[00:00] when I reboot and go into hardware manager, it doesnt say STA anywhere. It says B43 is there and activated - wtf? [00:00] jason__: there is a bug with jockey-kde it seems. the suggested workaround is to install jockey-gtk (which installs a lot of gnome stuff along with it) [00:00] but when I install bcmwl* via apt-get install bcmwl* and reboot, suddenly STA is there, activated, and good to go. [00:01] when i did apt-get install bcmwl* i ALSO had to enable the driver [00:02] google "jockey-kde bug" [00:03] i am happy that wifi card is working now i can "hide" the external antenna :P [00:05] i just dont get why it worked this time and not before [00:05] there must be something that happens when you first boot uip and it says Yo! Restricted drivers available! and you install them. [00:05] There has to be. Otherwise why would it act different the 2nd time around. [00:05] After all we were apt-get removing and apt-get installing. Maybe it goofed up what the hardware manager was seeing. [00:06] you know accept for in live cd that icon never showed up that i can recall [00:06] accept? [00:06] what do you mean? [00:06] except? [00:06] yea that :P [00:07] wait Im slightly lost - you never got that icon in the livecd, but you always got it during the native install? [00:08] ciao [00:08] no i got it in live not in native [00:08] sometimes it lags in the native install [00:08] so do updates on the notifier [00:09] !liste [00:09] could be also related to the fact that nvidia card does not show up in the hardware info widget [00:09] yes - very true [00:09] howd you get into linux? [00:10] got fed up with windoze xp [00:10] linux [00:10] so you went out and found it on your own? [00:10] no it was recommended [00:11] did you have family using it too? [00:11] nope, none that i know of [00:12] the game that i was playing at the time had a linux client so that was the next *cheapest* option to move to, other then mac osx === ken is now known as Geiman [00:16] wow, a game brought you to linux [00:16] yep [00:18] 0_o [00:19] that deserves to go into some record book [00:19] hehe [00:21] will update-grub from within the live cd work on an installed system after I've edited /etc/default/grub and added something? [00:21] where is 'default applications' in 9.10 [00:21] i cant find it under system settings [00:21] Planetary: not sure I understand your question.. the default apps are listed in the K menu in the various catagories. [00:22] Planetary: it's right there on the second row in systemsettings [00:23] oh wow [00:23] duh [00:23] thanks [00:23] there's a search bar in systemsettings too [00:23] thanks again [00:24] Icari: had to go AFK for a bit. mom needed kubuntu help with her scanner. Everything all good? [00:24] yep still good [00:24] did ya reboot? :P [00:24] nope [00:24] lol [00:25] i might go a few days/weeks before i do :P [00:25] one time i had an uptime of almost 100 days on my old [old] laptop and it decided to reboot on me [00:26] lol, nice [00:26] I never tested my uptime becaue I dual boot on my main rig [00:26] Im in vista now still on GTA with it [00:27] i have 7 on here but i dont know if i will actually use it :P [00:27] you should try wine ;) [00:27] hello all [00:27] I was going to, Ive heard a lot of things that didnt use to run in wine (reasoning behind why I have vista dual booting) is now supported. [00:27] ffxi runs very well in wine [00:27] but for me, I like having windows on my machine too, mostly so I can test things and learn with it since I run windows at work. [00:28] amarok can play music, but totem can't.. so i can't watch movies with sound (anymore) don't know what happened [00:28] neither can flash player in firefox [00:28] will update-grub from within the live cd work on an installed system after I've edited /etc/default/grub and added something? [00:30] scunizi: it will work on the livecd that is running, not the installed system [00:30] scunizi: there's ways around that, but I don't know enough to tell you how [00:30] anyone? this is really annoying [00:30] iconmefisto: k [00:31] sedeki: checked mixer levels? [00:32] iconmefisto, yes i have [00:35] sedeki: did you make any config changes that may have caused it? [00:37] iconmefisto, apparently i can play movies with dragon player, but still i have problems with flashplayer [00:39] Icari: only thing Im not digging about adept is if I search "broadcom" in it, it finds nothing - whereas synaptic finds the drivers installed. [00:39] sedeki: do you have pulseaudio installed? [00:39] iconmefisto, yes [00:39] i have not tried that, but most of the time adept finds what i am looking for [00:39] sedeki: did you install flash plugin non free *and* the kubuntu-restricted-extras package? if so you have 2 flash packages installed which will conflict.. uninstall the non free version [00:40] Icari: I wonder if adept is just more geared towards actual applications - sort of like ubuntu's add/remove (prior to 9.10) [00:40] i dont think so [00:40] scunizi, how can i apt-cache search for installed packages? [00:40] you are using adept package manager? [00:40] sedeki: good question.. never tried [00:40] I have adept, synaptic, and kpackagekit installed. [00:41] there are 2 versions of adept [00:41] try the "package manager" [00:41] sedeki: you could try deleting (or renaming) ~/.pulse/ and then restart pulseaudio [00:41] Icari: do they use 2 different databases to keep track of installed/available packages? [00:42] i dont think so, just different ui's [00:42] good [00:42] or just apt-cache search [00:42] I think that aptitude and apt-get do use different databases locally to keep track of stuff.. but that may have changed in the last couple of releases [00:51] i installed ubuntu (gnome dekstop), and apt-getted kubuntu-desktop, how can i remove ubuntu now? [00:51] you cant really remove ubuntu, but you can try to remove gnome [00:52] to *remove* ubuntu you need to format your hard drive [00:52] yes, gnome [00:52] sedeki: gnome and kde are desktop environments, which are built on top of *buntu (the actual operating system). [00:52] yes... [00:53] sedeki: you want to remove gnome-desktop, I believe. Look for it in synaptic and remove it. [00:53] did you start on gnome and make your way to kde? [00:53] !purekde | sedeki [00:53] sedeki: If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE » [00:57] hi all [00:57] Icari: ever check out debian? [00:57] nope [01:04] Im downloading it now to check it out [01:04] ok === irfan is now known as Guest70476 [01:12] jason__: with kde or gnome? [01:12] well I cancelled the download [01:13] I went in debian and it seems theyre still on 3.5 on their stable branch [01:13] When I asked why I got raped with "BECAUES 4.X IS STABLE A SHYT" etc [01:13] I've ran KDE 4 since 4.2 and I find it very solid. Maybe not as solid as 3.5, but its come a long, long way, and I find 4.3 to be the best yet. [01:13] yeah, that's kind of the reason ubuntu was created, frustration with how conservative debian is with updates. but it's rock solid [01:14] yeah [01:14] then of course I asked "besides kubuntu and debian/kde are there any debian based kde distros that are solid to use?" [01:14] and everybody jumped on me about putting *buntu and solid in the same sentence. [01:14] Those wankers really need to wake up and realize they are not the only robust linux distro out there. [01:15] I've ran *buntu for years with exceptionally solid results, and recently Kubuntu with similar results. [01:16] anybody knows how to setup adhoc network with knetwork manager? [01:16] try wicd [01:16] it shows an optiion of "new adhoc network" [01:16] but it does't do anything when i click on it [01:17] wot's wicd? :O [01:17] another network manager [01:17] ohk, it's network manager [01:17] hmm k [01:18] can't I make it using knetwork manager? [01:18] i hate to run gtp apps on kde :S it looks ugly [01:18] well i have been fighting with a wireless network for half a week and it worked in wicd and not knetworkmanager [01:19] wicd is a gtk ap? [01:19] yea [01:19] news to me [01:19] looks fine to me in kde *shrug* [01:19] you must use a lot of gnome apps [01:19] yup i just checked it's website [01:19] it says that its gtk [01:20] but if it works it is worth trying [01:20] hmm rite [01:22] and you know about the "virtual wifi" introduced by m$ in windows 7? is it possible to do similar thing in linux? [01:22] no idea [01:22] never even heard of that in ms [01:23] what does "virtual wifi" mean? [01:23] wel it virtualy creates wireless lan cards [01:24] hmm, why? [01:24] using your existing wlan card [01:24] sharing a network connection? [01:24] ICS [01:24] yup internet connection sharing [01:24] never tried it [01:25] i've tried it on windows7 and it works too [01:25] Probably allows the computer to act as an access point [01:25] Most wireless adapters don't like being an access point and connecting to another access point at the same time [01:26] i would not even TRY that on my card :P [01:27] http://www.istartedsomething.com/20091106/latest-intel-drivers-windows-7-virtual-wifi-support/ [01:29] i also have another USB wlan card, so if i'd make an adhoc network on kubuntu than i can share intrnet on kubuntu rite? [01:54] Hello, I installed kubuntu-netbook, moved some plasma widgets around, couldn't get them back to their original location and now have a white background. Any way to get the original plasma setup back or move stragiht to a regular kde desktop? [01:56] try killing plasma-desktop, then restart it [01:56] tried that, thanks [01:58] how about deleting plasma-related files in ~/.kde/share/config/ [02:00] sweet, works [02:00] one more thing, how can i switch it to default to plasma-desktop? [02:00] did you have to log out after deleting the files? [02:00] yup [02:01] can't help with that, I don't really know anything about kubuntu-netbook [02:01] well, thanks for the solution anyway :-) big help for my gf [02:08] can i call skype contacts using ekiga? [02:12] udee: no [02:12] thats sad [02:12] skype not working for you? [02:16] guess not [02:21] hi all [02:23] hello all [02:24] I am trying to get mums pc to work with her samsung monitor that only seems to support 1360x768 and the resolution is fin but the screen is to big for the display running nvidia drivers [02:24] when i add virtual setting to xorg.conf it says it doesnt support this mode [02:28] brb === esds002 is now known as Jabeen [02:35] iconmefisto : sorry for not being around.skype works but the audio and video quality is not good [02:50] hey guy [02:50] i ve kubuntu with gnome =D [02:50] work great [02:50] and u ? [02:56] how can I make knetworkmanager startup when I boot the machine? [03:02] I just installed kubutu in a multiboot environment.. on first boot and with the live cd sound worked fine.. after updates all I get is a "click" when testing and no boot sound. Where do I start looking for the remedy? [03:03] tried getting the restricted packages? [03:03] asobi: talking to me? yes.. installed kubuntu-restricted-extras [03:04] then beats me :/ [03:05] scunizi: if you have any .wav files, try playing one in konsole with: aplay wave-file.wav [03:06] also does amarok play anything? [03:06] * asobi thinks versions after hardy all seem to have some major issues @_@ [03:06] iconmefisto: ok.. one other tidbit.. pulse audio isn't working.. what tries to test is nvidia hda, hdmi, and several others [03:07] try alsa? [03:07] asobi: don't want to go there yet. it's a chore [03:07] ah [03:08] scunizi: you could try deleting or renaming ~/.pulse then restart pulseaudio [03:10] alsa will play through pulseaudio anyway, so if pulseaudio isn't working, you won't get any sound [03:10] * asobi is a newb -_- [03:11] how can you make a 5th primary partition? [03:11] don't think you can sfears [03:12] iconmefisto: not even a 500MB fat partition? [03:12] 4 primary partitions is the limit, afaik [03:12] Maximum of 4 primary partitions. There's no limit on logical volumes. [03:13] i have a laptop that can access a fat partition while the computer is off to play .mp3s.. but it won't work off of a logical partition because it's not booted to access the fake part. [03:14] it can access a computer that is off? huh? [03:15] i'm sure there's a way to do it.. it's just not supported well because it's more than likely dangerous to hold more than 4 partitions in memory while restructuring [03:15] iconmefisto: yup.. it has a little a/v control panel, it's neat [03:16] sfears: but if there's no power (if it's really off) then how could it possibly do anything??? [03:16] it has battery power... it's a little mp3 player [03:16] that's why it needs the fat partition.. doesn't work off of ntfs [03:16] Some motherboards have small operating systems on a chip that can do neat stuff like that [03:17] I think mine can function as an alarm clock [03:17] iconmefisto: that might be worth a shot.. aplay works from cli.. amorak doesn't.. what's greyed out in sound setup is HDA Nvidia ALL888 analog & digital [03:18] aplay uses alsa directly (without using pulseaudio) so it seems the problem is pulseaudio related [03:20] iconmefisto: ok. I'll rename .pulse [03:21] sfears: so you need just one primary fat partition. does the disk have space to create new partitions? [03:22] yes it does iconmefisto [03:23] and you already have 4 primary partitions with data on them? [03:23] ntfs, home, root & swap [03:25] sfears: ok swap can be trashed and recreated as a logical partition, then you can make a fat primary and move the music files to it. right? or am I completely confused? [03:26] that might work [03:26] swap on a logical partition won't cause any issues? [03:27] I don't think so, but maybe google to confirm that [03:27] will check [03:27] iconmefisto: after renaming .pulse do I have to restart the pulse server? if so is "sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart".. the correct way? [03:28] scunizi: that should work. if not, restart X or reboot [03:28] iconmefisto: looks like swap on logical will work fine - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142063 [03:28] iconmefisto: ok.. asking because I know in 9.10 they implemented a different way in some cases.. like pulseaudio service restart .. or similar.. [03:29] I think pulseaudio --kill and pulseaudio --start work too [03:30] k [03:30] iconmefisto: do you know if i can resize the swap partitions while i'm booted or do i need to use a live disk? [03:30] sfears: I would use livecd [03:31] sounds safer [03:32] iconmefisto: any way to setup remote desktop so it doesn't authenticate at the host and require a password at the guest..? I'm wearing a path in the carpet between the living room and office space. [03:34] like ssh without password? [03:35] have you tried x11vnc? [03:37] scunizi: ssh with autologin: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/05/unattended-ssh-login-public-key-ssh-authorization-ssh-automatic-login/ [03:38] I'm having a problem with ubuntu and plan to file a bug, but not sure which package to file under (it is system-wide). Any suggestions? [03:38] Sorry, meant Kubuntu* [03:42] iconmefisto: got most of it working.. looks like pulseaudio wasn't installed at all.. once installed and moved to the top of the priority list system sounds started working.. I'll have to work on amorak tomorrow. thanks for the clues :) [03:43] if pulse is working, amarok will probably work too [03:43] iconmefisto: ssh works find.. I had an issue with the key stored on the guest machine but fixed that.. [03:43] *fine [04:23] <|sysop|> is there a channel for kubuntu on ppc? [04:38] <|sysop|> hello? [04:39] hi [05:22] Hello there === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor [05:23] How do I make my bug reports more useful? [06:04] True or False - If I go to Hardware Drivers, select a driver, and hit "remove" it will remove it. Or - is that just a dead button that cannot be removed once it's added? [06:34] how to update firefox in kubuntu? === petr_ is now known as Guest37644 [06:34] I have 8.0.14 [06:35] how to update firefox in kubuntu? === Guest37644 is now known as Assguest [06:39] hi [06:39] hi [06:39] I think I have busted my system [06:39] and I really need help, please [06:39] may be [06:39] normally, I only use the shell [06:39] this time, I was so stupid not to use it [06:39] there is a website called "getdeb.net" [06:39] it does not offer the download-links any more [06:40] only the "INSTALL" button [06:40] and? [06:40] I clicked the Button, and "Adept Batch" opened [06:40] it worked for 10 programs [06:40] I always clicked on "Show Details" to see what it does [06:40] everything was fine [06:40] but then, I installed "DeVeDe" [06:41] when I clicked on "Show Details", I saw that something went wrong [06:41] unmet dependencies and removing stuff [06:41] What a hell is "DeVeDe"? What a fuck? [06:41] I did "aptitude install" after that [06:41] a DVD program [06:41] I will paste that output to nopaste [06:44] Assguest, http://pastebin.com/m2485aa78 [06:46] Assguest? [06:54] reinstall your linux [06:55] what are the advantages of KDE over Gnome? i haven't used a GUI for Linux since Afterstep [06:55] To crash linux is difficult deal but if you did it you should reintall system [06:58] LA-Snow: its a matter of preferrence. but in the end its more about 'what works for you' [06:58] hello [06:58] I am Dr. computer [07:00] i have gnome now and i'm putting KDE on this as well. i should be able to switch between the two by logging out, right? [07:03] LA-Snow: yes, but you'll also have both gnome and kde apps [07:04] when i decide on which one to stick with, what's the easiest way to delete one? [07:05] and in case you want to undo this, let me say that uninstalling either at a later time is rather difficult [07:05] so a fresh install of whichever one i want is the best bet then? [07:06] thats my opinion, yes [07:07] you could dual boot two buntus, one with gnome and one with kde .. thats another way of thinking about it [07:15] does anyone know how to get the icon for the remaining battery life on Karmic? [07:15] or do i have to type devkit -power d everytime? [07:20] whats the apt-get for kde? [07:20] sudo apt-get kde-desktop ? [07:32] RussellAlan: sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop === ubuntu is now known as oscar-halle === Life is now known as Karmic === ocs is now known as faLUCE [07:54] can someone suggest me a good keylogger === root is now known as Guest99712 === kb is now known as Guest88871 [08:47] hi. chkconfig has this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chkconfig/+bug/450517 when I try to add a service on 9.10 . What could I use alternatively ? thanks === willow is now known as Guest4900 [09:25] hi. if I insert a command in /etc/rc.local it has no effect, after booting, on 8.10 (it seems to work on 9.10) . any idea? thanks [09:40] i removed dhcp-client and installed dhcpcd because dhcp-client doesn't suport setting the hostname via dhcp now i still don't get the hostname after a reboot, but when i run manually "/etc/init.d/network restart" the hostname gets set by dhcp , what is different during the boot process that it doesn't get set ? [09:50] hey quick question, what package does the start menu fall under? i need to report a bug but i need to get that package name first [09:52] anyone? [09:54] hey quick question, what package does the start menu fall under? i need to report a bug but i need to get that package name first [09:54] the kmenu you mean? [09:54] i believe that should be kubuntu-desktop [09:54] kk thank you. did you get my first posting of that? [09:55] spamming wont get you ahead quicker.. and i dont think thats the right answer either [09:55] yeah, i'm workin on my cellphone here lol [09:55] ohhhh [09:55] shoot sorry [09:55] the more i think about it, fujimitsu is right, kubuntu-desktop is the wrapper for the kde environment [09:55] it was like the third time now in a few hours i though quassel had like glitched out or something [09:55] my bad [09:56] gimme a moment and let me check to see which, specific package it is [09:56] kk thank you [09:56] as i do this... what blew up? :) [09:57] lol how'd you know [09:57] well, if you're reporting a bug... ;) [09:57] um i tryed to click and drag a program from the internet catagorie to favorites and my screen went black [09:57] lol good point [09:58] redIago: maybe you can try asking in #ubuntu-bugs.. thats what they do in there [09:58] compositing active? [09:58] kk just asked in kde-bugs actually [09:58] yes it is [09:58] vid card supports compositing, i assume? [09:58] if by active you mean turned on [09:58] yes nvidia 280m [09:59] over qualified lol [09:59] proper driver as well? [09:59] yup but sadly proprietary for lack of a better option [09:59] understandable on that one, i run nvidia as well [10:00] the guys on kde-bugs said this "kickoff? kdebase-workspace" [10:00] idk what kick off is but does that sound right? [10:00] sounds more like a boot thing or a login [10:01] !kickoff [10:01] Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331 [10:01] yeah, that's what i was leaning towards, but i've seen weird stuff like this due to compositing as well. I'd say submit to kdebase-workspace, and make sure you note compositing, nvidia propriatary and the version of the nvidia drivers. [10:01] kk thanks [10:01] one last question [10:01] as a 'workaround', right click items, choose 'add to favorites' :) [10:02] what is the latest version of kde on kubuntu [10:02] bad person to ask here, i'm on ppas for betas hehe [10:02] lol [10:02] ill go find it on kpackage then lol [10:02] 4.3 [10:03] 4.4 is the beta [10:03] really wish we had the software center or some equivelent on here lol [10:03] kpackagekit 'works', but i admit i'm using synaptic and aptitude cli a lot more frequently [10:06] if i could figure out how to get kopete to stop dropping my MSN connection every minute, i'd be a happier camper though lol [10:06] gonna go bug #kopete about it :) [10:06] lol looks like we got some bug squashing and feature adding to do [10:06] ;-) [10:07] i just found Mangler, so I'm rather happy and good natured as it is lol [10:29] how do i know if i am using 8.4 or 8.10? [10:30] how do i know if i am using Kubuntu 8.4 or 8.10? === hades_ is now known as Guest39193 [10:40] i tried to install kubuntu on my windows laptop but it can't resize the disks. if i resize with gparted myself, will i still have the option to boot back into windows? === hades_ is now known as Guest12600 [10:42] pinkisntwell, you should be - at least as long as the OS's are on the same disk (disk0 or something) [10:43] sda [10:44] ok so what can i do now, should i try installing again and pick manual resize? i have no idea what partitions are needed [10:44] In Vista or Win7 you could also try using the disk management to shrink the windows-partition [10:45] where can i find probable causes for the inability to resize? [10:45] i want to check what could be going wrong [10:50] how u get dolphin to display thumbnails for cbr/cbz files? === z0manifest is now known as z0man === serg is now known as serggt1 [11:06] morning, i wonder if somebody could point out where i can change the max file size for previews in Dolphin (4.3). === evilTabmow is now known as Tabmow [11:12] lol nvm it moved from view modes to general ^^ [11:18] what is the launcher app for KDE now that Katapult has been retired? [11:40] TheKro: krunner [11:48] hi === bruno is now known as Guest20325 [12:03] hey guys, I've got an annoying thing going on here in kde 4.3.4 [12:04] Whenever I close Dolphin a Dolphin windows always stays behind in the taskbar [12:04] The same goes for konsole [12:04] why is that? === Guest20325 is now known as fibux === Life is now known as Guest6896 === Guest6896 is now known as Karmic [12:06] dagon_: i've got that, the update notifer won't let me click on it to get new updates and knetworkmanager won't start up a boot time === tobias is now known as Guest31946 [12:12] why LVM2 have 260m? This is insane === vargburzum is now known as Kherr [12:13] No idey [12:13] *idea [12:14] What is the function of this chat room? [12:14] Kherr: does it actually have that amount, or is its just read ahead memory? [12:14] Guest31946: type /topic [12:14] Guest31946: it is a support channel for Kubuntu. [12:15] ah okay, thanks - so I can ask a question an hope for answer? :D [12:15] i just install LVM2 ;) [12:15] thats only joke [12:15] i'm boring... i must wait too long [12:16] does someone know how to configure surround sound at the new kubuntu? [12:17] Guest31946: kubuntu 9.10 ? [12:17] yes [12:17] soee: yes^^ [12:19] Guest31946: i used oss drivers and then with ossxmix enabled surround :D [12:20] soee: hmm and what can I do?^^ [12:21] Guest31946: try the same maybe :) [12:21] Kherr: you may want to have a look at: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ [12:22] soee: so what excactly do I have to do? I'm not so involved in those technical things XD [12:23] Guest31946: go System Settings -> Multimedia and for each output audio options set oss (by default u have alsa prolly) [12:24] Guest31946: than run: ossxmix and set "spread" option to active [12:25] Guest31946: you can enable it with alsamixer too [12:26] brb [12:27] soee: but how can I "set oss" for each audio option? There is only "PulseAudio" and 3 VIAs [12:28] Guest31946: do you know which soundserver you're runnig right now? [12:28] alsamixer in konsole and you can set surround there [12:29] wth [12:29] dagon_: No, I don't know :D [12:29] dagon_: But I try alsamixer [12:29] i accidently pressed Shift+Ctrl+T [12:30] Now I've got a couple of views in konsole [12:30] hth do I undo it? :P [12:30] wait.. [12:30] Got it [12:30]