[00:17] <bdrung_> james_w: you wanted to sponsor bug #330573 three month ago. do you forgot this bug? can i unsubscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[02:12] <Quintasan> bug #500218    anyone can reproduce this?
[02:20] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, I did see a conversation in the upstream kernel about glibc creating invalid pointers at the first available slot in the memory (0x0000000000e44b10) which is basically 0001 and its deleting the memory which causes it to crash, possible to run it from gdb
[02:31] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: well, thanks, I think my is exacly the same because the only thing that differs in mine case is the memory address
[02:32] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, can you do me a favour: give the same command but this time through gdb, I can read the stacktrace and see what happened :D
[02:33] <Quintasan> hmm trough gdb?
[02:33] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: how do I do that?
[02:33] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, yup, I know running qemu would take a lot but just try it out
[02:33] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, just a sec. I'll give you the command :)
[02:36] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: just wondering, is there a package with debugging symbols for kvm?
[02:37] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, most likely there should be one, let me check but it might not work here, because we are dealing with memory addresses and memory being deleted before it can be called
[02:39] <Quintasan> well okay, I was playing with dbg and I tried to run kvm from it but it said "no debugging symbols found"
[02:39] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, sorry no debugging symbols for kvm in synaptic
[02:40] <Quintasan> dhillon-v10: okay, so how I'm supposed to provide you useful stacktrace? :)
[02:40] <dhillon-v10> Quintasan, just a sec. I spilled coffee so I am getting yelled at :)
[02:41]  * Quintasan pats dhillon-v10
[04:49] <ScottK> crimsun: Your last vtk upload was a good start, but looks like it needs more.  You didn't by chance already start looking into it?
[05:12] <crimsun> ScottK: bah, already? What're the rdeps dying on now?
[05:12] <crimsun> (and why wasn't it fixed in Debian already?...)
[05:13] <ScottK> Well I think we'd be better off if we'd stayed with Squeeze
[05:14] <ScottK> crimsun: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533193 breaks gdcm
[05:16] <ScottK> crimsun: Also libopenmpi-dev and libgl2ps-dev needed for gdcm, slicer, and fslview
[05:18] <ScottK> OK, that's necessary but not sufficient for slicer, /home/slicer-3.4.0~svn10438/Modules/EMSegment/Algorithm/vtkFileOps.cxx:197: error: invalid conversion from 'const char*' to 'char*'
[05:18] <crimsun> standard crap C++ code
[05:19] <crimsun> ok, I'll look at it in a few minutes. Have to make supper.
[05:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:25] <ScottK> gdcm made it as far as Linking CXX shared library ../../bin/libvtkgdcmJava.so, /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvtkCommonJava with libvtk-java_5.2.1-11 from Debian.
[05:26] <crimsun> good thing I still have it in ccache from yesterday
[05:26] <ScottK> So I suspect just reverting the 11 -> 12 Java changes will fix that.
[08:44] <randomaction> ScottK, fabrice_sp: thanks :)
[08:54] <alkisg> I'm trying to have the following dependencies, but it's not really working with apt-get, can anyone see why?
[08:54] <alkisg> Package "A" conflicts with "C". Package "B" depends on "C | D".
[08:54] <alkisg> I want this: when users install "B", they also get "C", unless they have "A" installed, in which case they get "D" instead.
[10:46] <alkisg> !info libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[10:46] <alkisg> !info libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
[10:47] <alkisg> Since Ubuntu uses pulse by default, shouldn't that be the opposite? libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio in main and libsdl1.2debian-alsa in universe?
[12:01] <verb3k> Please someone upgrade libfribidi to the 0.19, it's very very old in the repositories. See here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fribidi/+bug/191241
[12:02] <verb3k> the version in the repo is 0.10 which is very old
[12:03] <verb3k> practically broken with mplayer and vlc
[12:53] <ari-tczew> hello, I have trouble with pbuilder
[12:54] <ari-tczew> I got in pbuilder build *.dsc: E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed.
[12:54] <ari-tczew> but if I'll send package on ppa, then build fine; what's wrong?
[12:55] <geser> have you universe/multiverse enabled in your pbuilder?
[12:58] <ari-tczew> I don't know ...
[12:59] <geser> login into your pbuilder and check which components are enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:01] <ari-tczew> huh, only main
[13:02] <ari-tczew> deb http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic main
[13:02] <ari-tczew> how can I change this?
[13:02] <ari-tczew> -bash: nano: command not found
[13:02] <geser> !pbuilder
[13:03] <geser> there is also a section about enabling universe
[13:03] <ari-tczew> geser, this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Universe%20support
[13:05] <geser> yes
[13:09] <ari-tczew> updating in progress...
[13:26] <ari-tczew> it's working! thanks geer
[13:26] <ari-tczew> geser *
[13:27] <verb3k> Please someone upgrade libfribidi to the 0.19, it's very very old in the repositories. See here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fribidi/+bug/191241
[13:27] <verb3k> the version in the repo is 0.10 which is very old
[13:27] <verb3k> practically broken with mplayer and vlc
[13:31] <persia> verb3k: Firstly, asking on IRC doesn't improve over a bug report.  Secondly, fribidi is in main, so -devel is a more correct forum than this.
[14:22] <ScottK> randomaction: If I sponsored anything else of yours, let me know.
[14:34] <randomaction> ScottK: bug 430182 and bug 456231
[14:34] <ScottK> randomaction: Thanks.
[14:35] <bdrung> ari-tczew: you destroyed my plan to clean the universe sponsor queue. ;) do you plan to become MOTU?
[14:35] <ScottK> bdrung: Did you get my ping about the new lintian version?
[14:35] <bdrung> ScottK: yes
[14:36] <ScottK> OK.  Good.
[14:36]  * bdrung forgot to post the debdiff
[14:38] <bdrung> ScottK: bug report updated.
[14:38] <ScottK> You have my opinion on it.  We'll see what others think.
[14:40] <bdrung> ScottK: yes. let's gather more opinions. i will bow to the majority.
[14:47] <ari-tczew> bdrung: yes, I plan to join MOTU
[14:48] <ari-tczew> bdrung, I'll please you about opinion about my work - this is for MOTUApplication
[14:48] <bdrung> ari-tczew: where is your Contributor application or do you want to become directly MOTU?
[14:50] <ScottK> randomaction: Would you please link me to your application.  I've lost it.
[14:50] <ari-tczew> bdrung: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArturRona/MOTUApplication I'll update it later because I don't start in MOTU Meeting this week
[14:51] <ari-tczew> btw. Friday, 8th January 2010, 07:00 UTC this is 07:00 AM or PM?
[14:51] <bdrung> ari-tczew: am
[14:52] <bdrung> ari-tczew: the UTC time is in 24 h
[14:52] <ari-tczew> OK, so I can't join IRC this time, therefore I don't starting this week
[14:53] <ari-tczew> poor date
[14:53] <bdrung> ari-tczew: it's for people with strange time zones ;)
[14:53] <randomaction> ScottK: sure, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IlyaBarygin/MOTUApplication
[14:55] <ari-tczew> when will next MOTU Council Meeting?
[14:57] <randomaction> I believe 28th Jan at 17 UTC
[14:58] <bdrung> ari-tczew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting
[14:59] <ari-tczew> OK
[15:00] <ScottK> randomaction: Nevermind.  I found it.
[15:00] <ari-tczew> randomaction and porthose: good luck 8th
[15:01] <bdrung> porthose: is my comment long enough?
[15:01] <ari-tczew> I hope that we will not fighting in MOTU, just cooperate!
[15:02] <bdrung> ari-tczew: why fighting?
[15:02] <randomaction> who
[15:02] <randomaction> who's fighting? :)
[15:03] <randomaction> thanks ari-tczew
[15:03] <ScottK> Mostly things are pretty good here.  Every now and then stuff happens.
[15:04] <ari-tczew> I don't say that someone fighting, but... just wanna good start in MOTU :-)
[15:05] <ari-tczew> bdrung, if you are not adding comments on wiki.ubuntu, maybe you'll add comment on my MOTUApp?
[15:07] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i had no problems when i became motu (and before).
[15:07] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: do you take the syncs?
[15:07] <bdrung> ari-tczew: which comments on wiki.ubuntu?
[15:07] <ScottK> randomaction: Updated.
[15:09] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, which one?
[15:09] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: there is one left
[15:10] <Quintasan> \o
[15:10] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: i am taking bug 502579 now.
[15:11] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, ok :-)
[15:11] <ari-tczew> bdrug, please left comment on my MOTUApp https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArturRona/MOTUApplication as sponsor
[15:11] <ari-tczew> hello quintasan :)
[15:12] <bdrung> ari-tczew: can you fill out your application first?
[15:12] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: well, hello there :D
[15:12] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: hmm, so I see what you did there, good luck then
[15:12] <bdrung> ari-tczew: why is in the diff for xsmbrowser version 3.4.0-16.1 in debian/changelog?
[15:14] <bdrung> ari-tczew: you should remove "Encoding=UTF-8" from the desktop file
[15:14] <ari-tczew> I don't understand why about version?
[15:14] <ari-tczew> Quintasan, thanks
[15:14] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: i am taking 502589, too.
[15:15] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, ok. Taking 502504
[15:15] <bdrung> ari-tczew: the diff between Debian and Ubuntu should only contain changelog entries from Ubuntu and none from Debian.
[15:16] <ari-tczew> this is created by grab-merge
[15:16] <fabrice_sp> ari-tczew, you should review the merge before submitting it, and not rely on tools
[15:16] <ari-tczew> I did review
[15:17] <ari-tczew> and I first one hear about none changes from Debian in debian/changelog
[15:18] <bdrung> ari-tczew: and it fails to apply.
[15:18] <fabrice_sp> in a debdiff between debian and Ubuntu, you shouldn't see any Debian entry
[15:18] <fabrice_sp> only ubuntu one (even if I haven't looked at this debdiff in particular)
[15:20] <bdrung> ari-tczew: it's not the first time grab-merge failed.
[15:21] <ari-tczew> bdrung, second debdiff attached, refresh page
[15:21]  * fabrice_sp always do the merge by hand :-D
[15:22]  * bdrung does a merge by hand or with git / bzr
[15:23] <ari-tczew> I'll do merges with bzr, but not this time
[15:24] <bdrung> ari-tczew: debian/changelog is not correct. now there are changelog entries missing
[15:24] <ari-tczew> omg...
[15:25] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i recommend to read the diff file before posting.
[15:25] <ari-tczew> bdrung, could you did correct diff for debian/changelog and paste anywhere? I'll update debian/changelog with your example
[15:25] <bdrung> after a while you can read diffs faster than books ;)
[15:27] <bdrung> ari-tczew: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37381368/lineak-kdeplugins_0.9-6ubuntu1.debdiff and http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37382254/lintian_2.3.1ubuntu1.diff are good examples
[15:27] <ari-tczew> because I got first trouble with debian/changelog, previously any sponsor won't reject my debdiffs because debian/changelog is wrong
[15:27] <ari-tczew> ehh
[15:27] <ari-tczew>  lintian (2.3.1) unstable; urgency=low
[15:27] <ari-tczew> what is it? any changes from Debian?
[15:28] <bdrung> ari-tczew: no, that are the sourrounding three lines for diff (look at the lines starting with + or -)
[15:29] <ScottK> Merge-o-matic is dead, so you shouldn't be using grab-merge anymore in any case.
[15:31] <fabrice_sp> ScottK, some time to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/fceux ?
[15:31] <ari-tczew> ah, now I see what's wrong with xsmbrowser debdiff
[15:32] <fabrice_sp> or any motu /motu applicants :-)
[15:33] <ari-tczew> I propose to add section 'SRU SPONSORS' or something at http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/index.html
[15:34] <bdrung> yes, sru is missing there. contact dholbach for that.
[15:35] <ari-tczew> generally I guess that SRU and Security updates are neglected
[15:35] <ari-tczew> next main
[15:35] <ari-tczew> universe has a lot of active sponsors
[15:36] <fabrice_sp> :-D
[15:36] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i uploaded lineak-kdeplugins
[15:36] <ari-tczew> thanks
[15:37]  * fabrice_sp is working in a VM, so builds is slower :-)
[15:37] <bdrung> ari-tczew: SRU may be neglected, but Security?
[15:37] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: didn't you use pbuilder?
[15:38] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: i have a small check-sync script and a local mirror from lucid.
[15:38] <bdrung> ari-tczew: do you have an updated debdiff for xsmbrowser?
[15:39] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, I'm not on my normal computer (Linux based): I'm working on my normal work computer, based on Windows. I usually use sbuild (pbuilder is slower! :-) )
[15:41] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: what's Windows? ;)
[15:41] <fabrice_sp> lol
[15:42] <fabrice_sp> The app we are developing is not working in Wine (and to be honest, nobody is willing to do it), so no luck for the moment to switch to Linux workstations
[15:42] <ari-tczew> bdrung, wait for debdiff please
[15:42] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i will
[15:43] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, willing to have a look at fceux, now that there isn't anything to sponsor? :-D
[15:44] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: i downloaded windows 7 last year (in October), but i had no time to install it
[15:44] <fabrice_sp> by policy, we are still using Windows XP at work :-/
[15:44] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: pbuilder finished building fceux
[15:44] <fabrice_sp> cool :-D
[15:45]  * Yagisan feels sorry for those poor souls tortured with a toy OS at work
[15:45] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: you have to repack it: fceux source: source-contains-prebuilt-binary fceu/src/~attic/sexyal/convertgen
[15:46] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, I already deleted a lot of binaries. certainly forgot this one
[15:47] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: you should install the upstream changelogs
[15:47] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: third fix old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file
[15:48] <fabrice_sp> changelog: will do, right. About address: I'll check if I uploaded the right version, because lintian wasn't complaining anymore
[15:48] <porthose> bdrung, that's fine, ty I appreciate it :)
[15:49]  * porthose has already switched to using bzr to do his work ;)
[15:49] <bdrung> porthose: you are welcome. btw, i am the man of the few words. ;)
[15:50] <ari-tczew> bdrung, now I find what's the problem with debian/changelog: I did debdiff command on a wrong file :P now it's correct, fixed debdiff uploaded
[15:50] <porthose> I hear yea, me to :)
[15:50] <bdrung> ari-tczew: :)
[15:50] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: there is desktop-entry-contains-encoding-key /usr/share/applications/gfceux.desktop:2 Encoding too
[15:52] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: why do you want to upload fceux to Ubuntu and not to Debian?
[15:53] <fabrice_sp> TBH, I find it a lot more difficult to upload to Debian
[15:53] <fabrice_sp> and I was hosting it in my ppa since almost one year
[15:53] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: it's not that hard. you only have to make it lintian clean - and then find a sponsor. finding a sponsor can be sometimes be tricky
[15:54]  * Yagisan wonders why "I use Ubuntu" isn't simply a good enough answer
[15:54] <ari-tczew> ~ubuntu-archive subscribed bugs over than 200!
[15:54] <fabrice_sp> yeah: finding a sponsor is the part where I got stuck several time
[15:55] <bdrung> ari-tczew: now your patch applies. ;)
[15:55] <ari-tczew> ;-D
[15:55] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: you can go to #debian-mentors and ask there (and upload it to mentors.d.n)
[15:56] <ari-tczew> how many opinions I need to get on my MOTUAppl?
[15:56] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, I know. I will try again, when fceux got a 'cleaner' opinion :-)
[15:57] <randomaction> ari-tczew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU#Joining%20MOTU
[15:57] <bdrung> ari-tczew: there is not a minimum defined. having three would be good.
[15:57] <bdrung> ari-tczew: quote: "A typical application will have three to five endorsements. "
[15:58] <geser> ari-tczew: the more endorsements you get the better as it shows a good cooperation with other devs
[15:59] <ari-tczew> ok so I'll ask for opinion bdrung, fabrice_sp and dholbach
[15:59] <ari-tczew> but later, in the half January
[15:59] <bdrung> ari-tczew: xsmbrowser.desktop has some encoding problems. have a look at GenericName[fr] and Comment[fr]
[16:01] <ari-tczew> hmmm I think that these lines [5,7] can be deleted
[16:01] <bdrung> ari-tczew: sorry, but i am in pedantic mode today
[16:01] <bdrung> ari-tczew: it's the translation
[16:02] <micahg> ari-tczew: PM?
[16:02] <ari-tczew> so what's next?
[16:03] <ari-tczew> micahg, let's go
[16:03] <bdrung> ari-tczew: find someone, who can speak french and let him correct it [remove it otherwise]
[16:04] <fabrice_sp> french, you said?
[16:04]  * fabrice_sp is your man
[16:04] <fabrice_sp> what do you want to translate?
[16:06] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp, look at debdiff in bug 502579
[16:07] <fabrice_sp> ari-tczew, should be "Navigateur de réseau samba"
[16:07] <fabrice_sp> the é has been converted, it seems
[16:11] <bdrung> ari-tczew: this should be fixed, too: http://paste2.org/p/591829
[16:13] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: there is one more lintian warning: W: gfceux: manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry usr/share/man/man1/gfceux.1.gz
[16:14] <fabrice_sp> strange: this one has been fixed by a patch... Maybe I lost something when I converted it to 3.0 (quilt) format
[16:16] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: it's not 3.0 (quilt)!
[16:17] <fabrice_sp> arghhh
[16:17] <fabrice_sp> so I didn't uploaded the right package
[16:17] <bdrung> seems so
[16:17]  * fabrice_sp hides
[16:18] <bdrung> :D
[16:18] <bdrung> ari-tczew: let me know, when you have a updated debdiff for xsmbrowser
[16:18] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, thanks for your comments anyway: I missed some things ;-)
[16:19] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: np
[16:19]  * ari-tczew pausing work for launch
[16:20] <fabrice_sp> lunch, you mean? :-D
[16:20] <ari-tczew> fish is today :D
[16:20] <bdrung> ari-tczew: launch :D are you a rocket?
[16:20] <fabrice_sp> lol
[16:20] <ari-tczew> yee lunch buehehe
[16:22] <ari-tczew> sorry man, but english isn't my 1st language
[16:26] <bdrung> ari-tczew: english is my third language (1st Swabian, 2nd German) ;)
[16:26] <ari-tczew> regards
[16:27] <ari-tczew> my: 1st polish, 2nd english, 3rd german, 4th russian
[16:28] <bdrung> 4th latin ;)
[16:30] <ari-tczew> I prefer to speak one universal language like English, besides my country language
[16:31] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i prefer to make German the universal language ;)
[16:31] <fabrice_sp> not that bad! :-) Here French, Spanish, English and some German :-)
[16:31] <fabrice_sp> no luck bdrung !
[16:31] <fabrice_sp> Spanish is better ;-)
[16:31] <ari-tczew> German is nice language, easier to learn than russian
[16:31] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: don't destroy my dreams ;)
[16:32] <fabrice_sp> lol
[16:42] <bdrung> ari-tczew: instead of "Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-term-linux2.png" you should use "Icon=gnome-term-linux2"
[16:50] <bdrung> fabrice_sp: do you have time to do more sponsoring?
[16:50] <ari-tczew> bdrung, "Type=Application" it's right?
[16:51] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, yes: I'm fixing fceux right now (the good source is on my other computer, 1200 km away from where I am now :-) )
[16:51] <bdrung> ari-tczew: check http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html
[16:51] <bdrung> Type=Application is valid.
[16:53] <bdrung> ari-tczew: it's categories. refer to http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html
[16:59] <ari-tczew> lol, OK ;-D I'm making new debdiff
[17:02] <ari-tczew> update-maintainer is nice script
[17:02] <ari-tczew> dch -i too
[17:07] <ari-tczew> bdrung, bug 502579 go ahead
[17:21] <bdrung> ari-tczew: lintian still complains about menu-item-creates-new-section. please list your changes in debian/changelog
[17:40] <jreinhardt> Is REVU still the way to go to get a package into universe? It looks so quiet over there.
[17:42] <bdrung> jreinhardt: REVU or through Debian
[17:42] <fabrice_sp> jreinhardt, yes
[17:42] <fabrice_sp> (too late! :-) )
[17:43] <ari-tczew> bdrung, the only change which I done is add .desktop file; what I need to add in debian/changelog?
[17:46] <ari-tczew> bdrung, can't you upload like is right now?
[17:47] <bdrung> ari-tczew: the modification done in the .desktop file.
[17:47] <jreinhardt> I uploaded a new upstream version of a package I made to REVU http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pgfplots. I already went through a review cycle, but then I could persuade nobody to review it again and lost the patience. Perhaps someone is interested in revu-ing it :)
[17:48] <bdrung> jreinhardt: for new upstream releases you can open a bug report and link it to revu, and subscribe the sponsor team
[17:49] <bdrung> ari-tczew: please fix the category in the desktop file. http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry
[17:50] <jreinhardt> I already have a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/310015, how do I subscribe someone?
[17:52] <bdrung> jreinhardt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[17:52] <siretart> ... so many spurious hilights here...
[17:52] <bdrung> siretart: ?
[17:52] <siretart> my first name is 'reinhard'
[17:53] <siretart> jreinhardt: isn't pgfplots included in texlive 2009?
[17:53] <bdrung> ah
[17:53] <siretart> (I honestly have no idea)
[17:53] <kees> siretart: need to trigger on \breinhard\b :)
[17:54] <siretart> kees: does irssi support that?
[17:55] <kees> siretart: well, it's not pcre, so I do [^a-zA-Z] instead of \b.  /hilight -regexp
[17:55] <kees> siretart: I also use the trigger.pl script
[17:55] <siretart> jreinhardt: if pgfplots is included in TL2009, I'd refrain from packaging it seperately, but work on getting TL2009 included instead
[17:55] <siretart> kees: ah, thanks.
[17:56] <siretart> well, I wanted to get rid of irssi anyways in favor of rcirc, but useful to know anyways...
[18:00] <doctormo> I'm trying to upload a release to launchpad using the lp-project-upload script, but it's expecting to find an asc file, I have no way of generating such a file, gnupg is rather cryptic.
[18:00] <azeem> doctormo: sounds like a question for #launchpad
[18:01] <jpds> doctormo: gpg --clearsign <filename>, will make filename.asc.
[18:02] <doctormo> thanks jpds, it's amazing that the script doesn't do it
[18:03] <jpds> It does.
[18:04] <jpds> doctormo: Strange: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/annotate/head%3A/lp-project-upload#L88
[18:05] <jpds> doctormo: Hmm, probably used the wrong command to sign it then...
[18:05] <doctormo> huh, the error I'm getting now is in #launchpad
[18:06] <jpds> doctormo: Try with: gpg --armor --sign --detach-sig tarball.tar.gz.
[18:07] <fabrice_sp> in a format 3.0 (quilt) source format, the patches still goes into debian/patches?
[18:11] <ari-tczew> bdrung, I've changed Categories=Settings; to Categories=System; is it correct now?
[18:12] <doctormo> jpds: worked, thanks
[18:12] <cyphermox> fabrice_sp, afaik, yes :)
[18:13] <fabrice_sp> yeah: it seems that QUILT_PATCHES does not point to the right place in my case :-/
[18:14] <cyphermox> it seemed to make sense to me to always have it as debian/patches, nevermind what others may say/think
[18:16] <fabrice_sp> I have it set to debian/patches in my main workstation (not the one I ma using right now :-/ )
[18:23] <bdrung> ari-tczew: sorry, you can change the category back. the lintian warning is about the debian/xsmbrowser.menu file. because we do not change it in ubuntu, we should not change it for a lintian warning
[18:24] <ari-tczew> bdrung, so upload current attached debdiff
[18:30] <ari-tczew> question, can all MOTU members give ACK on FFe request?
[18:31] <Laney> no
[18:37] <fabrice_sp> only motu-release members
[18:38] <fabrice_sp> hmm: should be ubuntu-release, now
[18:40] <bdrung> ari-tczew: uploaded
[18:40] <bdrung> ari-tczew: no
[18:41] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: We haven't merged yet.
[18:42] <ari-tczew> what's the difference between motu-release and ubuntu-release?
[18:44] <fabrice_sp> before the archive reorg, motu-release was responsible for universe/multiverse and ubuntu-release for main
[18:45] <fabrice_sp> with the archive reorg, I can't remember if motu-release will be merged with ubuntu-release or not
[18:47] <fabrice_sp> thanks ScottK. Missed your comment
[18:53] <ari-tczew> so now how is it? no difference with subscribing ubuntu/motu -release?
[18:56] <fabrice_sp> ari-tczew, for the moment: universe/multiverse => motu-release, main => ubuntu-release
[18:56] <randomaction> why would you want do do it *now*, before FF?
[19:01] <ari-tczew> information for future ;)
[19:08] <adhorden> hi, whats the best way to create a meta package? Do I just need a control file that just depends on my other packages?
[19:17] <jreinhardt> bdrung: thank you
[19:24] <jreinhardt> siretart: Sorry for the noise :) Regarding texlive: pgfplots was also part of texlive 2008. I packaged pgfplots mostly to scratch my own itch. Do you know if there is any chance for texlive 2009 to arrive in the archives in the foreseeable future?
[19:25] <geser> it depends on how fast texlive 2009 stabilizes in Debian
[19:27] <randomaction> at least they already have it in unstable
[19:27] <siretart> jreinhardt: well, in theory it is just a sync away, texlive has reached unstable since a couple of weeks already and the maintainer has already started a thread on debian-release about its migration to testing
[19:31] <jreinhardt> ok, then I will keep the package in my ppa and not bother anybody about it anymore :) Thank you
[19:34] <jreinhardt> what shall I do with the package on REVU? Can I somehow indicate that it is not necessary to review it?
[19:35] <fabrice_sp> jreinhardt, you can 'delete' it in revu
[19:36] <siretart> fabrice_sp: I implemented that button so that it is restricted to revu admins. has this been changed?
[19:36] <siretart> jreinhardt: just make a comment, perhaps someone still finds the package useful
[19:37] <jreinhardt> siretart: ok, thank you. I was still searching for the delete button :)
[19:40] <fabrice_sp> siretart, IIRC, the uplaoder can delete his own package
[19:40]  * fabrice_sp is checking
[19:41] <fabrice_sp> ok: it's archive, not delete
[19:53] <emma> unquery
[20:14] <fabrice_sp> siretart, is revu aware of source format 3.0 (quilt)? I've just uploaded one, and it says that the package could not be extracted
[20:14] <fabrice_sp> bdrung, if you're still here: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/fceux updated
[20:19] <siretart> fabrice_sp: AFAIR spooky still runs hardy, and it is well possible that hardy's dpkg-source does not understand format 3 yet
[20:21] <siretart> yes, spooky is still in hardy, we would need a dpkg backport on sparc. then
[20:23] <troy43> Hi!, some expert in PPA?, I own a PPA to distribute my program, it has a jaunty published package, how can I updated it to karmic? Am I supposed to recompile it in a karmic pc and upload it again or can the ubuntu buildroots do this for me from the ppa webpage?
[20:32] <ScottK> troy43: How to work a PPA isn't on topic for this channel.
[20:35] <troy43> Scottk: ok..
[20:35] <maxb> Please ask on #launchpad
[20:40] <troy43> maxb: thanks!
[20:44] <crimsun> vtk is such a cluster of funballs.
[20:45]  * ScottK waves to crimsun.
[20:45] <ScottK> How's it going?
[20:46] <crimsun> the -dev deps are kludged^Wfixed
[20:46] <crimsun> just digging into -java now
[20:46] <ScottK> crimsun: I noticed a lot of the rdepends problems were on powerpc.  I think it's due to archive skew, but if there's something ppc specific you need tested, I have access to a box.
[20:47]  * ScottK thinks java will be most of the 'fun'.
[20:47] <ScottK> java + vtk.  What's not to love.
[20:48] <sebner> ScottK: everything :P
[21:38] <crimsun> ok, vtk fixed
[21:50] <bdrung> ari-tczew: instead of sending the whole debdiff to debian, you should extract the relevant part of it (in this case remove the changes to debian/changelog and debian/control)
[22:01] <bdrung> porthose: first sync request, that i do not ack directly
[22:12] <porthose> bdrung, yep should have been a merge :(
[22:13]  * porthose fixes
[22:13] <bdrung> porthose: time to sponsor your first merge? ;)
[22:14] <porthose> cool will ping you when I have it ready :)
[22:20] <bdrung> porthose: then hurry - i will go to sleep soon ;)
[22:21] <porthose> bdrung, how about I ping you tomorrow then :)
[22:21] <bdrung> dunno if i have time then
[22:37] <ari-tczew> bdrung, I mean like you said, but I think hmmm - interesting whether Debian maintainer is very lazy for review attached debdiff ;-)
[22:39] <bdrung> ari-tczew: the less work a maintainer have to do, the higher the change of getting it accepted.
[22:40] <bdrung> ari-tczew: for example: i prefer sponsoring sync, because they are easier/faster to review than merges
[22:43] <ari-tczew> bdrung, easy, I know Ubuntu politics for Debian - minimalize delta as smaller as possible, prefer to sync from Debian ;)
[22:44] <bdrung> yes
[22:46] <ari-tczew> bdrung, how are you think, do I have chance to join MOTU?
[22:47] <bdrung> ari-tczew: from today i would say, that more experience won't hurt. why don't you apply for Ubuntu Contributor first?
[22:49] <ari-tczew> why that?
[22:50] <ari-tczew> what's the difference? what give me Ubuntu Contributor first?
[22:52] <maxb> Contributing Developer is a special case of Ubuntu Membership where the membership-qualifying activity is packaging
[22:53] <ari-tczew> wow
[22:54] <porthose> bdrung, arrghhh this could take a while, the merged package fails to build :(
[22:55] <ari-tczew> huh, not only me have problems today ;-]
[22:56] <bdrung> ari-tczew: details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers
[22:57] <kkszysiu> hello
[22:58] <ari-tczew> bureaucracy, bureaucracy, and one more bureaucracy... I don't have time for reading while a long articles on wiki.ubuntu, because I don't know about one phrase.
[22:58] <ari-tczew> hello kkrzysiu
[22:59] <bdrung> ari-tczew: then read only the "Ubuntu Contributing Developers" section
[22:59] <kkszysiu> what I should do when I want to put my package into Ubuntu official repos?
[23:00] <ari-tczew> kkszysiu, make this package
[23:00] <ari-tczew> this is new package?
[23:00] <kkszysiu> yes
[23:00] <kkszysiu> gadu gadu support in telepathy
[23:00] <ari-tczew> read about REVU
[23:00] <kkszysiu> mostylu for users from Poland
[23:00] <bdrung> kkszysiu: or bring it into Debian
[23:01] <ari-tczew> kkszysiu I know what is gg :D
[23:01] <kkszysiu> ah youre from PL xD
[23:01] <ari-tczew> yeah, is it possible to pack only script into telepathy package?
[23:02] <kkszysiu> nope, its stand alone package like other connection managers for telepathy
[23:03] <ari-tczew> kkszysiu, from my point-of-view, better is create package in Debian first, this is more professionally
[23:03] <kkszysiu> hmm
[23:03] <ari-tczew> you will Debian Maintainer ;-)
[23:04] <kkszysiu> any tuts, please? :P Because it is not standard package and I dont know how to generate setup.py and other stuff like that
[23:04] <kkszysiu> for now Im using py2deb to generate package
[23:04] <bdrung> ari-tczew: it's easier to bring new packages to ubuntu through debian.
[23:04] <kkszysiu> but thats not pretty good
[23:05] <ari-tczew> bdrung, I know
[23:06] <bdrung> kkszysiu: it's easier to bring new packages to ubuntu through debian.
[23:06] <ari-tczew> bdrung, I decided, that I'll try to join MOTU in April
[23:06] <bdrung> k
[23:07] <bdrung> ari-tczew: how long are you doing packaging?
[23:07] <ari-tczew> I'm very busy now by very important project until end of March
[23:07] <ari-tczew> bdrung, March 2009
[23:07] <ari-tczew> I worked on my first package with you
[23:08] <ari-tczew> gwget 1.0.1-0ubuntu1
[23:08] <bdrung> :)
[23:08] <dhillon-v10> bdrung, how many packages do you have to build before you can join MOTU, is there like a limit
[23:09] <bdrung> ari-tczew: IIRC gwget was an example in our packaging jam session
[23:10] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: there is no hard limit. it depends on the person; how fast they learn.
[23:10] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: it's all about gathering experience.
[23:10] <geser> dhillon-v10: there is no limit, but the DMB has to judge somehow your packaging expierence and sponsored uploads are a way to do it
[23:11] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: i would recommend to work on ubuntu at least a half year, so that you go through a whole release cycle
[23:11] <ari-tczew> now I think that it's better if I'll join MOTU for next development release (10.10)
[23:11] <dhillon-v10> geser, I have had like 6 packages sponsored, and I filed quite a bit of sync/merge reports, I guess I still have to wait for a while, I still make some silly mistakes like the one you corrected the other day
[23:12] <dhillon-v10> bdrung, I have been working with ubuntu since 9.04 so :)
[23:12] <dhillon-v10> bdrung, well before that but started developing around that time
[23:13] <dhillon-v10> geser, you are in DMB right? how many packages would you like to see getting sponsored, just an estimate
[23:14] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: you should become Ubuntu Contributing Developers at least
[23:16] <dhillon-v10> bdrung, what is that, like a middle step for MOTU, i read about something like that on the wiki
[23:17] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: is it's a middle step. Ubuntu Contributing Developer will contain Ubuntu membership (with email address, etc)
[23:18] <geser> I'm in the MC (which is currently being merged into the DMB). It's hard to tell, as you should contribute for around a release to know each phase (and its policies), getting one upload sponsored each week (on average) shouldn't be that hard, so that would be around 30 sponsored uploads
[23:19] <dhillon-v10> bdrung, sorry I am taking a lot of your time, here's my wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dhillonv10/ do you think I'll make it to contributing developer
[23:19] <dhillon-v10> geser, alright thanks :)
[23:19] <dhillon-v10> geser, alright that seems sensible and not too hard :D so I'll wait for 10.10
[23:20] <ari-tczew> dhillon-v10, you're welcome
[23:20] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: how old are you?
[23:20] <dhillon-v10> bdrung, I am 17
[23:20] <ari-tczew> maybe 10?
[23:20] <dhillon-v10> ari-tczew, no :)
[23:20] <micahg> is there any special group for prospective developers?
[23:21] <ari-tczew> dhillon-v10, could you change your IRC nick to more easier?
[23:21] <bdrung> ari-tczew: he is the tenth clone (-> version 10) ;)
[23:21] <dhillon-v10> ari-tczew, is my wiki that bad ?
[23:21] <ari-tczew> bdrung, maybe 10 source format? :D
[23:21] <dhillon-v10> bdrung, lol yup my other 9 clones are doing packaging :)
[23:22] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: your irc nick indicated the 10
[23:22] <dhillon-v10> bdrung, yah the 10th clone is the one talking to you :D
[23:22] <ari-tczew> I think that if you'll have nick "Vikram", it's easier to write and remember
[23:23] <dhillon-v10> ari-tczew, alright I'll change my nice :)
[23:23] <dhillon-v10> *nick
[23:24] <ari-tczew> specially if you want to join MOTU, you'll active on IRC, so I recommend you to change nick
[23:25] <Laney> I don't think it matters
[23:26] <vikram> ari-tczew, okay so how about now
[23:27] <ari-tczew> Laney, IIRC you always have conservative point-of-views
[23:27] <ari-tczew> vikram, looks better than previously
[23:28] <Laney> I have what?
[23:28] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: you are part of the community and know many people, you have contributed to ubuntu. six uploads is not much. if you want, you can apply for ubuntu-contributors. it will needs some week till then and in this time you can do some more uploads
[23:28] <bdrung> vikram: ^
[23:29] <micahg> so, 30 uploads is standard for universe-contributors?
[23:29] <ari-tczew> Laney, it's hard to talk about in english, this is polish phrase
[23:29] <bdrung> ari-tczew, vikram: i think it help, if irc nick = launchpad nick
[23:29] <vikram> bdrung, alright thanks, should I change my nick back ??
[23:29] <ari-tczew> bdrung, always my LP nick = IRC nick IIRC ;-)
[23:29] <bdrung> vikram: use the nick, that you prefer
[23:30] <geser> micahg: no, that's for MOTU (but no requirement more a personal rule of thumb)
[23:30] <ari-tczew> 30 uploads including syncs?
[23:30] <vikram> bdrung, most people know me as dhillon-v10 so I'll just stick to that, sorry ari-tczew
[23:30] <geser> yes, syncs, merges, bug fixes
[23:31] <ari-tczew> done
[23:31] <Laney> I would imagine a range of work would help
[23:31] <dhillon-v10> geser, my problem is that I contribute to upstream linux kernel and do patches there so they don't count for Ubuntu
[23:33] <geser> micahg: for universe-contributors around 5 uploads would be nice (so we know that you mean it for real) (again that's no requirement)
[23:33] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: but working upstream does not count as packaging ;)
[23:33] <dhillon-v10> bdrung, that is true :)
[23:34] <dhillon-v10> geser, so I am eligible for universe-contributors nice :D
[23:34] <ari-tczew> hmmm, so Universe Contributors is like a queue for MOTU
[23:34] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: You're eligible to apply, but that is also supposed to be based on sustained contribution.
[23:35] <ScottK> ari-tczew: It can be if you want to become an Ubuntu member first.  It's not required.
[23:36] <micahg> geser: is there an advantage for me to apply for universe-contributors as a stepping stone to MOTU since I'm already an Ubuntu member?
[23:36] <cyberix_> lintian debugging tool gives me a warning of missing soname for libkunquat.so
[23:36] <bdrung> ari-tczew: you can see it as probationary period
[23:36] <cyberix_> libkunquat developer asks me how to test, if he has managed to fix the problem
[23:37] <geser> ari-tczew: not directly, but your (sustained and substancial) contributions to Ubuntu development qualify for Ubuntu membership (other ways are e.g. bug triaging or LoCo work)
[23:37] <cyberix_> So
[23:37] <geser> micahg: not really (unless you want a badge more on your LP page :)
[23:37] <cyberix_> How does one check, if an so-file is missing and soname or not?
[23:37] <ari-tczew> heh, so what's doing MOTU? geser
[23:38] <micahg> geser: not worth it...I guess I'll wait till after Lucid and maybe have enough uploads to apply for MOTU
[23:38] <geser> MOTU gives uploads rights to the universe (and multiverse) component (and of course Ubuntu membership too)
[23:38] <ari-tczew> I want to join MOTU because I want uploading packages themselve and ACKing syncs
[23:39] <ScottK> Then there's really no reason to bother with UUC.
[23:39]  * ari-tczew is confused
[23:39] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, I guess I can just wait for a while until I have a bunch of uploads and then just apply for MOTU
[23:40] <geser> ari-tczew: in what way confused?
[23:40] <ari-tczew> as you said geser, MOTU and Ubuntu membership both gives uploads rights to the universe
[23:41] <ari-tczew> so what's the difference between UUC and MOTU
[23:41] <ari-tczew> ...
[23:41] <bdrung> dhillon-v10: i recommend to become contributor first
[23:41] <geser> no, Ubuntu membership gives no upload rights (but MOTUs are also Ubuntu members)
[23:41] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: I would encourage you to be a little more focused and show clearly you know what you are doing.  I've seen you say you're going to do stuff and it doesn't happen.  My first interaction with you was when you gave a completely bogus reply to a soyuz question I'd asked.  If you get an reputation for unreliability, you may never get to be a MOTU.
[23:41] <ari-tczew> nosense
[23:42] <ScottK> ari-tczew: UUC is about membership.  Nothing to do with upload rights.
[23:42] <ari-tczew> wow! (ironic)
[23:42] <ScottK> How so?
[23:43] <RAOF> cyberix_: “objdump -x /path/to/libfoo.so | grep SONAME"
[23:43] <cyphermox> bdrung, regarding Bug 502651, why a debdiff between debian and ubuntu rather than the one between the new and previous ubuntu version already there? because it's a native package?
[23:43] <bdrung> ari-tczew: UUC gives you reputation, too.
[23:43] <ari-tczew> nevermind... as I said previously, I'll join MOTU in April, I'll ready for work on 10.10
[23:44] <ari-tczew> UUC? if I'll find time, of course
[23:44] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, really? what question was that? I know I am stupid but now that stupid :)
[23:44] <bdrung> ari-tczew: UUC = Ubuntu Contributing Developer = member of ubuntu-contributors
[23:44] <bdrung> cyphermox: because it's a merge from Debian.
[23:45] <Laney> cyphermox: because that shows the changes you made more clearly
[23:45] <geser> cyphermox: a debdiff between Debian and Ubuntu makes the review easier (the remaining Ubuntu changes are easier to spot) as we usually don't review the Debian changes
[23:45] <cyphermox> ok.
[23:45] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: You told me I was supposed to mark if a response had resolved my question when I had already done so.  It makes me question if you have the attention to detail necessary for being a MOTU.
[23:45] <cyphermox> because 501697 was uploaded and was a ubuntu-ubuntu debdiff, hence why I'm a little confused
[23:46] <ari-tczew> ok guys, I'm going to bed, bye
[23:47] <cyberix_> RAOF: thankyou
[23:50] <bdrung> cyphermox: if the ubuntu -> ubuntu diff is small, you can attach it to the bug report, too (as addition)
[23:51] <bdrung> hey guys. look at that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[23:52] <cyphermox> bdrung, cool, sorry for the noise :) it seems the bzr branch wasn't even up to date anyway
[23:52] <bdrung> cyphermox: no problem.
[23:53] <geser> an empty u-u-s queue?
[23:53] <Laney> surely not!
[23:54] <bdrung> geser: yes. that was hard work