fiole?
[18:28] <Icari|mac> i think so, let me double check
[18:28] <jason__> so you only have the auto lo and loopback?
[18:29] <iconmefisto> p1erre: you can use mkisofs in commandline, or k3b can create iso
[18:29] <jason__> whatever you change in the interface file doesnt get applied until you either reboot or run the command sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:29] <Icari|mac> now i am getting this error "ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 when restarting networking
[18:30] <jason__> what computer is this again?
[18:30] <Icari|mac> dell studio xps 8000 desktop
[18:31] <Icari|mac> intel i7 processor, and 1 gig nvidia card
[18:31] <Icari|mac> 8 gig ram, 1 TB hd
[18:31] <jason__> hmm
[18:31] <jason__> dell is normally really good with linux tooo....
[18:32] <Icari|mac> 64 bit os
[18:33] <Icari|mac> my laptop that died had 64 bit kubuntu on it intel wireless card and no issues with my network
[18:33] <Icari|mac> dell as well
[18:33] <jason__> now, lets rewind a second. What was the ORIGINAL problem that first rooted up everything else?
[18:34] <Icari|mac> i thought the wireless was not working, but it seems the cant find ip address issue is with the wired network as well, wired will only connect on boot
[18:34] <Icari|mac> broadcom card :(
[18:36] <jason__> hmm
[18:36] <jason__> lets put this into perspective
[18:36] <p1erre> iconmefist: thanks I figured it out in K3B...
[18:37] <jason__> if you shut off WICD... and have those eth0 dhcp settings in the interface file... do you still have problems?
[18:37] <p1erre> iconmefisto: thanks I figured it out in K3B...
[18:37] <Icari|mac> atm i took those 2 lines out of interfaces file, and i have no wired connection after reboot
[18:37] <jason__> because iwth NO network managers whatsoever running, and the interface file being the top dog ruling the network connections, if you still have problems then, I'm at a loss.
[18:37] <Icari|mac> the lines for eth0
[18:38] <jason__> right - but think back... when you had those lines for eth0 in the network interface file, was WICD running?
[18:38] <Icari|mac> yes
[18:38] <BluesKaj> Icari|mac, there are some helpful commands here altho it has to do with static IP http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[18:38] <Icari|mac> the network has worked without static ip on 4 differnet pc/macs
[18:39] <jason__> Icari|mac: If you add those eth0 lines back but ensure WICD is not running, then restart the network service.... I'm wondering what will happen then
[18:39] <Icari|mac> how do i stop wicd again?
[18:39] <jason__> right click its icon in the corner and hit quit
[18:39] <htrejh> hi
[18:40] <BluesKaj> Icari|mac, I'm not suggesting you use staic ip, but the network setup is very similar , just ignore the staic and sub dhcp in it's place
[18:40] <htrejh> how to force to install wine1.2 from the ubuntu repo
[18:40] <htrejh> tries: sudo apt-get install wine1.2/1.1.31
[18:40] <htrejh> but it failed, any idea?
[18:40] <jason__> why not just apt-get install wine>?
[18:40] <Icari|mac> ok i quit wicd
[18:40] <jason__> ok
[18:40] <jason__> add these two lines back to your interface file
[18:40] <BluesKaj> anyway gotta go .. stuff to do
[18:41] <jason__> auto eth0 - line one
[18:41] <jason__> iface eth0 inet dhcp - line two
[18:41] <jason__> so overall you have auto lo (line 1) something about loopback (line 2) line 3 is blank, line 4 is auto eth0, line 5 is iface eth0 inet dhcp
[18:41] <htrejh> jason__: cuz i also have a version from the ppa
[18:41] <Icari|mac> yes
[18:41] <jason__> save it, close out of it - then run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:41] <BluesKaj> that's the right setting
[18:42] <Icari|mac> "No DHCPOFFERS recieved" No working leases in persistent database - sleeping"
[18:42] <jason__> efffffff
[18:42] <jason__> why is this not working...
[18:42] <jason__> you did type eth0 and not etho right?
[18:43] <Icari|mac> yes
[18:43] <jason__> man... Im kind of at a loss.
[18:44] <jason__> has this system ever worked fine with kubuntu?
[18:44] <Icari|mac> it is a brand new system/install as of wednesday of this week
[18:44] <jason__> did it work fine after the initial install?
[18:44] <Icari|mac> my laptops graphics card took a nose dive
[18:44] <Icari|mac> not that i can recall
[18:44] <Icari|mac> same issues this whole time
[18:44] <jason__> what if you fire up the kubuntu livecd.
[18:45] <jason__> I wonder if it acts this way on the livecd.
[18:45] <jason__> whats the model of your computer?
[18:45] <Icari|mac> dell studio xps 8000
[18:45] <jason__> this is a dell laptop?
[18:45] <jason__> or dekstop?
[18:45] <Icari|mac> desktop
[18:45] <Icari|mac> with a wireless card in it
[18:46] <jason__> what few XPS's are on UbuntuHCL.org are listed as 5/5 compatible, but the 8000 isnt listed.
[18:47] <Icari|mac> the 8000 i think is somewhat new, but i am not sure
[18:47] <jason__> I dont know what else to do. Im kind of at a loss. I wonder if the livecd would act the same way. If you can boot to the livecd and get a network connection and maybe even wireless, then we at least know it works.
[18:47] <jason__> which at that point begs the obvious question - what happened to the install that we can reverse to get working again?
[18:47] <Icari|mac> i have no idea at all
[18:47] <jason__> do you have a kubuntu livecd?
[18:48] <Icari|mac> yes
[18:48] <jason__> why dont you fire that up in the desktop a while
[18:48] <jason__> dont install - just hit the live desktop
[18:48] <Icari|mac> ok
[18:48] <jason__> justplay around with it after it loads and see what its doing as far as network connectivity
[18:48] <jason__> are you going to be here for a little bit Icari|mac?
[18:49] <Icari|mac> i think so
[18:49] <jason__> okay, while thats loading, Im gonna run up the street and get chinese quick :P
[18:49] <Icari|mac> ok
[18:49] <Icari|mac> it will not take long to load :P
[18:49] <htrejh> does someone know how to force the installation of a package version with apt-get ?
[18:49] <jason__> I know - but Im hungryyy "{
[18:49] <jason__> :P
[18:49] <Icari|mac> htrejh: you still trying to install wine?
[18:50] <htrejh> Icari|mac: yes to force a specific version
[18:50] <Icari|mac> http://www.winehq.org/download/deb is what i used to install wine on my desktop, it works fine for me
[18:50] <jason__> if you add the PPA and then just do apt-get install wine, doenst it grab the PPA version first before it grabs the repo version?
[18:50] <Icari|mac> sudo apt-get install wine1.2
[18:51] <htrejh> lol no
[18:51] <Icari|mac> ppa is 1.2
[18:51] <Icari|mac> not just wine
[18:51] <htrejh> i need 1.1.31
[18:51] <Icari|mac> why?
[18:51] <htrejh> due to a regression
[18:51] <Icari|mac> latest version works fine for me
[18:51] <htrejh> not for me -_-
[18:51] <Icari|mac> http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.31
[18:52] <Icari|mac> download and install and put a hold on the ppa repo install
[18:52] <htrejh> it's : sudo apt-get install wine=1.1.31
[18:52] <htrejh> something like that
[18:53] <Icari|mac> it is possible the repo does not have the older versions in it still, the way i suggested should work fine
[18:53] <htrejh> yes ok, but now the ppa doesn't archive older versions :(
[18:54] <Icari|mac> you should also report the regression to wine so it can be fixed
[18:55] <htrejh> yep i'm regression testing :p
[18:56] <Icari|mac> 1.1.34 had a regression but it was fixed in 1.1.35
[19:02] <tzanger> good afternoon
[19:03] <tzanger> I'm running 9.10 and I cannot for the life of me get any printing (to a printer) to work. under the system settings, all my basic server settings are greyed out. I tried running it under sudo but it didn't help
[19:04] <BluesKaj> tzanger, what model printer?
[19:04] <tzanger> cups is installed
[19:04] <tzanger> BluesKaj: it's a remote printer (canon mp530, works great on a ubuntu 9.04 system)
[19:04] <jason__> Icari|mac: howd it work out?
[19:05] <Icari|mac> seemed to work fine :(
[19:05] <jason__> wifi too?
[19:05] <Icari|mac> could not test wifi though, but restarting the network it reconnected
[19:05] <Icari|mac> it would not install the driver
[19:05] <tzanger> BluesKaj: I'm not even getting that far though; it's like this 9.10 system simply has no ability to print
[19:06] <jason__> yeah, sometimes installing stuff on livecd works and other times it doesnt.
[19:06] <jason__> I can install gparted on a livecd (kubuntus livecd doesnt seem to have it) but drivers never flew for me.
[19:06] <BluesKaj> tzanger, perhaps someone else can help , I avoided the same issue with the hplip deb for HPs
[19:06] <jason__> is there stuff on the install that sworth saving?
[19:06] <jason__> or is it a brand new install with nothing on it?
[19:06] <Icari|mac> it has stuff on it
[19:06] <BluesKaj> gotta go for sure now
[19:07] <jason__> Im thinking since its hard to retrace the exact steps that happened when it backfired, going windows-style-troubleshooting on it may be the best and quickest bet - aka, reinstall. :(
[19:07] <jason__> maybe you could back the stuff up and do a fresh install and see where that takes you... just a suggestion though
[19:07] <tzanger> BluesKaj: got it; cups was not actually running
[19:08] <tzanger> it was installed but nto runnign
[19:08] <Icari|mac> i removed wifi-radar and now on reboot wired is not connected :(
[19:08] <jason__> Im not too familiar with wifi radar
[19:10] <Icari|mac> jason__: is it possible to do a reinstall and keep /home partition?
[19:11] <jason__> Icari|mac: did you separate root from home?
[19:11] <jason__> in the intiial install?
[19:11] <Icari|mac> yes
[19:11] <jason__> dang you're good. Yes you can keep home and only format root.
[19:11] <Icari|mac> how do i do that?
[19:11] <jason__> thats the smartest thing you can do on a linux install, is separating home from root.
[19:12] <Icari|mac> i was told to do that when i first started to use linux several years ago
[19:12] <jason__> When you put in the Kubuntu LiveCD, go through the prompts till you get to the partition editor. It's step 4 I believe.
[19:12] <jason__> Choose manual editing of partitions. It slisted as advanced mode or something like that.
[19:12] <jason__> You're going to have to set up root and home again. What file system are they? EXT4?
[19:13] <Icari|mac> whatever was default file system
[19:13] <jason__> are you on 9.10?
[19:13] <Icari|mac> yes
[19:13] <jason__> 9.10's default is EXT4.
[19:13] <Icari|mac> ok
[19:13] <jason__> When you get into the partition editor screen, youll see the partitions laid out.
[19:14] <jason__> They wont be labeled as root and home. Just EXT4 volume or something. But based on the size you can tell them apart, since your root partition is probably relatively small hwereas home is everything else.
[19:14] <jason__> Make sure you set up root to be formatted, EXT4 file system, and mounted as \
[19:14] <Icari|mac> yep
[19:14] <jason__> with home, make sure its EXT4 and mounted as /home
[19:14] <jason__> BUT make sure the format box IS NOT checked for home.
[19:14] <jason__> It has to be checked for root, but NOT checked for home. Make sure of that 4 5 6 times over again.
[19:14] <Icari|mac> ok i am checking that now
[19:15] <jason__> If you want to be EXTRA certain, you could always back your stuff up through the LiveCD to an external hard drive or something. Just a thought.
[19:15] <Icari|mac> i wish my external hd was 1 tb :P
[19:15] <jason__> are you using 1tb of space though?
[19:15] <Icari|mac> nope
[19:16] <Icari|mac> but the external is about half full of junk of 2 laptops
[19:16] <jason__> you only need the external to be as big as the data youre backing up.
[19:16] <Icari|mac> i know
[19:16] <Icari|mac> i still need to try to get access to stuff on my old laptop from cli
[19:16] <jason__> is your old laptop running linux?
[19:17] <Icari|mac> yep had 9.10 on it 64 bit
[19:17] <Icari|mac> with dead graphics card :(
[19:17] <jason__> so you get zero video output on it?
[19:17] <Icari|mac> no i can get it to boot to cli and that is all, no gui will load
[19:17] <Icari|mac> i also get a ton of graphical artifacts
[19:18] <jason__> ahh, yeah, you just need to navigate to your data and copy it over?
[19:18] <Icari|mac> yep but my VM install will not fit on 40 gig of space :( for some reason
[19:19] <Icari|mac> livecd install is NOT letting me check the format box for the / partition
[19:19] <Icari|mac> ah now i see, nvm
[19:20] <jason__> so just to recap a couple things just so we dont go down the wrong avenue here
[19:20] <jason__> You have your root and home partition split on different partitions, with a ton of data on the home partition itself. Correct?
[19:20] <jason__> I just hate to advise you to do something and then it backfires... since it's hard with me not physically seeing it.
[19:21] <Icari|mac> yes
[19:21] <Icari|mac> i set it to mount / as / and reformat and swap as swap and /home as /home and NOT touch it
[19:21] <jason__> and you set both root and home as EXT4, right?
[19:22] <Icari|mac> although i think 16 gig of swap is more then enough
[19:22] <Icari|mac> yes
[19:22] <jason__> and when you set up kubuntu 9.10 originally you had it at EXT4?
[19:22] <Icari|mac> yes
[19:22] <jason__> k, caue its just important we line the stars up properly here.
[19:22] <Icari|mac> i understand
[19:22] <jason__> and yes I would think 16gb of swap is overkill. :P I personally have 2gb swap on my system.
[19:23] <Icari|mac> i was told 2x the amount of ram for swap
[19:23] <Icari|mac> well i have a tb of space... 16gig is not that much
[19:23] <jason__> Yeah, thats typically how it goes - but with people having more nad more RAM these days its not as critical as it used to be.
[19:23] <jason__> It used to be  you had 256mb RAM, then double the swap made more sense.
[19:23] <Icari|mac> yea
[19:23] <Icari|mac> even with my 2 gig ram on my old laptop it needed the swap
[19:23] <jason__> but even still, like you said, you got a fricken TB :P
[19:24] <iconmefisto> it's important if you want to hibernate, etc
[19:24] <jason__> what about suspend?
[19:24] <Icari|mac> i dont do that with my systems
[19:24] <Icari|mac> nope
[19:24] <jason__> I never -ever- use hibernate. ever.
[19:24] <jason__> I  have had the worst luck with hibernate with all operating systems. Vista, 7, you name it. I just dont touch it now.
[19:24] <Icari|mac> i leave my systems up 24/7 if i can
[19:24] <jason__> I suspend my work laptop, but thats about it
[19:24] <Icari|mac> which i think is why my graphics card fried in my old laptop :P
[19:24] <jason__> my main desktop is on 247 since its a backup server as well
[19:25] <jason__> lol - could be :P
[19:25] <iconmefisto> I can never get suspend to work
[19:25] <jason__> I find it hard to believe your graphics card died when you still have CLi access though?
[19:25] <jason__> suspend alwyas works for me, since its just suspending to ram. its hibernate that is trickier.
[19:25] <Icari|mac> it is not 100% dead but no gui can load for kde
[19:25] <jason__> ohhhhhh I understand. It just cant take the power of a desktop environment.
[19:25] <Icari|mac> and i have the artifacts on the screen as a clear sign
[19:25] <Icari|mac> yep
[19:26] <jason__> okay anyway, where are we with the livecd?
[19:26] <Icari|mac> died while i was eatting dinner monday night
[19:26] <Icari|mac> 56% installing
[19:26] <jason__> dang, nice
[19:26] <jason__> you were using it at the time?
[19:26] <Icari|mac> nope it was idle while i was in the kitchen
[19:26] <jason__> came back and blam - it was a gonner?
[19:27] <Icari|mac> cpu was at 100% and screen frozen, reboot for hours and no gui would load
[19:27] <jason__> dangggg
[19:27] <jason__> tons of data on it?
[19:27] <Icari|mac> then i started to do a backup and ran out of space on the external hd
[19:27] <jason__> ahhh crap, gotta love that
[19:27] <jason__> do you have room to push the data to back up elsewhere?
[19:27] <Icari|mac> well i had a 360gig hd and about 250+ free
[19:28] <Icari|mac> now i do :P
[19:28] <jason__> are you just going to do a sudo cp /home /external?
[19:28] <Icari|mac> put it on the desktop with the TB
[19:28] <jason__> yeah - but with being CLI only I wonder how you could connect up to the desktop...
[19:28] <Icari|mac> i tried that when i ran out of space then i just took a few folders and files i needed/wanted
[19:28] <Icari|mac> no backup the external hd to the desktop
[19:29] <jason__> ahhhhhhhh - I gotcha.
[19:29] <jason__> free up the external for laptop CLI backups - I see I see
[19:29] <Icari|mac> yep
[19:29] <jason__> So does your entire family use linux?
[19:29] <Icari|mac> hehe i wish, my mom uses 7 atm, i need to fix her dual boot though 7 wiped grup
[19:30] <jason__> ah yeah - you can fix that through the livecd I think. I think the official ubuntu site has documentation on it.
[19:30] <iconmefisto> !grub
[19:30] <Icari|mac> yep
[19:30] <jason__> I just got my mom on kubuntu last night.
[19:30] <Icari|mac> i have read it, but till this week had no 9.10 live cd and 9.04 failed to find the boot partition
[19:31] <Icari|mac> 80% done
[19:31] <jason__> got my brothers new desktops for Xmas - dual booted XP and Kubuntu. Mom got curious enough to ask so I set it up. An hour later I was at the mall and she texted me how much she loves it.
[19:31] <Icari|mac> nice
[19:31] <jason__> I was sooooooo lucky though.
[19:31] <Icari|mac> yep
[19:31] <jason__> Before I did anything to her pc, I made an image of her system with clonezilla livecd before I touched it.
[19:31] <Icari|mac> i have never used any ghost programs
[19:31] <jason__> then I used gparted to resize her partition to free up space for kubuntu. Well, something backfired. When I rebooted, the partition table was corrupt.
[19:32] <Icari|mac> ouch
[19:32] <jason__> So I blasted her partition back, tried resizing again, and it worked fine.
[19:32] <jason__> I was so, so lucky.
[19:32] <jason__> I couldnt even access her data from the livecd. the table was zapped.
[19:32] <Icari|mac> i was luck gparted worked fine to make room for 7
[19:32] <Icari|mac> *lucky
[19:32] <jason__> well, I dont know what the difference was, but I first did it with gparted on a livecd with ubuntu. that's what failed.
[19:32] <jason__> the 2nd time I tried gparted itself on a stand-alone livecd (no ubuntu)
[19:32] <jason__> that worked fine then.
[19:33] <Icari|mac> ah i always use gparted not from the linux cd
[19:33] <jason__> but yeah, I use imaging applications a lot at work.
[19:33] <jason__> clonezilla livecd for isngle backups and FOG (linux based server imaging) for mass-cloning of computers.
[19:33] <Icari|mac> i am still in school... which is starting in a few days
[19:34] <jason__> you going to school for tech stuff?
[19:34] <Icari|mac> yep
[19:34] <jason__> if you ever get into tech support and need to image a truckload of windows machines - check out FOG.
[19:34] <Icari|mac> i would rather put linux on them :P
[19:34] <jason__> I can image 20 windows computers in a half hour's time right from my work laptop.
[19:34] <jason__> you can image with FOG with linux too :P
[19:34] <Icari|mac> hehe
[19:34] <jason__> but Im kind of stuck working in a windows environment. Its a school district, so windows is dirt cheap for us to license.
[19:34] <Icari|mac> i just hope when i graduate i can find a job in this economy
[19:35] <Icari|mac> ah
[19:35] <Icari|mac> about 3 minutes left to the install
[19:35] <jason__> well, if you can get in a school dsitrict, you might not get top dollar, but youll get awesome benefits and great job security.
[19:35] <Icari|mac> i have done work for my teachers before and known more then their tech geeks
[19:36] <jason__> In fact, it's probably thanks to FOG that I even got full time. I started as part time cau eI couldnt find anything else.
[19:36] <Icari|mac> i know more then my mom's tech geek at work :( and he keeps asking her to ask me, i will not do his work for free
[19:36] <jason__> But we got a shipment of 1,000 computers in to replace the years of neglected systems, and nobody had any idea how to clone them without ordering ghost.
[19:36] <Icari|mac> ouch
[19:36] <jason__> so I spoke up and said I had an idea
[19:37] <jason__> boss didnt want anything to do with it since it hadnt been officially tested before and we didnt have much time to flirt with.
[19:37] <jason__> I sad but its free, open source, and I already have it installed.
[19:37] <jason__> I just asked for a chance to test it live and he gave me the opportunity. Before I knew it, I had all 1000 cloned and an additional 800 of our existing systems re-done. All within about 10 weeks.
[19:38] <Icari|mac> nice
[19:38] <jason__> mind you, during those 10 weeks I had to physically unbox and hook up the 1000 systems too, which sucked.
[19:38] <Icari|mac> i bet
[19:38] <jason__> but anyway, school districts are great unless youre looking for top dollar. Something to keep in mind.
[19:39] <Icari|mac> well i am getting a 2 year degree, i dont expect top top dollar
[19:39] <jason__> yeah - I have a 2 year degree as well.
[19:39] <jason__> you might be surprised where it can take you though.
[19:39] <jason__> I've talked to tech business owners who will take somebody with a 2 year degree that has hands on experience before somebody with a 4/6 year degree.
[19:39] <Icari|mac> i will have that degree in may +2 certificates and 2 more in the summer [i think that is all of them]
[19:39] <jason__> yeah - certs weigh heavily too. Something I have nothing of... yet.
[19:40] <Icari|mac> install complete
[19:40] <jason__> good deal, reboot that hizzy and see what's happening
[19:40] <jason__> brb
[19:40] <Icari|mac> i need to get the cert but a certificate is a plus to get there
[19:42] <Icari|mac> it is booted up
[19:43] <jason__> hows it lookin?
[19:44] <Icari|mac> installing graphics card driver to start, then trying the broadcom driver
[19:44] <Icari|mac> [as a gamer i need that ;) ]
[19:44] <jason__> you game in *nix?
[19:44] <Icari|mac> well with wine, but yes
[19:44] <jason__> can you hit your home dir all right?
[19:45] <Icari|mac> well my desktop looks the same as it did before i rebooted
[19:45] <Icari|mac> yep i can access it fine
[19:45] <jason__> all the stuff there?
[19:45] <Icari|mac> yea
[19:46] <jason__> well you just had your crash course on why its so helpful to have your stuff partitioned separate. Reinstalling linux is a breeze with your stuff already separated.
[19:46] <Icari|mac> 33% done with graphics card driver then we can try wireless
[19:46] <Icari|mac> yep and with an intel i7 processor it goes super fast
[19:46] <jason__> yeah
[19:46] <jason__> I want an i7 :(
[19:46] <jason__> Im running on 4gb of DDR2800 ram with a quad core 8200 LGA775 socket
[19:46] <Icari|mac> how much do you think i paid for this system?
[19:47] <jason__> what did you get? tower only? or monitorkeyboard/etc with it too?
[19:47] <Icari|mac> keyboard mouse was included and i got a 23" widescreen monitor as well
[19:47] <jason__> 750?
[19:48] <Icari|mac> :O not that low :(
[19:48] <jason__> lol
[19:48] <Icari|mac> that would be a steal
[19:48] <jason__> what are the specs again?
[19:48] <jason__> what graphics card do you have, etc?
[19:48] <Icari|mac> 1 gig nvidia, 8 gig ram
[19:49] <jason__> holy...
[19:49] <jason__> whats the clock speed on the proc?
[19:50] <Icari|mac> 2800 i think, 2.8??
[19:50] <Icari|mac> service tag GQ40FK1
[19:50] <jason__> nice, nice
[19:50] <jason__> did you get the 1080p 23" ?
[19:51] <jason__> the S2309w or whatever?
[19:51] <Icari|mac> 1920xwhatever
[19:51] <jason__> yeah, I have that same monitor but in 24. I dual screen with a 19" and 24"
[19:52] <Icari|mac> nice
[19:52] <Icari|mac> .... froze while installing the broadcom drivers now will not boot to kde :(
[19:52] <Icari|mac> or is being REALLY slow
[19:52] <emma> unquery
[19:52] <jason__> did you have two broadcom drivers available?
[19:53] <jason__> STA and B43?
[19:53] <Icari|mac> just sta but no ui in sight
[19:53] <jason__> oh, wait...
[19:53] <jason__> shyt let me think
[19:53] <jason__> I ran into this with my owrk laptop
[19:54] <jason__> I had two broadcom drivers available. One of them wouldnt work righ tunless I upgraded kernels first.
[19:54] <Icari|mac> oh
[19:54] <jason__> I had to install all updates which brought down the new kernel, reboot, and then install the broadcom driver.
[19:54] <jason__> I thought that was only for my model laptop.
[19:54] <jason__> I completely forgot about it.
[19:54] <jason__> Is there anyway you can get back into KDE to get the updates and whatnot? Or did the driver lock you out?
[19:55] <Icari|mac> so go into recovery mode and sudo apt-get update etc?
[19:55] <jason__> you could try that. I forget how I got around it...
[19:56] <jason__> god I wish I would have remembered that beforehand.
[19:56] <Icari|mac> its ok
[19:56] <Icari|mac> 25+ minutes of upgrades
[19:56] <jason__> I think my driver install failed though. It froze every time I tried to install it and I would reboot, go back to Kubuntu, and it would just prompt me again to install.
[19:56] <jason__> I dont remember it locking me out. It was always just not completing.
[19:56] <Icari|mac> i hate my dsl :P it is so slow
[19:57] <Icari|mac> so back to how much you think i paid for this monster of a pc
[19:57] <jason__> well
[19:57] <jason__> a 23 inch monitor with it (and a damn good one since I have the 24 inch sister of it)
[19:57] <Swinger> hello
[19:57] <jason__> so its a full setup, not just the tower
[19:57] <Icari|mac> yes
[19:58] <Swinger> intersting
[19:58] <jason__> did you pay less than a grand?
[19:58] <jason__> whats up swinger
[19:58] <Icari|mac> about 1.1k or so give or take tax, from the dell outlet ;)
[19:58] <Swinger> i am know to kubuntu and IRC so please dont make me nervous
[19:58] <Swinger> new*
[19:58] <Icari|mac> we dont bite ... yet
[19:58] <jason__> lol, its all good swinger
[19:58] <jason__> whats up?
[19:59] <Swinger> an orange messeage is a private one?
[19:59] <jason__> Icari|mac: you cant go wrong with a full rig of that power for that. Compare that to the performance youd get with Mac - you woulda paid 2950 easy.
[19:59] <jason__> no, it just means I said your name
[19:59] <Icari|mac> yea that is one reason i went with a dell and not a mac, not to mention i wanted kubuntu
[19:59] <Swinger> oh
[19:59] <jason__> if I say hey - swinger - whats up man. It highlights your name as orange to get your attention because I sad your name.
[19:59] <jason__> but if I dont say your name, no highlights - see?
[19:59] <Icari|mac> *said
[19:59] <Swinger> nice
[20:00] <Swinger> jason_
[20:00] <jason__> need two of those :P
[20:00] <Icari|mac> has to be exact name
[20:00] <Swinger> jason__
[20:00] <jason__> try hitting windows key + tab
[20:00] <Swinger> jason__:
[20:00] <jason__> if you continue hitting windows key tab itll cycle through the names
[20:00] <jason__> bingo
[20:00] <Swinger> brico:
[20:00] <jason__> once you get quick with it you can just windows key tab - BLAM, etc.
[20:00] <Swinger> nice
[20:00] <Icari|mac> 171.32 for monitor 990.20 for cpu jason__
[20:00] <Icari|mac> free shipping
[20:00] <jason__> geez!
[20:00] <jason__> I paid 279.99 for my 24 inch monitor.
[20:01] <jason__> But I also bought it from stabples last christmas.
[20:01] <Icari|mac> dell outlet model ;)
[20:01] <jason__> it was 349.99, even on the dell site at the time. staples dropped it for christmas for 1 week and I snagged it.
[20:01] <iconmefisto> windows key? I just use tab
[20:01] <jason__> OH WOW
[20:01] <jason__> sorry caps
[20:01] <jason__> youre right - it is just tab - go me for sucking. :P
[20:01] <Icari|mac> hehe
[20:01] <iconmefisto> thought I was missing something with the winkey
[20:02] <Icari|mac> jason__: S2309W model
[20:02] <jason__> you werent missing anything - it was only me missing osmething, lol
[20:02] <jason__> Icari|mac: yeah, thats the same thing as mine.
[20:02] <Icari|mac> nice
[20:02] <jason__> I fricken love this monitor. My only regret is not buying 2.
[20:02] <jason__> in fact Im gaming on it now. In between typing to the chat Im playing GTA4 on it.
[20:02] <Icari|mac> i had a 17" widescreen laptop at 1920x1200 :(
[20:02] <jason__> you like laptops with big screens?
[20:02] <Icari|mac> yea
[20:03] <Icari|mac> before that laptop i had similiar size inspiron
[20:03] <jason__> I have an older ibook, 12 inch. love the size, hate the fact its a mac.
[20:03] <jason__> best buy has a deal right now, 330 bucks for a 12 inch laptops. Its basically a netbook though.
[20:03] <Icari|mac> i have a blackbook i am chatting to you on atm, 13" widescreen
[20:03] <Icari|mac> 5-6 hour battery life if i am careful
[20:03] <jason__> 1gb ram, intel atom 1.6ghz proc, 160gb hdd, A B G N wifi, 12 inch screen for 329. I want it so bad.
[20:04] <iconmefisto> you're talking US prices, I assume?
[20:04] <jason__> but I cant justify buying it when I have a latitude work laptop that has kubuntu on it that works great. Even tho its a work laptop, what I do on a laptop it handles fine.
[20:04] <jason__> yes, US prices
[20:04] <Icari|mac> yes
[20:04] <Icari|mac> my desktop + monitor NEW from dell would have been closer to 1.5k
[20:05] <jason__> yeah, you cant go wrong with the outlet. My buddy just got an inspiron tower from the outlet.
[20:05] <jason__> He got a dual core, 6gb of RAM, 640gb HDD, tower only with Vista + 7 upgrade for 400.
[20:05] <jason__> its a basic pentium dual core though, but even still...
[20:05] <jason__> with a windows key and all, tower only, aint too shabby
[20:05] <Icari|mac> my last laptop was from the outlet, i heard it was about 4k new i got it for about 1k, xps m1710 [i think it is]
[20:05] <jason__> man - any XPS laptop is gonna be expensive.
[20:06] <jason__> but 1k aint bad.
[20:06] <Icari|mac> yep
[20:06] <jason__> Im so cheap with computers. :(
[20:06] <Icari|mac> upgrade from an ati x300 i had before
[20:06] <jason__> Ive been saving up to get a laptop, and even though I have about 800 in cash sitting here ready for a laptop I have trouble justifying it.
[20:06] <jason__> I have an old crappy mac that works, a work laptop with kubuntu on it (my bread and butter), its just hard to get ANOTHER one when my work lpatop is quite fine for the basc stuff I do.
[20:06] <Icari|mac> after what happened to that one, i would think twice about getting another laptop for daily use
[20:07] <Swinger> i bought a really old computer so i won't waste my time on computer games, and have more time to sduty, needless to say windows ran like crap on it, so i put kubuntu, and its great, little buggy but still better then windows on an old AMD ATHLON 2100
[20:07] <Icari|mac> sometimes linux can run much better then windows on older machines
[20:08] <Swinger> i bought it for 40$
[20:08] <jason__> thats why I feel like a netbook would be ideal for me. Netbooks are cheap, basic, and fairly usable with basic daily tasks.
[20:08] <jason__> I always feel like you should use a basic laptop to fill in the portability gap, but put the rest of your oomph in getting a beefy desktop. beefy desktop + basic laptop is a combo I seem to favor.
[20:08] <Icari|mac> i have this macbook i cant justify getting another desktop/laptop/netbook
[20:09] <jason__> As a result, a 12" netbook would probably be right up my alley. That is assuming a 1.6ghz proc could push kubuntu - which I would think it would. Itd be the integrated graphics that would limit me from eye candy though :(
[20:09] <Icari|mac> i like the eye candy
[20:09] <jason__> me too :(
[20:09] <Icari|mac> without wobbly windows the screen just seems "stiff"
[20:09] <iconmefisto> lol
[20:10] <jason__> my work laptop has 4gb of RAM and a decent Core 2 Duo. It aint bad for a latitude.
[20:10] <Icari|mac> nope
[20:10] <Swinger> the visual effect are not that demanding
[20:10] <jmichaelx> jason__: i doubt that. i run KDE4.4 on a 5 year old, very cheap 1.5Ghz Celereon with 1GB RAM. full desktop effects, fine performance w/ onboard intel GPU
[20:10] <jason__> my boss upgraded my laptop when he saw what kind of imaging I was doing from it, since my laptop is essentially a mobile linux server.
[20:10] <Icari|mac> try running them on an ati mobility x300 with 64 mb ram :P
[20:10] <jason__> no kidding man?
[20:10] <jason__> I hate you guys, youre going to convince me to spend over 300 bucks on a netbook I dont need.
[20:10] <Icari|mac> hehe
[20:11] <jason__> speaking of which, Im on a Pentium 4 desktop now with 1gb of RAM, Kubuntu 9.10, full desktop effects, integrated intel graphics.
[20:11] <jason__> Guess I should have put 2 and 2 together. :P
[20:11] <Icari|mac> looks like 11 min left on the upgrade download, if i can really read that number from across the room
[20:11] <jmichaelx> jason__: i also have a mini 9, with a 10" screen w/ gnome/compiz... no problems
[20:11] <Swinger> i have a 6 years old geforce 5200, and the effects are working pretty nice, sometimes alittle laggy
[20:12] <jmichaelx> Swinger: is it PCI or AGP?
[20:12] <Swinger> AGP
[20:12] <jason__> well the 5200 wasnt the best nvidia chip ever...
[20:12] <jason__> not to stab at ya, but, ya know :P
[20:12] <Icari|mac> the nvidia card i had die i think was a GeForce go 7900
[20:13] <jason__> my brothers were running 5200s on their old rigs before I got them new ones for xmas
[20:13] <jmichaelx> i have a kid with a PCI geforce 5200, and all works fine, including compiz... but she is only using a 15" LCD with it
[20:13] <Swinger> i have a Geforce PCIX 5300 at my parents home
[20:14] <Swinger> it wont run kubuntu
[20:14] <jmichaelx> Swinger: it should, unless the CPU is really old
[20:14] <jmichaelx> my kid's is running on a P# 1Ghz... although she is using gnome & compiz
[20:14] <jmichaelx> P3*
[20:15] <Icari|mac> 7 min left on downloading
[20:16] <Icari|mac> darn i wish i had faster internet :(
[20:17] <jason__> lol
[20:17] <jason__> when you rebooted, were you able to get into kubuntu with no issues?
[20:17] <jason__> or did the broadcom driver lock you out?
[20:17] <Icari|mac> locked out
[20:17] <jason__> dang
[20:17] <jason__> what happened when you booted up?
[20:17] <Icari|mac> but the update is not done yet
[20:17] <jason__> did it just never display yet?
[20:17] <Icari|mac> black screen
[20:18] <jason__> yeah, Im just curious cauu eon my work laptop I could get back in just fine - it just never gave me the driver. It always failed to download/install.
[20:18] <Icari|mac> we will know more when this update is done
[20:18] <jason__> yeah. Its just frustrating that installing a driver would brick a system like that, ya know.
[20:19] <Icari|mac> for now i am going to blame wifi-radar for this all :P
[20:19] <jason__> lol - there ya go
[20:19] <jason__> Ive never even used wifi radar. what is it?
[20:20] <Icari|mac> similar to wicd but for wireless
[20:21] <jason__> ahh I see.
[20:21] <Icari|mac> i saw a post on one of the ubuntu forums that said to install that and then you could install the broadcom driver
[20:21] <Icari|mac> so i went and did that before i looked for the driver
[20:23] <Icari|mac> packages downloaded... installing now
[20:23] <jason__> k
[20:24] <jason__> it should prompt you with the reboot then... itll give you the options of the diff kernel... .16 is the one that worked for me. .14 didnt on my laptop with the broadcom.
[20:24] <Icari|mac> ok
[20:24] <jason__> this was a learning experience for me to consider that the updates might fix driver issues like this in the future.
[20:24] <Icari|mac> and idealy the broadcom should work "out of the box" with the driver installed?
[20:24] <jason__> didnt expect it to happen, but hey - it did :P
[20:24] <jason__> well, not necessarily
[20:24] <jason__> the broadcom driver youll always have to install
[20:24] <Icari|mac> well i hope i am that lucky
[20:24] <jason__> its not integrated in ubuntu itself.
[20:25] <jason__> broadcom didnt want to release drivers for linux whatsoever, but since dell uses a ton of broadcom, and dell sells pcs with ubuntu preinstalled, it was a ton of pressure on broadcom to stop being so nazi driven.
[20:25] <jason__> so broadcom released closed source drivers - which is the STA and B43 you see in hardware manager for drivers.
[20:25] <Icari|mac> B43 is not there on my system
[20:25] <jason__> they cant pre-package them, but they can prompt you to download/install them after the initial install - which is hwat happened with you.
[20:26] <jason__> Yeah, but B43 is another option that may apply to people with other broadcom cards.
[20:26] <Icari|mac> ok
[20:26] <jason__> There isnt a single driver that rules everything, thats why theres B43 and STA, they take on diff hardware.
[20:26] <Icari|mac> rebooting
[20:26] <jason__> If it worked "out of box" youd have the driver already integrated in the kernel and no need to download/install.
[20:26] <jason__> lets hope this works.......
[20:26] <Icari|mac> yea :(
[20:27] <Icari|mac> jason__: bad news reboot and no ui again :( any suggestions?
[20:27] <Icari|mac> i dont really want to reinstall again
[20:28] <jason__> shyt...
[20:28] <Icari|mac> no kde log in screen, just black screen
[20:28] <jason__> how can we remove a driver from cli...
[20:28] <ChichO> hola
[20:28] <ChichO> hello
[20:29] <jason__> what driver did you install again?
[20:29] <jason__> STA?
[20:29] <Icari|mac> yes
[20:29] <jason__> did you have the .16 kernel in the grub menu?
[20:29] <Icari|mac> yes
[20:30] <jason__> hows that make sense...
[20:30] <jason__> how did it work for me
[20:30] <jason__> but not you...
[20:30] <jason__> yeahmy laptop is on the STA driver...
[20:30] <troy43> Hi!, some expert in PPA?, I own a PPA to distribute my program, it has a jaunty published package, how can I updated it to karmic? Am I supposed to recompile it in a karmic pc and upload it again or can the ubuntu buildroots do this for me from the ppa webpage?
[20:31] <jason__> I assume if you boot into .14 kernel its the same deal there too?
[20:31] <Icari|mac> let me check
[20:31] <ChichO> help, please
[20:32] <jason__> there might be a solution... but it may be sorta tricky...
[20:32] <jason__> if you can boot into recovery console, and type "aptitude" itll load up a CLI based version of synaptic.
[20:32] <Icari|mac> ok
[20:32] <jason__> From there if you can navigate to the broadcom driver and remove it, you might get lucky
[20:33] <jason__> I just searched synaptic on my laptop and 4 things came up when I searched for broadcom. 3 are installed.
[20:33] <Icari|mac> where would it be in there?
[20:33] <jason__> let me try and figure it out
[20:33] <jason__> one sec
[20:34] <jason__> if only we could search in aptitude...
[20:34] <Icari|mac> there is a Search up top not sure how to access it
[20:35] <jason__> you can use your mouse for it it looks like
[20:35] <jason__> didnt expect that
[20:35] <Icari|mac> not in cli
[20:35] <jason__> it allows me to use my mouse in terminal, but yeah itd probably be different in cli
[20:35] <jason__> the hot key for search is /
[20:35] <jason__> it looks like
[20:36] <Icari|mac> ok
[20:36] <jason__> I cant find it in aptitude though when I search for it
[20:36] <Icari|mac> i dont see it here either
[20:36] <TITTI> !passgiochi
[20:37] <jason__> maybe you could just apt-get remove them
[20:37] <jason__> as I see it here in synaptic
[20:37] <jason__> the package names I have installed with the STA driver on my laptop are:
[20:37] <jason__> b43-fwcutter bcmwl-kernel-source bcmwl-modaliases
[20:37] <jason__> not sure what theyll do, so use at your own risk, but Im not sure what else would work
[20:38] <Icari|mac> "errors were encountered while processing bcmwl-kernel-source" while removing
[20:39] <Icari|mac> exec format error
[20:39] <jason__> what if you just remove the first one
[20:39] <jason__> wait
[20:39] <jason__> gosh Im confused
[20:39] <jason__> the b43 is to the b43 driver...
[20:39] <jason__> the other two look like theyre for the STA...
[20:40] <jason__> lemme as in ubuntu quick
[20:45] <Icari|mac> this would go faster to just reinsall again :(
[20:45] <Icari|mac> we dont have all day :P
[20:46] <Icari|mac> i need a ui and a reinstall seems easiest way to get it
[20:47] <jason__> Yeah. It may be. You can do that a while, Im still going to try and figure out how to uninstall it from command line, cause uh, thats good info to know :P
[20:47] <jason__> Im gonna use my laptop as a guinea pig and try it here
[20:47] <Icari|mac> ok
[20:47] <Icari|mac> dont break it :P
[20:48] <jason__> I have backup images of it :P
[20:48] <Icari|mac> hehe
[20:49] <jason__> did you have aptitude open when you tried to apt-get remove it?
[20:49] <Icari|mac> no
[20:49] <jason__> hm
[20:49] <jason__> its uninstaling for me
[20:49] <Icari|mac> one term window was open
[20:49] <Icari|mac> maybe it was an issue because it froze during install/download of the driver, i dont know
[20:51] <jason__> whats weird is I can still connect to my network with it uninstalled
[20:51] <jason__> lol??
[20:51] <Icari|mac> did you reboot?
[20:53] <jason__> rebooting now
[20:53] <Icari|mac> that should really remove it :P
[20:53] <jason__> yeah
[20:53] <jason__> no wifi networks found
[20:53] <Icari|mac> should i do a dist-upgrade before installing the broadcom drivers?
[20:53] <jason__> I would just make sure you get updates first
[20:53] <jason__> and youre in the .16 kernel
[20:54] <Icari|mac> ok
[20:54] <jason__> I dont know, I mean, its really hard for me to say
[20:54] <jason__> I just know what didnt work for me, whcih was the .14 kernel, but.16 worked with broadcom.
[20:54] <Icari|mac> ok
[20:55] <Icari|mac> 38% done copying
[20:55] <jason__> hardware manager still sees this driver as installed - but it wont connect. Maybe the other packages were just binary packages that it needs in order to run.
[20:55] <Icari|mac> strange
[20:55] <jason__> but the other 2 packages were uninstalled
[20:57] <Icari|mac> 54%
[20:57] <Icari|mac> well atleast the install does not take hours to do
[20:58] <iconmefisto> !apt
[20:58] <Icari|mac> is there a way to get adept back in 9.10?
[20:59] <jason__> adept?
[21:00] <jason__> cant you just apt-get install adept?
[21:00] <Icari|mac> i will check when i get the ui back up
[21:00] <iconmefisto> I think adept is kde3
[21:00] <iconmefisto> why not use kpackagekit?
[21:00] <Icari|mac> i like adept better
[21:01] <Icari|mac> 72% done
[21:02] <iconmefisto> well adept seems to still work
[21:02] <Icari|mac> nice the installer crashed :P
[21:02] <iconmefisto> I just installed it
[21:02] <jason__> youre kidding me
[21:02] <Icari|mac> starting over :(
[21:02] <Icari|mac> nope
[21:02] <jason__> whatd it do?
[21:03] <Swinger> i once wanted to uninstall kaffeine and some how  i uninstalled KDE
[21:03] <Icari|mac> screensaver came up, pressed enter to get ui back and it crashed
[21:03] <jason__> you pressed enter?
[21:03] <Icari|mac> yea
[21:03] <jason__> was the cancel button highlighted?
[21:03] <Icari|mac> no idea
[21:03] <jason__> it may have been...
[21:03] <iconmefisto> probably what happened
[21:03] <jason__> I always use the arrow keys to wake it up.
[21:03] <Icari|mac> but it said it crashed
[21:03] <jason__> enter and space can be bad news if something is highlighted.
[21:04] <iconmefisto> yeah I use ctrl key
[21:04] <Icari|mac> well installing it again :(
[21:06] <Icari|mac> well the nice thing is it picked back up where it left off
[21:09] <Swinger> i need to go to sleep
[21:09] <Swinger> but i dont wanan
[21:10] <Icari|mac> well we cant make you
[21:11] <Swinger> i need to get a job where i won't have to do anything and just chat with you guys
[21:11] <Icari|mac> hehe
[21:12] <jason__> lol
[21:12] <Swinger> like wally from dilbert
[21:12] <jason__> Im often in here when Im at work
[21:12] <iconmefisto> 7-11?
[21:12] <jason__> its nice just sitting doing database work and chatting with others. It keeps me sane.
[21:12] <jason__> Icari|mac: Im posting on ubuntuforums about the issues you and I both saw with the STA driver. Ill link you to it if you want to keep an eye on it.
[21:12] <Swinger> 7-11 have computers?
[21:13] <Icari|mac> sure jason__
[21:14] <Swinger> oh well
[21:14] <Swinger> good night
[21:14] <Icari|mac> rebooting
[21:16] <jason__> Icari|mac: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8604486#post8604486
[21:17] <CoreyB> jason__ any idea if esound is compatible with kubuntu 9.10?
[21:17] <Icari|mac> jason__: doing dist-upgrade
[21:19] <DexterF> hi
[21:19] <jason__> CoreyB: I can answer that by saying I have no idea what esound even is. :(
[21:19] <Icari|mac> openssh-server installed and running
[21:19] <DexterF> lil issue with 9.10/kde3 from Pearson, text input is really sluggish on konsole, anyone else having this?
[21:20] <iconmefisto> CoreyB: I think if you have pulseaudio installed then esd will work through pulse
[21:20] <CoreyB> i want pulse removed
[21:21] <jason__> is pulse giving you a hard time?
[21:21] <CoreyB> it always did
[21:22] <jason__> how so? Ive never ran into any issues with it. *shrug*
[21:22] <CoreyB> sometimes it crackles, but everything works fine on windows >:(
[21:22] <Lynoure> In my case it might be related to different audio devices suddenly becoming unavailable
[21:22] <jmichaelx> the folks who have never had an issue with pulseaudio are few and far between
[21:22] <jason__> *shrug*
[21:22] <Lynoure> as that has not happened since I ripped pulseaudio aut.
[21:22] <jason__> I never had any issues.
[21:22] <Lynoure> s/aut/out/
[21:23] <jason__> not saying pulse isnt problematic. I read about quite a few problems with it.
[21:23] <Lynoure> jason__: you still use it?
[21:23] <jason__> wlel, assuming it comes installed by default, yes.
[21:23] <jason__> Ive never changed anythign
[21:23] <jmichaelx> jason__: then you have not been using a very wide variety of hardware
[21:23] <Lynoure> jason__: it's not, if you have pure kubuntu
[21:23] <iconmefisto> not installed with kubuntu
[21:23] <jason__> its installed with ubuntu though, right?
[21:23] <iconmefisto> yes
[21:23] <jason__> and yes - I have installed ubuntu with a ton of different hardware
[21:23] <jason__> let me think...
[21:23] <Lynoure> jason__: with ubuntu-desktop, yes.
[21:24] <jmichaelx> pulseaudio is fince, IF you have just the right audio adapter, otherwise it is a nightmare
[21:24] <jason__> dx2200 HP desktop, 4 custom built rigs at home, 3 laptops, my moms computer (some kind of HP)
[21:24] <jason__> 4 systems at work on my back counter, one is an inspiron laptop, 3 desktops, dell optiplex 740, 330, 755
[21:24] <jmichaelx> fine*
[21:24] <jason__> *shrug* Ive used it quite a bit
[21:24] <iconmefisto> the only problem I've had is getting it to work properly with 2 audio cards
[21:24] <jason__> is pulse audio in other distros any better?
[21:24] <jmichaelx> jason__: then count your lack of issues with pule a major stroke of luck
[21:24] <jmichaelx> pulse*
[21:25] <Icari|mac> but did you actually have speakers hooked up to all those machines?
[21:25] <jason__> why doesnt kubuntu use pulse?
[21:25] <jason__> yeah - all of them
[21:25] <Icari|mac> wow you must have a lot of stuff just lying around
[21:25] <jason__> I have to have speakers on them caues I use skype on all of them as well as webinars and stuff
[21:25] <Lynoure> To my bad luck having a monitor attached to DisplayPort means 2nd audio device. Drat.
[21:25] <jason__> Icari|mac: most of that is from work.
[21:25] <Icari|mac> i figured
[21:25] <jason__> Icari|mac: with having 2500 systems in the district, I have to have quite a few extra systems in case a few go down.
[21:26] <Icari|mac> i bet
[21:26] <jason__> I alwyas screw around with linux on them during my downtime, and just re-image them to XP if I need them deployed elsewhere.
[21:26] <Icari|mac> 17 min left on dist-upgrade
[21:26] <jason__> newb question - what does dist upgrade evend o
[21:26] <Icari|mac> includes kernel upgrade in upgrade
[21:27] <Icari|mac> otherwise you dont get the kernel
[21:27] <CoreyB> hmm
[21:27] <jason__> it comes down through the update manager, though
[21:27] <Icari|mac> well i am using apt atm
[21:27] <Icari|mac> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:28] <GloomyJD> anybody got the SD reader to work on a Toshiba NB100?
[21:28] <iconmefisto> jason__: when an upgrade involves replacing installed packages with different ones, you need to dist-upgrade to get them
[21:29] <jason__> iconmefisto: so the kernel upgrade doesnt come down with the update manager?
[21:29] <jason__> because I have never ran dist-upgrade, yet, I've always gotten kernel upgrades
[21:29] <Icari|mac> if you use ui it will by default
[21:29] <jason__> k, that makes sense then
[21:29] <jason__> so why doesnt kubuntu use p ulse? I thought *buntu was on the same core but different DE...
[21:30] <Icari|mac> the following would be missing in sudo apt-get upgrade  libdns53 linux-headers-2.6.31-16 linux-headers-2.6.31-16-generic
[21:30] <iconmefisto> if you do a apt-get upgrade, you may see a message about packages being "held back" in which case you need to do a dist-upgrade to get the held back packages
[21:30] <Icari|mac> right
[21:31] <iconmefisto> jason__: one reason why pulse is not installed by default is there are no kde tools to manage it, and the gtk/gnome ones look very ugly
[21:31] <iconmefisto> that's my guess anyway
[21:32] <jason__> I assume xubuntu is pulse, though, with it being GTK oriented?
[21:33] <iconmefisto> not sure, but that would be my guess
[21:33] <webbb82> is it possible to lock just a single widget to the desktop such as a  clock so when the mouse goes over it the tab doesnt open
[21:34] <iconmefisto> I've read about the possibility of using OSS4 audio in upcoming *buntu's so maybe there's an argument raging about this somewhere
[21:34] <jmichaelx> webbb82: just click on the weird-looking do-dad in the upper right-hand corner, and then click 'lock widgets'
[21:35] <webbb82> i  dont want to lock everything i want to find out a way to lock a single plasmoid
[21:35] <jmichaelx> ahh
[21:35] <jason__> Icari|mac: whats the update?
[21:35] <Icari|mac> which one?
[21:35] <webbb82> i dont see how that would be very   hard
[21:36] <jason__> Icari|mac: on your install/update
[21:36] <Icari|mac> 8 min
[21:36] <jason__> Icari|mac: btw someone responded to that thread. said to use the purge command.
[21:36] <Icari|mac> tried it, did not work
[21:37] <Icari|mac> "exec format error"
[21:37] <jason__> you tried the exact command he said to use?
[21:37] <Icari|mac> i have not checked that thread, but i tried a purge
[21:37] <jason__> apt-get purge bcmwl-kernal-source
[21:37] <jason__> is what he sad to use
[21:38] <iconmefisto> maybe try commandline instead of Hardware Drivers to get the wireless driver
[21:38] <Icari|mac> the command i had tried was apt-get purge remove bcmwl-kernal-source i think
[21:38] <jason__> iconmefisto: cari mac installed the broadcom driver on her system and it bricked it. no login screen. just black screen.
[21:38] <jason__> we were trying to figure out how to get the driver out and reboot, hoping it would work again without the broadcom.
[21:38] <jason__> but couldnt figure it out from recovery console
[21:39] <Icari|mac> 5 min
[21:39] <jason__> I ran into a similar problem, where my broadcom driver wouldnt install righ tunless I had the .16 kernel. the default .14 didnt work for me.
[21:39] <webbb82> the clock widget
[21:40] <iconmefisto> well the command is jockey-text, if you want to try it. jockey-text --help shows options
[21:40] <lordganesh> whenever i login my i see my widgets are disapeared in some desktops. desktop numbers are also changed sometime. what is it
[21:40] <Icari|mac> that is good to know thank you iconmefisto
[21:41] <Icari|mac> that will save me from walking across the room to install my graphics card drivers atm :P then reboot
[21:42] <jason__> iconmefisto: so wait, if I run jockey-text it will essentially be the CLI version of the hardware manager??
[21:42] <Icari|mac> hardware manager = jockey
[21:42] <iconmefisto> jason__: that's right. the gui version is jockey-kde
[21:44] <Icari|mac> installing packages
[21:45] <jason__> iconmefisto: I just tested this on my laptop... I ran -l to list the drivers and it came back with kmod:wl - broadcom sta blah blah. If I want to disable it, do I run -d kmod:wl?
[21:46] <iconmefisto> jason__: I think so. I've never disabled a driver though, just installed/enabled
[21:47] <iconmefisto> I think I remember jussi01 saying in here that there is a bug in the gui jockey. maybe he's awake and can confirm
[21:49] <lordganesh> whenever i login my i see my widgets are disapeared in some desktops. desktop numbers are also changed sometime. what is it
[21:49] <uno> someone know how to programing in D?
[21:49] <uno> someone know how to programing in D?
[21:49] <iconmefisto> lordganesh: I had that problem in 9.04 but in 9.10 it's fine
[21:50] <lordganesh> iconmefisto: i have it in 9.10 also
[21:50] <uno> help me please, how can i compile wxd for GDC in ubuntu 9.10?
[21:52] <uno> help me please,someone knows  how can i compile wxd for GDC in ubuntu 9.10?
[21:52] <jason__> iconmefisto: I just tested -d kmod:wl and sure enough it disabled the driver.
[21:52] <lordganesh> iconmefisto: just try to do this thing .first set multiple desktop to 6 .and then again to 4.u will experience same problem.
[21:54] <uno> help me please,someone knows  how can i compile wxd for GDC in ubuntu 9.10?
[21:54] <Icari|mac> jason__: rebooting
[21:54] <uno> help me please,someone knows  how can i compile wxd for GDC in ubuntu 9.10?
[21:55] <uno> help me please,someone knows  how can i compile wxd for GDC in ubuntu 9.10?
[21:56] <iconmefisto> lordganesh: changed to 6, then back to 4, and all the desktops except desktop1 went back to desktop mode instead of folder view mode
[21:57] <iconmefisto> lordganesh: but when I switch back to folder view mode, icons and widgets appear as they were before
[21:57] <iconmefisto> lordganesh: are you using folder view?
[21:57] <jason__> enabling the driver in jockey-text just crashed my laptop
[21:57] <jason__> come on, kubuntu...
[21:57] <jason__> kernel panic
[21:57] <jason__> you gotta be kidding me
[21:57] <Icari|mac> jason__: i think the reboot to blank screen before was a xorg issue not broadcom drivers, i got it again but reconfigured xorg and it is working fine, now to install the bcom drivers
[21:57] <lordganesh> iconmefisto: yes
[21:58] <Icari|mac> well the drivers for the card are next to be installed
[21:58] <jason__> Icari|mac: good luck - I just got a kernel panic on my laptop by disabling/re-enabling the broadcom driver in jockey-text.
[21:59] <jason__> Its amazing how robust linux can be, but yet its amazing how fragile it can be too.
[21:59] <Icari|mac> ouch
[21:59] <Icari|mac> i dont think i have seen a kernel panic yet
[21:59] <jason__> oh, great. it just shut off when booting into recovery mode.
[21:59] <Icari|mac> [ever]
[21:59] <Icari|mac> wow
[21:59] <jason__> I just might have to fire up suse or something on this thing
[21:59] <Icari|mac> ouch
[21:59] <jason__> yeah it locked up again
[22:00] <jason__> someone, quick, stab me in the face
[22:00] <Icari|mac> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[22:01] <Icari|mac> trying to install the wl drivers
[22:01] <Icari|mac> got a bad feeling about this
[22:02] <jason__> kernel .14 is booting for me
[22:02] <Icari|mac> strange
[22:02] <jason__> removing all wifi drivers
[22:03] <jason__> I like how I remove the driver, then go back to hardware manager, and it says its still installed and active.
[22:05] <Icari|mac> does jockey-kde have any config files that can be removed?
[22:05] <jason__> wait I think its working again
[22:06] <Icari|mac> jockey is not installing the drivers for me :(
[22:06] <webbb82> anyone know if its posssible to loCK  just one widget like the digital clock
[22:06] <Icari|mac> and is crashing now
[22:06] <Icari|mac> on exit
[22:07] <jason__> *sigh*
[22:07] <jason__> linux is so close to being perfect, yet so far away
[22:08] <Kage> jason__: then stop whining and help make it perfect
[22:08] <Kage> jason__: Linux didn't write it self
[22:08] <jason__> because Im a programmer
[22:08] <webbb82> is compiz for kde better than kwinn as far as quality and options
[22:09] <jason__> jockey fails to re-activate my STA driver now...
[22:09] <Icari|mac> 2010-01-03 17:09:32,440 WARNING: modinfo for module wl failed:
[22:09] <Icari|mac> 2010-01-03 17:09:32,440 WARNING: /sys/module/wl/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind wl driver
[22:09] <Icari|mac> 2010-01-03 17:09:32,470 DEBUG: BroadcomWLHandler enabled(): kmod disabled, bcm43xx: blacklisted, b43: enabled, b43legacy: enabled
[22:09] <iconmefisto> webbb82: there are more effects in compiz, but using kwin means the effects are integrated and performance is better
[22:10] <webbb82> ok
[22:10] <Icari|mac> jason__: any ideas on those errors above?
[22:11] <jason__> I have the EXACT same problem now.
[22:11] <Icari|mac> oh :(
[22:12] <jason__> its things like this that make me nervous about deploying a linux lab at work
[22:12] <Icari|mac> :(
[22:12] <Icari|mac> we do have a dual boot lab at school, we have a red hat class
[22:12] <iconmefisto> try sudo apt-get install bcmwl*    to install the wl (STA) drivers
[22:13] <Icari|mac> i will let jason__ try it first :P
[22:13] <jason__> trying it now
[22:13] <Icari|mac> ok
[22:13] <jason__> and red hat Iw ould place bets on being more stable than kubuntu
[22:13] <jason__> they have fedora as their guinea pig, and red hat as old man river
[22:13] <Icari|mac> but for students just learning linux....
[22:14] <jason__> whats wrong with red hat?
[22:14] <Icari|mac> well i dont like rpm based distros
[22:14] <jason__> nor do I
[22:14] <Icari|mac> and that class was not that useful most students were just lost
[22:14] <jason__> yet it seems RPM distros are the ones that take KDE to the next level
[22:15] <jason__> fedora's KDE and suse's KDE was very nice, tons of additional admin tools
[22:15] <jason__> but RPM. :(
[22:15] <jason__> I ran that command. says already installed.
[22:15] <Icari|mac> trying to teach a class of windoze users how to use linux and not get far out of command line is missing a lot of stuff
[22:15] <jason__> removing now
[22:16] <jason__> yeah, either way when you get into linux to teach it, *buntu, suse, or red hat is the best one to use, mostly because of the support the 3 distros have from red hat, canonical, and novell
[22:16] <jason__> those 3 are more commercial based.
[22:17] <jason__> k, removed driver via terminal based on the command iconmefisto said except remove instead of install.
[22:17] <jason__> hardware manager picked it up. downloaded and installed. rebooting now.
[22:17] <Icari|mac> ok
[22:17] <iconmefisto> I've got a feeling jason__ will be able to boot in other kernels now
[22:17] <jason__> before I removed it, hardware manager was acting weird. it wouldnt activate it when I selected activate. it was like it was a dead button.
[22:18] <jason__> iconmefisto - I was able to boot back in the .16 kernel.
[22:18] <jason__> what did I do...
[22:18] <jason__> I did something to allow me to boot into it.
[22:18] <jason__> Im so click happy when troubleshooting Iforget what I did...
[22:18] <Icari|mac> yea same issue with the hardware manager here
[22:18] <iconmefisto> jason__: that's exactly the problem I was having with hardware drivers gui, which led me to using the CLI version
[22:18] <jason__> loggig in
[22:19] <jason__> hardware manager syas the STA driver is currently installed and active
[22:19] <jason__> connecting to wifi network....
[22:19] <jason__> validating...
[22:19] <jason__> blam
[22:20] <jason__> someone get iconmefisto a big fat cigar
[22:20] <jason__> NOW - to duplicate the headache I just went through.
[22:20] <iconmefisto> Icari|mac: you've installed new kernels, right?
[22:21] <Icari|mac> es
[22:21] <Icari|mac> *yes
[22:21] <jason__> disabling wifi driver via jockey-text -d
[22:21] <iconmefisto> have you booted into them?
[22:21] <Icari|mac> ok just a sec
[22:21] <jason__> enabling via jockey-text, waiting for kernel panic
[22:22] <jason__> wow - no kernel panic
[22:22] <iconmefisto> I like your attitude jason__
[22:22] <jason__> its re-enabled successfully
[22:22] <jason__> iconmefisto: lol, sarcasm?
[22:22] <iconmefisto> no, genuine admiration. most people try to aviod problems rather than repeat and understand them
[22:23] <Icari|mac> hold on
[22:23] <jason__> disabling again. Im getting this hizzy to give me the finger.
[22:23] <soee> hi
[22:23] <jason__> laptop froze. this may have done it.
[22:23] <jason__> yep - laptop locked up hardcore.
[22:24] <jason__> rebooting to .16
[22:24] <jason__> no kernel panic though... boots into kubuntu just fine.
[22:24] <Icari|mac> i dont have apt running i dont have kpackagekit running yet apt cant place lock
[22:24] <Icari|mac> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:24] <Icari|mac> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[22:25] <iconmefisto> !aptfix
[22:25] <jason__> iconmefisto: what do you know about jockey-text vs the gui? Does one control the other, or do they work hand in hand? Im curious if theyre like the network interface file versus network manager, where the interface file is kind of top dog.
[22:25] <iconmefisto> try that Icari|mac ^^
[22:25] <Icari|mac> that worked
[22:26] <Icari|mac> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed pre-removal script: Exec format error
[22:26] <Icari|mac> dpkg: error processing bcmwl-kernel-source (--remove):
[22:26] <Icari|mac>  subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
[22:26] <Icari|mac> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script: Exec format error
[22:26] <FloodBotK3> Icari|mac: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:26] <iconmefisto> jason__: I'm not sure, maybe the GUI is a frontend for jockey-text, or maybe just alternate interfaces for the same processes
[22:28] <jason__> iconmefisto: yeah it appear like if you disable it in CLI, you must reenable it in CLI. Once I disable in jockey-text and try to enable in the GUI, its like the activate button is dead.
[22:28] <iconmefisto> jason__: when running hardware drivers, there is a process "jockey-backend" running
[22:28] <jason__> iconmefisto: I cant duplicate the problem I had though.
[22:28] <Icari|mac> jason__: any ideas about the above?
[22:28] <jason__> I just did the same steps I did before about 5 times. Each time it just reactivates and connects to my wifi.
[22:28] <jason__> what was the command you were running when you got those errors
[22:29] <Icari|mac> sudo apt-get remove bcmwl*
[22:29] <jason__> fresh boot?
[22:29] <Icari|mac> i have installed some packages but not rebooted in the last 10+ minutes or so
[22:30] <jason__> I only ask that becaues I was working on a fresh boot when I ran the remove command
[22:30] <Icari|mac> strange
[22:31] <jason__> thats the only thing I can think of thats diff from yours and mine
[22:31] <Icari|mac> jason__: oh i think i _might_ know why there was a problem with xorg config not updating... i think the graphics card i have is a tad too new for the distro, the hardware info applet thingy does not even tell me the type of card it is
[22:32] <jason__> yeah, that might be enough to do it
[22:33] <Icari|mac> i will try a reboot after this package finishing instaling
[22:33] <iconmefisto> Icari|mac: look at this, particularly the last post: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/374136
[22:34] <Icari|mac> i will try that if a reboot does not fix it
[22:35] <jason__> iconmefisto: any idea why in hardware manager I cant remove the driver anymore? I was clicking around testing again and I realized I cant remove it
[22:36] <iconmefisto> jason__: I don't know
[22:36] <jason__> well at least the gizmo is working. :P
[22:37] <Icari|mac> check the jockey logs
[22:37] <jason__> mine?
[22:37] <Icari|mac> yes
[22:40] <jason__> it doesnt say anything that jumps out at me, just the fact that kmod is eanbled and theb43 is all blacklisted.
[22:41] <Icari|mac> it is not installing even after a reboot
[22:43] <Icari|mac> jason__: http://pastebin.ca/1736746
[22:44] <jason__> yay kernel panic
[22:44] <jason__> reading it now
[22:44] <jason__> kmod is disabled, I thinmk thats the STA
[22:45] <Icari|mac> no idea what that means
[22:45] <jason__> it syas kmod is disabled in the last line
[22:45] <jason__> I think kmod is the ID to the Broadcom STA driver.
[22:45] <jason__> the rest are B43
[22:47] <Icari|mac> so that means?
[22:47] <jason__> go to terminal
[22:47] <jason__> jockey-text -l
[22:47] <jason__> what comes back
[22:47] <Icari|mac> kmod:wl - Broadcom STA wireless driver (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use)
[22:48] <Icari|mac> the other 2 are nvidia related
[22:48] <jason__> go to hardware manager - can you enable the STA driver?
[22:48] <Icari|mac> no
[22:48] <iconmefisto> line 21: Use the dkms remove function before trying to build again. anyone used dkms remove before?
[22:48] <jason__> want to try the command I tried?
[22:48] <Icari|mac> i got that when trying with command line version
[22:48] <Icari|mac> cant do worse then how it is atm
[22:48] <jason__> haha, k
[22:49] <jason__> jockey-text -e kmod:wl
[22:49] <jason__> -e enables it, kmod:wl is the ID for the STA driver.
[22:49] <Icari|mac> Sorry, installation of this driver failed.
[22:49] <Icari|mac>  
[22:49] <Icari|mac> Please have a look at the log file for details: /var/log/jockey.log
[22:49] <iconmefisto> it seems that the install didn't complete and not all files are in place
[22:49] <jason__> sudo apt-get install bcmwl*             did you run that?
[22:50] <Icari|mac> let me do that now
[22:50] <iconmefisto> or try sudo apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl*
[22:51] <Icari|mac> wireless tab is now active in knetworkmanager ;)
[22:51] <jason__> so youre online now?
[22:51] <jason__> wirelessly?
[22:52] <Icari|mac> not yet it is still activating
[22:53] <Icari|mac> and pops up the "secrets for new wireless connection" window even when pasword was correct
[22:53] <jason__> I got that a lot too with network manager... one of the reasons I went with WICD.
[22:54] <Icari|mac> well the wired network is working on reconnect which is progress from before
[22:55] <Planetary> hi everybody
[22:55] <Izinucs> howdy
[22:56] <redIago> hey
[22:56] <Planetary> i have 9.10 and I cant get compiz to load at start up. I searched forums with no success
[22:56] <Izinucs> What's the status with kubuntu and the ubuntu one service.. is kubuntu setup to autosync with ubuntu one like ubuntu is?
[22:56] <Izinucs> Planetary: what kind of video card do you have?
[22:56] <danielq> hello,I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.32.2 and i wanted to install linux-header but i couldn't find the linux-header-2.6.32.2
[22:56] <Icari|mac> jason__: any other ideas?
[22:57] <Planetary> nvidia 7600 gt superclock with 185 driver
[22:57] <jason__> Icari|mac: have you ever had this system working with knetwork manager?
[22:57] <Izinucs> Planetary: the driver supplied by (k)ubuntu or the one direct from nvidia?
[22:57] <jason__> Icari|mac: reason I ask is I often had the secrets thing come up before on my work laptop, so I switched to wicd and havent had that issue yet.
[22:57] <Icari|mac> not really, i was suggested to use wicd not long after the issues started
[22:57] <jason__> yeah, wicd is nice, but I hate to suggest using it when were so close to having network manager playing nice.
[22:58] <Planetary> whatever that the hardware driver installs, is that jocky? Kubuntu I guess
[22:58] <Icari|mac> yes
[22:58] <Izinucs> Planetary: and did you reboot afterwards?
[22:58] <jason__> Icari|mac: how close are you to the router - good signal?
[22:58] <redIago> btw whats the best flash plugin for 64bit kubuntu
[22:59] <Icari|mac> should be 5 bars i am 1 wall and a desk door from it
[22:59] <Planetary> Izinucs, I am pretty sure I did
[22:59] <Izinucs> redIago: the one from adobe
[22:59] <redIago> is it finished?
[22:59] <Izinucs> Planetary: and why do you think compiz isn't loaded?
[22:59] <iconmefisto> danielq: where did you get that kernel? I can't find it in repos
[22:59] <redIago> the website seems to want to give me the 32 bit one
[23:00] <iconmefisto> !flash
[23:00] <redIago> thank you robobuntu
[23:00] <Planetary> Izinucs, it starts up with kwin. I have to load compiz via fusion icon or compiz --replace
[23:01] <danielq> iconmefisto: i got it from www.kernel.org
[23:01] <Izinucs> Planetary: go to "K" > Computer > Settings > Desktop and you'll see a check box to "Enable Desktop Effects".. that is essentially compiz
[23:01] <jason__> Icari|mac: hmm, Im not too sure... let me think a second...
[23:01] <jason__> Icari|mac: what if you delete the wireless network, re-scan, and add it again?
[23:01] <Icari|mac> ok
[23:01] <Icari|mac> i did that to start
[23:01] <jason__> man :(
[23:02] <jason__> but wired works okay?
[23:02] <Icari|mac> yes
[23:02] <jason__> *shrug* if you dare... wicd is an option...
[23:02] <Icari|mac> one headache fixed
[23:02] <Planetary> Izinucs, that looks like kwin effects
[23:02] <jason__> Icari|mac: ps Adept is -really- nice
[23:03] <Icari|mac> yep ;)
[23:03] <jason__> why is it not default??
[23:03] <Icari|mac> i read something about the fact that adept was going to be removed from 9.10
[23:03] <Icari|mac> not sure where it was
[23:03] <jason__> wonder why
[23:03] <Izinucs> Planetary: from my experience with that on you can still get the rotating cube etc... and to me that means compiz is working..
[23:04] <jason__> the only problem I have with kpackagekit is it shows EVERYTHING. If I want to install pidgin I get 50 instance sof it. I need to read each desription to figure out what I truly need.
[23:05] <Icari|mac> i also foud in kpackagekit when i searched for "wine1.2" it showed me a ton of packages but i did not see "wine1.2"
[23:05] <iconmefisto> Icari|mac: adept is still available and working. I installed it before to test it
[23:05] <Icari|mac> *found
[23:05] <Icari|mac> cool
[23:06] <Icari|mac> when this download finishing i will install adept and wicd and hope that it does not mess up my connection
[23:07] <jason__> I hope so too
[23:07] <jason__> Im just at a loss for what else it could be
[23:07] <Planetary> Izinucs, huh I dont feel that it is compiz or atleast doesnt look like it. there is no emerald or other settings. maybe Ill turn on compiz and see what happens
[23:07] <jason__> I just know I saw that 3 or 4 times in the 2 weeks I used NM and I ended up dropping in WICD and ever since it was fine for me.
[23:07] <Icari|mac> the network did work fine with knetworkmanager on my laptop but different network card
[23:07] <jason__> yeah
[23:08] <jason__> I found a web site with a TON of people complaining to developers about why WICD wasnt default
[23:08] <Icari|mac> makes me miss my intel wifi card
[23:08] <Izinucs> Planetary: emerald is an add on.. and typically requires the command to start it like you mentioned before..
[23:08] <jason__> nobody gave an official answer, but some people said they expect WICD to be picked up sometime
[23:09] <Icari|mac> darn again i wish i had faster internet :P connection, but hey i do have one some people cant even afford internet
[23:11] <jason__> very true
[23:13] <sourcemaker> are there advanced kmymoney users?
[23:13] <Izinucs> sourcemaker: you question implies there is another part to it.. the real question.. ask the real one and maybe someone will know.
[23:16] <Icari|mac> installing wicd and adept atm
[23:16] <jason__> k
[23:17] <Planetary> ya no go on compiz loading at start up. kwin effects does
[23:18] <Icari|mac> jason__: .... it is working now :O
[23:18] <jason__> with WICD?
[23:18] <Icari|mac> http://www.glassgiant.com/chocolate_bar/chocolate_bar.php?t=1262559935&l1=THANK+YOU+JASON__&
[23:18] <Icari|mac> yep
[23:18] <jason__> so youre wireless?
[23:18] <jason__> with no issues?
[23:18] <Icari|mac> seems so
[23:19] <jason__> nice, nice
[23:19] <jason__> does wired work too with wicd?
[23:19] <Icari|mac> i dont care if it does or not :P
[23:19] <jason__> lol, worth while to check tho :P
[23:19] <jason__> ironically I just got myl aptop working.
[23:19] <iconmefisto> so what changed? was it just installing wicd?
[23:19] <Icari|mac> wifi should work for me about 98% of the time
[23:19] <Icari|mac> yep
[23:19] <jason__> iconmefisto: ever use wicd?
[23:20] <iconmefisto> no, never. until about 3 weeks ago I'd never used wireless at all
[23:20] <jason__> yeah I dont know what my issue was. disabling the driver and re-enabling it in jockey-text did osmething, that was the first kernel panic. Went to .14 kernel, removed driver, rebooted, .16 was fine then. Reinstalled under .16, no issues. Ever since I just been playing with hardware manager vs jockey-text.
[23:21] <jason__> iconmefisto: its a solid linux wifi manager. I hear a lot of users complain that it should be default instead of network manager.
[23:21] <jason__> iconmefisto: its geared towards debian users, but the source is out there for rpm users too.
[23:22] <dirghrabadia> wat is wicd?
[23:23] <jason__> WICD is a linux wireless manager.
[23:23] <dirghrabadia> sorry i am new to this!
[23:23] <jason__> A replacement for "Network Manager" which has its flaws with wifi networking.
[23:23] <dirghrabadia> trying to learn
[23:23] <dirghrabadia> ohk
[23:26] <Icari> thank you again jason__ seems like the wireless is working fine
[23:26] <sourcemaker> how can I define the last due date for scheduled transactions in kmymoney?
[23:26] <jason__> Icari: no problem at all. Im just relieved we could get it working.
[23:26] <Icari> me too
[23:27] <jason__> Icari: I guess more or less, moral of the story is, get updates, then drivers, and WICD is a nice wifi alternative to NM. :P
[23:27] <Icari> :P
[23:27] <Icari> jason__: any idea why knetworkmanager is still showing in taskbar?
[23:27] <jason__> Icari: did you reboot?
[23:27] <Icari> and wicd is not
[23:27] <Icari> no
[23:27] <jason__> reboot
[23:27] <jason__> it acted funny for me till I rebooted too
[23:27] <Icari> i dont like to reboot :P
[23:28] <jason__> nor do I. its not the linux way of doing things. :P
[23:28] <jason__> but to complete its install, it also removed network manager
[23:28] <jason__> and since NM starts on system boot, its already running and wont shut off till it reboots.
[23:28] <jason__> know what I mean?
[23:28] <Icari> yea
[23:28] <Icari> now to go put away this 20ft cat 5 cable
[23:28] <jason__> rebooting finalizes NM's removal/WICD's take-over as wifi top dog on the system.
[23:31] <redIago> hey guys by default konquer is bringing up the mobile facebook version. should i be worried?
[23:34] <redIago> anyone?
[23:35] <redIago> did quassel screw up?
[23:37] <redIago> okey dokey then try again later lol
[23:39] <Icari|away> jason__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1318167 i knew it had to work.... just how was the question
[23:42] <jason__> Icari: good stuff :)
[23:43] <jason__> glad its working
[23:43] <Icari> me too, still need that reboot, but i dont want to break what is working ;)
[23:43] <jason__> its easy for me to get ahead of myself and get frustrated iwth linux problems, becaus eI often think about windows and how I dont have issues like this
[23:43] <jason__> however in windows, I have much more complicated issues
[23:43] <jason__> for example, editing the registry to remove 5 pages of registry keys to remove a stubborn application
[23:43] <Icari> sudo rm -rf Windows
[23:43] <jason__> talk about rather-shoot-myself-in-the-face
[23:44] <jason__> still not sure on why I got that kernel panic. I couldnt replicate it again.
[23:44] <Icari> strange
[23:44] <jason__> but fortunately the .14 kernel was there for me to boot into and remove what I did in .16 to get .16 working again.
[23:45] <jason__> reinstall, try again, and blam - worked. :)
[23:47] <Icari> sorry my net went down i did not get a reply to that question
[23:47] <jason__> to what question
[23:47] <Icari> oh it did not even go though :P
[23:48] <Icari> is it safe to kill knetworkmanager now?
[23:48] <jason__> I wouldnt kill it - I would just reboot
[23:48] <jason__> thats what I did when I intalled wicd
[23:48] <jason__> thats just me though :P
[23:49] <Icari> that does not answer my question :P
[23:49] <jason__> not sure how else I can answer it. You just installed WICD, whcih removes NM. But I didnt get it acting right till I rebooted.
[23:49] <Icari> it is working well right now so far
[23:50] <Icari> other then not being in sys tray
[23:50] <jason__> yeah - thats what changed for me
[23:50] <jason__> cause I was trying to open up the sys tray icon so I could see the access points in the area
[23:50] <jason__> but that didnt pop up till I rebooted
[23:51] <Icari> alt+f2 wicd and it came up
[23:51] <jason__> good deal
[23:51] <Icari> that is how i got on the network
[23:51] <jason__> hey, question
[23:51] <jason__> when I go to hardware drivers (the manager GUI) is it normal for me to hit "remove" and it not do anything?
[23:51] <jason__> Im trying to figure out if its normal or not
[23:52] <Icari> if there is an error in the jockey log yes :(
[23:52] <jason__> Im just trying to figure out why mine isnt doing anything
[23:53] <jason__> not that I want it to - I need the driver - but even still Im kinda wtf over it
[23:53] <Icari> did you check the log?
[23:53] <jason__> looking through it now
[23:53] <Icari> ok
[23:54] <iconmefisto> jason__: hardware drivers used to work for me in 9.04, I could enable/disable video drivers
[23:54] <jason__> iconmefisto: yeah, me too. Im just wondering why I cant remove this wifi driver.
[23:54] <jason__> I mean, I need it - but Im curious why it doesnt work, yaknow
[23:56] <jason__> just removed the driver via apt-get remov bcmwl*. Went into hardware manager. It was grayed out, but when I tried to activate, nothing happened. Rebooting....
[23:57] <Icari> rebooting never helped me