[01:54] <Phelashio> hi ogra
[12:43] <alkisg> Edubuntu now has HAL on the DVD, is it also a target for us not to have HAL in Lucid?
[12:44] <ogra> what for would you use it ?
[12:46] <alkisg> ogra: hi - happy new year. I don't want to use it - I'm just saying that maybe we should be looking at the seeds to see what program pulls is in the DVD, so that maybe we remove or update that program...
[12:46] <alkisg> *pulls it
[12:46] <ogra> well, indeed
[12:46] <ogra> happy new year as well :)
[12:48] <alkisg> ogra: do you know if kubuntu lucid will ship without hal?
[12:48] <ogra> yes, it should
[12:48] <ogra> xorg doesnt use hal anymore
[12:48] <ogra> xinput was the only thing that kept it on the CD to my knowledge
[12:50] <alkisg> OK, then we'd better look at the edubuntu seeds as well.
[12:51] <ogra> yup
[14:43] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:44] <sbalneav> I've got this email, someone named dhillon-v10 would like to join the bugsquad
[15:26] <highvolt1ge> morning sbalneav
[15:30] <sbalneav> highvolt1ge: hey there
[15:31] <sbalneav> so, what's the process for adding someone to bugsquad?  Do we just do it, or do we have to vote on it?
[15:46] <highvolt1ge> sbalneav: just do it
[15:47]  * ogra always just added people unless it was for the -members team
[15:48] <highvoltage> right, atm the only ones we have to vote for is -members, and then when the developers group is set up for uploads in the archive re-org we'll vote for those members as well
[15:49] <highvoltage> but for the other groups it doesn't do any harm adding random people.
[15:52] <sbalneav> ok, I'll add him then.
[15:55] <sbalneav> If it's alright with everyone, I'll sort of "take ownership" of managing the edubuntu-bugsquad (approving members, etc.)
[15:57] <ogra> oh
[15:57] <HedgeMage> Hi, all
[15:57] <ogra> i'm still admin there
[15:57]  * ogra fixes that
[15:58] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: any luck so far getting set up to grab the edubuntu Drupal stuff?
[16:07] <alkisg> stgraber: I'd like to include some patches to iTalc, like e.g. the reboot/shutdown one (LP #367960), would it be appropriate if I uploaded them to https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-dev/+archive/ppa ? (so that we start using that ppa, like it was said on the list some time ago...)
[16:07] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: not that I've tried that hard yet, but no. I'll get on it now
[16:08] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: I'm not sure how other people would feel about it, but I quite like a textured look like the first image on http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/6-nice-xsplash-themes-for-ubuntu-karmic.html
[16:16] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I do think the texture is pretty, I'm just not sure how we'd make it work with a very light or predominantly light backgrounded theme.
[16:16] <HedgeMage> brb dogwalk
[16:18] <alkisg> Ugh that page loads slllloooowly on ltsp clients... :(
[16:18] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: I'll have those tarballs for you ready in a few mins
[16:19] <sbalneav> alkisg: that page is loading sloooowly on a full workstation for me :)
[16:19] <alkisg> Ah, ok then :)
[16:19] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: awesome -- I'll see if I can mess with them in any downtime I have today.
[16:20] <sbalneav> I think the 50,000 social networking icons on the side kills it.
[16:27] <highvoltage> sbalneav: ok, I promise we'll keep it on 49999 or lower
[16:29]  * sbalneav resists from making an "iiiitts oooover 9000!!!!!" joke
[16:37] <HedgeMage> lol
[16:40] <highvoltage> sbalneav: heh, yes not the completely right place for that
[16:42] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: busy uploading to somewhere you can get it, it's ~95MB and my internet connection only has 512kbps up, so it will take a few minutes, I'll ping you when it's done
[16:44] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: np, I'm in no rush
[16:55] <HedgeMage> Wow, that's funny...I hacked up a little Drupal module last night to get identi.ca group stuff into activitystream (which previously supported users but not groups), and mentioned it on identi.ca -- it isn't even on drupal.org yet and apparently three people are using it.
[16:58] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: awesome, I'd love seeing that on the edubuntu site
[17:04] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: np!
[17:28] <sbalneav> What's the apt or dpkg magic again that shows what packages DEPEND on a package?
[17:28] <sbalneav> i.e. I'd like to find which packages depend on libssh2-1
[17:28] <sbalneav> i.e. to find out who's using it.
[21:05] <dgroos> Hi All
[21:06] <dgroos> I hope that the many who had holidays recently...
[21:06] <dgroos> had a great one.
[21:08] <dgroos> I want to do a fresh Karmic Edubuntu install.  Is there a way to install it from a CD?  My server doesn't do DVD's, I don't think...
[21:09] <dgroos> Do I just install Ubuntu Server and then click a bunch of add ons?
[21:10] <sbalneav> dgroos: usb dvd drive? :)
[21:11] <dgroos> The server doesn't boot from USB, I tried that a while back.
[21:11] <dgroos> at least with a usb flash drive... same diff?
[21:12] <alkisg> dgroos: you can either boot from a cd and "chainload" to dvd, or you can try a script I made just for this purpose
[21:12] <dgroos> PS congrats on the new flashy membership!
[21:12] <alkisg> If you have a second pc handy nearby, you boot this pc with the edubuntu dvd, and the script automatically shares it on the network for the server to boot from it
[21:13] <dgroos> alkisg: I should have guessed you had a script for just such a situation :D
[21:13] <dgroos> and congrats to you as well!
[21:13] <alkisg> dgroos: here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#line-75
[21:14] <alkisg> You just run it, and you must have a dhcp server nearby (e.g. a router) - nothing else should be needed...
[21:15] <sbalneav> perfect.
[21:15] <dgroos> So, can I connect both the new-to-be-server and the PC-with-the-dvd-in-it-and-the-script-running on the same network that is running my thin clients?
[21:17] <alkisg> dgroos: hmmm no, better not, because then you'll have 2 boot servers
[21:18] <alkisg> E.g. then the thin clients might start with the edubuntu live cd, or the server might start as a thin client :D
[21:18] <alkisg> But if you can temporarily remove the filename directive  from dhcpd.conf, then it'll surely work
[21:19] <dgroos> To do this I would open dhcpd.conf and temporarily remove which?
[21:20] <alkisg> #    if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
[21:20] <alkisg> #        filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
[21:20] <alkisg> #    } else {
[21:20] <alkisg> #        filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
[21:20] <alkisg> #    }
[21:20] <alkisg> i.e. put # in front of those, and run: sudo service dhcp3-server force-reload
[21:21] <dgroos> Will do.
[21:21] <alkisg> dgroos: but if you don't have anyone working on the thin clients ATM, you can also try it without modifying anything - it might work
[21:21] <alkisg> (i'm not sure if proxydhcp takes precedence over plain dhcp for the filename part)
[21:32] <dgroos> alkisg: I'm looking over the above reference page and see the section called, "Automation script".  So... can I pretty much ignore the rest of the page (quite a few parts I'm not sure what they mean)?
[21:32] <alkisg> dgroos: right, ignore all of the rest of the page :)
[21:32] <dgroos> :D!
[21:33] <dgroos> Thanks, I think I can do this then!  Thanks for sharing your creations on the wiki and here on the irc!
[21:34] <dgroos> I'll be getting here pretty early tomorrow morning... I'll let you know how it goes.
[21:34] <alkisg> Nice, I hope it helps
[21:46] <sbalneav> alkisg: So, excited?
[21:46] <alkisg> About the libpam-ssh? Sure!
[21:47] <alkisg> Not for the ltsp part - the "user observed" functionality will remain the same there
[21:47] <sbalneav> No, it'll improve
[21:47] <sbalneav> no more crappy password handling
[21:47] <alkisg> But for non-ltsp labs, it'll make user administration as effortless as it is in ltsp labs...
[21:48] <sbalneav> i.e. if you type the password wrong, we can actually ASK for it again :)
[21:48] <alkisg> That isn't observed by the user - except for the case when he types his password wrong...
[21:48] <alkisg> Much cleaner, but for the teacher/sysadmin it isn't really important
[21:49] <alkisg> While simplifying user administration in non-ltsp labs, is very important ;)
[21:50] <sbalneav> Oh, well, all the really deep magic never makes an impact on the end user.
[21:50] <sbalneav> the whole goal of ltsp was to make it indistinguishable from a full fledged desktop as much as possible :)
[21:51] <alkisg> It'll make it also easier for fat clients... :)
[21:52] <sbalneav> yep
[22:01] <highvoltage> fp
[22:02] <sbalneav> FrontPage?
[22:03] <alkisg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP
[22:05] <highvoltage> First post :)
[22:05] <highvoltage> it was meant for another channel
[22:05] <highvoltage> in one of my local channels we have a meme to see who can get first post of every day
[22:13] <sbalneav> Ah
[22:13] <sbalneav> I believe it's
[22:14] <sbalneav> "FRIST POST!!!!!11111oneone"
[22:14] <sbalneav> :)
[22:14] <highvoltage> yeah if there's enough time to type it out
[22:14]  * alkisg is in the same timezone with highvoltage :)
[22:14] <highvoltage> if there is I usually include a cos(0) somewhere in there to
[22:14] <highvoltage> *too