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Phelashiohi ogra01:54
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alkisgEdubuntu now has HAL on the DVD, is it also a target for us not to have HAL in Lucid?12:43
ograwhat for would you use it ?12:44
alkisgogra: hi - happy new year. I don't want to use it - I'm just saying that maybe we should be looking at the seeds to see what program pulls is in the DVD, so that maybe we remove or update that program...12:46
alkisg*pulls it12:46
ograwell, indeed12:46
ograhappy new year as well :)12:46
alkisgogra: do you know if kubuntu lucid will ship without hal?12:48
ograyes, it should12:48
ograxorg doesnt use hal anymore12:48
ograxinput was the only thing that kept it on the CD to my knowledge12:48
alkisgOK, then we'd better look at the edubuntu seeds as well.12:50
ograyup12:51
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sbalneavMorning all14:43
sbalneavI've got this email, someone named dhillon-v10 would like to join the bugsquad14:44
highvolt1gemorning sbalneav15:26
sbalneavhighvolt1ge: hey there15:30
sbalneavso, what's the process for adding someone to bugsquad?  Do we just do it, or do we have to vote on it?15:31
highvolt1gesbalneav: just do it15:46
* ogra always just added people unless it was for the -members team15:47
=== highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage
highvoltageright, atm the only ones we have to vote for is -members, and then when the developers group is set up for uploads in the archive re-org we'll vote for those members as well15:48
highvoltagebut for the other groups it doesn't do any harm adding random people.15:49
sbalneavok, I'll add him then.15:52
sbalneavIf it's alright with everyone, I'll sort of "take ownership" of managing the edubuntu-bugsquad (approving members, etc.)15:55
ograoh15:57
HedgeMageHi, all15:57
ograi'm still admin there15:57
* ogra fixes that15:57
HedgeMagehighvoltage: any luck so far getting set up to grab the edubuntu Drupal stuff?15:58
alkisgstgraber: I'd like to include some patches to iTalc, like e.g. the reboot/shutdown one (LP #367960), would it be appropriate if I uploaded them to https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa ? (so that we start using that ppa, like it was said on the list some time ago...)16:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 367960 in italc ""power down" request fails on 9.04; logout instead" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36796016:07
highvoltageHedgeMage: not that I've tried that hard yet, but no. I'll get on it now16:07
highvoltageHedgeMage: I'm not sure how other people would feel about it, but I quite like a textured look like the first image on http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/6-nice-xsplash-themes-for-ubuntu-karmic.html16:08
HedgeMagehighvoltage: I do think the texture is pretty, I'm just not sure how we'd make it work with a very light or predominantly light backgrounded theme.16:16
HedgeMagebrb dogwalk16:16
alkisgUgh that page loads slllloooowly on ltsp clients... :(16:18
highvoltageHedgeMage: I'll have those tarballs for you ready in a few mins16:18
sbalneavalkisg: that page is loading sloooowly on a full workstation for me :)16:19
alkisgAh, ok then :)16:19
HedgeMagehighvoltage: awesome -- I'll see if I can mess with them in any downtime I have today.16:19
sbalneavI think the 50,000 social networking icons on the side kills it.16:20
highvoltagesbalneav: ok, I promise we'll keep it on 49999 or lower16:27
* sbalneav resists from making an "iiiitts oooover 9000!!!!!" joke16:29
HedgeMagelol16:37
highvoltagesbalneav: heh, yes not the completely right place for that16:40
highvoltageHedgeMage: busy uploading to somewhere you can get it, it's ~95MB and my internet connection only has 512kbps up, so it will take a few minutes, I'll ping you when it's done16:42
HedgeMagehighvoltage: np, I'm in no rush16:44
HedgeMageWow, that's funny...I hacked up a little Drupal module last night to get identi.ca group stuff into activitystream (which previously supported users but not groups), and mentioned it on identi.ca -- it isn't even on drupal.org yet and apparently three people are using it.16:55
highvoltageHedgeMage: awesome, I'd love seeing that on the edubuntu site16:58
HedgeMagehighvoltage: np!17:04
sbalneavWhat's the apt or dpkg magic again that shows what packages DEPEND on a package?17:28
sbalneavi.e. I'd like to find which packages depend on libssh2-117:28
sbalneavi.e. to find out who's using it.17:28
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dgroosHi All21:05
dgroosI hope that the many who had holidays recently...21:06
dgrooshad a great one.21:06
dgroosI want to do a fresh Karmic Edubuntu install.  Is there a way to install it from a CD?  My server doesn't do DVD's, I don't think...21:08
dgroosDo I just install Ubuntu Server and then click a bunch of add ons?21:09
sbalneavdgroos: usb dvd drive? :)21:10
dgroosThe server doesn't boot from USB, I tried that a while back.21:11
dgroosat least with a usb flash drive... same diff?21:11
alkisgdgroos: you can either boot from a cd and "chainload" to dvd, or you can try a script I made just for this purpose21:12
dgroosPS congrats on the new flashy membership!21:12
alkisgIf you have a second pc handy nearby, you boot this pc with the edubuntu dvd, and the script automatically shares it on the network for the server to boot from it21:12
dgroosalkisg: I should have guessed you had a script for just such a situation :D21:13
dgroosand congrats to you as well!21:13
alkisgdgroos: here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#line-7521:13
alkisgYou just run it, and you must have a dhcp server nearby (e.g. a router) - nothing else should be needed...21:14
sbalneavperfect.21:15
dgroosSo, can I connect both the new-to-be-server and the PC-with-the-dvd-in-it-and-the-script-running on the same network that is running my thin clients?21:15
alkisgdgroos: hmmm no, better not, because then you'll have 2 boot servers21:17
alkisgE.g. then the thin clients might start with the edubuntu live cd, or the server might start as a thin client :D21:18
alkisgBut if you can temporarily remove the filename directive  from dhcpd.conf, then it'll surely work21:18
dgroosTo do this I would open dhcpd.conf and temporarily remove which?21:19
alkisg#    if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {21:20
alkisg#        filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";21:20
alkisg#    } else {21:20
alkisg#        filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";21:20
alkisg#    }21:20
alkisgi.e. put # in front of those, and run: sudo service dhcp3-server force-reload21:20
dgroosWill do.21:21
alkisgdgroos: but if you don't have anyone working on the thin clients ATM, you can also try it without modifying anything - it might work21:21
alkisg(i'm not sure if proxydhcp takes precedence over plain dhcp for the filename part)21:21
dgroosalkisg: I'm looking over the above reference page and see the section called, "Automation script".  So... can I pretty much ignore the rest of the page (quite a few parts I'm not sure what they mean)?21:32
alkisgdgroos: right, ignore all of the rest of the page :)21:32
dgroos:D!21:32
dgroosThanks, I think I can do this then!  Thanks for sharing your creations on the wiki and here on the irc!21:33
dgroosI'll be getting here pretty early tomorrow morning... I'll let you know how it goes.21:34
alkisgNice, I hope it helps21:34
sbalneavalkisg: So, excited?21:46
alkisgAbout the libpam-ssh? Sure!21:46
alkisgNot for the ltsp part - the "user observed" functionality will remain the same there21:47
sbalneavNo, it'll improve21:47
sbalneavno more crappy password handling21:47
alkisgBut for non-ltsp labs, it'll make user administration as effortless as it is in ltsp labs...21:47
sbalneavi.e. if you type the password wrong, we can actually ASK for it again :)21:48
alkisgThat isn't observed by the user - except for the case when he types his password wrong...21:48
alkisgMuch cleaner, but for the teacher/sysadmin it isn't really important21:48
alkisgWhile simplifying user administration in non-ltsp labs, is very important ;)21:49
sbalneavOh, well, all the really deep magic never makes an impact on the end user.21:50
sbalneavthe whole goal of ltsp was to make it indistinguishable from a full fledged desktop as much as possible :)21:50
alkisgIt'll make it also easier for fat clients... :)21:51
sbalneavyep21:52
highvoltagefp22:01
sbalneavFrontPage?22:02
alkisghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP22:03
highvoltageFirst post :)22:05
highvoltageit was meant for another channel22:05
highvoltagein one of my local channels we have a meme to see who can get first post of every day22:05
sbalneavAh22:13
sbalneavI believe it's22:13
sbalneav"FRIST POST!!!!!11111oneone"22:14
sbalneav:)22:14
highvoltageyeah if there's enough time to type it out22:14
* alkisg is in the same timezone with highvoltage :)22:14
highvoltageif there is I usually include a cos(0) somewhere in there to22:14
highvoltage*too22:14

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