[00:57] <ron_o> egads, this guy rips Xubuntu's heart out in his review. However, it's not *supposed* to be Ubuntu or Kubuntu. It's as small a distro as you can get (this is small footprint) with as many funcionalities as possible..
[00:57] <ron_o> geeze..
[00:57] <ron_o> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xubuntu-9-10.html
[00:58] <ron_o> if we wanted Ubuntu or Kubuntu, wouldn't we go with those two? People are such arses.
[00:58] <knome> !language
[00:58] <ron_o> 'arse' is bad?
[00:59] <knome> well, the overall attitude wasn't the best possible.
[00:59] <ron_o> yah, well. I don't see anything under !attitude  --- dude. :)
[00:59] <ron_o> hehe.
[01:00] <ron_o> the guy doesn't allow you to respoind to him on his site, unfortunately.
[01:00] <knome> http://www.dedoimedo.com/contact_me.html
[01:08] <ron_o> I'm goint to digg it instead..
[01:09] <ron_o> on occasion I write people and most never respond. Did they even read it? You never know.
[01:15] <PredaGR> hello people, I had major problem with audio on Ubuntu and gone to my all nice working Xubuntu, though only difference is that I use 64bit than 32bit one I was using, and while one programs plays audio, the rest go silent, any ideas?
[02:00] <ron_o> I dugg, I commented, and I'm done:
[02:00] <ron_o> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Xubuntu_9_10_Review_Unremarkable
[02:35] <Amako> hi, i just finished installing xubuntu on my Ibook G3 and i'm having a problem with my video.  It seems like the display is divided in to two and both are showing the same.  Can someone help me
[03:00] <Amako> ok here is an update my screen is black and will not show the GUI
[03:46] <ron_o> Amako, hmmm... I don't know much about Apple.
[03:47] <ron_o> are you dual booting?
[03:48] <ron_o> you'll have to find your video card and see if it's supported. For me, I have NVIDIA, which Xubuntu handled well through restricted hardware app.
[04:08] <pdg1> howdy doody... I'm looking for some information on commands. I'm trying to setup some keyboard shortcuts
[04:23] <likemindead> Settings>Keyboard pdg1.
[04:26] <pdg1> cool. and commands?
[04:26] <likemindead> What are you wanting?
[04:27] <pdg1> i want it to bring up the logout menu
[04:28] <pdg1> there must be a list of commands somewhere. but I'm have a hard time finding it
[04:28] <likemindead> http://linux.die.net/man/1/xfce4-session-logout
[04:29] <pdg1> sweet deal :D
[04:29] <likemindead> Or try xfce4-session.
[04:34] <pdg1> wooo
[04:34] <pdg1> it worked :P
[04:34] <pdg1> session-logout
[04:42] <pdg1> likemindead, this linux.die.net site you gave me is pretty awesome.
[04:42] <pdg1> thanks
[04:42] <likemindead> I was just the first thing that popped up with I entered "Xfce logout" at Google. ;-)
[04:43] <pdg1> whatever... :P
[04:44] <pdg1> lol... I guess I should have tried that instead of just xfce keyoard shortcuts
[04:45] <pdg1> I'm assuming you use xubuntu?
[04:45] <likemindead> Yep.
[04:46] <likemindead> I've created a few keyboard shortcuts on here. I use Super+T to open a terminal. Probably my most used.
[04:47] <pdg1> what is super?
[04:47] <pdg1> CTRL shift?
[04:48] <likemindead> "Super" is the "Windows" key...
[04:48] <likemindead> In Linux talk, apparently.
[04:49] <pdg1> aha! I was wondering why no apps ever used it for other keybindings
[04:49] <likemindead> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_(keyboard_button)
[04:51] <Amako> i found a fix for my screen problem but the instructions say to type: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf.  But when i do that it says sodu: kate: command not found.
[04:52] <pdg1> kate is for KDE
[04:53] <pdg1> it's asking you to edit the file xorg.conf so you can replace the command kate for something like nano
[04:53] <Amako> oh ok, sorry i'm still trying to learn about all the commands.  i'm running xubuntu 9.10 karmic koala.
[04:54] <pdg1> ie.....   sudo nano /etc/X/xorg.conf
[04:54] <pdg1> me 3 :D
[04:54] <pdg1> still new to linux?
[04:55] <Amako> oh yea, i been reading tons and i thought i will learn by trying to get my ibook g3 going with xubuntu
[04:55] <pdg1> good choice
[04:56] <pdg1> i had a bit of a twitch there... I try my best to be as tolerant towards apple users as i can
[04:56] <pdg1> lol
[04:57] <Amako> they say suse installs with no problems but i wanted to try to document how i got my ibook running xubuntu so people can have something to fall back on
[04:57] <knome> pdg1, Amako; mousepad is the default gui text editor for xubuntu
[04:57] <Amako> plus i have a desktop running ubuntu and i love it
[04:58] <pdg1> groovy
[05:14] <Amako> is there a good book or a guide to learn how to use linux better
[05:21] <pdg1> amako, not really
[05:22] <pdg1> most of it comes from use, i think
[05:23] <Amako> oh ok well i'm letting you guys know now... i'm sorry i like to ask 20 million questions so i don't have to keep coming back LOL
[05:23] <pdg1> well, that's probably not true. There's lots of stuff on thems internets
[05:23] <pdg1> That's what the support channels and forums and man pages and other things are for
[05:24] <Amako> i did notice one thing, i tried using the search option on the forums and it does not work very good.
[05:25] <pdg1> one thing I learnt about getting help on IRC and forums while i was modding my Xbox is that people are generally helpfull as long as you're willing to make some effort at learning and not getting spoon fed
[05:28] <Amako> yes, i understand.  i found a thread on the ubuntu forums on how to fix my Display but when i did a search for ibook g3 on the forum search tool nothing came up.  The way i found it was doing a Google search for the topic.  Thats the reason i was wondering if there is a secret to searching for things on the ubuntu forums.
[05:32] <pdg1> there probably is... but i don't know it
[05:32] <pdg1> and I doubt anyone else does... that's why it's a secret
[05:33] <Amako> LOL thanks man.  i think i found tons of info on how to get the ibook going.  i have to make a xorg.conf with the correct settings and that should take care of my first problem but thanks so far for the help.
[05:47] <connor_> hello there, i was just wondering how u turn on the advanced desktop effects in xubuntu. In ubuntu, you just right-click the desktop. I've downloaded and installed the compiz config settings manager, but ticking the effects doesnt change anything, can any1 help me?
[07:58] <tb45t> What is the button next to minimize called in Xfce?
[08:20] <Balsaq> how do i delete a partition
[08:20] <Balsaq> in terminal i mean
[08:20] <Balsaq> i tried arklinux and it is corrupt and i want to delete it
[08:21] <_Pete_> with fdisk
[08:22] <Balsaq> so do i .....terminal>sudo fdisk
[08:22] <_Pete_> sudo fdisk /dev/XXX
[08:22] <_Pete_> where XXX is your drive like sda
[08:23] <Balsaq> hmmm ok will try thanks
[08:27] <Balsaq> i have 4 lights in the back of my dell, they are for diagnostics, the one light is yellow which means a bad microprocessor...but i think it is ark linux becasue it let me run a dell disk for a long long time, but when i am in ark it shuts off and i get the yellow light
[08:28] <Balsaq> when i do a function outside of arklinux i have no problem...in arklinux i suddenly have a bad cpu?
[09:17] <Balsaq> ohhoh ainoa -lta minun tietokone on varmasti liata.
[09:18] <Balsaq> so i took out the rdram and put in this one
[09:21] <Balsaq> kas noin i-kirjain olen kiinnijuuttunut avulla tietokone että has ei rdram ja jokin jokin
[09:46] <randhol> Hi. I'm teaching my father to use Ubuntu (xubuntu actually). Problem is that the folder that are created automatically are in English: Download, Pictures etc... while in the filemanager etc... they are written in the local language (Norwegian). I would like that the original folders also are in Norwegian as it confuses my father that the same place has two names. I cannot find out how to set it up without breaking the system. Where is it defined that Pi
[09:46] <randhol> cture folder is Bilder (in norwegian). I would like to rename the Picture folder to Bilder and Documents to Dokumenter etc...
[09:46] <randhol> without breaking things
[09:51] <Sysi> i just renamed them, nothing broked
[09:52] <Sysi> but programs create new folders, if names tha they use don't match
[09:53] <Sysi> but those can be set up by hand
[09:53] <randhol> where I setup this
[09:53] <Sysi> on program itself
[09:54] <randhol> so there is no gconf or setp file I can change
[09:54] <Sysi> no
[09:54] <randhol> I mean thunar got after I switched language to Norwegian
[09:54] <randhol> all bookmarks in Norwegian
[09:54] <randhol> and they point to English named Folders
[09:55] <Sysi> it would have been better to make whole installation in norvegian
[10:11] <randhol> Well I don't want Norwegian
[10:11] <randhol> Easier to do things in English as I don't need to translate all howtos to manage to do changes
[10:12] <randhol> but
[10:12] <randhol> say I had installed in Norwegian
[10:12] <Sysi> hum
[10:12] <randhol> Then the folder would have gotten Norwegian names
[10:13] <randhol> so how then can firefox etc... find the Norwegian folder
[10:13] <randhol> I mean there must be some mechanisme here
[10:13] <randhol> F.ex Videos is Videoklipp
[10:13] <randhol> so if cheese is to use this folder by defualt it needs to know that this is the correct folder
[10:14] <randhol> that is why I'm thinking there myst be some setup file somewhere
[10:14] <Sysi> hmm, i don't know, i just did it as it worked :p
[10:15] <Sysi> i don't know if there's any common setup, because all programs have settings saved in home folder
[10:15] <randhol> arg
[10:15] <Sysi> in hidden folders
[10:15] <randhol> cheese generated a new directory called Videos
[10:18] <randhol> found it!
[10:18] <randhol> ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[11:19] <Fyksen> How do I get a widget like this: http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=337635 - Please PM me if you got an answer :)
[11:44] <slow-motion> hi
[13:07] <Amako> Just wanted to thank everyone for the help to get my ibook running.
[15:01] <kemek> Hi.
[15:01] <Ov3rf10w> hello kemek
[15:02] <kemek> Ive got frustrating problem. Is there anyone who would try to help me?
[15:02] <Sysi> !ask
[15:03] <Ov3rf10w> what problem?
[15:03] <kemek> [;
[15:03] <kemek> Now Im on Xubuntu and i had the same problem with Mandriva.
[15:03] <kemek> Very common problem with high CPU usage of Xorg
[15:04] <kemek> Ive read almost every topic in the Internet and still no idea...
[15:04] <likemindead> What's your hardware?
[15:04] <kemek> Ive got Dell D600
[15:04] <kemek> Radeon Mobility 9000. [;
[15:05] <kemek> Pentium M 1,6; 768 MB RAM
[15:05] <kemek> Its something like that.
[15:05] <kemek> :
[15:05] <likemindead> And Xorg is flipping out on you?
[15:06] <kemek> For example im watching a longer film on Youtube. Exerything is ok...
[15:06] <kemek> Cpu at about 60%.
[15:06] <likemindead> Is there an ATI driver you can install?
[15:06] <kemek> No. Ive gor open 'radeon'
[15:06] <Sysi> kemek: that's matter of flash, it uses lot of cpu
[15:07] <kemek> But wait...
[15:07] <kemek> 60% during plain watching is ok.
[15:07] <likemindead> Yeah, I can barely watch Flash videos on my old Dell C610...
[15:08] <kemek> But suddenly CPU goes 100%, film becomes presentation and computer responses like 486. [;
[15:08] <kemek> And here is interesting thing...
[15:08] <kemek> I kill Firefox (Opera or anything) and Xorg is still at 100% CPU
[15:09] <Sysi> for how long?
[15:09] <kemek> I have to reboot or leave computer for about 5-10 minutes to "refresh".
[15:09] <likemindead> Is there a "restricted" ATI driver you can try?
[15:09] <kemek> Ive read rv250 doesnt have working properiaty driver.
[15:09] <likemindead> (Go to System>Hardware Drivers)
[15:09] <likemindead> Ah...
[15:10] <kemek> Nothing. Only Wifi Broadcom card.
[15:10] <Sysi> if that's 1,6 ghz single core, flash eats it alive
[15:10] <kemek> Its not just a flash that causes it.
[15:10] <kemek> !
[15:10] <Sysi> also exists on other things?
[15:11] <kemek> Sometimes just higher cpu usage for some minutes and the same thing happens.
[15:11] <kemek> Encoding movie for example.
[15:12] <Sysi> yeah, it shouldn't rise cpu load for xorg process very much still
[15:12] <kemek> And sometimes just normal Firefox using.
[15:12] <likemindead> I'd fall back to 8.04, the Long Term Support release. It's a more stable branch. :-\
[15:13] <kemek> One process uses quite a lot of CPU -> 100% usage of Xorg and this process -> killing this process -> 100% Xorg usage
[15:13] <kemek> but i had the same problem in Mandriva
[15:13] <kemek> i thought that xfce would change something
[15:14] <Sysi> it don't change drivers
[15:14] <kemek> i know.
[15:14] <Sysi> xfce isn't available for mandriva?
[15:15] <kemek> yesterday i removed alsa and installed OSS and it decreased CPU usage even in flash movies. but this 100% usage still happens...
[15:15] <kemek> I dont know but i also wanted to try other distro. (;
[15:15] <hal> like what?
[15:17] <kemek> hmm. I mean, i didnt change to Xubuntu just to have a look at xfce, but also try other distribution. (;
[15:17] <hal> sure, you will find something you like. there are plenty out there
[15:18] <kemek> But still this problem? [;
[15:18] <hal> xubuntu has one major advantage, and that easy to use.
[15:18] <kemek> Im so frustrated sometimes...
[15:18] <hal> frustrated at what?
[15:18] <Sysi> have you used xp on that hardware?
[15:18] <hal> yes
[15:18] <Sysi> that should be frustrating
[15:19] <hal> i see
[15:19] <kemek> Once i turned on just Exaile, then radio station and Xorg ate 100%... And reboot! [;
[15:19] <Sysi> exaile actually isn't very lightweight
[15:20] <hal> no, not if you want them to do everything
[15:20] <kemek> Exactly. In last week i used win xp 3 times instead of Xubuntu.
[15:20] <kemek> And exerything is ok
[15:20] <Sysi> it's usable with that amount of memory?
[15:21] <kemek> Yes. It uses more memory but 768 MB is enough.
[15:21] <Sysi> woah
[15:22] <kemek> I encoded four 50minute videos in a row in Win Xp.
[15:22] <kemek> And it didnt crash.
[15:23] <kemek> So noone with a solution or same problem? [;
[15:23] <kemek> Maybe ill try 8.04
[15:23] <kemek> but its not a solution.
[15:23] <hal> i have never had a crash..yet
[15:24] <kemek> in dual core CPU it wouldnt be so annoying, but in this one its unusable... Just save session and reboot.
[15:25] <kemek> Hmm.
[15:25] <hal> p4 here and i have 2 p3's
[15:25] <kemek> Not mobile.
[15:25] <Sysi> my celeron machine with intel gpu crashed all the time
[15:26] <hal> havent tried celeron's
[15:26] <Sysi> with centos works, just need to get correct resolution
[15:26] <kemek> Ive read somewhere that turning off ACPI worked for some people. I know its trange, but is there a short command to do it?
[15:26] <Sysi> that's laptop
[15:27] <hal> not that i know of kemek
[15:27] <kemek> I know, but i would know if thats it.
[15:27] <hal> google it
[15:28] <Sysi> i think you need to put it at the end of kernel line in grub
[15:28] <kemek> add the line
[15:28] <kemek> hint.acpi.0.disabled="1"
[15:28] <kemek> to your /boot/device.hints file.
[15:30] <kemek> Dont have it. (; Ok. Ill look for it.
[15:35] <kemek> If there was something different than X11.
[15:37] <jcfp> kemek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Common%20Boot%20Options for disabling acpi and the like
[15:38] <jcfp> previous sections on the same page show how to apply such options
[15:39] <kemek> thx. i was going to just turn it off in BIOS. [; ill check it in 15 minutes.
[16:07] <kemek> hmm. ive found earlier something about editing /boot/grub/menu.lst but i dont have this file
[16:08] <kemek> just create it?
[16:08] <Sysi> no
[16:08] <Sysi> it changed with new grub
[16:12] <kemek> ill try this temporary way and make some "benchmarks"
[16:13] <kemek> brb
[16:21] <kemek> Hmm. How can i check if ACPI was loaded or not?
[16:23] <kemek> if dmesg | grep ACPI shows something, does it mean ACPI loaded? [;
[16:29] <kemek> im so stupid. If cpu freq is changing then ACPI was on. [;
[16:34] <kemek> YT 40% CPU oO
[16:58] <kemek> crash...
[16:59] <kemek> just moving window gives 100%.
[17:00] <kemek> time to go back to windows. [;
[17:00] <kemek> thx for help
[17:49] <sircrazy> waddup fellas and ladies
[17:50] <likemindead> :::crickets chirping:::
[17:50] <likemindead> ;-)
[17:51]  * sircrazy doesnt like the idea of ubuntu publicly logging all the chats, isnt that frowned upon in freenode
[17:52] <Sysi> are offtopics logged also?
[17:53] <ubuntu> parted_server hangs during install from liveCD
[17:53] <ubuntu> suggestions?
[17:53] <sircrazy> surprisingly no Sysi , but every other ubuntu related one is
[17:56] <likemindead> You might try the "alternate" cd, ubuntu .
[17:58] <ubuntu> When i try to format it using gparted i get "The enclosing driver for the volume is locked"
[17:59] <Sysi> unmount it
[18:01] <ubuntu> its never been mounted on this live system
[18:02] <likemindead> Is it NTFS?
[18:02] <ubuntu> It was Ext4
[18:02] <likemindead> Strange.
[18:02] <ubuntu> Now i somehow got around to format it
[18:03] <likemindead> You could download Parted Magic & try it in no time. It's very powerful.
[18:03] <ubuntu> I can't do it with gparted?
[18:04] <likemindead> Should be able to... :-\
[18:05] <likemindead> I've never had a problem with it.
[18:05] <ubuntu> ok, now there is no partiton on the drive
[18:05] <ubuntu> What kind of data is stored on a drive that has no data?
[18:05] <ubuntu> *no partition
[18:06] <likemindead> Just unallocated space, usually.
[18:06] <likemindead> You can do with it as you please.
[18:07] <ubuntu> I see
[18:07] <likemindead> Sometimes it's recovery stuff from the PC manufacturer.
[18:07] <ubuntu> its a brand new intel SSD
[18:07] <ubuntu> I updated the firmware
[18:07] <ubuntu> it booted fine with the old OS
[18:07] <likemindead> Ah. I've never messed with SSD, really.
[18:07] <ubuntu> but i wanted to replace ubuntu with xubuntu
[18:08] <ubuntu> and here i am
[18:08] <ubuntu> :p
[18:08] <Sysi> you'd only need to intall xubuntu-desktop
[18:08] <ubuntu> I don't need all the gnome stufff
[18:08] <ubuntu> but i did install xubuntu-desktop
[18:09] <ubuntu> don't ask me why i decided to do a reinstall
[18:09] <Sysi> k
[18:10] <Sysi> you could try to create new partition table
[18:10] <ubuntu> Hmm
[18:10] <ubuntu> Created a new ext4 partiton
[18:10] <ubuntu> on the whole drive
[18:10] <ubuntu> and mounted it like so mount /dev/sdb1 /meda/test
[18:10] <ubuntu> works perfect
[18:10] <ubuntu> still get the same error
[18:10] <ubuntu> with the installer
[18:11] <ubuntu> ubiquity that is
[18:11] <ubuntu> Get a dialog with a lot of "????????" and an "ok" button
[18:12] <ubuntu> This is what gets dumped in the terminal http://pastebin.org/70820
[18:17] <likemindead> You might try one of the Ubuntu-based distros that has the kernel optimized for SSD use.
[18:17] <ubuntu> Ok
[18:17] <ubuntu> Like?
[18:18] <likemindead> There are several netbook oriented distros. Hold on a sec...
[18:18] <likemindead> http://www.internetling.com/2009/02/14/top-5-netbook-linux-distributions/
[18:19] <likemindead> And also: http://www.geteasypeasy.com/
[18:19] <ubuntu> I see
[18:19] <ubuntu> But i cant see why there should be a problem at all with the xubuntu installer. I have had 9.10 Gnome ubuntu installed before, on this very drive.
[18:21] <likemindead> Must be an Xfce specific problem. :-\
[18:21] <Sysi> but it's same installer
[18:21] <ubuntu> my thougts excatly
[18:22] <ubuntu> and the regular ubuntu installer fails as well
[18:22] <ubuntu> :S
[18:22] <ubuntu> Is there anything else I can do to completely erase any trace of anything on a disk
[18:22] <ubuntu> whats the dd command to fill it with zeroes?
[18:23] <ubuntu> uhm, this is getting weird.
[18:23] <ubuntu> Cause I can write to the disk from the command line
[18:24] <Sysi> use alternate disc?
[18:24] <ubuntu> gonna try that when I get home
[18:24] <ubuntu> ty for help so far
[18:26] <ubuntu> btw
[18:26] <ubuntu> are there any 10.04 build avaliable with xubuntu, rather than ubuntu?
[18:26] <ubuntu> Seems like the parted_server is fixed in 10.04 alpha
[18:27] <likemindead> !lucid
[18:28] <likemindead> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[18:33] <Aquina> I had a problem with the GNU utility "mv" and sent a message to the adress mentioned within the package description. What I received shocked mequite a bit! (http://pastebin.com/d3035ae8a)
[18:34] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu?
[18:35] <Aquina> I'm using Xubuntu 8.04 (LTS) right now and the message says that "mv" is at leat 6 yrs old.
[18:35] <charlie-tca> 8.04 is almost three years old
[18:35] <Aquina> 2?
[18:35] <charlie-tca> 3
[18:35] <charlie-tca> august 2004
[18:36] <Aquina> I installed it in june 2008
[18:36] <Aquina> It came out in Apr. 2008
[18:36] <charlie-tca> no 2008, april
[18:36] <charlie-tca> and this is now 2010. It is three in april, 4 months from now
[18:36] <Aquina> Oh u're right nearly 3 yrs. :-)
[18:37] <Sysi> and half year dveloping
[18:37] <charlie-tca> Have you filed a launchpad bug on "mv"?
[18:37] <Aquina> Nevertheless why is my mv more than 6 years old? Are there backports for these utils?
[18:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know  off the top if backports are available.
[18:37] <Aquina> I want to discuss the code with the autor first beforehandin in a bug.
[18:38] <Aquina> I'm a computer scientist myself.
[18:39] <Sysi> have you told about this to canonical?
[18:39] <Aquina> Thanks for your help though. Maybe 3 years from the time of distribution of X 8.04 mv wasn't too old and I'm just overreacting. :-) / I had no contact with canonical.
[18:40] <charlie-tca> I suspect it may have been newer than the message indicates in 2007/2008
[18:40] <Aquina> But that's an interesting Idea since the coordinate that, huh?
[18:40] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:40] <Aquina> You mean it's eight not six years?
[18:41] <Aquina> (2002-09-01)
[18:41] <charlie-tca> no, I mean perhaps they fudged the dates slightly in the file
[18:42] <charlie-tca> We would have synced 8.04 files in about december 2007
[18:42] <Aquina> I see charlie-tca. Whom should I contact at Canonical?
[18:42] <Aquina> (Should I go via the official website?)
[18:42] <charlie-tca> OTOH, I show 34 packages with mv in them. Is it possible one of them overwrote the file with an older version?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> I would file a bug for it. I don't know who would be the contact directly
[18:44] <charlie-tca> ooops, I show zero packages containing "mv "
[18:45] <Aquina> Ok considering the file named "mv" in /bin (77540 bytes) it is stamped last change 4th Apr. 2008 08:42:37 CEST and last change (sys install date) July 07 2008.
[18:46] <Aquina> Hope it's the right one and I'm nut running a rootkit. :-)
[18:47] <charlie-tca> That seems right. The package coreutils in 8.04 was dated 2008-04-04
[18:47] <Aquina> Ah... the debian packet is not named mv but "fileutils" or "gnu-fileutils"
[18:47] <Aquina> There also exists "coreutils" and "sh-utils". These 3 contain the major GNU base utils.
[18:48] <Aquina> I'm searching for more files named mv in my system...
[18:48] <charlie-tca> right. coreutils in Ubuntu 8.04 was version 6.10
[18:49] <charlie-tca> all three packages were replaced by coreutils in 2002
[18:49] <charlie-tca> but it is still possible, I would think, to get an old version in an old package
[18:50] <Aquina> hmm...
[18:50] <Aquina> I have no other mv installed. So I think my system is correct.
[18:51] <Aquina> Will you handle the report, charlie-tca?
[18:51] <charlie-tca> What report?
[18:51] <Aquina> To canonical.
[18:52] <Aquina> "report" -eq "what ever you plan to do" :-)
[18:52] <charlie-tca> I didn't plan to do anything if your copy is from 2008
[18:52] <charlie-tca> I will do some research on this, and see if we are using an old text file, maybe?
[18:53] <Aquina> ok thanks :-)
[18:53] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:53] <Aquina> Ah the version is 1.10 as far as I remember.
[18:54] <Aquina> I found online an older version 1.09 of mv which was buggy.
[18:54] <Aquina> :-)
[19:48] <emma> unquery
[19:48] <likemindead> !hi
[19:50] <Sysi> emma's oldie :)
[19:51] <likemindead> My apologies. ;-)
[19:59] <emma> hi
[19:59] <emma> :)
[21:12] <pm> hey, what are the chances of getting xubuntu to run decently on a 233 Mhz / 226 MB RAM machine?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> depends on decent
[21:13] <pm> need it mainly as a SVN/GIT server
[21:13] <charlie-tca> the ram looks to be too small at that speed to do much
[21:13] <Sysi> get lxde
[21:14] <charlie-tca> why not go a server install without the desktop environment them
[21:14] <pm> it had originally 64 MB, I upgraded ^^
[21:14] <Pres-Gas> pm, I agree with charlie-tca, server or at least Ubuntu minimal and build up from there.
[21:14] <charlie-tca> It will install from the alternate cd, but it will run really slow
[21:14] <pm> i have just installed ubuntu server but I need to configure a wireless WPA connection and it hurts a lot to configure that ^^
[21:14] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:15] <Sysi> crunchbang or lubuntu / openbox lxde would be better
[21:15] <charlie-tca> The 333MHz cpu I installed on was slower than I could use
[21:16] <Sysi> *openbox or lxde
[21:16] <Pres-Gas> Windowmaker FTW!!!
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Sounds right. I haven't run either one of those
[21:16] <Sysi> lubuntu is just ubuntu with lxde
[21:17] <pm> i had windows 200 advanced server running and it was fast enough
[21:17] <charlie-tca> Isn't that minimal Ubuntu with lxde, Sysi ?
[21:17] <Sysi> charlie-tca: idk, but something like that
[21:18] <charlie-tca> Okay. Some of you know me. I almost never say xubuntu won't work...
[21:18] <pm> isn't there a nice command-line tool to configure wireless with WPA?
[21:18] <pm> ;-)
[21:18] <Sysi> cnetworkmanager could be
[21:18] <charlie-tca> I don't know, I don't use wireless anymore
[21:19] <Pres-Gas> pm, you want to make your machine a wireless router, essentially?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Maybe get Xubuntu 6.06, configure everything, then remove the desktop. In the older versions, configurations did not disappear with the desktop
[21:20] <pm> the plan is just to make it a svn / git server, but it doesn't have a wired network interface so I'm trying to get it to work with an old pcmcia wireless card i had lying around.
[21:20] <Pres-Gas> ummmmm.....this is a desktop?
[21:20] <Sysi> lxde worked well with nm-applet
[21:21] <pm> it's an old thinkpad 770, to be precise.
[21:23] <charlie-tca> hmmm, good luck
[21:25] <Pres-Gas> pm, I have some links for you to read over....
[21:25] <Pres-Gas> http://code.google.com/p/network-manager-cli/
[21:26] <Pres-Gas> http://vidner.net/martin/software/cnetworkmanager/
[21:26] <Pres-Gas> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetworkManager
[21:26] <Pres-Gas> Dive into that and see where you stand then, pm
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Aquina: my new install of 8.04 gives me the correct bug reporting address:
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Report bugs to <bug-coreutils@gnu.org>
[22:09] <pm> Pres-Gas: thanks! will look into that.
[23:55] <kpomeroy> I'm having difficulties with the add/remove applications in Karmic, I click on it and nothing happens. Anyone run into this issue?