[00:22] <tos_> how do i setup ubuntu Cloud!?!?
[00:31] <jmarsden> tos_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC
[01:23] <ubuntuisloved> I was wondering why certain default shell accounts like games, sync, bin, sys, lp all have /bin/sh as there shell ? why wouldn't it be restricted to no login?
[01:58] <Xpistos>  is there any reason why I can delete files over sshfs in nautilus, but not un empty folders?
[04:27] <Guest86031> ok i am trying to find out if install ubuntu server does erase ubuntu desktop
[04:28] <Guest86031> hello
[04:28] <jmarsden> Guest86031: install how?  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-server ?    Or boot from a Ubuntu Server CD and go through the installation process?
[04:28] <Guest86031> either one
[04:29] <zzz20091>  I am looking for some advice on the best way to setup a server for a group of 5-20 people retirees, geographically dispersed, therefor no local login.  we have an imap server setup using 9.10 server, we want to add shared and personal storage accessible from anywhere.  I had suggested using knowledgetree, but I was wondering if there might be a better solution.
[04:29] <Guest86031> no this is for a website that soon might have thousands of people
[04:31] <Guest86031>  jmarsden which is the best way to install the server
[04:31] <jmarsden> Guest86031: You are expecting thousands of visitors to a web site and don't know how to install the OS yet??  The best way depends on your hardware... if you have a CDROM containing Ubuntu Server, one good way to install it is to boot the server from that CD and follow the installer prompts.
[04:33] <Guest86031> ok i know how to do that part but will it erase the desktop
[04:33] <jmarsden> Guest86031: This *will* erase the hard drive(s) on your server if you let it.  It depends how you answer the questions and how the "desktop" was originally installed and partitioned.
[04:34] <Guest86031> ok so if i choose the other harddrive to install server it will be fine
[04:34] <jmarsden> How do I know, what "other hard drive"?  You have not said anything about how many drives your server has and how they are configured, so I can't guarantee anything will be fine :)
[04:34] <Guest86031> 6
[04:35] <jmarsden> And you partitioned them how?  and installed Ubuntu Desktop how, on which drives?
[04:35] <Guest86031> c
[04:35] <Guest86031> the only thing on c is ubuntu desktop
[04:36] <Guest86031> i formatted all hard drives then installed ubuntu on c drive
[04:36] <jmarsden> There is no C in Linux devices... /dev/sdc ?
[04:36] <jmarsden> C: is a Windows thing, not a Linux thing.
[04:36] <Guest86031> o
[04:36] <Guest86031> my fault
[04:37] <Guest86031> well it was the c drive
[04:37] <Guest86031> lol
[04:37] <Guest86031> forgive me im a newb
[04:37] <jmarsden> What device is it now?  Are all these drives just set up as individual drives, or is there any RAID going on?
[04:37] <Guest86031> good question
[04:37] <Guest86031> how can i find out
[04:38] <jmarsden> Newcomers who are expecting thousands of web site visitors "soon" should get paid consulting help ASAP!
[04:38] <Guest86031> no im not much of a newb just to runnin a web server
[04:39] <Guest86031> i have 5 website with 300-500 people registered
[04:39] <jmarsden> mount   # will tell how what is mounted where
[04:39] <Guest86031> but yahoo is kicking my domains out due to laggin out server
[04:40] <jmarsden> Guest86031: So you are trying to set up your own server... but still want a Ubuntu desktop install on one of its drives?? What use will the DEsktop install be to you once you boot the server?
[04:40] <Guest86031> idk
[04:40] <Guest86031> i dont really need it
[04:40] <jmarsden> Then why are you trying to keep it?
[04:41] <Guest86031> i thought i had to have for certain things
[04:41] <Guest86031> like storage for music files and such for website
[04:41] <jmarsden> For what?   Why does that need a desktop install on a spare hard drive on your server??
[04:41] <Guest86031> it dont i see that now
[04:42] <Guest86031> so i guess ill just install it and erase desktop
[04:42] <jmarsden> OK, so just back up any data you care about from that installation somewhere safe, and then boot the server machine from the Ubuntu Server CD and let it install
[04:42] <jmarsden> Yes.
[04:42] <Guest86031> thanks man
[04:42] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[04:42] <Guest86031> sorry for being a newb
[04:43] <Guest86031> 1 more
[04:43] <Guest86031> i can still use ubunto on personal computer under vmware right
[04:43] <jmarsden> You may want to read http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html to learn more about Linux, BTW
[04:43] <Guest86031> ok well thanks
[04:43] <jmarsden> On which personal computer?  The same one you are using as a server?
[04:43] <Guest86031> no
[04:44] <jmarsden> Then some other computer is not affected by what you do on the server, so ... yes, you can still run Ubuntu on some other machine under VMware or virtualbox or any other virtualization setup you want to :)
[04:45] <Guest86031> ok thanks man
[04:45] <Guest86031> later
[04:45] <jmarsden> The Ubuntu Server Guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/ is also worth reading ... have fun :)
[04:48] <ScottK> zzz20091: How would you like for these people to be able to access their information?
[04:57] <zzz20091> ScottK: thats a good question, as most of them are WXP users i had thought samba. But how secure is samba over the internet, and 2nd samba doesn't
[05:01] <zzz20091> cont - samba isn't a co-operative environment.   looking at desired functions, shared address book -- LDAP?, shared calendar -- ?, personal and shared file storage, a lot of the group travel quite extensively so WEB based access might be a 'good' idea. I am open to almost any suggestions, however I would prefer pre-built solutions as I am not comfortable with source installs.
[05:05] <ScottK> For shared address book and calendar, Google is hard to beat.
[05:07] <jla> ScottK: I for one, and there are others in the group, am not very comfortable in putting my data on to a server not in my home country, US privacy and protection laws only apply to US citizens.
[05:09] <jla> ScottK: One of the reasons for setting up our own servers is that we are mostly affiliated with a political direction which is not particularly fond of the current government!
[05:13] <ScottK> jla: are you zzz20091?
[05:13] <jla> yes, why do you ask?
[05:13] <ScottK> just making sure I'm continuing the same conversation
[05:14] <jla> I am new to IRC so I am not sure how I should set myself up, I am using pidgin, advise welcome on all subjects.
[05:28] <ScottK> It's fine, just suprised me when you switched.
[05:30] <jla> ScottK: sorry I thought the system announced nickname changes?
[05:30] <ScottK> jla: It does, but I hide them (along with joins/quits) so I can read the backlog better.
[05:30] <jla> ScottK: usefull
[05:35] <ScottK> jla: You might consider http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/ for calendaring.  I haven't used it myself, but it is packaged.
[05:39] <jla> ScottK; i have looked at that, but from what I have heard mozzilla is probably going to drop sunbird in favour of lightning, they are trying to look and feel like MS Outlook. i think they would be better going the other way and creating separate mail/calendar/address book apps that co-operate.
[05:40] <ScottK> Unfortunately cross platform calendaring isn't such a mature area.
[05:40] <ScottK> Sorry I don't have a lot of great suggestions.  It's not something I've had to worry about in a very long time.
[05:42] <jla> Not to worry, what is your opinion on Samba across the WEB.
[05:45] <ScottK> Samba is something I've managed to totally avoid having any experience or opinions on.
[05:46] <ScottK> Mostly I use sftp.
[05:46] <ScottK> Actually I think pretty exclusively I use sftp.
[05:46] <phreezyphreaky> jla, I would not run samba across the web.  If a user needs access to files, I would have them VPN to the network and tunnel samba through that
[05:49] <jla> phreezyphreaky: I had sorta thought that might be the case. Any ideas as to how many VPNs a server could handle. The internet side is a DSL connection running at about 8M.
[05:51] <phreezyphreaky> VPN is generally okay for accessing small files.  Big files then to take a long time to open.  If they need to access big files, there are better solutions
[05:51] <jla> phreezyphreaky: i am all ears
[05:52] <phreezyphreaky> jla, I usually recommend Windows Terminal Server or Citrix (if it is a big implementation or requires additional features)
[05:53] <phreezyphreaky> jla, not sure but maybe you can do the same thing with Linux with a X11 server and clients but I'm not really familar with that
[05:54] <phreezyphreaky> jla, basically the idea here is the server gives each user a "desktop" that they can use to access files or programs on the server.  All that is transmitted between the server and the client are screen updates, keyboard strokes, and mouse movements.
[05:55] <jla> We would prefer to avoid MS products, and some of these people will be working offline while travelling
[05:56] <phreezyphreaky> Then the VPN is your best bet with some kind of offline folder sync.  Unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with those options in Linux.  Came from a predominantly Windows background
[05:58] <jla> phreezyphreaky: same here, corporate world is windows.
[06:00] <phreezyphreaky> jla, exactly.  And to tell you the truth.. for small networks, I almost always recommend Microsoft.  They are more familiar with it and less training.  Especially for remote access.  That is hard enough with Windows
[06:00] <phreezyphreaky> What OS is used to access the server?
[06:01] <ScottK> Mostly Window XP he said earlier.
[06:01] <ScottK> OTOH, this is for a political group that may have significant security concerns, so an internet facing Windows server may not be the best idea.
[06:03] <phreezyphreaky> Well an SSL-VPN appliance to handle the VPNs into the network should take care of securely accessing the internal network
[06:05] <phreezyphreaky> Found this link for syncing files from a Linux server to a Windows client: http://www.trueblade.com/knowledge/using-rsync-and-cygwin-to-sync-files-from-a-linux-server-to-a-windows-notebook-pc
[06:05] <jla> ScottK: very true, some of us fear there may be a coup etate in the near future. which might make life interesting.
[06:06] <ScottK> So you also probably want to be thinking about stuff like Tor (which is not packaged by Ubuntu because we couldn't keep the packages up to date enoug)
[06:06] <ScottK> If you have users that can handle rysync and that will meet your requirements, it's both secure and conservative of bandwidth.
[06:11] <jla> i think I have heard of TOR and if it the package I am thinking of it may not be enough, but I will take another look
[06:12] <ScottK> Tor is not sufficient for what you are thinking, but from a security perspective it may be an essential piece of the solution.
[06:15] <phreezyphreaky> Be careful with Tor.  It is encrypted but only up to when it leaves the Tor network.  It is NOT encrypted from the Tor exit point to the destination.  Also, anybody can be a Tor relay and it's possible for someone to try and hack into your information when it passes through a hacker's Tor relay
[06:15] <jla> It is the security ? that is most bothersome, when i started this quest it was just an item on the list. however as some of our number are getting worried it has come to the for.
[06:15] <phreezyphreaky> Tor is best used if you are just trying to disguise your IP
[06:16] <jla> That maybe an important service/facility
[06:18] <ScottK> Tor doesn't do anything for security in transit.  It makes it difficult to connect endpoints together.
[06:23] <jla> for the moment I am going to hope that the ideas generating the security concerns are paranoia, and put them on the back burner. That does not mean that any solution can ignore security just it does not have to rule the roost.
[06:24] <phreezyphreaky> jla, VPN is the solution for securely access services from the Internet to your internal network.  All companies use it.  Do a little research and you'll see
[06:28] <jla> phreezyphreaky: VPNs are certainly the answer to secure connectivity. doesn't answer the problem of shared address and calendar. in my initial digging I came across mention of the "hord' as a web based solution, anything known?
[06:33] <jla> I am being paged by SWMBO, have to go. zzz2002 at gmail dot com
[07:35] <danielck> posted this in #ubuntu but since I'm running server I think it might be a better idea to post it here...
[07:35] <danielck> I'm having a Locale problem - /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale show LANG=en_US.UTF-8 but "locale" command gives me an empty LANG= and the rest is just POSIX
[07:37] <danielck> running Hardy
[11:14] <eqx311> ;)
[11:46] <sabgenton> if i put ubuntu-server.seed on the ulternative install verions  will it install the server edition
[11:47] <sabgenton> exatly
[11:47] <sabgenton> exactly
[12:42] <cemc> does rsync provide an xinetd.d/rsync file? I have rsync installed, and I installed xinetd after
[12:42] <ivoks> ?
[12:42] <ivoks> rsync has its own init script
[12:43] <cemc> I mean I want to run rsync from xinetd, and on centos for example there is an /etc/xinetd.d/rsync file
[12:43] <cemc> which describes the rsync service for xinetd
[12:43] <ivoks> in ubuntu, by default, rsync is started from init script
[12:43] <cemc> I know, but I want it from xinetd. I need to write my own file for it then ?
[12:44] <ivoks> if you want it in xinetd, you can probably just copy the xinet.d/rsync file
[12:44] <ivoks> from centos
[12:44] <ivoks> just make sure that paths are correct
[12:45] <cemc> mhm
[14:56] <TDJACR> I'm trying to use IPv6 via a tunnel on a server of mine and ufw seems to block all ipv6 connections while allowing ipv4 connections to the same ports
[14:57] <TDJACR> And ipv6 is enabled in /etc/default/ufw
[15:38] <blue-frog> trying to chroot sftp on 9.04, am still having a problem of ownership apparently. has anyone some time to spare with me?
[17:32] <TDJACR> I'm trying to use IPv6 via a tunnel on a server of mine and ufw seems to block all ipv6 connections while allowing ipv4 connections to the same ports
[17:33] <jpds> TDJACR: /etc/default/ufw
[17:34] <jpds> TDJACR: IPV6=yes
[17:34] <TDJACR> Forgot to mention that I did that
[17:34] <jpds> sudo ufw disable && sudo ufw enable ?
[17:34] <TDJACR> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1371345&highlight=ufw+ipv6 might clarify
[17:34] <TDJACR> jpds: Yes sir
[17:35] <jpds> TDJACR: is there any information about ufw blocks in /var/log/messages ?
[17:35] <TDJACR>  /me checks...
[17:35] <TDJACR> Oops
[17:35]  * TDJACR checks...
[17:39] <TDJACR> [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=fe:fd:61:6b:8a:6f:00:d0:02:20:38:00:08:00 SRC=209.51.161.14 DST=xx.xxx.xxx.xxx LEN=100 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=23 ID=31372 PROTO=41
[17:39] <TDJACR> That was with the HE tunnel
[17:41] <TDJACR> jpds: ^
[17:44] <TDJACR> jpds: http://pastebin.com/d17f0e2d2 <-- UFW block log
[17:51] <jpds> TDJACR: No idea, sorry.
[17:51] <TDJACR> jpds: Okay, no problem
[17:51] <TDJACR> Thanks
[19:46] <pm> Hey everybody, I have a somewhat unusual problem. I just installed the most recent ubuntu server on an old thinkpad. I need to use a rt2500 PCMCIA wireless card. I do not know how to get it to work. lspci shows the card. I have the server-thinkpad right here with me so I can try some things you suggest. many thanks
[19:58] <pm> Hey, does ubuntu karmic server have pcmcia support built in? I can see a pcmcia card via lspci. does that mean pcmcia support works?
[20:16] <qman__> pm, if it shows up in lspci, it's working
[20:16] <qman__> as for whether hot plugging will work, you can't really be sure until you try
[20:17] <qman__> run 'sudo ifconfig -a'
[20:17] <qman__> if a card by the name ra0 shows up, it's all working
[20:19] <pm> qman__, thanks, will try.
[20:20] <pm> qman__, there's just a wlan0, no ra0.
[20:22] <pm> lshw -C network tells me the network is disabled but shows a wireless interface with driver=rt2500pci which should be right.
[20:29] <qman__> pm, looks like it's working to me then, try setting it with iwconfig
[20:29] <qman__> the driver used to use the ra0 name, but then there was a bug with networkmanager not being able to use them
[20:29] <qman__> so it would make sense if they changed it to use wlan0
[20:29] <qman__> I haven't used one in years though
[20:36] <pm> qman__, iwlist scan says interface doesn't support scanning: network is down
[20:37] <pm> ifup says it doesn't know the interface
[20:37] <qman__> try doing 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 up' first
[20:37] <qman__> then using iwconfig to connect to an access point
[20:37] <qman__> it's not a permanent solution by any means, but ok for testing
[20:38] <pm> hey, now iwlist scan gives some results! thanks so far!
[20:39] <pm> can i somehow automate this 'ifconfig wlan0 up' ?
[20:39] <qman__> there is some other correct way to set up /etc/network/interfaces for wireless, but I don't know it
[20:40] <qman__> so that you auto connect to a certain wireless network
[20:40] <pm> ok, I can google for that
[20:40] <pm> thanks
[20:40] <qman__> no problem
[21:40] <blue-frog_> how to have sftp in debug mode? is it enought to launch sshd in debug mode?
[22:26] <Mike_lifeguard> I'm trying to check ssh keys on my system with ssh-vulnkey. I have openssh-blacklist and openssh-blacklist-extra installed, but I'm still getting "Unknown (blacklist file not installed)" when running sudo ssh-vulnkey -a. What should I do differently?
[22:51] <davidtre_> hello all!
[22:54] <davidtre_> I just have this cleanly installed server with 9.10 after the first update I have  grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `sil_aiaiafafaccb5', anyone knows this issue ?