[00:00] <jason__> when I reboot and go into hardware manager, it doesnt say STA anywhere. It says B43 is there and activated - wtf?
[00:00] <iconmefisto> jason__: there is a bug with jockey-kde it seems. the suggested workaround is to install jockey-gtk (which installs a lot of gnome stuff along with it)
[00:00] <jason__> but when I install bcmwl* via apt-get install bcmwl* and reboot, suddenly STA is there, activated, and good to go.
[00:01] <Icari> when i did apt-get install bcmwl* i ALSO had to enable the driver
[00:02] <iconmefisto> google "jockey-kde bug"
[00:03] <Icari> i am happy that wifi card is working now i can "hide" the external antenna :P
[00:05] <Icari> i just dont get why it worked this time and not before
[00:05] <jason__> there must be something that happens when you first boot uip and it says Yo!  Restricted drivers available! and you install them.
[00:05] <jason__> There has to be. Otherwise why would it act different the 2nd time around.
[00:05] <jason__> After all we were apt-get removing and apt-get installing. Maybe it goofed up what the hardware manager was seeing.
[00:06] <Icari> you know accept for in live cd that icon never showed up that i can recall
[00:06] <jason__> accept?
[00:06] <jason__> what do you mean?
[00:06] <iconmefisto> except?
[00:06] <Icari> yea that :P
[00:07] <jason__> wait Im slightly lost - you never got that icon in the livecd, but you always got it during the native install?
[00:08] <luxack> ciao
[00:08] <Icari> no i got it in live not in native
[00:08] <jason__> sometimes it lags in the native install
[00:08] <jason__> so do updates on the notifier
[00:09] <luxack> !liste
[00:09] <Icari> could be also related to the fact that nvidia card does not show up in the hardware info widget
[00:09] <jason__> yes - very true
[00:09] <jason__> howd you get into linux?
[00:10] <Icari> got fed up with windoze xp
[00:10] <luxack> linux
[00:10] <jason__> so you went out and found it on your own?
[00:10] <Icari> no it was recommended
[00:11] <jason__> did you have family using it too?
[00:11] <Icari> nope, none that i know of
[00:12] <Icari> the game that i was playing at the time had a linux client so that was the next *cheapest* option to move to, other then mac osx
[00:16] <iconmefisto> wow, a game brought you to linux
[00:16] <Icari> yep
[00:18] <mikekap> 0_o
[00:19] <mikekap> that deserves to go into some record book
[00:19] <Icari> hehe
[00:21] <scunizi> will update-grub from within the live cd work on an installed system after I've edited /etc/default/grub and added something?
[00:21] <Planetary> where is 'default applications' in 9.10
[00:21] <Planetary> i cant find it under system settings
[00:21] <scunizi> Planetary: not sure I understand your question.. the default apps are listed in the K menu in the various catagories.
[00:22] <iconmefisto> Planetary: it's right there on the second row in systemsettings
[00:23] <Planetary> oh wow
[00:23] <Planetary> duh
[00:23] <Planetary> thanks
[00:23] <iconmefisto> there's a search bar in systemsettings too
[00:23] <Planetary> thanks again
[00:24] <jason__> Icari: had to go AFK for a bit. mom needed kubuntu help with her scanner. Everything all good?
[00:24] <Icari> yep still good
[00:24] <jason__> did ya reboot? :P
[00:24] <Icari> nope
[00:24] <jason__> lol
[00:25] <Icari> i might go a few days/weeks before i do :P
[00:25] <Icari> one time i had an uptime of almost 100 days on my old [old] laptop and it decided to reboot on me
[00:26] <jason__> lol, nice
[00:26] <jason__> I never tested my uptime becaue I dual boot on my main rig
[00:26] <jason__> Im in vista now still on GTA with it
[00:27] <Icari> i have 7 on here but i dont know if i will actually use it :P
[00:27] <Icari> you should try wine ;)
[00:27] <sedeki> hello all
[00:27] <jason__> I was going to, Ive heard a lot of things that didnt use to run in wine (reasoning behind why I have vista dual booting) is now supported.
[00:27] <Icari> ffxi runs very well in wine
[00:27] <jason__> but for me, I like having windows on my machine too, mostly so I can test things and learn with it since I run windows at work.
[00:28] <sedeki> amarok can play music, but totem can't.. so i can't watch movies with sound (anymore) don't know what happened
[00:28] <sedeki> neither can flash player in firefox
[00:28] <scunizi> will update-grub from within the live cd work on an installed system after I've edited /etc/default/grub and added something?
[00:30] <iconmefisto> scunizi: it will work on the livecd that is running, not the installed system
[00:30] <iconmefisto> scunizi: there's ways around that, but I don't know enough to tell you how
[00:30] <sedeki> anyone? this is really annoying
[00:30] <scunizi> iconmefisto: k
[00:31] <iconmefisto> sedeki: checked mixer levels?
[00:32] <sedeki> iconmefisto, yes i have
[00:35] <iconmefisto> sedeki: did you make any config changes that may have caused it?
[00:37] <sedeki> iconmefisto, apparently i can play movies with dragon player, but still i have problems with flashplayer
[00:39] <jason__> Icari: only thing Im not digging about adept is if I search "broadcom" in it, it finds nothing - whereas synaptic finds the drivers installed.
[00:39] <iconmefisto> sedeki: do you have pulseaudio installed?
[00:39] <sedeki> iconmefisto, yes
[00:39] <Icari> i have not tried that, but most of the time adept finds what i am looking for
[00:39] <scunizi> sedeki: did you install flash plugin non free *and* the kubuntu-restricted-extras package?  if so you have 2 flash packages installed which will conflict.. uninstall the non free version
[00:40] <jason__> Icari: I wonder if adept is just more geared towards actual applications - sort of like ubuntu's add/remove (prior to 9.10)
[00:40] <Icari> i dont think so
[00:40] <sedeki> scunizi, how can i apt-cache search for installed packages?
[00:40] <Icari> you are using adept package manager?
[00:40] <scunizi> sedeki: good question.. never tried
[00:40] <jason__> I have adept, synaptic, and kpackagekit installed.
[00:41] <Icari> there are 2 versions of adept
[00:41] <Icari> try the "package manager"
[00:41] <iconmefisto> sedeki: you could try deleting (or renaming) ~/.pulse/ and then restart pulseaudio
[00:41] <scunizi> Icari: do they use 2 different databases to keep track of installed/available packages?
[00:42] <Icari> i dont think so, just different ui's
[00:42] <scunizi> good
[00:42] <iconmefisto> or just apt-cache search <searchterm>
[00:42] <scunizi> I think that aptitude and apt-get do use different databases locally to keep track of stuff.. but that may have changed in the last couple of releases
[00:51] <sedeki> i installed ubuntu (gnome dekstop), and apt-getted kubuntu-desktop, how can i remove ubuntu now?
[00:51] <Icari> you cant really remove ubuntu, but you can try to remove gnome
[00:52] <Icari> to *remove* ubuntu you need to format your hard drive
[00:52] <sedeki> yes, gnome
[00:52] <jason__> sedeki: gnome and kde are desktop environments, which are built on top of *buntu (the actual operating system).
[00:52] <sedeki> yes...
[00:53] <jason__> sedeki: you want to remove gnome-desktop, I believe. Look for it in synaptic and remove it.
[00:53] <jason__> did you start on gnome and make your way to kde?
[00:53] <scunizi> !purekde | sedeki
[00:57] <il_rugginoso> hi all
[00:57] <jason__> Icari: ever check out debian?
[00:57] <Icari> nope
[01:04] <jason__> Im downloading it now to check it out
[01:04] <Icari> ok
[01:12] <iconmefisto> jason__: with kde or gnome?
[01:12] <jason__> well I cancelled the download
[01:13] <jason__> I went in debian and it seems theyre still on 3.5 on their stable branch
[01:13] <jason__> When I asked why I got raped with "BECAUES 4.X IS STABLE A SHYT" etc
[01:13] <jason__> I've ran KDE 4 since 4.2 and I find it very solid. Maybe not as solid as 3.5, but its come a long, long way, and I find 4.3 to be the best yet.
[01:13] <iconmefisto> yeah, that's kind of the reason ubuntu was created, frustration with how conservative debian is with updates. but it's rock solid
[01:14] <jason__> yeah
[01:14] <jason__> then of course I asked "besides kubuntu and debian/kde are there any debian based kde distros that are solid to use?"
[01:14] <jason__> and everybody jumped on me about putting *buntu and solid in the same sentence.
[01:14] <jason__> Those wankers really need to wake up and realize they are not the only robust linux distro out there.
[01:15] <jason__> I've ran *buntu for years with exceptionally solid results, and recently Kubuntu with similar results.
[01:16] <Guest70476> anybody knows how to setup adhoc network with knetwork manager?
[01:16] <Icari> try wicd
[01:16] <Guest70476> it shows an optiion of "new adhoc network"
[01:16] <Guest70476> but it does't do anything when i click on it
[01:17] <Guest70476> wot's wicd? :O
[01:17] <Icari> another network manager
[01:17] <Guest70476> ohk, it's network manager
[01:17] <Guest70476> hmm k
[01:18] <Guest70476> can't I make it using knetwork manager?
[01:18] <Guest70476> i hate to run gtp apps on kde :S it looks ugly
[01:18] <Icari> well i have been fighting with a wireless network for half a week and it worked in wicd and not knetworkmanager
[01:19] <jason__> wicd is a gtk ap?
[01:19] <Icari> yea
[01:19] <jason__> news to me
[01:19] <jason__> looks fine to me in kde *shrug*
[01:19] <Icari> you must use a lot of gnome apps
[01:19] <Guest70476> yup i just checked it's website
[01:19] <Guest70476> it says that its gtk
[01:20] <Icari> but if it works it is worth trying
[01:20] <Guest70476> hmm rite
[01:22] <Guest70476> and you know about the "virtual wifi" introduced by m$ in windows 7? is it possible to do similar thing in linux?
[01:22] <Icari> no idea
[01:22] <jason__> never even heard of that in ms
[01:23] <iconmefisto> what does "virtual wifi" mean?
[01:23] <Guest70476> wel it virtualy creates wireless lan cards
[01:24] <iconmefisto> hmm, why?
[01:24] <Guest70476> using your existing wlan card
[01:24] <Icari> sharing a network connection?
[01:24] <Guest70476> ICS
[01:24] <Guest70476> yup internet connection sharing
[01:24] <Icari> never tried it
[01:25] <Guest70476> i've tried it on windows7 and it works too
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> Probably allows the computer to act as an access point
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> Most wireless adapters don't like being an access point and connecting to another access point at the same time
[01:26] <Icari> i would not even TRY that on my card :P
[01:27] <Guest70476> http://www.istartedsomething.com/20091106/latest-intel-drivers-windows-7-virtual-wifi-support/
[01:29] <Guest70476> i also have another USB wlan card, so if i'd make an adhoc network on kubuntu than i can share intrnet on kubuntu rite?
[01:54] <schmidtty> Hello, I installed kubuntu-netbook, moved some plasma widgets around, couldn't get them back to their original location and now have a white background. Any way to get the original plasma setup back or move stragiht to a regular kde desktop?
[01:56] <iconmefisto> try killing plasma-desktop, then restart it
[01:56] <schmidtty> tried that, thanks
[01:58] <iconmefisto> how about deleting plasma-related files in ~/.kde/share/config/
[02:00] <schmidtty> sweet, works
[02:00] <schmidtty> one more thing, how can i switch it to default to plasma-desktop?
[02:00] <iconmefisto> did you have to log out after deleting the files?
[02:00] <schmidtty> yup
[02:01] <iconmefisto> can't help with that, I don't really know anything about kubuntu-netbook
[02:01] <schmidtty> well, thanks for the solution anyway :-) big help for my gf
[02:08] <udee> can i call skype contacts using ekiga?
[02:12] <Kage> udee: no
[02:12] <udee> thats sad
[02:12] <iconmefisto> skype not working for you?
[02:16] <iconmefisto> guess not
[02:21] <rif> hi all
[02:23] <jette> hello all
[02:24] <jette> I am trying to get mums pc to work with her samsung monitor that only seems to support 1360x768 and the resolution is fin but the screen is to big for the display running nvidia drivers
[02:24] <jette> when i add virtual setting to xorg.conf it says it doesnt support this mode
[02:28] <jette> brb
[02:35] <udee> iconmefisto : sorry for not being around.skype works but the audio and video quality is not good
[02:50] <Groose_paloute> hey guy
[02:50] <Groose_paloute> i ve kubuntu with gnome =D
[02:50] <Groose_paloute> work great
[02:50] <Groose_paloute> and u ?
[02:56] <Walzmyn> how can I make knetworkmanager startup when I boot the machine?
[03:02] <scunizi> I just installed kubutu in a multiboot environment.. on first boot and with the live cd sound worked fine.. after updates all I get is a "click" when testing and no boot sound. Where do I start looking for the remedy?
[03:03] <asobi> tried getting the restricted packages?
[03:03] <scunizi> asobi: talking to me? yes.. installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:04] <asobi> then beats me :/
[03:05] <iconmefisto> scunizi: if you have any .wav files, try playing one in konsole with: aplay wave-file.wav
[03:06] <iconmefisto> also does amarok play anything?
[03:06]  * asobi thinks versions after hardy all seem to have some major issues @_@
[03:06] <scunizi> iconmefisto: ok.. one other tidbit.. pulse audio isn't working.. what tries to test is nvidia hda, hdmi, and several others
[03:07] <asobi> try alsa?
[03:07] <scunizi> asobi: don't want to go there yet.  it's a chore
[03:07] <asobi> ah
[03:08] <iconmefisto> scunizi: you could try deleting or renaming ~/.pulse then restart pulseaudio
[03:10] <iconmefisto> alsa will play through pulseaudio anyway, so if pulseaudio isn't working, you won't get any sound
[03:10]  * asobi is a newb -_-
[03:11] <sfears> how can you make a 5th primary partition?
[03:11] <iconmefisto> don't think you can sfears
[03:12] <sfears> iconmefisto: not even a 500MB fat partition?
[03:12] <iconmefisto> 4 primary partitions is the limit, afaik
[03:12] <e_t_> Maximum of 4 primary partitions. There's no limit on logical volumes.
[03:13] <sfears> i have a laptop that can access a fat partition while the computer is off to play .mp3s.. but it won't work off of a logical partition because it's not booted to access the fake part.
[03:14] <iconmefisto> it can access a computer that is off? huh?
[03:15] <sfears> i'm sure there's a way to do it.. it's just not supported well because it's more than likely dangerous to hold more than 4 partitions in memory while restructuring
[03:15] <sfears> iconmefisto: yup.. it has a little a/v control panel, it's neat
[03:16] <iconmefisto> sfears: but if there's no power (if it's really off) then how could it possibly do anything???
[03:16] <sfears> it has battery power... it's a little mp3 player
[03:16] <sfears> that's why it needs the fat partition.. doesn't work off of ntfs
[03:16] <Dragnslcr> Some motherboards have small operating systems on a chip that can do neat stuff like that
[03:17] <Dragnslcr> I think mine can function as an alarm clock
[03:17] <scunizi> iconmefisto: that might be worth a shot.. aplay works from cli.. amorak doesn't.. what's greyed out in sound setup is HDA Nvidia ALL888 analog & digital
[03:18] <iconmefisto> aplay uses alsa directly (without using pulseaudio) so it seems the problem is pulseaudio related
[03:20] <scunizi> iconmefisto: ok. I'll rename .pulse
[03:21] <iconmefisto> sfears: so you need just one primary fat partition. does the disk have space to create new partitions?
[03:22] <sfears> yes it does iconmefisto
[03:23] <iconmefisto> and you already have 4 primary partitions with data on them?
[03:23] <sfears> ntfs, home, root & swap
[03:25] <iconmefisto> sfears: ok swap can be trashed and recreated as a logical partition, then you can make a fat primary and move the music files to it. right? or am I completely confused?
[03:26] <sfears> that might work
[03:26] <sfears> swap on a logical partition won't cause any issues?
[03:27] <iconmefisto> I don't think so, but maybe google to confirm that
[03:27] <sfears> will check
[03:27] <scunizi> iconmefisto: after renaming .pulse do I have to restart the pulse server? if so is "sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart".. the correct way?
[03:28] <iconmefisto> scunizi: that should work. if not, restart X or reboot
[03:28] <sfears> iconmefisto: looks like swap on logical will work fine - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142063
[03:28] <scunizi> iconmefisto: ok.. asking because I know in 9.10 they implemented a different way in some cases.. like pulseaudio service restart .. or similar..
[03:29] <iconmefisto> I think   pulseaudio --kill    and   pulseaudio --start   work too
[03:30] <scunizi> k
[03:30] <sfears> iconmefisto: do you know if i can resize the swap partitions while i'm booted or do i need to use a live disk?
[03:30] <iconmefisto> sfears: I would use livecd
[03:31] <sfears> sounds safer
[03:32] <scunizi> iconmefisto: any way to setup remote desktop so it doesn't authenticate at the host and require a password at the guest..?   I'm wearing a path in the carpet between the living room and office space.
[03:34] <iconmefisto> like ssh without password?
[03:35] <Icari> have you tried x11vnc?
[03:37] <iconmefisto> scunizi: ssh with autologin: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/05/unattended-ssh-login-public-key-ssh-authorization-ssh-automatic-login/
[03:38] <qwebirc25279> I'm having a problem with ubuntu and plan to file a bug, but not sure which package to file under (it is system-wide). Any suggestions?
[03:38] <qwebirc25279> Sorry, meant Kubuntu*
[03:42] <scunizi> iconmefisto: got most of it working.. looks like pulseaudio wasn't installed at all.. once installed and moved to the top of the priority list system sounds started working.. I'll have to work on amorak tomorrow. thanks for the clues :)
[03:43] <iconmefisto> if pulse is working, amarok will probably work too
[03:43] <scunizi> iconmefisto: ssh works find.. I had an issue with the key stored on the guest machine but fixed that..
[03:43] <scunizi> *fine
[04:23] <|sysop|> is there a channel for kubuntu on ppc?
[04:38] <|sysop|> hello?
[04:39] <WilliamBuell> hi
[05:22] <Omar87> Hello there
[05:23] <Omar87> How do I make my bug reports more useful?
[06:04] <jason__> True or False - If I go to Hardware Drivers, select a driver, and hit "remove" it will remove it. Or - is that just a dead button that cannot be removed once it's added?
[06:34] <petr_> how to update firefox in kubuntu?
[06:34] <Guest37644> I have 8.0.14
[06:35] <Guest37644>  how to update firefox in kubuntu?
[06:39] <Thimag> hi
[06:39] <Assguest> hi
[06:39] <Thimag> I think I have busted my system
[06:39] <Thimag> and I really need help, please
[06:39] <Assguest> may be
[06:39] <Thimag> normally,  I only use the shell
[06:39] <Thimag> this time,  I was so stupid not to use it
[06:39] <Thimag> there is a website called "getdeb.net"
[06:39] <Thimag> it does not offer the download-links any more
[06:40] <Thimag> only the "INSTALL" button
[06:40] <Assguest> and?
[06:40] <Thimag> I clicked the Button,  and "Adept Batch" opened
[06:40] <Thimag> it worked for 10 programs
[06:40] <Thimag> I always clicked on "Show Details"  to see what it does
[06:40] <Thimag> everything was fine
[06:40] <Thimag> but then,  I installed "DeVeDe"
[06:41] <Thimag> when I clicked on "Show Details",  I saw that something went wrong
[06:41] <Thimag> unmet dependencies and removing stuff
[06:41] <Assguest> What a hell is "DeVeDe"?  What a fuck?
[06:41] <Thimag> I did "aptitude install"  after that
[06:41] <Thimag> a DVD program
[06:41] <Thimag> I will paste that output to nopaste
[06:44] <Thimag> Assguest, http://pastebin.com/m2485aa78
[06:46] <Thimag> Assguest?
[06:54] <Assguest> reinstall your linux
[06:55] <LA-Snow> what are the advantages of KDE over Gnome?  i haven't used a GUI for Linux since Afterstep
[06:55] <Assguest> To crash linux is difficult deal    but if you did it               you should reintall system
[06:58] <fujimitsu> LA-Snow: its a matter of preferrence. but in the end its more about 'what works for you'
[06:58] <abdifataah> hello
[06:58] <abdifataah> I am Dr. computer
[07:00] <LA-Snow> i have gnome now and i'm putting KDE on this as well.  i should be able to switch between the two by logging out, right?
[07:03] <fujimitsu> LA-Snow: yes, but you'll also have both gnome and kde apps
[07:04] <LA-Snow> when i decide on which one to stick with, what's the easiest way to delete one?
[07:05] <fujimitsu> and in case you want to undo this, let me say that uninstalling either at a later time is rather difficult
[07:05] <LA-Snow> so a fresh install of whichever one i want is the best bet then?
[07:06] <fujimitsu> thats my opinion, yes
[07:07] <fujimitsu> you could dual boot two buntus, one with gnome and one with kde .. thats another way of thinking about it
[07:15] <jaiho> does anyone know how to get the icon for the remaining battery life on Karmic?
[07:15] <jaiho> or do i have to type devkit -power d everytime?
[07:20] <RussellAlan> whats the apt-get for kde?
[07:20] <RussellAlan> sudo apt-get kde-desktop ?
[07:32] <eviljussi01> RussellAlan: sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[07:54] <prince> can someone suggest me a good keylogger
[08:47] <faLUCE> hi. chkconfig has this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chkconfig/+bug/450517  when I try to add a service on 9.10 . What could I use alternatively ? thanks
[09:25] <ocs> hi. if I insert a command in /etc/rc.local it has no effect, after booting, on 8.10 (it seems to work on 9.10) . any idea? thanks
[09:40] <platz1_> i removed dhcp-client and installed dhcpcd because dhcp-client doesn't suport setting the hostname via dhcp now i still don't get the hostname after a reboot, but when i run manually "/etc/init.d/network restart" the hostname gets set by dhcp , what is different during the boot process that it doesn't get set ?
[09:50] <redIago> hey quick question, what package does the start menu fall under? i need to report a bug but i need to get that package name first
[09:52] <redIago> anyone?
[09:54] <redIago> hey quick question, what package does the start menu fall under? i need to report a bug but i need to get that package name first
[09:54] <SilentDis> the kmenu you mean?
[09:54] <SilentDis> i believe that should be kubuntu-desktop
[09:54] <redIago> kk thank you. did you get my first posting of that?
[09:55] <fujimitsu> spamming wont get you ahead quicker.. and i dont think thats the right answer either
[09:55] <SilentDis> yeah, i'm workin on my cellphone here lol
[09:55] <redIago> ohhhh
[09:55] <redIago> shoot sorry
[09:55] <SilentDis> the more i think about it, fujimitsu is right, kubuntu-desktop is the wrapper for the kde environment
[09:55] <redIago> it was like the third time now in a few hours i though quassel had like glitched out or something
[09:55] <redIago> my bad
[09:56] <SilentDis> gimme a moment and let me check to see which, specific package it is
[09:56] <redIago> kk thank you
[09:56] <SilentDis> as i do this... what blew up? :)
[09:57] <redIago> lol how'd you know
[09:57] <SilentDis> well, if you're reporting a bug... ;)
[09:57] <redIago> um i tryed to click and drag a program from the internet catagorie to favorites and my screen went black
[09:57] <redIago> lol good point
[09:58] <fujimitsu> redIago: maybe you can try asking in #ubuntu-bugs.. thats what they do in there
[09:58] <SilentDis> compositing active?
[09:58] <redIago> kk just asked in kde-bugs actually
[09:58] <redIago> yes it is
[09:58] <SilentDis> vid card supports compositing, i assume?
[09:58] <redIago> if by active you mean turned on
[09:58] <redIago> yes nvidia 280m
[09:59] <redIago> over qualified lol
[09:59] <SilentDis> proper driver as well?
[09:59] <redIago> yup but sadly proprietary for lack of a better option
[09:59] <SilentDis> understandable on that one, i run nvidia as well
[10:00] <redIago> the guys on kde-bugs said this "kickoff? kdebase-workspace"
[10:00] <redIago> idk what kick off is but does that sound right?
[10:00] <redIago> sounds more like a boot thing or a login
[10:01] <fujimitsu> !kickoff
[10:01] <SilentDis> yeah, that's what i was leaning towards, but i've seen weird stuff like this due to compositing as well.  I'd say submit to kdebase-workspace, and make sure you note compositing, nvidia propriatary and the version of the nvidia drivers.
[10:01] <redIago> kk thanks
[10:01] <redIago> one last question
[10:01] <SilentDis> as a 'workaround', right click items, choose 'add to favorites' :)
[10:02] <redIago> what is the latest version of kde on kubuntu
[10:02] <SilentDis> bad person to ask here, i'm on ppas for betas hehe
[10:02] <redIago> lol
[10:02] <redIago> ill go find it on kpackage then lol
[10:02] <fujimitsu> 4.3
[10:03] <fujimitsu> 4.4 is the beta
[10:03] <redIago> really wish we had the software center or some equivelent on here lol
[10:03] <SilentDis> kpackagekit 'works', but i admit i'm using synaptic and aptitude cli a lot more frequently
[10:06] <SilentDis> if i could figure out how to get kopete to stop dropping my MSN connection every minute, i'd be a happier camper though lol
[10:06] <SilentDis> gonna go bug #kopete about it :)
[10:06] <redIago> lol looks like we got some bug squashing and feature adding to do
[10:06] <redIago> ;-)
[10:07] <SilentDis> i just found Mangler, so I'm rather happy and good natured as it is lol
[10:29] <marwan> how do i know if i am using 8.4 or 8.10?
[10:30] <marwan> how do i know if i am using Kubuntu 8.4 or 8.10?
[10:40] <pinkisntwell> i tried to install kubuntu on my windows laptop but it can't resize the disks. if i resize with gparted myself, will i still have the option to boot back into windows?
[10:42] <Wicet> pinkisntwell, you should be - at least as long as the OS's are on the same disk (disk0 or something)
[10:43] <pinkisntwell> sda
[10:44] <pinkisntwell> ok so what can i do now, should i try installing again and pick manual resize? i have no idea what partitions are needed
[10:44] <Wicet> In Vista or Win7 you could also try using the disk management to shrink the windows-partition
[10:45] <pinkisntwell> where can i find probable causes for the inability to resize?
[10:45] <pinkisntwell> i want to check what could be going wrong
[10:50] <Bonster> how u get dolphin to display thumbnails for cbr/cbz files?
[11:06] <Mesdag> morning, i wonder if somebody could point out where i can change the max file size for previews in Dolphin (4.3).
[11:12] <Mesdag> lol nvm it moved from view modes to general ^^
[11:18] <TheKro> what is the launcher app for KDE now that Katapult has been retired?
[11:40] <jussi01> TheKro: krunner
[11:48] <soee> hi
[12:03] <dagon_> hey guys, I've got an annoying thing going on here in kde 4.3.4
[12:04] <dagon_> Whenever I close Dolphin a Dolphin windows always stays behind in the taskbar
[12:04] <dagon_> The same goes for konsole
[12:04] <dagon_> why is that?
[12:06] <Walzmyn> dagon_: i've got that, the update notifer won't let me click on it to get new updates and knetworkmanager won't start up a boot time
[12:12] <vargburzum> why LVM2 have 260m? This is insane
[12:13] <Guest31946> No idey
[12:13] <Guest31946> *idea
[12:14] <Guest31946> What is the function of this chat room?
[12:14] <jussi01> Kherr: does it actually have that amount, or is its just read ahead memory?
[12:14] <jussi01> Guest31946: type /topic
[12:14] <Vroomfondle> Guest31946: it is a support channel for Kubuntu.
[12:15] <Guest31946> ah okay, thanks - so I can ask a question an hope for answer? :D
[12:15] <Kherr> i just install LVM2 ;)
[12:15] <Kherr> thats only joke
[12:15] <Kherr> i'm boring... i must wait too long
[12:16] <Guest31946> does someone know how to configure surround sound at the new kubuntu?
[12:17] <soee> Guest31946: kubuntu 9.10 ?
[12:17] <Guest31946> yes
[12:17] <Guest31946> soee: yes^^
[12:19] <soee> Guest31946: i used oss drivers and then with ossxmix enabled surround :D
[12:20] <Guest31946> soee: hmm and what can I do?^^
[12:21] <soee> Guest31946: try the same maybe :)
[12:21] <jussi01> Kherr: you may want to have a look at: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[12:22] <Guest31946> soee: so what excactly do I have to do? I'm not so involved in those technical things XD
[12:23] <soee> Guest31946: go System Settings -> Multimedia and for each output audio options set oss (by default u have alsa prolly)
[12:24] <soee> Guest31946:  than run: ossxmix and set "spread" option to active
[12:25] <dagon_> Guest31946: you can enable it with alsamixer too
[12:26] <soee> brb
[12:27] <Guest31946> soee: but how can I "set oss" for each audio option? There is only "PulseAudio" and 3 VIAs
[12:28] <dagon_> Guest31946: do you know which soundserver you're runnig right now?
[12:28] <dagon_> alsamixer in konsole and you can set surround there
[12:29] <dagon_> wth
[12:29] <Guest31946> dagon_: No, I don't know :D
[12:29] <Guest31946> dagon_: But I try alsamixer
[12:29] <dagon_> i accidently pressed Shift+Ctrl+T
[12:30] <dagon_> Now I've got a couple of views in konsole
[12:30] <dagon_> hth do I undo it? :P
[12:30] <dagon_> wait..
[12:30] <dagon_> Got it
[12:30] <dagon_> stupid shortcuts :P
[12:33] <Guest31946> dagon_: *confused*
[12:33] <Guest31946> dagon_: So what to do in alsamixer?
[12:34] <dagon_> do you see any labels called "surround", "center" etc.?
[12:35] <Guest31946> yes
[12:35] <dagon_> if there's a MM underneath them, press M to unmute them
[12:36] <dagon_> of course you have to have them selected
[12:36] <Guest31946> and also where's written "Independ"?
[12:39] <Guest31946> okay no, thats not possible
[12:39] <Guest31946> and after
[12:39] <Guest31946> that?
[12:40] <dagon_> after that you're surround should work
[12:40] <dagon_> that's how I did it
[12:43] <Guest31946> hmm
[12:43] <Guest31946> now that makes no differen
[12:43] <Guest31946> *t
[12:44] <Guest31946> or do I have to restart?
[12:46] <Guest31946> [13:43:43] <Guest31946> hmm
[12:46] <Guest31946> [13:43:51] <Guest31946> now that makes no differen
[12:46] <Guest31946> [13:43:52] <Guest31946> *t
[12:46] <Guest31946> [13:44:00] <Guest31946> or do I have to restart?
[12:46] <FloodBotK3> Guest31946: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:47] <Guest31946> dagon_: that makes no differece or do I have to restart?
[12:48] <dagon_> Guest31946: can't hurt with a reboot
[12:49] <Guest31946> ok
[12:53] <tobias> no it didn't worked
[13:09] <|kaktus|> Hi! I need help with a logitech quickcam express plus
[13:09] <rfgergrthnre> folks keep tellin me linux is unbreakable but i keep running into dumb issues with my gfx card, wireless, wacom tablet and pci-slot extender
[13:09] <jussi01> |kaktus|: please tell us what is wrong with it?
[13:09] <|kaktus|> I'm unable to get any picture from it at all even though it seems to be working in skype according to various forums
[13:10] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: they are wrong.
[13:10] <rfgergrthnre> heh then i might as well stick to windows
[13:10] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: however, I do beleive it is much better than many of the alternatives.
[13:10] <|kaktus|> It's pitch black in xawtv, cheese and skype
[13:11] <jussi01> |kaktus|: curious, what does dmesg out put when you plug it in?
[13:11] <|kaktus|> I've been reading different forums, and it seems to be related to some messed up config regarding v4l-drivers
[13:11] <rfgergrthnre> why is it better? getting basic stuff to work in linux is a mission and even then i get weird problems
[13:11] <|kaktus|> jussi01: where can i paste?
[13:11] <jussi01> !paste
[13:11] <rfgergrthnre> my system resets if i try to change resolution, my audio randomly mutes, my bars in gnome randomly reset or don't appear
[13:11] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: it depends on what you need from it. if you are looking for security, saftey, reliability etc, its definately the way to go
[13:12] <rfgergrthnre> sorry but thats not better
[13:12] <|kaktus|> jussi01: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d323b009d
[13:12] <rfgergrthnre> maybe the linux kernel is robust, ya, ill grant you that, but everything built on top of it is a hodgepodge of stuff at different levels of maturity
[13:12] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: Im really sorry you are having issues. we can try sort some of those issues if you like, but if you are just here to complain, feel free to return to windows.
[13:13] <|kaktus|> I've read that the newer v4l2 is more common these days, and that's where the problem is
[13:13] <rfgergrthnre> as i said above, jussi01, my system resets for something small like resolution change, and when i hibernate, it doesn't save my stuff... sorry dude but thats not reliable
[13:13] <rfgergrthnre> i dont have a prob with linux but folks need to be honest when trhey promote it
[13:14] <rfgergrthnre> otherwise u will have lots of disillusioned folks
[13:14] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: this is a channel for support. if you would like support, I and others will attempt to help. if you would like to have a grumble, please go elsewhere.
[13:14] <|kaktus|> I tried to get an old camera to work, a quickcam express, by following various forums. I think I might have messed some settings up that way
[13:15] <jussi01> |kaktus|: possibly. it seems the driver is loaded and the cam working
[13:15] <|kaktus|> that's the thing. My problem seems to be somewhat related to the kind of problem this guy has: http://forums.quickcamteam.net/showthread.php?tid=632
[13:16] <rfgergrthnre> jussi01, well, i am asking... why does my system reset when i change resolution?
[13:16] <|kaktus|> jussi01: the only difference is that the picture turns out garbled/black in all the different programs :P
[13:16] <jussi01> |kaktus|: what does "ls /dev/ | grep video" give?
[13:17] <rfgergrthnre> jussi01, i got kubuntu 9.10 32-bit edition
[13:17] <|kaktus|> video0
[13:17] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: please provide some information regarding your system, which graphics card, and... ok, thanks for that
[13:18] <jussi01> |kaktus|: ok, have you tried a different usb port?
[13:18] <|kaktus|> No, I'll do that right now :)
[13:18] <rfgergrthnre> jussi01, nvidia 8600gt 1024
[13:18] <rfgergrthnre> jussi01, it didn't do this with Intrepid
[13:18] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: have you install nvidia's drivers?
[13:19] <rfgergrthnre> jussi01, it started when i reinstalled my system with karmic (after an upgrade left my system unusable and reinstall was the only option)
[13:19] <rfgergrthnre> jussi01, yep
[13:19] <|kaktus|> jussi01: I just noticed something....there is a green light on top of the camera that turns off as soon as I open one of the video-programs
[13:21] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: and how are you attempting to set the resolution?
[13:21] <|kaktus|> anyhow, dmesg says something different now: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d111374c3
[13:22] <|kaktus|> jussi01: unfortunately, it's still black in xawtv
[13:22] <rfgergrthnre> jussi01, through the gnome desktop
[13:22] <rfgergrthnre> er
[13:22] <rfgergrthnre> kde desktop
[13:22] <jussi01> right...
[13:23] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: try running nvidia-settings
[13:23] <fujimitsu> gpu scaling tries to scale to the monitor native resolution automatically..
[13:23] <fujimitsu> on nvidia
[13:24] <fujimitsu> uncheck that option
[13:24] <rfgergrthnre> jussi01, i've been through this already, 3 times
[13:24] <rfgergrthnre> it doesn't help, dammit
[13:24] <jussi01> fujimitsu: thats in the nvidia settings?
[13:25] <fujimitsu> yes
[13:25] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: so youve tried that then?
[13:25] <jussi01> (what fujimitsu just mentioned) ?
[13:26] <|kaktus|> jussi01: do you think replacing the original modules and image file for the kernel is a solution to my problme?
[13:26] <rfgergrthnre> jussi01, when nvidia settings try to write to the conf file, it breaks my system
[13:26] <jussi01> rfgergrthnre: of course the nvidia settings cannot write to the conf file because it isnt runnning as root.
[13:26] <fujimitsu> now thats an entirely other issue
[13:27] <petsounds> rfgergrthnre, do you create nvidia-xconfig?
[13:27] <jussi01> fujimitsu: I need to go back to work, would you mind helping rfgergrthnre some more?
[13:27] <rfgergrthnre> petsounds, how do i do that?
[13:28] <|kaktus|> jussi01: thanks for the help anyway :)
[13:28] <jussi01> |kaktus|: Im sorry I couldnt help more.
[13:28] <|kaktus|> at least there's something
[13:28] <|kaktus|> :)
[13:28] <fujimitsu> unluckyly, checking if gpu scaling was my two cents; maybe he needs reisntall the driver if it cannot write to its .conf ..
[13:28] <rfgergrthnre> well it wasnt exactly help mate
[13:28] <petsounds> rfgergrthnre, sudo nvidia-xconfig and then kdesudo nvidia-settings, choose your desired resolution.
[13:29] <rfgergrthnre> petrovicivan, k
[13:29] <|kaktus|> Is there anybody else here that could try to help me out with my webcam-problem?
[13:30] <|kaktus|> Would a distribution upgrade replace modules and kernel image files?
[13:30] <rfgergrthnre> petrovicivan, no
[13:30] <rfgergrthnre> petrovicivan, still dont work
[13:31] <|kaktus|> I think I'll give that a try
[13:32] <rfgergrthnre> petrovicivan, now its worse than before... it gets stuck at the kubuntu logo
[13:33] <rfgergrthnre> petrovicivan?
[13:33] <fujimitsu> |kaktus|: it shouldnt hurt to upgrade anyway..
[13:33] <rfgergrthnre> |kaktus|, no, dont recommend it
[13:34] <rfgergrthnre> |kaktus|, i tried upgrading, i lost my system
[13:34] <rfgergrthnre> |kaktus|, updates are broken
[13:34] <fujimitsu> no, your system is broken .. thats different
[13:35] <vargburzum> hi! i have a little problem. If i try install lvm2 system tell me: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6 for findutils, probably a dependency cycle.
[13:35] <rfgergrthnre> |kaktus|, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/
[13:35] <vargburzum> if anybody can help me?
[13:35] <Anubis> hi everyone !
[13:36] <jussi01> vargburzum: tried: sudo apt-get install -f
[13:37] <Anubis> short question: is there a program that allows me to make a copy/full backup of a hdd including the free space ??
[13:37] <vargburzum> apt-get install -f don't help
[13:38] <rfgergrthnre> http://blog.arextech.net/index.php/2009/11/problems-with-ubuntu-when-upgrading-to-karmic-koala-mysqld-and-dns-resolution/
[14:23] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[14:56] <gianfranco> ciao
[15:01] <bbroeksema|work> does anyone know if (and if so, where)  there are packages for virtuoso?
[15:08] <ner0x> Anyone know what's up with the new postgresql error?
[15:10] <ner0x> http://paste.ubuntu.com/351287/
[15:11] <ner0x> Would be a paste of the error.
[15:18] <Guest67039> hello everyone. I was wondering if there was anyone here that could help me with a little issue I'm having with Hardware Drivers (aka Jockey). I can't get it to activate the driver and it keeps crashing
[15:21] <iconmefisto> Guest67039: try using jockey-text in konsole instead
[15:23] <Guest67039> iconmefisto: ah excellent, that seemed to work! thanks. a quick reboot and we'll know for sure. thanks again
[15:33] <tyler__> ok well thanks to jockey-text I know have the driver installed and enabled but I cannot get compositing to work. I can enable it but then it disables itself with no messages at all
[15:36] <whyking_> hi
[15:36] <tyler__> any idea what could be causing this to happen?
[15:36] <whyking_> I accidentally removed the autostart option for knetworkmanager.. where can I reset that?
[15:42] <tyler__> whyking_: worst case scenario you could just add it as an autostart option in KDE's menu
[15:42] <whyking_> tyler__: that's what I tried, but it does not work
[15:42] <iconmefisto> whyking_: where did you remove the autostart option?
[15:42] <iconmefisto> in knetworkmanager?
[15:47] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: ping
[15:48] <amichair> hi, I just upgraded to kde 4.3.4 from backports, and I have a 'kdesdk has been kept back'. Why is that?
[15:49] <Riddell> bbroeksema|work: hi
[15:49] <Riddell> amichair: I think backports is being upgraded to 4.3.85 (4.4. beta)
[15:50] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: Hi, do you know if there are already any packages for virtuoso? In other words, how can I make a kubuntu machine ready for trunk development? :)
[15:50] <amichair> Riddell: it was just updated to 4.3.4 (today I think)
[15:51] <DTsan> i am looking for a program that gives me an equalizer on my Line In port on my sound card, any suggestions?
[15:51] <Dekans> Riddell: we will have kde 4.4 in backports repo ?
[15:51] <Riddell> bbroeksema|work: not currently, we are waiting on a 6.0.1 release which will fix the problems with 6.0.0
[15:52] <DTsan> and and i'm still on KDE3, 8.10 i think
[15:53] <Riddell> Dekans: hmm no, it's 4.3.4
[15:53] <Dekans> ok
[15:53] <Riddell> amichair: you'd need to do an  apt-get install kdesdk  to see what it moans about
[15:53] <whyking_> iconmefisto: I think so
[15:53] <whyking_> iconmefisto: some time I started it it gave me that choice
[15:54] <whyking_> iconmefisto: and I made the wrong one
[15:54] <whyking_> iconmefisto: actually, no.. not in knetworkmanager I think
[15:54] <amichair> Riddell: a bunch of unmet dependencies
[15:54] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: So the only option left is compiling from source?! :/
[15:54] <Riddell> amichair: try installing them, eventually it'll give you an answer for what's missing
[15:55] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: virtuoso 5.0.12 (or something like that) is a dep for trunk for quite some time now (as in months).
[15:56] <Riddell> bbroeksema|work: mm, let me try and package it now
[15:56] <bbroeksema|work> Riddell: would be great, kdepim hacking weekend is comming up
[15:57] <bbroeksema|work> and I prefer to bring my quite some faster work laptop (running kubuntu) than my own oldy
[15:58] <amichair> Riddell: I think the mirror wasn't updated, I switched to main site and now a bunch more are being installed. maybe I shouldn't have fixed that 'find best mirror' thing :-)
[15:58] <tyler__> does anyone know why my enabled ATI driver still won't let me start compositing?
[16:00] <Gintulis> hi, how to install Disk Usage Analyzer in kubuntu?
[16:02] <DTsan> anyone know of any good sound board utilities?
[16:12] <iconmefisto> whyking_: do you have /usr/share/autostart/kde4-knetworkmanager-autostart.desktop  ?
[16:12] <tyler__> I am still unable to get compositing to work. I ran jockey-text -C and it printed out "There is no available graphics driver for your system which supports the composite extension, or the current one already supports it."
[16:12] <tyler__> which seems useless to me
[16:12] <whyking_> iconmefisto: yes
[16:13] <amichair> anyone know if thunderbird 3 has been packaged for ubuntu yet?
[16:13] <iconmefisto> whyking_: mine has a line: X-KDE-autostart-condition=networkmanagementrc:General:Autostart:true
[16:17] <whyking_> iconmefisto: mine too.. :-/
[16:24] <ice_age> Any one with recycle bin in their desktop folder?
[16:24] <ice_age> Oh i mean trash
[16:25] <buckethead> ice_age: ?
[16:26] <ice_age> I created one but the icon doesn't change when empty. It always remain full
[16:26] <ice_age> I got the script from ubuntuforum
[16:27] <buckethead> ice_age: Ah. No, I don't.
[16:28] <ice_age> Thanks anyway for responding. Anyway do you know how?
[16:28] <buckethead> the trashcan plasmoid doesn't do what you need?
[16:30] <ice_age> No, it has so limited option. Also it is a habit seeing trash in destop folder.
[16:30] <NamShub> Hello everyone, and happy new year
[16:30] <buckethead> What options would you prefer it have?
[16:31] <ice_age> Like showing the files while hovering on it
[16:31] <NamShub> I am trying to set rekonq as default browser, but 'sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' does not list it as an option... Is it possible to add it manually to the list, or should I just file a bug report and wait?
[16:38] <ice_age> Hello buckethead
[16:38] <buckethead> Hello.
[16:38] <ice_age> I mean what do you say
[16:39] <buckethead> Nada. You?
[16:40] <ice_age> Another problem is the temp files (ending with ~) are  persistent in the folder. Isn't it that they should disappear once you finish editing the file.
[16:41] <buckethead> I don't know the answer to that. They annoy me as well. I go through and scrub them from time to time.
[16:42] <ice_age> Is it because the system is responding slow?
[16:42] <ice_age> That never happens in ubuntu
[16:42] <coreyB> is there anyway to make kubuntu 9.10 download all updates in the background?
[16:45] <whyking_> buckethead: I like your nick :)
[16:47] <buckethead> haha :p
[16:48] <iconmefisto> ice_age: files ending in ~ are backup files, not temp files
[16:49] <ice_age> Ok then why should they show up
[16:49] <iconmefisto> what do you mean, you want them to be hidden? or you don't want backup files?
[16:50] <tuomas_> test
[16:51] <ice_age> Lets agree that. Is there any way to turn it off? If they are backups, there must be someway to turn it of
[16:52] <iconmefisto> ice_age: well what created them? are they files you've edited with kate?
[16:53] <iconmefisto> ice_age: in kate config, you can turn off backups, or have them add an initial dot in filename so it is hidden, etc
[16:53] <ice_age> Well if you touch any file with any editor they are created.
[16:53] <ice_age> Even with gedit
[16:54] <iconmefisto> ice_age: it's a matter of changing the settings of the program that creates them
[16:54] <Pici> iconmefisto: thats an option in gedit's preferences.
[16:55] <Pici> ice_age: ^
[16:55] <ice_age> I understand that but aren't they same as the files that appear in windows when you edit something?
[16:55] <dumblebee100> hey guys
[16:55] <dumblebee100> can we share files using this chat network
[16:56] <iconmefisto> ice_age: no, they are like windows files that change extension to .bak or something similar
[16:56] <Pici> dumblebee100: Can you elaborate?
[16:56] <dumblebee100> not even text files huh?
[16:57] <dumblebee100> I mean I want to send a file to other user ..Im basically new to IRC ..so when Im sending a file ..the network says it blocked file transfer ..
[16:57] <iconmefisto> dumblebee100: you can use pastebin if you want to share text with someone
[16:58] <dumblebee100> if that is a image ..how then?
[16:58] <Pici> dumblebee100: Try http://tinyurl.com/imagebin
[16:59] <dumblebee100> is this not like yahoo file send or something like that
[17:04] <ice_age> iconmefisto: Ok thanks. You cleared my long standing doubt. I have searched long enough for this in ubuntuforums but found none. Good that you cleared this longstanding nuisance in one shot
[17:05] <iconmefisto> ice_age: also the trash question you had, you said you used a script to make the icon?
[17:06] <ice_age> Yes i donwloaded from one of the forums. Pesently there are items but it shows empty. Sometimes it shows full when actually empty.
[17:07] <coreyB> is there anyway to make kubuntu 9.10 download all updates in the background? >.>
[17:08] <iconmefisto> you can create one by right-click, create new, link to location (URL), then enter trash:/ for the URL and any name you want in the file name field
[17:09] <ice_age> Ok i have done it all. My problem is the icon doesn't switch appropriately from full to empty and viceversa.
[17:10] <ice_age> I can live without it but it would be better if i can solve it since i love to play with the system.
[17:14] <wftl> Has anyone, anywhere, ever managed to get a working Akonadi server on 9.10?
[17:14] <iconmefisto> ice_age: add widget, wastebin
[17:15] <ice_age> Ah i tried it but it doesn,t give me the option to quickly view content as given by the desktop one.
[17:16] <ice_age> The funny thing is my script is showing persistently empty while the your method is showing persistently full.
[17:17] <iconmefisto> ice_age: the one made by the script may be showing the wrong location for trash
[17:19] <ice_age> No it isn't. I can clearly see there are no files. Now when i add file to trash no cahnge in either icon while i can see file in both.
[17:20] <ice_age> Again while i empty the trashcan no change in either icon.
[17:31] <Demetrius> hi, all. How can I configure Konversation to make it minimize to tray on closing window instead of quit?
[17:37] <ice_age> Ok i think i found the problem. The script is not running everytime the change occurs in recycle bin. If i just open the file in kate an click save and refresh, the icon shows the true status.
[17:37] <coreyB> Demetrius, correct me if im wrong but i don't think you can, i'd say just use xchat
[17:38] <Demetrius> coreyB fuck, xchat sucks(
[17:38] <ice_age> Is there any way i run the script automatically when there is change in recycle bin.
[17:39] <coreyB> what sucls about it, Demetrius?
[17:39] <Demetrius> coreyB UI, it's awful
[17:40] <coreyB> hmm
[17:40] <Demetrius> Konversation mucj more sexy
[17:40] <coreyB> i see your point, Demetrius, open KpackageKit, and install alltray
[17:40] <coreyB> then open Alltray and click the konversation window :P
[17:50] <lighta> Hi
[17:50] <lighta> I'll need some help about tray bar :(
[17:50] <lighta> It disapear and I don't know how to put it back
[17:51] <iconmefisto> lighta: the system tray, or the whole panel?
[17:54] <lighta> hmm
[17:54] <lighta> I speak bad english sorry
[17:54] <lighta> taskbar ?
[17:54] <iconmefisto> so there is no bar at all at the bottom of the screen?
[17:55] <lighta> yes !
[17:55] <lighta> this one
[17:55] <iconmefisto> ok, right-click desktop, add panel
[17:55] <Riddell> bbroeksema|work: what in trunk depends on virtuoso?  if I run cmake on kdelibs it doesn't mention it
[17:55] <lighta> what the name of that ?
[17:56] <ward__> Hello sometimes I have no sound in kubuntu 9.10
[17:56] <lighta> I don't have this option :(
[17:56] <osos> does kopete support video chat with msn's protocol?
[17:56] <iconmefisto> lighta: in kde it's called panel, and inside the panel you can have the taskbar, system tray, clock, menu button, whatever you want
[17:57] <ward__> I think it is when I shutdown my computer when kmixer is muted
[17:57] <ward__> somebody knows what I can check?
[17:57] <iconmefisto> lighta: do you see a menu when you right-click on the desktop?
[17:59] <lighta> ok thx iconmefisto but I only have this option with rightclick : (open a new windows, create a link, create a url, create a folde, create from a template, open a cmd, search in a folder, paste, office parameter, propiety, and apllications)
[17:59] <lighta> (rough translation)
[18:01] <iconmefisto> lighta: what version kde do you have?
[18:01] <iconmefisto> kde 4?
[18:01] <lighta> I think so let me check
[18:01] <lighta> yes
[18:02] <lighta> I did found a pannel somewhere otherwise
[18:02] <lighta> application > parameter > pannel
[18:02] <lighta> is it ok ?
[18:04] <lighta> (but when I press this panel nothing happen)
[18:07] <iconmefisto> lighta: this is what my menu looks like when I right-click the desktop: http://imagebin.org/78277
[18:08] <lighta> do you wanna see mine ?
[18:08] <iconmefisto> ok. what language is it?
[18:08] <lighta> french
[18:13] <lighta> he doesn't want to screenshot with menu open :(
[18:14] <iconmefisto> lighta: using ksnapshot?
[18:15] <lighta> hmm no
[18:15] <lighta> i'll try
[18:15] <lighta> was pressing screenshot screen in keyboard
[18:15] <iconmefisto> lighta: I made mine with ksnapshot, with 5 second delay, so it waits 5 seconds and then takes snapshot, so you have time to right-click
[18:16] <lighta> oh right
[18:16] <lighta> perfect timing^
[18:18] <lighta> I send it to you
[18:24] <Demetrius> coreyB alltray rules thanks
[18:30] <lighta> here my menu http://zerodatabase.fr/images/guides/temp/menu.jpg
[18:32] <iconmefisto> lighta: it looks like you have kde3 not kde4
[18:33] <iconmefisto> try to start kicker (this is the program for the panel in kde3)
[18:36] <lighta> where is it ? or do you have a command lien to do it ?
[18:36] <iconmefisto> yes, commandline
[18:37] <iconmefisto> type this: kicker &
[18:38] <gdfernandes> Hi guys! I've got shadows on my screen and I don't know how to solve this issue!
[18:41] <iconmefisto> shadows?
[18:44] <lighta> it's like nothing happend
[18:45] <gdfernandes> yes, shadows, they look like those reported here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=335328
[18:47] <gkffcsk> Hey all, how do you play .mkv files in kaffeine/dragon/xine????
[18:47] <TITTI> lista
[18:51] <gdfernandes> It's fixed now! The cable was not connected very well... This was the problem!
[18:52] <iconmefisto> lighta: is kicker running?
[18:52] <lighta> no I told you nothing happen
[18:52] <lighta> or I didn"t notice it
[18:53] <lighta> I check on process
[18:53] <iconmefisto> run this to see if it's running: top | grep kicker
[18:54] <iconmefisto> if it shows nothing, it's not running
[18:54] <lighta> it show nothing
[18:54] <lighta> well i'm stuck in comand line
[18:54] <iconmefisto> ctrl+C to quit that command
[18:55] <lighta> k
[18:55] <lighta> btw when I look I process I clearly see kde4
[18:55] <lighta> is there a cmd wher I can check version
[18:57] <iconmefisto> kded4 --version
[18:58] <iconmefisto> when you tried to run kicker, was there an error message?
[19:00] <lighta> nop
[19:00] <lighta> when I tryed kicker &, cmd windows only closed
[19:01] <lighta> here is a screen of system running  http://zerodatabase.fr/images/guides/temp/sys.jpg
[19:03] <iconmefisto> you have xfce and gnome installed
[19:04] <iconmefisto> what is running now? kde or gnome or xfce?
[19:04] <lighta> xfce 4
[19:04] <lighta> hmm
[19:04] <lighta> idk :(
[19:05] <iconmefisto> lsb_release -a
[19:05] <iconmefisto> that will tell you which version of ubuntu you have
[19:06] <lighta> No LSB modules are available.
[19:06] <lighta> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[19:06] <lighta> Description:	Ubuntu 9.10
[19:06] <lighta> Release:	9.10
[19:06] <lighta> Codename:	karmic
[19:06] <FloodBotK1> lighta: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:06] <iconmefisto> ok
[19:06] <iconmefisto> can you see plasma-desktop in the process list?
[19:07] <lighta> no
[19:08] <iconmefisto> try to start it: plasma-desktop
[19:09] <lighta> asking me to install it
[19:09] <lighta> should I ?
[19:09] <iconmefisto> ok, if it's not installed, I think you don't have kubuntu
[19:10] <lighta> I'll probably gonna have ms ttf issue
[19:10] <lighta> oh ok
[19:10] <lighta> sorry then
[19:10] <iconmefisto> did you install from ubuntu disk? or xubuntu disk?
[19:10] <lighta> xubuntu
[19:11] <lighta> then I have gnome or xfce ?
[19:11] <iconmefisto> lighta: try asking about the panel in #xubuntu
[19:12] <lighta> I did it first
[19:12] <iconmefisto> I think you have xfce
[19:12] <lighta> they send me here
[19:12] <lighta> oh then thx a lot
[19:12] <iconmefisto> but if you install a kde program it will install other kde libraries (like kded4)
[19:13] <lighta> oh then I probably did that
[19:13] <iconmefisto> try running xfce4-panel
[19:14] <lighta> kde remote office I think
[19:14] <lighta> it worked !!
[19:14] <lighta> thxx
[19:15] <lighta> well I had 3 error should I paste them ?
[19:15] <iconmefisto> ok so you are definitely running xubuntu :)
[19:15] <lighta> yeah I know I was running xubuntu but they told me to ask here when I ask for a taskbar
[19:15] <iconmefisto> if you like, but I don't know much about xfce
[19:15] <lighta> (xfce4-mixer-plugin:3017): libxfce4mixer-CRITICAL **: xfce_mixer_get_track: assertion `GST_IS_MIXER (card)' failed
[19:15] <lighta> (xfce4-mixer-plugin:3017): xfce4-mixer-plugin-CRITICAL **: xfce_mixer_plugin_set_card: assertion `GST_IS_MIXER (card)' failed
[19:15] <lighta> (xfce4-mixer-plugin:3017): xfce4-mixer-plugin-CRITICAL **: xfce_mixer_plugin_set_track: assertion `GST_IS_MIXER_TRACK (track)' failed
[19:17] <iconmefisto> looks like a problem with your soundcard's mixer. ask in #xubuntu and show them the error (but use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ instead of pasting in the channel)
[19:18] <lighta> ok thx a lot anyway :)
[19:18] <lighta> you're really nice
[19:19] <iconmefisto> ok good luck lighta
[19:51] <ninni> ciao
[19:51] <ninni> !list
[20:00] <matteo_> if I run ubiquity from an USB drive live
[20:00] <matteo_> what distro will it install?
[20:00] <matteo_> it will just copy the files from the running system?
[20:00] <matteo_> I'm running netbook remix from the usb drive
[20:00] <matteo_> but I want to install a plain kubuntu
[20:02] <biudix> ciao
[20:02] <biudix> !list
[20:05] <petsounds> matteo_, do you mean you are now running Kubuntu netbook edition and you want regular kubuntu desktop?
[20:07] <matteo_> petsounds: yes
[20:08] <matteo_> petsounds: i guess that I could do it just by installing and removing some metapackage
[20:08] <petsounds> matteo_, yes. remove the plasma-netbook, kubuntu-netbook, kubuntu-netbook-default-settings and restart.
[20:09] <matteo_> petsounds: can I do it before installing?
[20:09] <matteo_> i'm booting from USB
[20:09] <matteo_> and I'm installing to HD
[20:11] <petsounds> matteo_, i'm not sure, but you can always remove it later after the installation process done.
[20:11] <e_t_> Sounds like you may want to download the regular Kubuntu ISO and boot from that.
[20:12] <peabody> how do I copy an iso install image to a USB stick WITHOUT using USB creator and installing 50 MB of gnome libraries?
[20:12] <peabody> I can't believe there is no way to like dd this thing
[20:12] <e_t_> dd sometimes works (50% success for me). There's also Unetbootin.
[20:13] <peabody> unetbootin doesn't work for me at all
[20:13] <pinkisntwell> i just installed kubuntu, it worked fine, then i installed the updates and now i get a black screen after loading. i can still launch programs by hitting alt+f2 though
[20:13] <pinkisntwell> what gives?
[20:13] <peabody> it gets me to a boot: prompt, and when I type dbnkrn it unpacks the kernel.. but the kernel panics
[20:13] <peabody> and it dies in boot
[20:13] <peabody> unable to mount root fs on unknown block (8.1)
[20:13] <e_t_> pinkisntwell: press alt+f2 then type plasma-desktop
[20:14] <pinkisntwell> what's that?
[20:15] <petsounds> to start your plasma desktop
[20:15] <e_t_> Plasma is KDE's new desktop. plasma-desktop just starts it.
[20:15] <Klanticus> hello... I have a shell script that runs from a cron job. I want it to display a notification on any running kde session (using kdialog, knotify.. anything). Is there any way to do this?
[20:15] <pinkisntwell> it didn't do anything
[20:15] <pinkisntwell> and what's a plasma desktop
[20:16] <pinkisntwell> i get the little box that lists the components that are loading, then i get the music, the screen fades and i'm left with just a black screen and a mouse cursor
[20:16] <e_t_> pinkisntwell: OK. Open Konsole (alt+f2 konsole) and type plasma-desktop there. That should show you any errors.
[20:17] <Scrappyfoot> I installed ubuntu-desktop, yet it isn't showing up on the login screen. Is this because I choosed KDM or...?
[20:17] <pinkisntwell> many lines of QGraphicsGridLayout::itemAt: invalid index 1
[20:17] <pinkisntwell> QGraphicsGridLayout::itemAt: invalid index 2
[20:18] <e_t_> pinkisntwell: in Konsole, rm ~/.kde/share/apps/config/plasmarc then try plasma-desktop again.
[20:19] <pinkisntwell> i get random beautiful sounds every now and then but youtube videos have no sound
[20:19] <e_t_> is that a new/different problem?
[20:19] <petsounds> Scrappyfoot, try     sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm         then choose GDM
[20:19] <pinkisntwell> no such file or directory
[20:20] <krion> hi
[20:20] <pinkisntwell> no, just providing more information
[20:20] <pinkisntwell> it worked before the reboot, the sound i mean
[20:20] <Scrappyfoot> k, thanks petsounds. Will try now.
[20:20] <pinkisntwell> ok so where is that file? i don't have it
[20:21] <e_t_> I may have gotten the path wrong. type ~/.kde into Krunner (alt+f2 box)
[20:21] <pinkisntwell> yes
[20:21] <e_t_> does Dolphin open?
[20:21] <pinkisntwell> yes
[20:22] <e_t_> click on apps, then config
[20:22] <pinkisntwell> there's no apps
[20:22] <peabody> holy crap, there's one installed under -> system -> usb startup disk creator
[20:22] <e_t_> sorry, share then config
[20:22] <peabody> that's new
[20:23] <pinkisntwell> now?
[20:23] <krion> someone using a b43 ?
[20:23] <e_t_> do you see a lot of text files with names ending in rc?
[20:23] <pinkisntwell> yes
[20:24] <pinkisntwell> there are a couple related to plasma
[20:24] <e_t_> scroll down to the P's and delete anything with plasma in the name.
[20:25] <pinkisntwell> should i run plasma-desktop again?
[20:25] <pinkisntwell> i did remove them
[20:25] <e_t_> Yes. Do it in Konsole so that you can see the output.
[20:26] <pinkisntwell> same
[20:26] <pinkisntwell> as before
[20:26] <pinkisntwell> but the plasma* files were not recreated
[20:26] <e_t_> does anything appear on the desktop or still blank screen?
[20:26] <pinkisntwell> black screen
[20:26] <e_t_> Hmmm.
[20:27] <pinkisntwell> what the heck? why did they have to break it? it worked fine
[20:27] <Scrappyfoot> Installed ubuntu-desktop, but it doesn't show up as an option on the login screen. I tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" and picked gdm, but it's still using kdm. Any ideas?
[20:28] <e_t_> pinkisntwell: if you just installed, you should be able to reinstall and see if that fixes it.
[20:29] <pinkisntwell> what? is that a suggestion?
[20:29] <Scrappyfoot> Should I switch it to GDM manually by editing "/etc/X11/default-display-manager"?
[20:29] <pinkisntwell> can i disable plasma-desktop and revert to the non-plasma one?
[20:30] <e_t_> It's a possibility. Alternately, press ctrl+esc and see if plasma-* is currently running
[20:30] <pinkisntwell> it's not
[20:30] <pinkisntwell> but python is (what the hell?)
[20:31] <e_t_> lots of stuff uses python. Plasma is pretty much everything about KDE4. If you want to escape from it, you'll need KDE3 or Gnome (as far as I know).
[20:31] <Scrappyfoot> brb
[20:32] <pinkisntwell> so how can i learn if i can fix my problem?
[20:33] <e_t_> the other thing to try is sudo aptitude reinstall plasma-desktop
[20:36] <e_t_> pinkisntwell: if you want to learn a solution, Google is your friend.
[20:37] <pinkisntwell> he's not very friendly right now then
[20:37] <pinkisntwell> how can i dump the error stream from plasma-desktop to a file?
[20:38] <e_t_> In Konsole, plasma-desktop >2 error.txt
[20:39] <pinkisntwell> you mean just > ?
[20:39] <e_t_> no, >2, unless you don't want/need to see any output on the screen.
[20:40] <pinkisntwell> Unexpected argument 'error.txt'.
[20:41] <e_t_> OK. do it with just >.
[20:41] <pinkisntwell> you meant 2>
[20:41] <pinkisntwell> google is my friend
[20:41] <e_t_> OK
[20:42] <e_t_> It seems I'm reversed today.
[20:42] <pinkisntwell> here's the error http://pastebin.ca/1737844
[20:43] <pinkisntwell> actually that's truncated, but the two lines in the end repeat more times until the end
[20:44] <amichair> is konversation supposed to use the new notification system? it's own notifications look rather ugly and out of place...
[20:46] <e_t_> pinkisntwell: I'm not well versed in what all of it means, but a google search for "Invalid D-BUS interface name 'org.kde.plasma-desktop.PlasmaApp' found while parsing introspection" turned up lots of results.
[20:52] <pinkisntwell> they're not much help
[20:54] <pinkisntwell> is plasma-desktop using hardware acceleration? maybe it's acting up because i enabled the nvidia driver?
[20:55] <petsounds> pinkisntwell, did you try to ask on #kde ?
[20:55] <pinkisntwell> that's what i'm doing right now but they can't help
[20:56]  * petsounds remember tsimpson for helping him fix his plasma-desktop error few months ago.
[20:57] <pinkisntwell> and what's with the sound? why did youtube videos stop giving sound?
[20:57] <pinkisntwell> everything broke during the update?
[21:07] <pinkisntwell> how can i start the hardware manager? the one that lets you install drivers?
[21:07] <pinkisntwell> which command i mean
[21:08] <Pici> pinkisntwell: jockey-kde
[21:10] <pinkisntwell> can you at least help me with the sound guys?
[21:12] <pinkisntwell> 279 users
[21:12] <lukefeil> mom pinkisntwell
[21:12] <pinkisntwell> mom?
[21:12] <amichair> is there a way to configure windows to close when double-clicking the titlebar icon (on the top left)?
[21:13] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: a moment please
[21:13] <pinkisntwell> oh
[21:13] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: and BTW you have already your answer
[21:13] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: jockey-kde
[21:13] <lukefeil> of course with sudo
[21:14] <pinkisntwell> yes thanks but i was asking about something different
[21:15] <pinkisntwell> i "updated" kubuntu out of the box and lost my desktop and sound
[21:15] <pinkisntwell> can we fix any of those? especially the sound?
[21:15] <pinkisntwell> the annoying sounds that are made when i login are still there, but nothing else works
[21:16] <lukefeil> some information could help (sound doesn't work isn't very helpfully)
[21:16] <pinkisntwell> ok please let me know what information is needed
[21:17] <qamar> hello to everybody
[21:17] <lukefeil> already verified the mixer?
[21:18] <pinkisntwell> no lemme check
[21:18] <pinkisntwell> how do i check that?
[21:18] <lukefeil> click on the sound icon in your taskbar and there is a button "mixer"
[21:18] <pinkisntwell> i don't have any taskbar, it got wiped by the update
[21:19] <lukefeil> k
[21:19] <lukefeil> the command is "kmix"
[21:20] <lukefeil> the PCM have to be at maximum
[21:20] <pinkisntwell> it doesn't do anything, the kmix command
[21:20] <pinkisntwell> it just hangs for a while and then it does nothing
[21:21] <pinkisntwell> i mean it acts like it's loading something
[21:21] <pinkisntwell> but then it does nothing
[21:21] <pinkisntwell> probably the same problem that's keeping plasma-desktop from running. just a guess
[21:21] <lukefeil> when you type just "kmi" and then double-tab
[21:22] <pinkisntwell> i get kmix and kmixctrl
[21:22] <pinkisntwell> if i run either nothing happens
[21:22] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: try "alsamixer" thats a commandline command
[21:23] <pinkisntwell> actually kmix is running but i can't see it
[21:23] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: the commandline programm "alsamixer" do the same job as kmix
[21:23] <pinkisntwell> ok pcm is at zero why did it change and how do i change it?
[21:24] <lukefeil> with arrow left/right you select the PCM channel
[21:24] <lukefeil> and with arrow up/down you change the volume
[21:25] <pinkisntwell> ok that fixed the sound!
[21:25] <pinkisntwell> thanks
[21:25] <pinkisntwell> i still don't know why it stoped by itself though
[21:25] <lukefeil> thats the most recent error, after the update the PCM channel is down
[21:26] <Swinger> any one knows what to do when kaffeine just stopped working without a reason?
[21:26] <lukefeil> easy fixed when you know where to search
[21:26] <pinkisntwell> ok thanks
[21:26] <lukefeil> Swinger: restart?
[21:26] <pinkisntwell> now i don't have a desktop but at least i have sound
[21:26] <Swinger> tried everything already
[21:26] <Swinger> even reinstalled it
[21:27] <lukefeil> Swinger: start kaffeine from the commandline so you have the reason why he aborted
[21:27] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: when you start the plasma-desktop from terminal, what do he answer?
[21:27] <pinkisntwell> http://pastebin.ca/1737844
[21:28] <Swinger> its not aborted, its just take 90% CPU speed and wont show it self
[21:28] <pinkisntwell> can it have something to do with the fact that i installed the nvidia driver at the same time? the proprietary one
[21:29] <pinkisntwell> can you make anything out of the error lukefeil?
[21:29] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: try to restart, after that you make update;safe-upgrade
[21:30] <pinkisntwell> what does that do?
[21:30] <kriss3d> isnt there a gui for formating a harddrive ?
[21:30] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: maybe something with QT
[21:30] <lukefeil> kriss3d: "partitionmanager"
[21:30] <kriss3d> ty
[21:30] <pinkisntwell> safe-upgrade doesn't exist
[21:31] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: i mean "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade"
[21:31] <lukefeil> but first the "sudo aptitude update"
[21:31] <pinkisntwell> so what will that do?
[21:32] <lukefeil> the update will actualise your list with the availabel packets
[21:32] <pinkisntwell> no no i mean the safe-upgrade part
[21:33] <artem> hi all
[21:33] <lukefeil> the safe-upgrade is the same like an upgrade but he make some additional dependences-checks
[21:33] <artem> русские есть?
[21:34] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: safe-upgrade will install the newest version of all your pakets
[21:34] <pinkisntwell> ok i will try that and report back
[21:34] <artem> You speak russian?
[21:35] <lukefeil> no
[21:35] <artem> bad
[21:35] <lukefeil> artem: france, german?
[21:35] <kriss3d> lukefeil:  heh partitionmanager cant handle fat32.. it shows the info but i cant format it ( windows term for delete everything on it)
[21:35] <artem> lukefeil: Ukraine
[21:35] <Joggl|eee> hi guys
[21:35] <artem> hi
[21:35] <artem> I first install Kubuntu
[21:36] <lukefeil> kriss3d: maybe you need some additional paket to handle this format, or try the old "gparted"
[21:36] <lukefeil> Joggl|eee: hi
[21:36] <Joggl|eee> i can't automount data-cds on my new installed kubunut. automount detects audio-cds, video-dvds, ... but no data-cds
[21:36] <artem> Very nice OS
[21:36] <Joggl|eee> lukefeil, hi
[21:38] <lukefeil> Joggl|eee: im not sure but there is a automount plugin for the device manager
[21:39] <Joggl|eee> automount is working... the pc automounts usb-sticks, music-cds and so on :-S
[21:39] <lukefeil> Joggl|eee: are you using a build-in automount oder the plugin?
[21:39] <pinkisntwell> ok i did that but it didn't download or updata anything
[21:40] <Joggl|eee> the kde-automounter that is installed by default
[21:40] <Joggl|eee> hal and dbus
[21:41] <pinkisntwell> and the sound got to 0 again
[21:41] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: was it a clean shutdown?
[21:42] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: or with errors?
[21:42] <pinkisntwell> i used sudo reboot and didn't see any error
[21:42] <lukefeil> k
[21:43] <pinkisntwell> where can i post the error i'm getting from plasma-desktop? so i can get some more help?
[21:43] <lukefeil> !past
[21:43] <mkargar> i wnat run kbluetooth,but,i recieve this error:kbluetooth: error while loading shared libraries: libknotificationitem-1.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:43] <lukefeil> !paste
[21:44] <pinkisntwell> i know that, i already did that
[21:45] <lukefeil> link?
[21:45] <pinkisntwell> http://pastebin.ca/1737844
[21:45] <Qwas> Тут по русски говорят
[21:45] <lukefeil> ah the same as before..
[21:45] <pinkisntwell> indeed
[21:46] <pinkisntwell> i'll post it to the mailing list
[21:46] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: but you have an active X?
[21:46] <genii> !ru | Qwas
[21:46] <pinkisntwell> do you mean if i have a graphical environment? yes?
[21:46] <pinkisntwell> yes
[21:46] <lukefeil> any taskbars, borders, ...
[21:47] <lukefeil> icons,...
[21:47] <pinkisntwell> no taskbars
[21:47] <pinkisntwell> but i get the windows
[21:47] <pinkisntwell> i'm on kubuntu right now
[21:47] <pinkisntwell> using quassel
[21:47] <lukefeil> the windows do they have borders?
[21:47] <pinkisntwell> i'm afraid you're gonna have to describe this a bit better
[21:48] <lukefeil> do you have the little cross in the upper rigth edge to close the window
[21:49] <pinkisntwell> yes
[21:49] <lukefeil> so there is some kind of display manager, i suppose its kdm
[21:50] <lukefeil> hm
[21:52] <pinkisntwell> ok i posted to the mailing-list hopefully i can get an answer
[21:53] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: sorry but i've no idea
[21:53] <pinkisntwell> ok
[21:53] <lukefeil> you say you made an update?
[21:54] <lukefeil> 9.04 to 9.10 ?
[21:55] <pinkisntwell> no, 9.10 to itself
[21:55] <pinkisntwell> i just installed 9.10 and then installed the updates it found
[21:56] <lukefeil> modifyed source.list ?
[21:57] <lukefeil> pinkisntwell: i would like to help but i have to go
[21:57] <pinkisntwell> no
[21:57] <lukefeil> good luck
[21:59] <pinkisntwell> thanks
[22:01] <reagleBRKLN> i was running 4.3.4 out of ppa, and then saw new debs come in through backports, but now i'm in a mess.
[22:09] <S7yx> #orgros.org
[22:37] <jeisma> i just installed 8.04, but no wireless networks show up under network manager
[22:37] <jeisma> could anyone help me?
[22:39] <Fanfare> jeisma: why 8.04? current is 9.10
[22:41] <jeisma> Fanfare: when I tried installing 9.10, my computer would freeze
[22:41] <jeisma> anybody know how to get wireless networks to show up in my network manager?
[22:42] <Fanfare> jeisma: did u try alternative cd? or safe settings?
[22:42] <jeisma> Fanfare: cd. im not really concerned with an updated OS, i just upgraded from 7.10
[22:44] <Fanfare> hm, u know your hardware is supported under that ubunut version? im not familiar with wlan...
[22:44] <jeisma> how would i know?
[22:45] <Fanfare> google device ids on ubuntu forums...
[22:47] <devilsadvocate> jeisma, isnt 8.04 out of support yet?
[22:50] <genii> 8.04 is supported until early 2011 (on Desktops)
[22:50] <devilsadvocate> jeisma, my mistake. it seems 8.04 was/is an LTS release
[22:50] <jeisma> yup
[22:51] <jeisma> anyone know how i can get wireless networks to show up?
[22:51] <devilsadvocate> what hardware?
[22:52] <devilsadvocate> jeisma, also, i've found wicd is somewhat nicer, although it does have its drawbacks
[22:52] <jeisma> devilsadvocate what is wicd?
[22:52] <devilsadvocate> jeisma, i'd start by making sure your wireless card is detected and the driver is working
[22:52] <jeisma> i used this, but it didnt help
[22:52] <jeisma> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/internet/C/troubleshooting.html
[22:52] <soee> any idea how to connect to core server with kmldonkey ?
[22:53] <jeisma> i did lshw -C network
[22:53] <jeisma> and it sees my RTL 8185 Wireless Lan Controller
[22:56] <jeisma> well it lists it at least
[22:56] <jeisma> i was disconnected
[22:56] <jeisma> anyone say anything?
[22:58] <coreyB> whats the key to see hidden files?
[22:58] <rstob911> go to view then show hidden files
[22:59] <coreyB> ahh i kept pushing ctrl + H lol
[22:59] <Fanfare> coreyB: ls -a or <alt>+<.>
[23:01] <subito> is there a way on kde so that when i move a window, the window does not render in real time?
[23:04] <FireCrotch> subito: System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Moving -> Uncheck "Display content in moving windows"
[23:05] <subito> FireCrotch: thanks :)
[23:26] <Planetary> well I tried to straighten out a computer running compiz. it boots up with compiz but it was not selected under default programs. well i selected compiz to be defaul window manager like my other computer and now when it boots after the login jingle  the screen goes black with teh curser on the screen and does nothing
[23:28] <Planetary> i manually restart it and i get to the same place. how can i fix or stop this or load kwin. also conrtrol alt backspace does nothing. same with cont alt del and cont alt e
[23:33] <jwill> Planetary: You can probably set kwin as the default window manager from the command line
[23:33] <Planetary> ok how would i do that without logining in normally. also i have auto login on
[23:33] <jwill> Planetary: I guess you can't just do alt+F2 and run kwin --replace, if nothing else works
[23:34] <jwill> Planetary: Well, you can always access a terminal by pressing Ctrl + Alt + F1 (Before you do that: press Ctrl + Alt + F7 to get back)
[23:34] <Planetary> i have about 5 seconds after login to do stuff befor it goes black, i dont know if it is still operating or not while black
[23:36] <Planetary> ok so then when i am at teh terminal i do kwin --replace? then what?
[23:38] <jwill> Planetary: Um, nope.  I don't know how to set the default window manager.
[23:38] <jwill> Planetary: You could try removing compiz, since that presumably caused the problem
[23:38] <Planetary> jwill: I am not familiar with using the terminal outside of the desktop environment
[23:39] <jwill> Planetary: "sudo aptitude purge compiz" might do it
[23:39] <jwill> Planetary: That removes settings too
[23:40] <Planetary> jwill: ah ok
[23:41] <Planetary> jwill: is there like a 'safe mode' i could go into and change the default programs (in system settings)
[23:41] <jwill> Planetary: Yeah, there is.  I've never used it, so not sure what it does
[23:42] <jwill> Planetary: I think it's in the "session" menu on the login screen
[23:42] <Planetary> jwill, is it liiek the windows safe mode
[23:42] <Planetary> jwill. how do i get to teh login screen if i am on auto login
[23:43] <goa> zazebaszcze
[23:43] <Daughain> Morning again, jwill.
[23:43] <jwill> Planetary: Doesn't doing anything in the login screen stop the 5 second countdown?
[23:43] <jwill> Daughain: Afternoon :D
[23:44] <Daughain> Let me pull up term and I'll let ya know if there was an instal issue.
[23:45] <Planetary> jwill, not sure. mine goes from the kubuntu load bar to teh loading splash screen then to the DE
[23:45] <Daughain> jwill,  Kdebase install went fine, no errors.
[23:46] <jedix> Daughain: `apt-get -f install` is okay?
[23:46] <jwill> Daughain: Did you just install it now?
[23:46] <jwill> Planetary: Just a second, looking up how to disable that from terminal
[23:47] <Daughain> jedix yes, no issues
[23:47] <Daughain> jwill   No, about two hours ago now, I guesss.
[23:47] <jedix> 9.10 fresh install?
[23:47] <Planetary> Jwill: thanks man
[23:47] <Daughain> jedix,    ABout four days old, I beleive.
[23:48] <Daughain> jedix,    Maybe 7.
[23:49] <jedix> Daughain: and what happens?
[23:49] <jedix> colors are messed up?
[23:50] <Daughain> jedix,   How do you mean? Nothing has changed since I instaled this stuff a couple of hours ago. The system settings window shows the theme settings, but nothing else is affected at all.
[23:50] <Daughain> And, I am using file browser to check.
[23:50] <jwill> Planetary: Just do Ctrl + Alt + F1 and type "sudo aptitude purge compiz
[23:51] <Daughain> jedix,   I am currently using the Obsidian Coast theme.
[23:51] <Planetary> then reboot? whats terminal for reboot. halt is shutdown right?
[23:52] <Planetary> jwill: then reboot? whats terminal for reboot. halt is shutdown right?
[23:52] <jwill> Daughain: Could you take a screenshot and post it here: http://imagebin.ca/ ?
[23:52] <jedix> reboot
[23:52] <Daughain> jwill   I'll try. =)
[23:54] <jedix> Daughain: I'd try moving the .kde directory out of the way
[23:54] <jwill> Daughain, jedix: Yeah, that's a good idea.
[23:55] <Daughain> Once the site loads I'll post the screeshot.
[23:56] <Daughain> http://imagebin.ca/view/d_web0j.html
[23:56] <jwill> Daughain: Well that clears stuff up.  Wow.
[23:56] <jwill> Daughain: KDE themes only apply to KDE applications
[23:57] <Daughain> The black in the bg is Xchat, which I mnaually changed the color on.
[23:57] <jedix> you're still running gnome
[23:57] <Daughain> Ok.....SO what good is kde as a 'desktop' environ then?? =)
[23:57] <jwill> Daughain: This is normal behaviour.  GNOME applications have their own themeing stuff.
[23:57] <jwill> Daughain: You need to choose 'KDE' as your session at login.
[23:58] <Daughain> Lemme reboot and see what happens.
[23:58] <jedix> wait
[23:58] <jedix> no
[23:58] <jedix> don;t reboot
[23:58] <jedix> log out
[23:58] <jwill> Daughain:  Don't
[23:58] <FloodBotK1> jedix: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:58] <Daughain> OK, gimme a min..
[23:58] <jedix> wait
[23:58] <jwill> Planetary: So did that work?
[23:58] <jedix> what you need to do is select the session type as kde
[23:59] <jwill> Daughain: It's a little menu at the login screen, probably at the bottom of the screen
[23:59] <jwill> Daughain: Called "Session"
[23:59] <jwill> jedix: So that was...
[23:59] <jedix> yeah