[00:57] egads, this guy rips Xubuntu's heart out in his review. However, it's not *supposed* to be Ubuntu or Kubuntu. It's as small a distro as you can get (this is small footprint) with as many funcionalities as possible.. [00:57] geeze.. [00:57] http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xubuntu-9-10.html [00:58] if we wanted Ubuntu or Kubuntu, wouldn't we go with those two? People are such arses. [00:58] !language [00:58] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [00:58] 'arse' is bad? [00:59] well, the overall attitude wasn't the best possible. [00:59] yah, well. I don't see anything under !attitude --- dude. :) [00:59] hehe. [01:00] the guy doesn't allow you to respoind to him on his site, unfortunately. [01:00] http://www.dedoimedo.com/contact_me.html [01:08] I'm goint to digg it instead.. [01:09] on occasion I write people and most never respond. Did they even read it? You never know. [01:15] hello people, I had major problem with audio on Ubuntu and gone to my all nice working Xubuntu, though only difference is that I use 64bit than 32bit one I was using, and while one programs plays audio, the rest go silent, any ideas? [02:00] I dugg, I commented, and I'm done: [02:00] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Xubuntu_9_10_Review_Unremarkable [02:35] hi, i just finished installing xubuntu on my Ibook G3 and i'm having a problem with my video. It seems like the display is divided in to two and both are showing the same. Can someone help me [03:00] ok here is an update my screen is black and will not show the GUI [03:46] Amako, hmmm... I don't know much about Apple. [03:47] are you dual booting? [03:48] you'll have to find your video card and see if it's supported. For me, I have NVIDIA, which Xubuntu handled well through restricted hardware app. === magic_ninja is now known as magic_ninja420 === magic_ninja420 is now known as magic_ninjai === magic_ninjai is now known as magic_ninja [04:08] howdy doody... I'm looking for some information on commands. I'm trying to setup some keyboard shortcuts [04:23] Settings>Keyboard pdg1. [04:26] cool. and commands? [04:26] What are you wanting? [04:27] i want it to bring up the logout menu [04:28] there must be a list of commands somewhere. but I'm have a hard time finding it [04:28] http://linux.die.net/man/1/xfce4-session-logout [04:29] sweet deal :D [04:29] Or try xfce4-session. [04:34] wooo [04:34] it worked :P [04:34] session-logout [04:42] likemindead, this linux.die.net site you gave me is pretty awesome. [04:42] thanks [04:42] I was just the first thing that popped up with I entered "Xfce logout" at Google. ;-) [04:43] whatever... :P [04:44] lol... I guess I should have tried that instead of just xfce keyoard shortcuts [04:45] I'm assuming you use xubuntu? [04:45] Yep. [04:46] I've created a few keyboard shortcuts on here. I use Super+T to open a terminal. Probably my most used. [04:47] what is super? [04:47] CTRL shift? [04:48] "Super" is the "Windows" key... [04:48] In Linux talk, apparently. [04:49] aha! I was wondering why no apps ever used it for other keybindings [04:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_(keyboard_button) [04:51] i found a fix for my screen problem but the instructions say to type: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf. But when i do that it says sodu: kate: command not found. [04:52] kate is for KDE [04:53] it's asking you to edit the file xorg.conf so you can replace the command kate for something like nano [04:53] oh ok, sorry i'm still trying to learn about all the commands. i'm running xubuntu 9.10 karmic koala. [04:54] ie..... sudo nano /etc/X/xorg.conf [04:54] me 3 :D [04:54] still new to linux? [04:55] oh yea, i been reading tons and i thought i will learn by trying to get my ibook g3 going with xubuntu [04:55] good choice [04:56] i had a bit of a twitch there... I try my best to be as tolerant towards apple users as i can [04:56] lol [04:57] they say suse installs with no problems but i wanted to try to document how i got my ibook running xubuntu so people can have something to fall back on [04:57] pdg1, Amako; mousepad is the default gui text editor for xubuntu [04:57] plus i have a desktop running ubuntu and i love it [04:58] groovy [05:14] is there a good book or a guide to learn how to use linux better [05:21] amako, not really [05:22] most of it comes from use, i think [05:23] oh ok well i'm letting you guys know now... i'm sorry i like to ask 20 million questions so i don't have to keep coming back LOL [05:23] well, that's probably not true. There's lots of stuff on thems internets [05:23] That's what the support channels and forums and man pages and other things are for [05:24] i did notice one thing, i tried using the search option on the forums and it does not work very good. [05:25] one thing I learnt about getting help on IRC and forums while i was modding my Xbox is that people are generally helpfull as long as you're willing to make some effort at learning and not getting spoon fed [05:28] yes, i understand. i found a thread on the ubuntu forums on how to fix my Display but when i did a search for ibook g3 on the forum search tool nothing came up. The way i found it was doing a Google search for the topic. Thats the reason i was wondering if there is a secret to searching for things on the ubuntu forums. [05:32] there probably is... but i don't know it [05:32] and I doubt anyone else does... that's why it's a secret [05:33] LOL thanks man. i think i found tons of info on how to get the ibook going. i have to make a xorg.conf with the correct settings and that should take care of my first problem but thanks so far for the help. [05:47] hello there, i was just wondering how u turn on the advanced desktop effects in xubuntu. In ubuntu, you just right-click the desktop. I've downloaded and installed the compiz config settings manager, but ticking the effects doesnt change anything, can any1 help me? [07:58] What is the button next to minimize called in Xfce? [08:20] how do i delete a partition [08:20] in terminal i mean [08:20] i tried arklinux and it is corrupt and i want to delete it [08:21] <_Pete_> with fdisk [08:22] so do i .....terminal>sudo fdisk [08:22] <_Pete_> sudo fdisk /dev/XXX [08:22] <_Pete_> where XXX is your drive like sda [08:23] hmmm ok will try thanks [08:27] i have 4 lights in the back of my dell, they are for diagnostics, the one light is yellow which means a bad microprocessor...but i think it is ark linux becasue it let me run a dell disk for a long long time, but when i am in ark it shuts off and i get the yellow light [08:28] when i do a function outside of arklinux i have no problem...in arklinux i suddenly have a bad cpu? [09:17] ohhoh ainoa -lta minun tietokone on varmasti liata. [09:18] so i took out the rdram and put in this one [09:21] kas noin i-kirjain olen kiinnijuuttunut avulla tietokone että has ei rdram ja jokin jokin [09:46] Hi. I'm teaching my father to use Ubuntu (xubuntu actually). Problem is that the folder that are created automatically are in English: Download, Pictures etc... while in the filemanager etc... they are written in the local language (Norwegian). I would like that the original folders also are in Norwegian as it confuses my father that the same place has two names. I cannot find out how to set it up without breaking the system. Where is it defined that Pi [09:46] cture folder is Bilder (in norwegian). I would like to rename the Picture folder to Bilder and Documents to Dokumenter etc... [09:46] without breaking things [09:51] i just renamed them, nothing broked [09:52] but programs create new folders, if names tha they use don't match [09:53] but those can be set up by hand [09:53] where I setup this [09:53] on program itself [09:54] so there is no gconf or setp file I can change [09:54] no [09:54] I mean thunar got after I switched language to Norwegian [09:54] all bookmarks in Norwegian [09:54] and they point to English named Folders [09:55] it would have been better to make whole installation in norvegian [10:11] Well I don't want Norwegian [10:11] Easier to do things in English as I don't need to translate all howtos to manage to do changes [10:12] but [10:12] say I had installed in Norwegian [10:12] hum [10:12] Then the folder would have gotten Norwegian names [10:13] so how then can firefox etc... find the Norwegian folder [10:13] I mean there must be some mechanisme here [10:13] F.ex Videos is Videoklipp [10:13] so if cheese is to use this folder by defualt it needs to know that this is the correct folder [10:14] that is why I'm thinking there myst be some setup file somewhere [10:14] hmm, i don't know, i just did it as it worked :p [10:15] i don't know if there's any common setup, because all programs have settings saved in home folder [10:15] arg [10:15] in hidden folders [10:15] cheese generated a new directory called Videos [10:18] found it! [10:18] ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs [11:19] How do I get a widget like this: http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=337635 - Please PM me if you got an answer :) [11:44] hi [13:07] Just wanted to thank everyone for the help to get my ibook running. === jcfp is now known as Guest56118 === Guest56118 is now known as jcfp` === jcfp` is now known as jcfp`` === jcfp`` is now known as jcfp [15:01] Hi. [15:01] hello kemek [15:02] Ive got frustrating problem. Is there anyone who would try to help me? [15:02] !ask [15:02] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [15:03] what problem? [15:03] [; [15:03] Now Im on Xubuntu and i had the same problem with Mandriva. [15:03] Very common problem with high CPU usage of Xorg [15:04] Ive read almost every topic in the Internet and still no idea... [15:04] What's your hardware? [15:04] Ive got Dell D600 [15:04] Radeon Mobility 9000. [; [15:05] Pentium M 1,6; 768 MB RAM [15:05] Its something like that. [15:05] : [15:05] And Xorg is flipping out on you? [15:06] For example im watching a longer film on Youtube. Exerything is ok... [15:06] Cpu at about 60%. [15:06] Is there an ATI driver you can install? [15:06] No. Ive gor open 'radeon' [15:06] kemek: that's matter of flash, it uses lot of cpu [15:07] But wait... [15:07] 60% during plain watching is ok. [15:07] Yeah, I can barely watch Flash videos on my old Dell C610... [15:08] But suddenly CPU goes 100%, film becomes presentation and computer responses like 486. [; [15:08] And here is interesting thing... [15:08] I kill Firefox (Opera or anything) and Xorg is still at 100% CPU [15:09] for how long? [15:09] I have to reboot or leave computer for about 5-10 minutes to "refresh". [15:09] Is there a "restricted" ATI driver you can try? [15:09] Ive read rv250 doesnt have working properiaty driver. [15:09] (Go to System>Hardware Drivers) [15:09] Ah... [15:10] Nothing. Only Wifi Broadcom card. [15:10] if that's 1,6 ghz single core, flash eats it alive [15:10] Its not just a flash that causes it. [15:10] ! [15:10] also exists on other things? [15:11] Sometimes just higher cpu usage for some minutes and the same thing happens. [15:11] Encoding movie for example. [15:12] yeah, it shouldn't rise cpu load for xorg process very much still [15:12] And sometimes just normal Firefox using. [15:12] I'd fall back to 8.04, the Long Term Support release. It's a more stable branch. :-\ [15:13] One process uses quite a lot of CPU -> 100% usage of Xorg and this process -> killing this process -> 100% Xorg usage [15:13] but i had the same problem in Mandriva [15:13] i thought that xfce would change something [15:14] it don't change drivers [15:14] i know. [15:14] xfce isn't available for mandriva? [15:15] yesterday i removed alsa and installed OSS and it decreased CPU usage even in flash movies. but this 100% usage still happens... [15:15] I dont know but i also wanted to try other distro. (; [15:15] like what? [15:17] hmm. I mean, i didnt change to Xubuntu just to have a look at xfce, but also try other distribution. (; [15:17] sure, you will find something you like. there are plenty out there [15:18] But still this problem? [; [15:18] xubuntu has one major advantage, and that easy to use. [15:18] Im so frustrated sometimes... [15:18] frustrated at what? [15:18] have you used xp on that hardware? [15:18] yes [15:18] that should be frustrating [15:19] i see [15:19] Once i turned on just Exaile, then radio station and Xorg ate 100%... And reboot! [; [15:19] exaile actually isn't very lightweight [15:20] no, not if you want them to do everything [15:20] Exactly. In last week i used win xp 3 times instead of Xubuntu. [15:20] And exerything is ok [15:20] it's usable with that amount of memory? [15:21] Yes. It uses more memory but 768 MB is enough. [15:21] woah [15:22] I encoded four 50minute videos in a row in Win Xp. [15:22] And it didnt crash. [15:23] So noone with a solution or same problem? [; [15:23] Maybe ill try 8.04 [15:23] but its not a solution. [15:23] i have never had a crash..yet [15:24] in dual core CPU it wouldnt be so annoying, but in this one its unusable... Just save session and reboot. [15:25] Hmm. [15:25] p4 here and i have 2 p3's [15:25] Not mobile. [15:25] my celeron machine with intel gpu crashed all the time [15:26] havent tried celeron's [15:26] with centos works, just need to get correct resolution [15:26] Ive read somewhere that turning off ACPI worked for some people. I know its trange, but is there a short command to do it? [15:26] that's laptop [15:27] not that i know of kemek [15:27] I know, but i would know if thats it. [15:27] google it [15:28] i think you need to put it at the end of kernel line in grub [15:28] add the line [15:28] hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" [15:28] to your /boot/device.hints file. [15:30] Dont have it. (; Ok. Ill look for it. [15:35] If there was something different than X11. [15:37] kemek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Common%20Boot%20Options for disabling acpi and the like [15:38] previous sections on the same page show how to apply such options [15:39] thx. i was going to just turn it off in BIOS. [; ill check it in 15 minutes. [16:07] hmm. ive found earlier something about editing /boot/grub/menu.lst but i dont have this file [16:08] just create it? [16:08] no [16:08] it changed with new grub [16:12] ill try this temporary way and make some "benchmarks" [16:13] brb [16:21] Hmm. How can i check if ACPI was loaded or not? [16:23] if dmesg | grep ACPI shows something, does it mean ACPI loaded? [; [16:29] im so stupid. If cpu freq is changing then ACPI was on. [; [16:34] YT 40% CPU oO [16:58] crash... [16:59] just moving window gives 100%. [17:00] time to go back to windows. [; [17:00] thx for help === hhlp__ is now known as hhlp_ === hhlp_ is now known as hhlp === CarnophagePL is now known as Carnophage [17:49] waddup fellas and ladies [17:50] :::crickets chirping::: [17:50] ;-) [17:51] * sircrazy doesnt like the idea of ubuntu publicly logging all the chats, isnt that frowned upon in freenode [17:52] are offtopics logged also? [17:53] parted_server hangs during install from liveCD [17:53] suggestions? [17:53] surprisingly no Sysi , but every other ubuntu related one is [17:56] You might try the "alternate" cd, ubuntu . [17:58] When i try to format it using gparted i get "The enclosing driver for the volume is locked" [17:59] unmount it [18:01] its never been mounted on this live system [18:02] Is it NTFS? [18:02] It was Ext4 [18:02] Strange. [18:02] Now i somehow got around to format it [18:03] You could download Parted Magic & try it in no time. It's very powerful. [18:03] I can't do it with gparted? [18:04] Should be able to... :-\ [18:05] I've never had a problem with it. [18:05] ok, now there is no partiton on the drive [18:05] What kind of data is stored on a drive that has no data? [18:05] *no partition [18:06] Just unallocated space, usually. [18:06] You can do with it as you please. [18:07] I see [18:07] Sometimes it's recovery stuff from the PC manufacturer. [18:07] its a brand new intel SSD [18:07] I updated the firmware [18:07] it booted fine with the old OS [18:07] Ah. I've never messed with SSD, really. [18:07] but i wanted to replace ubuntu with xubuntu [18:08] and here i am [18:08] :p [18:08] you'd only need to intall xubuntu-desktop [18:08] I don't need all the gnome stufff [18:08] but i did install xubuntu-desktop [18:09] don't ask me why i decided to do a reinstall [18:09] k [18:10] you could try to create new partition table [18:10] Hmm [18:10] Created a new ext4 partiton [18:10] on the whole drive [18:10] and mounted it like so mount /dev/sdb1 /meda/test [18:10] works perfect [18:10] still get the same error [18:10] with the installer [18:11] ubiquity that is [18:11] Get a dialog with a lot of "????????" and an "ok" button [18:12] This is what gets dumped in the terminal http://pastebin.org/70820 [18:17] You might try one of the Ubuntu-based distros that has the kernel optimized for SSD use. [18:17] Ok [18:17] Like? [18:18] There are several netbook oriented distros. Hold on a sec... [18:18] http://www.internetling.com/2009/02/14/top-5-netbook-linux-distributions/ [18:19] And also: http://www.geteasypeasy.com/ [18:19] I see [18:19] But i cant see why there should be a problem at all with the xubuntu installer. I have had 9.10 Gnome ubuntu installed before, on this very drive. [18:21] Must be an Xfce specific problem. :-\ [18:21] but it's same installer [18:21] my thougts excatly [18:22] and the regular ubuntu installer fails as well [18:22] :S [18:22] Is there anything else I can do to completely erase any trace of anything on a disk [18:22] whats the dd command to fill it with zeroes? [18:23] uhm, this is getting weird. [18:23] Cause I can write to the disk from the command line [18:24] use alternate disc? [18:24] gonna try that when I get home [18:24] ty for help so far [18:26] btw [18:26] are there any 10.04 build avaliable with xubuntu, rather than ubuntu? [18:26] Seems like the parted_server is fixed in 10.04 alpha [18:27] !lucid [18:27] Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [18:28] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ [18:33] I had a problem with the GNU utility "mv" and sent a message to the adress mentioned within the package description. What I received shocked mequite a bit! (http://pastebin.com/d3035ae8a) [18:34] What version of Xubuntu? [18:35] I'm using Xubuntu 8.04 (LTS) right now and the message says that "mv" is at leat 6 yrs old. [18:35] 8.04 is almost three years old [18:35] 2? [18:35] 3 [18:35] august 2004 [18:36] I installed it in june 2008 [18:36] It came out in Apr. 2008 [18:36] no 2008, april [18:36] and this is now 2010. It is three in april, 4 months from now [18:36] Oh u're right nearly 3 yrs. :-) [18:37] and half year dveloping [18:37] Have you filed a launchpad bug on "mv"? [18:37] Nevertheless why is my mv more than 6 years old? Are there backports for these utils? [18:37] I don't know off the top if backports are available. [18:37] I want to discuss the code with the autor first beforehandin in a bug. [18:38] I'm a computer scientist myself. [18:39] have you told about this to canonical? [18:39] Thanks for your help though. Maybe 3 years from the time of distribution of X 8.04 mv wasn't too old and I'm just overreacting. :-) / I had no contact with canonical. [18:40] I suspect it may have been newer than the message indicates in 2007/2008 [18:40] But that's an interesting Idea since the coordinate that, huh? [18:40] yes [18:40] You mean it's eight not six years? [18:41] (2002-09-01) [18:41] no, I mean perhaps they fudged the dates slightly in the file [18:42] We would have synced 8.04 files in about december 2007 [18:42] I see charlie-tca. Whom should I contact at Canonical? [18:42] (Should I go via the official website?) [18:42] OTOH, I show 34 packages with mv in them. Is it possible one of them overwrote the file with an older version? [18:43] I would file a bug for it. I don't know who would be the contact directly [18:44] ooops, I show zero packages containing "mv " [18:45] Ok considering the file named "mv" in /bin (77540 bytes) it is stamped last change 4th Apr. 2008 08:42:37 CEST and last change (sys install date) July 07 2008. [18:46] Hope it's the right one and I'm nut running a rootkit. :-) [18:47] That seems right. The package coreutils in 8.04 was dated 2008-04-04 [18:47] Ah... the debian packet is not named mv but "fileutils" or "gnu-fileutils" [18:47] There also exists "coreutils" and "sh-utils". These 3 contain the major GNU base utils. [18:48] I'm searching for more files named mv in my system... [18:48] right. coreutils in Ubuntu 8.04 was version 6.10 [18:49] all three packages were replaced by coreutils in 2002 [18:49] but it is still possible, I would think, to get an old version in an old package [18:50] hmm... [18:50] I have no other mv installed. So I think my system is correct. [18:51] Will you handle the report, charlie-tca? [18:51] What report? [18:51] To canonical. [18:52] "report" -eq "what ever you plan to do" :-) [18:52] I didn't plan to do anything if your copy is from 2008 [18:52] I will do some research on this, and see if we are using an old text file, maybe? [18:53] ok thanks :-) [18:53] no problem [18:53] Ah the version is 1.10 as far as I remember. [18:54] I found online an older version 1.09 of mv which was buggy. [18:54] :-) [19:48] unquery [19:48] !hi [19:48] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay! [19:50] emma's oldie :) [19:51] My apologies. ;-) [19:59] hi [19:59] :) [21:12] hey, what are the chances of getting xubuntu to run decently on a 233 Mhz / 226 MB RAM machine? [21:13] depends on decent [21:13] need it mainly as a SVN/GIT server [21:13] the ram looks to be too small at that speed to do much [21:13] get lxde [21:14] why not go a server install without the desktop environment them [21:14] it had originally 64 MB, I upgraded ^^ [21:14] pm, I agree with charlie-tca, server or at least Ubuntu minimal and build up from there. [21:14] It will install from the alternate cd, but it will run really slow [21:14] i have just installed ubuntu server but I need to configure a wireless WPA connection and it hurts a lot to configure that ^^ [21:14] yup [21:15] crunchbang or lubuntu / openbox lxde would be better [21:15] The 333MHz cpu I installed on was slower than I could use [21:16] *openbox or lxde [21:16] Windowmaker FTW!!! [21:16] Sounds right. I haven't run either one of those [21:16] lubuntu is just ubuntu with lxde [21:17] i had windows 200 advanced server running and it was fast enough [21:17] Isn't that minimal Ubuntu with lxde, Sysi ? [21:17] charlie-tca: idk, but something like that [21:18] Okay. Some of you know me. I almost never say xubuntu won't work... [21:18] isn't there a nice command-line tool to configure wireless with WPA? [21:18] ;-) [21:18] cnetworkmanager could be [21:18] I don't know, I don't use wireless anymore [21:19] pm, you want to make your machine a wireless router, essentially? [21:20] Maybe get Xubuntu 6.06, configure everything, then remove the desktop. In the older versions, configurations did not disappear with the desktop [21:20] the plan is just to make it a svn / git server, but it doesn't have a wired network interface so I'm trying to get it to work with an old pcmcia wireless card i had lying around. [21:20] ummmmm.....this is a desktop? [21:20] lxde worked well with nm-applet [21:21]