[01:39] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: You have something else you need help on?
[01:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yeah, I need to upload l10n for 4.3.4 to karmick-backports.
[01:40] <ScottK> karmick/karmic
[01:40] <ScottK> I've decided to wait and see if Riddell has a magic script though.
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if Riddell uses batl10n for that....
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> batl10n-upload and batl10n
[01:41] <ScottK> If you can upload l10n and have a decent way to script landing it in karmic-backports, that would be awesome.
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> I can upload every single language pack, but not a single kde-l10n-* package
[01:46] <ScottK> Lovely.
[01:47] <ScottK> Either Riddell has some magic or I do it tomorrow night.
[02:47] <ryanakca> shtylman, Riddell: http://drupal.ryanak.ca/ has the screenshot module removed.
[02:48] <shtylman> what happened to the hotness image you showed me the other day?
[02:48] <shtylman> ryanakca: ^
[02:48] <ryanakca> shtylman: That's for Drupal 6. The above theme is for our current 5.13 install.
[02:48] <shtylman> ahhh
[02:49] <shtylman> I would make the top banner go more flush with the edges
[02:55] <ryanakca> shtylman: OK
[03:00] <ScottK> Nightrose or Mamarok: Should I move amarok - 2:2.2.1-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 to karmic-backports (I'm moving KDE 4.3.4)?
[03:01] <ryanakca> shtylman: Like so?
[03:01]  * ryanakca liked it better before
[03:03] <shtylman> yea... I think that gives it a bit more separation
[03:03] <shtylman> everything just seems to bleed together
[03:03] <shtylman> even with the text below
[03:03] <shtylman> ryanakca: its your final call... but I would look at that... as well as how to distinguish the text below
[03:03] <shtylman> and maybe make that giant Kubuntu is free... etc a bit smaller
[03:04] <shtylman> I dunno what it is... but the text just looks slapped on there
[03:14] <ryanakca> shtylman: OK
[03:16] <ryanakca> shtylman: Feel free to play around with it, lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-theme-v2
[03:19] <shtylman> k
[03:19]  * ryanakca => bed, school again tomorrow.
[03:19] <ryanakca> And I shrank the What Is Kubuntu text
[03:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Nevermind.  Decided just to do the translations by hand ....
[04:27] <mingmingtoo> Hi!  O/
[04:28] <mingmingtoo> It's the guy no one qanat
[04:28] <mingmingtoo> Wants*
[04:32] <ScottK> mingmingtoo: Assuming you're who I think you are, that's not true.
[04:34] <mingmingtoo> Sure seems one of thexouncil does...
[04:34] <mingmingtoo> Eh
[04:35] <mingmingtoo> What does she even do for kubuntu other than yellif at peoples designs?
[04:36] <mingmingtoo> But I still g
[04:41] <nixternal> mingmingtoo: dude, I have been supporting you man and backing you up, trying to put out fires, but I will stop doing so if you continue attacking people...I understand your conditions, but you aren't making it any easier on yourself...and you are also attacking a friend of mine, how not only does a lot for Kubuntu, but she also does a ton for KDE
[04:41] <nixternal> fuck
[04:41] <nixternal> he couldn't wait 2 more seconds?
[04:42] <jjesse> what is wrong w/ his head?
[04:42] <jjesse> srlsy
[04:42] <ScottK> Probably my fault (PM)
[04:43] <nixternal> he supposedly has medical issues right now, but I am finding it hard to believe those conditions seeing as vendictive as he has been
[04:43] <jjesse> seems like he's gone coco for coco puffs
[04:43] <nixternal> it is seriously starting to really irk me, and I highly doubt I can continue supporting him with these actions
[04:43] <nixternal> mmm cocoa puffs
[04:43] <jjesse> i ttried to reach out to him too but no response
[04:43] <jjesse> oh well
[04:44]  * jjesse beds
[04:44] <nixternal> g'nite
[04:44] <ScottK> nixternal: I totally believe this is from his medical issue
[04:44] <ScottK> Good night.
[04:44] <jjesse> night ScottK and nixternal
[04:44] <nixternal> if his medical issue has been upgraded to batshit insane, OK, I will agree
[04:44] <nixternal> but depression I thought was the issue...never have I lashed out at people during my depression times
[04:45] <ScottK> I think the lashing out is the manic part.
[04:46] <ScottK> It's very common to completely lose perspective when you're in that state.
[04:46] <nixternal> ok, so I have redone the feedback widget, ie. ported it to c++ since it starts up, cleaned it up a bit, and repackaged it...I will throw it on revu so you can revu it :)
[04:46] <ScottK> nixternal: OK.  You want to upload the two dozen translations updates that are left for karmic-backports while I look at that?
[04:46] <ScottK> I'm up to kde-l10n-mr_4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1_source.changes
[04:47] <ScottK> (in alphabetical order)
[04:47] <nixternal> do they all have to be test built?
[04:47] <ScottK> Nope.
[04:47] <nixternal> for x in `ls *.changes`; do dput ${x}; done
[04:47] <nixternal> ;p
[04:48] <nixternal> ooh, dput ubuntu those badboys
[04:48] <nixternal> I can finish those up
[04:48] <ScottK> nixternal: Grab them from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages?start=0&batch=75 and remove the ~ppa1 and change the upload target to karmic-backports
[04:48] <ScottK> nixternal: Actually I have kde-l10n-nb_4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1_source.changes done.
[04:48] <nixternal> hey, seeing as I ported the widget to c++, I renamed it, and have it set to replace the old..is that cool, or should I just keep the same name?
[04:48] <ScottK> Should be fine.  I'll look at it.
[04:49] <ScottK> nixternal: You should start with https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/894697/+listing-archive-extra
[04:49] <nixternal> yeah, didn't want to keep the same name honestly...a) to long of a name, and b) wasn't short and to the point :)
[04:49] <ScottK> nixternal: What's the new name?
[04:50] <nixternal> plasma-widget-kubuntu-feedback
[04:50] <nixternal> removed the -qa- part
[04:50] <nixternal> not showing up in revu yet...need to wait 3084032843280 hours :p
[04:50] <ScottK> OK.  Get to work on the translations and I'll go hunt it down.
[04:51] <nixternal> roger that
[04:51] <nixternal> so I am starting from -nl it looks like
[04:52] <ScottK> nixternal: Start from -nds
[04:54] <ScottK> Found it.
[04:55] <nixternal> for x in nl nn pa pl pt ptbr ro ru sk sl sr sv tg th tr uk wa zhcn zhtw; do
[04:55] <nixternal> dget -ux https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+files/kde-l10n-${x}_4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1.dsc
[04:55] <nixternal> done
[04:55] <nixternal> ahh, ok..will add nds
[04:58] <ScottK> nixternal: Any reason you don't want to build you app --with-kde?
[04:58] <ScottK> you/your
[04:58] <nixternal> cuz I am a moron
[04:58] <nixternal> I was building non-kde apps earlier and it stuck
[04:58] <nixternal> I will fix that
[05:00] <ScottK> nixternal: How about I fix it and you do the langauge stuff.  I'm sick of backports.
[05:03] <nixternal> hehe
[05:03] <nixternal> did you dput anything with these at all?
[05:04] <nixternal> ie. the ones you finished
[05:06] <nixternal> ahh, nevermind, found them :)
[05:22] <nixternal> echo "*** Did you remember to refresh desktop translations with `make -f debian/rules get-desktop`? ***"
[05:22] <nixternal> ScottK: ^^ do I need to run that before debuild?
[05:22] <ScottK> nixternal: Not unless I messed it up too.
[05:22] <nixternal> hrmm, debuild doesn't get past that, it just stops there
[05:22] <ScottK> We're just reuploading the translations from the PPA, not trying to make new ones.
[05:22] <ScottK> No.  It just takes a long time.
[05:23] <nixternal> oh
[05:23] <nixternal> haha
[05:23] <nixternal> lol, as soon as I switch back to that screen, sure enough, there is my password prompt :)
[05:27] <ScottK> nixternal: Want me to go ahead and upload this?
[05:32] <nixternal> don't see why not
[05:33] <ScottK> OK.
[05:35] <ScottK> nixternal: Uploaded.  Linitian whines about rpath.  I'll leave that for you in ubuntu2 as I'm too tired.
[05:36] <nixternal> groovy
[05:36] <nixternal> thanks
[06:02] <ScottK> nixternal: How's it going?
[06:03] <nixternal> getting ready to upload
[06:04] <ScottK> Excellent.
[06:04] <ScottK> I'll stay up to accept it then.
[06:04] <ScottK> nixternal: When you're done, would you please put the list of what you uploaded in https://bugs.launchpad.net/karmic-backports/+bug/497724 and then mark the bug fix released.
[06:05] <nixternal> yes
[06:05] <ScottK> Thanks.
[06:08] <nixternal> uploading now
[06:09] <nixternal> that was only like a 15 minute task thanks to for, if, and sed :)
[06:09] <nixternal> dput *karmic1_source.changes
[06:09] <nixternal> dput ubuntu *karmic1_source.changes
[06:09] <ScottK> Even better.
[06:10] <nixternal> sed -i 's/karmic1~ppa1) karmic;/karmic1) karmic-backports;/' */debian/changelog
[06:11] <nixternal> what a friend that one is :)
[06:11] <nixternal> for x in `ls`; do
[06:11] <nixternal> if [ -d $x ]; then
[06:11] <nixternal> cd ${x}
[06:11] <nixternal> debuild -S -sa -k$GPGKEY
[06:11] <nixternal> cd ..
[06:11] <nixternal> fi
[06:11] <nixternal> done
[06:12] <nixternal> booyah, so if anyone has to do mass uploads from ppa to -backports, there you go :)
[06:13] <ScottK> All I see so far in the queue is nds.
[06:13] <nixternal> they are all going
[06:13] <nixternal> up to ptbr right now
[06:13] <ScottK> OK
[06:16] <ScottK> OK, just accepted through ro.
[06:16] <ScottK> Coming along nicely
[06:17] <nixternal> sv uploading now
[06:21] <ScottK> There's another batch.  Up through tg now.
[06:21] <ScottK> th accepted too.
[06:21] <nixternal> last 2 are uploading now
[06:21] <nixternal> zhcn and zhtw
[06:21] <ScottK> Cool.
[06:24] <nixternal> all done
[06:24] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks a bunch.
[06:24] <nixternal> np
[06:26] <ScottK> nixternal: All accepted.
[06:26] <nixternal> well that was easy
[06:26] <ScottK> Don't forget the bug.
[06:27] <nixternal> bug 497724 fix released
[06:29] <ScottK> All done then.
[06:29] <ScottK> Once it's all built, I'll put an update on kubuntu.org
[08:48] <Nightrose> ScottK: re moving amarok: generally the more people get the newest amarok the better but it's your call if you think it is safe enough for backports
[11:34]  * jussi01 waves
[11:35]  * Riddell photons
[11:37] <jussi01> *g*
[11:37] <jussi01> How are you Riddell? Have a good new years?
[11:39] <Riddell> yes most jolly thanks jussi01
[11:40] <jussi01> Riddell: excellent. :)
[12:24] <Tonio_> happy new year everyone :)
[12:28] <jussi01> And the same back to you Tonio_ ! :)
[12:28] <Tonio_> :)
[13:29] <jussi01> rgreening: good morning sir!
[13:30] <rgreening> morning. happy new yr
[13:30] <rgreening> my Amarok keeps crsh
[13:30] <rgreening> dang
[13:38] <seele> maco: you called again?
[13:48] <ScottK> Tonio_: Happy New Year.
[14:01] <dholbach> heya
[14:01] <dholbach> can anybody imagine running a session at UDW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep still has a couple of empty slots
[14:05] <dholbach> there's nothing kubuntu-y or kde-y on the schedule yet
[14:08] <seele> dholbach: hmm.. i could do one friday on kubuntu/kde junior jobs/papercuts
[14:09] <dholbach> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!
[14:09] <dholbach> that'd be fantastic!
[14:09] <dholbach> seele: do you want me to pencil you in somewhere or do you prefer to do it?
[14:09] <seele> you say it as if you didn't expect anyone to volunteer :)
[14:09] <seele> dholbach: go ahead and pencil me in on friday, i'll put it on my calendar
[14:10] <dholbach> seele: thanks muchly
[14:10]  * dholbach hugs seele
[14:10] <dholbach> and happy 2010!
[14:10] <seele> dholbach: np, happy new year
[14:10] <dholbach> :-)
[14:27] <Riddell> seele: maco is away from internet access for the moment
[14:27] <seele> she keeps on calling me but never leaves voice messages
[14:41] <Daskreech> hi dendro-afk
[15:02] <Stecchino> KDE4.4-beta2, getting phonon build errors. Seems like either missing package or incorrect phonon version
[15:03] <Stecchino> does anyone know about this. Preferably with an easy, quick fix
[15:17] <Riddell> Stecchino: what version of qt do you have?
[15:18] <Stecchino> Riddell: 4.6.0-1ubuntu3~karmic1~ppa1
[15:18] <Riddell> hmm, that should have the phonon patch
[15:18] <Riddell> Stecchino: what's the build error?  missing headers are common with phonon since they keep changing
[15:19] <Stecchino> Riddell: I seem to be the only one of the Amarok devs to be having this problem though. Plenty of people have been using Qt4.6
[15:20] <Quintasan> \o
[15:20] <Stecchino> and the build error: http://pastebin.org/71038
[15:20] <Stecchino> build fails withing Phonon global header
[15:21] <Riddell> Stecchino: and do you have /usr/include/qt4/phonon/phononnamespace.h ?
[15:22] <Riddell> that should be part of libphonon-dev version 4:4.6.0-1ubuntu3~karmic1~ppa1
[15:22] <Stecchino> Riddell: yup
[15:22] <Riddell> then "/usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon/Global:1:42: error: ../../phonon/phononnamespace.h: No such file or directory " makes no sense if there is such a file
[15:22] <Stecchino> Riddell: there is something wrong with the phonon symlink
[15:23] <Stecchino> or rather, it should be a symlink or directory but it's a regular file
[15:24] <Riddell> /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon -> .
[15:24] <Riddell> that one?
[15:24] <Stecchino> actually the one that it fails on /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon/../../phonon
[15:25] <Stecchino> I don't know what that is supposed to be
[15:25] <Riddell> >ls /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon/../../phonon/phononnamespace.h
[15:25] <Riddell> ls: cannot access /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon/../../phonon/phononnamespace.h: No such file or directory
[15:25] <Riddell> weirdness
[15:25] <Stecchino> relative symlink problems me thinks
[15:26] <Stecchino> Phonon -> . which screws with Phonon/../
[15:26] <Stecchino> it ends up one level up in /usr/include
[15:27] <Stecchino> /usr/include/qt4/phonon/phonon seems to be a correct file albeit a weird one
[15:27] <Riddell> then a quick fix is   sudo ln -s /usr/include/qt4/phonon /usr/include/phonon  I think
[15:27] <Riddell> although it doesn't explain why I can compile amarok without issue
[15:28] <Stecchino> install mishap?
[15:28] <Riddell> the buildds have no problems compiling either
[15:28] <Stecchino> or perhaps the result of me trying to fix it with apt-get -i --reinstall libqt4-phonon-dev
[15:28] <Riddell> that shouldn't do anything (that package is empty anyway)
[15:29] <Stecchino> This doesn't look right: ii  phonon-backend-xine                  4:4.3.80-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2
[15:30] <Stecchino> al the rest of dpkg -l | grep phonon is 4.6 though
[15:30] <Riddell> phonon-backend-xine isn't distributed as part of Qt so it has a different version number
[15:30] <Riddell> phonon releases are a mess
[15:30] <Stecchino> At the end: http://pastebin.org/71040
[15:31] <Stecchino> I would get sandsmark in here but he's afk
[15:31] <Stecchino> then you could slap him into cleaning up phonon releases
[15:33] <Riddell> he does well, it's trolltech's fault if anyone's
[15:34] <Stecchino> /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon/Global << is one of the fancy headers for #include <ClassName>. Perhaps these are generated at make install?
[15:37] <Riddell> Stecchino: does adding that symlink fix it?
[15:39] <Stecchino> Riddell: yes
[15:48] <Riddell> Stecchino: I can recreate your problem but not if I run cmake with the arguments we use to build a package
[15:48] <Quintasan> trolltech is trolling then :)
[15:48] <Riddell> so something in this is working around it
[15:48] <Riddell> -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debian -DKDE4_BUILD_TESTS=false -DKDE_DISTRIBUTION_TEXT="Kubuntu packages" -DCMAKE_SKIP_RPATH=true -DKDE4_USE_ALWAYS_FULL_RPATH=false -DCONFIG_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/kde4/config -DDATA_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/kde4/apps -DHTML_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML -DKCFG_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/kde4/config.kcfg -DLIB_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/lib -DSYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR=/etc
[15:48] <Riddell> don't know what though
[15:49] <Stecchino> Riddell: Amarok cmake I assume? Might be a stale cmake cache even though I deleted to fix
[15:50] <Stecchino> build type != debugfull might be the significant difference
[15:50] <Stecchino> or build_tests
[16:32] <ScottK> When is the next KDE release?
[16:32] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like we've got a few changes piled up for another qt4-x11 upload.
[16:32] <ScottK> It might be nice to get that done well before we have a KDE release to package.
[16:33] <Riddell> we should work out what's going on with Stecchino's include problem with qt4-x11
[16:34] <Stecchino> I'm here if you need me
[16:34] <ScottK> Riddell: That too.
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> RC1 tagging is tomorrow
[16:36] <Riddell> I also have just packaged virtuoso 5.0.12 by popular demand, we should consider if we want to use that
[16:36] <ScottK> Better than indeterminate waiting on 6.0.1
[16:37] <Riddell> it would need a MIR of course but doesn't have any new depends
[16:47] <ScottK> Fortunately pitti is making those a lot less painful
[16:48] <ScottK> I just pinged kees on libssh
[16:51]  * Riddell smiles as "Simplified Main Inclusion Request process" arrives in his inbox
[16:53] <ejat> Riddell: so virtuoso package will release soon ? \0/
[17:06] <DasKreeCh> ejat: Not related  :)
[17:08] <ejat> DasKreeCh: <Riddell> I also have just packaged virtuoso 5.0.12 by popular demand, we should consider if we want to use that
[17:08] <Riddell> hope so
[17:08] <ejat> \0/
[17:32] <DasKreeCh> ejat: Ah Ok missed that :)
[17:56]  * ScottK installs kde 4.3.4 from karmic-backports.
[17:57] <Riddell> ScottK: amichair said that kdesdk got held back
[17:57] <ScottK> Did he dist-upgrade?
[17:58] <ScottK> Riddell: If he's on amd64, that's not fully built yet
[17:58] <Riddell> I'm not sure
[18:00] <ScottK> i386 just finished before the last publisher run
[18:15] <amichair> Riddell: I did, but then added that the mirror seemed to have been half-updated - switching to main servers got the rest of the packages
[18:15] <amichair> though I am indeed on amd64...
[18:16] <amichair> hmmm... I see there are some more packages available now... oh well. trickly trickle little packages...
[18:17] <ScottK> amd64 is still in progress.
[18:17] <amichair> ScottK: how does that work? each package is compiled and uploaded separately? not all built and then uploaded together?
[18:18] <ScottK> amichair: Yes.  It has to be since many of the later packages need the earlier ones to build.
[18:18] <ScottK> This is why we use the staging PPA.
[18:18] <ScottK> We don't have an equivalent for actual backports.
[18:19] <amichair> yes to which? all built first and then uploaded, or uploaded as they are built one by one?
[18:21] <seele> who was the travel agent canonical used to use before resfax? eyas or something? i cant remember how to spell it
[18:25] <amichair> ScottK: can't it pose a problem for users (myself?) to get only some of the packages, then a few hours later some more, etc.? the update operation doesn't have to be atomic?
[18:27] <ScottK> amichair: For third digit updates it's unlikely to be a problem.
[18:28] <amichair> ScottK: famous last words :-)
[18:28] <ScottK> amichair: There really isn't a way around it.
[18:29] <amichair> ScottK: I don't know anything about repos, but I thought u can first build and prepare everything offline, then just 'commit' the changes - not unlike version control systems. but I guess not.
[18:31] <amichair> I have much to learn!
[18:50] <ScottK> Arghhh!
[18:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like we need another armel specific no nepomuk patch: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim-runtime/4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1/+build/1425677/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdepim-runtime_4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:51] <amichair> ?
[18:56] <Riddell> ScottK: what causes that?
[18:56] <ScottK> Riddell: That's 4.3.4 kdepimlibs on armel.  You'll recall you did a no nepomuk patch on armel for one package right before karmic released.
[18:58] <ScottK> So I'll go with whatever was causing the other problem
[18:59] <Riddell> ScottK: based on the current conversation on release-team I think kdepim requires neopmuk in 4.4
[19:00] <ScottK> I suspect that's true, but this is 4.3 in Karmic.
[19:00] <ScottK> We dropped the no-nepomuk thing in Lucid already and it's fine
[19:00] <Riddell> do we care about arm backports that much?
[19:00] <ScottK> It bothers my sense of order.
[19:01] <ScottK> Do you remember what package is was you patched before?
[19:01]  * jussi01 hi 5's ScottK
[19:01]  * ScottK is a bit startled, but recovers
[19:01] <Riddell> I'm afraid I don't
[19:08] <ScottK> Found it.
[19:08] <ScottK> It was kdebase-runtime
[19:12] <ScottK> And it was soprano, not nepomuk
[19:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: Hmm I get "access denied" when uploading to REVU, any idea why?
[19:43] <ScottK> Nope
[19:43] <Quintasan> :S
[19:52] <jussi01> Quintasan: you forgot to set a pw somewhere?
[19:53] <Quintasan> jussi01: pw? I need a pw in dput config to upload to REVU?
[19:54] <jussi01> Quintasan: either that or you forgot to sign something - I meant that there has to be someway it knows its from you...
[19:54] <jussi01> but I havent used revu since the old days
[19:56] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.ca/1737787
[19:56] <Quintasan> :/
[20:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Kubuntu <-- can I add myself there?
[20:01] <Riddell> Quintasan: that page should be deleted, it was from before launchpad had teams
[20:01] <Quintasan> oh :D
[20:01] <jussi01> Quintasan: have you changed your ssh key since LP or wherever revu gets them from?
[20:02] <Quintasan> jussi01: nope, I always keep em in separate place
[20:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: What's this Messages.sh? You mentioned me it's missing some time ago and now same for colibri package.
[20:27] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's a script which generates the .pot translation templates
[20:33] <Quintasan> Urgh, doesn't sound interesting
[20:33] <nixternal> can you gdb a plasmoid? or strace one?
[20:34] <nixternal> or valgrind at that
[20:35] <nixternal> well damn, plasmoidviewer allows you to do just that...I was a bit worried there
[20:39] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's boring, but essential for GPL compliance.
[20:45] <amichair> ScottK: how long does this kde build/update take? it's been hours, and still some missing dependencies
[20:46] <ScottK> amichair: Part of the problem is that backports are a low priority for building and lots of other stuff has been going on today.
[20:46] <ScottK> We're close though.
[20:46]  * ScottK check
[20:48] <amichair> btw is this build progress publicly available?
[20:49] <ScottK> amichair: https://launchpad.net/builders
[20:49] <amichair> ScottK: coolness, thanks
[21:26] <ScottK> Riddell or JontheEchidna: When is the next 4.4 release tagged?  NCommander wants to get back invovled with Kubuntu packaging.
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> tomorrowish
[21:30] <Riddell> e-jat: virtuoso is in my PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa but it has no init script and I'm not sure if it needs one
[21:31] <e-jat> Riddell: thanks
[21:37] <Riddell> e-jat: do you know if the virtuoso server needs to be running all the time?  or how I should test it?
[21:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Debian has a draft package in their svn.
[21:38] <ScottK> I'm guessing it has the right answer to this question
[21:42] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah it has an init script which doesn't work, at least not for virtuoso 5
[21:50] <nixternal> Riddell: http://trueg.wordpress.com/tag/virtuoso/
[21:51] <nixternal> I used the "Once More With Feeling" post to get it running on my trunk box
[21:52] <nixternal> http://vizzzion.org/blog/2009/10/virtuoso-here-i-come/ <- and of course this one
[21:53] <Lure> Riddell: can you review bug 502565 and give ACK?
[21:53] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[21:54] <Lure> Riddell: only kde packages need exiv2 in main
[21:54] <Riddell> Lure: after I've had tea
[21:55] <Lure> Riddell: didn't 5 o'clock pass already in your timezone :-)
[21:56] <Lure> Riddell: virtuoso MIR might be fine (it is huge pile)
[21:56] <Lure> but MIR process just got easier
[21:57]  * Lure likes it
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> Installing virtuoso-server, virtuoso-driver and restarting nepomuk = success
[22:11] <ryanakca> shtylman: Did you have any luck with making the website text not look "slapped together" ?
[22:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: from my PPA?
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah
[22:48] <Riddell> rock
[23:06] <nixternal>  7643 nixterna  20   0  105m  73m 6152 S   71  3.7   0:57.79 virtuoso-t
[23:06] <nixternal> nice little hog
[23:07] <nixternal> temp1:       +71.5°C  (crit = +99.0°C)
[23:07] <nixternal> that's what I hate about nepomuk/virtuoso/strigi
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> it's taking 130 MB here doing the indexing
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> maybe it'll go down when it's done, but it's still somewhat of a disaster for lower-end computers
[23:21] <nixternal> yeah, no way we could run that on a netbook
[23:21] <nixternal> well we could, just don't expect it today
[23:22] <ScottK> 130MB isn't so bad.
[23:22] <ScottK> Unless you went with the 4GB SSD option.
[23:23] <ScottK> On netbooks, I suspect CPU will be more important than hard disk space.
[23:24] <nixternal> well the size isn't the issue as much as the taxing of the cpu
[23:24] <nixternal> as soon as I run nepomuk on my desktop, enable strigi...hold on, as the fans power up and start sucking in small animals
[23:26] <shtylman> ryanakca: havn't tried it... too bust with other things atm :)
[23:34] <shtylman> nixternal: that link for the applet doesn't work...
[23:34] <shtylman> I wanted to get the code and try it ... but :(
[23:35] <nixternal> shtylman: lp:plasma-applet-feedback
[23:40] <shtylman> nixternal: thanks
[23:41] <shtylman> nixternal: bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:plasma-applet-feedback": No such project: plasma-applet-feedback
[23:44] <nixternal> derr
[23:44] <nixternal> lp:kubuntu-feedback-applet
[23:45] <shtylman> :)
[23:49] <shtylman> no survey :(
[23:53] <nixternal> are you on karmic?