[00:08] <pasjr> how many software sources are up for Ubuntu lucid 10.04
[00:10] <BUGabundo> pasjr: prob the same as in every other release
[00:10] <BUGabundo> give or take a few
[00:10] <BUGabundo> my synaptic counts a little over 30k packages
[00:11] <BUGabundo> but I have a few PPAs
[00:11] <pasjr> I was looking but I not found any, tried some of the ones from 9.10 but they seem to cause conflict
[00:14] <yofel> pasjr: hm? define what you understand under 'software sources'
[00:15] <pasjr> system>Admin>SoftwareSources-othersoftware
[00:16] <pasjr> maybe I have misunderstood something
[00:17] <yofel> pasjr: othersoftware are ppa repositories or other external repos
[00:18] <yofel> pasjr: if you want to know if a ppa has software for lucid i fear you'll have to check every ppa if it does
[00:18] <BUGabundo> yofel: *non* official supported repos
[00:18] <pasjr> ok and is there a reason when I try the ones from 9.10 in 10.04 I get conflicts one each one
[00:18] <yofel> BUGabundo: ok, makes more sense, thx
[00:27] <virtuald> do anyone else get cannot allocate memory errors?
[00:36] <hggdh> 9/quit
[00:36] <pasjr> ok well I am going to play around and see if I cant break my system
[01:02] <alex_mayorga> OK, this can't be good, when I do lspci I get "Bus error", what can it be?
[01:43] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, did that flash installer work or not?
[03:08] <Manchuriano> Hello there, hola amigos !
[08:14] <coz_> any issues with nvidia drivers  with alpha 1 so far?
[08:36] <RAOF> coz_: I don't think that the binary drivers in the archive actually work with our X server yet.
[08:39] <coz_> RAOF,  oh ok   thanks... I found out the hard way :(
[09:19] <mac_> hi guys happy 2010!
[09:36] <om26er> netbook launcher give segfault.
[09:44] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[10:45] <BUGabundo_work> !test
[12:21] <om26er> !test
[13:40] <BUGabundo_work> not +1 question, but u guys are savy enough
[13:40] <BUGabundo_work> anyone knows the eeepc bug with intel and gdm 2.20 ?
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> i have an eeepc, is gdm 2.20 used in karmic?
[13:45] <BUGabundo_work> not sure
[13:45] <BUGabundo_work> its what my friend said he has
[13:48] <yofel> Ian_Corne: karmic uses gdm 2.28 by default, but you can install gdm-2.20 from the repository
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> ah nvm then, i'm using the default one
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work> why would someone do that?
[13:49] <BUGabundo_work> and then complain it doesnt work?!
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> because they  don't like the look
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> nope
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> he is saying it doesnt work in eeepc
[13:50] <BUGabundo_work> users are on diferent networks or something
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> after logout , cant login again
[13:51] <BUGabundo_work> its used in schools
[13:52] <Ian_Corne> 2.20 is the jaunty default
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> yah
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> one more user that doesnt know canonical delayed new GDM for 3 cycles
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> Well we're using the 2.20 on regular pc's here in the computer rooms with NIS
[13:55] <Ian_Corne> works fine
[14:01] <BUGabundo_work> i've asked him to report
[14:02] <BUGabundo_work> prob is, no matainence, and no support upstream
[14:02] <BUGabundo_work> a co worker just got an upstart upgrade that mess his init scripts ... eheh
[14:02] <BUGabundo_work> i love this broken upgrades
[14:30] <BUGabundo_work> hey akgraner
[14:30] <BUGabundo_work> how was xtmas?
[14:30] <akgraner> BUGabundo_work, was great and yours?
[14:31] <BUGabundo_work> great
[14:31] <BUGabundo_work> New Year better
[14:31] <BUGabundo_work> lots of fun and partying
[14:37] <BUGabundo_work> akgraner: ?
[14:39] <akgraner> BUGabundo_work, nah not too much.. just spent time with family and friends... getting organized
[14:39] <akgraner> and ready to take on 2010..:-)
[14:39] <BUGabundo_work> u are late
[14:39] <BUGabundo_work> it already started
[14:49] <akgraner> haha
[14:55] <BUGabundo_work> "Digging deeper, I learned that there are many cron systems available for GNU/Linux. It appears Arch Linux is shipping dcron by default (Dillon’s cron), Red Hat has forked Vixie cron to cronie, and Debian and Ubuntu both utilize or will utilize Upstart, which will eventually replace cron entirely. It’s my understanding that launchd on Mac OS X has also replaced cron (although I haven’t verified)."
[14:55] <BUGabundo_work> i did not know upstart would replace Cron
[15:25] <bjsnider> i thought upstart and cron were doing two different things
[15:25] <bjsnider> you can't schedule scripts to run with upstart can you?
[15:27] <BUGabundo_work> no idea
[15:27] <BUGabundo_work> all new to me
[15:28] <joaopinto> bjsnider, they are two different things, that comparison does not make sense
[15:29] <joaopinto> there seems to be a plan to implement time based events (cron alike) on upstart
[15:30] <joaopinto> which is a different story :)
[15:35] <BUGabundo_work> joaopinto: well jneves is lossing that war :D
[15:44] <floating1> is ext2 ext3 or ext4 best choice on ubuntu 9.10 with p2 400mhz command-line install
[15:45] <floating1> old pc
[15:45] <floating1> is ext4 not a good choice
[15:46] <ccooke> ext4 is the best choice of those
[15:46] <floating1> ok ty
[15:46] <ccooke> it's faster than ext3 but has much better protection than ext2
[15:47] <joaopinto> except when it's bugged :P
[15:47] <BUGabundo_work> joaopinto: most known bugs are fixed at the moment
[15:47] <ccooke> that's the case with any fs :-)
[15:47] <BUGabundo_work> for kernel 2.6.31+
[15:48] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_work, the bug which caused corruption on large files during karmic's release is already fixed ?
[15:48] <ccooke> and the worst "bug" reported against ext4 (well, declaimed against, anyway) was just an example of people assuming that all filesystems work in the same manner ;-)
[15:48] <BUGabundo_work> yep
[15:48] <BUGabundo_work> 2.6.30 FYI
[15:49] <BUGabundo_work> ccooke: in 2.6.31
[15:49] <BUGabundo_work> the io truncate
[15:49] <ccooke> BUGabundo_work: *nod*
[15:49] <joaopinto> ccooke, nthere have been other bugs reported later, related to other cenarios
[15:50] <ccooke> joaopinto: I'm aware. I've not seen any others quite so plastered all over the internet. Hence 'declaimed' ;-)
[15:51] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_work, you are not correct, bug 453579 is not fixex yet
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> fix released
[15:53] <BUGabundo_work> its "fixed"
[15:54] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_work, on the release notes, it's documented, not fixed
[15:55] <genii> Bleh. 18MB downloading of updates but only 20.5kB additional space to be used.
[15:57] <joaopinto> isis an Elephant File System alike for linux besides NILFS ?
[15:57] <joaopinto> is there
[16:02] <BUGabundo_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm-2.20/+bug/491483
[16:02] <BUGabundo_work> Ian_Corne: ^^^^^
[16:08] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo_work: ?
[16:08] <Ian_Corne> aha
[16:09] <Ian_Corne> Why would people actually use the lower version ?
[16:30] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo_work, ya, ya, ya... :p
[16:31] <cwillu_at_work> you forget where somebody lives _one_ time, and they start sending you location updates via google latitude :p
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> :p
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> updating my list
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> generating _some_ spam mail
[16:31] <BUGabundo_work> gonna to a android lunch this weekend, trying to track everyone going
[16:32] <BUGabundo_work> in the mean time, also trying to get some other friends
[16:39] <cwillu_at_work> fancy
[16:39] <cwillu_at_work> wait, lunch or launch?
[16:43] <BUGabundo_work> lunch
[16:43] <BUGabundo_work> next sunday
[16:43] <BUGabundo_work> "Leitao" google it
[16:43]  * cwillu_at_work gets distracted by mention of lunch
[16:43] <BUGabundo_work> http://www.google.pt/search?aq=0&oq=leitao+da+b&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=leitao+da+bairrada
[16:43]  * cwillu_at_work goes for lunch
[17:06] <schilli> I booted lucid in an Eee 1005hab.  I hooked up an external monitor and it recognized it, but when I tried to make the monitors not mirror the desktop and panels went away!  The cursor was still there and moved correctly between the two monitors.
[17:33] <Robschilli> I'm playing around with Lucid on my Eee PC, where should I post the results?
[17:34] <BUGabundo_work> Robschilli: any prob or just success?
[17:35] <BUGabundo_work> usually u could try laptop testing ml
[17:36] <Robschilli> Well, I had success plugging an external monitor in, but when I tried to make the non-mirror, I had problems
[17:36] <Robschilli> the desktop went away, but the cursor acted fine between the two monitors
[17:37] <yofel> that sounds like a bug
[17:37] <Robschilli> I'm back in Karmic now, but I can pull up the logs
[17:38] <yofel> Robschilli: you do have a intel GPU?
[17:39] <Robschilli> CPU? it is an atom
[17:39] <yofel> Robschilli: Gpu, your graphics card ;)
[17:40] <yofel> run 'lspci | grep VGA' in a terminal if you're not sure
[17:41] <Robschilli> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[17:41] <yofel> ok, the same as me then :)
[17:42] <Robschilli> doing what i did works fine in Karma
[17:42] <yofel> Robschilli: can you try lucid again, and maybe run 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel' after reproducing the bug?
[17:43] <Robschilli> I can do that from the ttys?  the desktop and all functionality goes away
[17:43] <yofel> you can run it from a tty and save the report to send it later if your mouse is all that keeps working
[17:43] <Robschilli> ok
[17:46] <Robschilli> brb, rebooting.   I'll letya'll know how it went
[18:09] <schilli> I'm back, (nick before was robschilli)  I was having problems with multiple monitors on an Eee...
[18:11] <schilli> I was supposed to run ubuntu-bug xserver.org-video-intel...   xserver.org-video-intel does not exist...
[18:12] <pasjr> How do I force on fan with 10.04?
[18:12] <pasjr> I use a Toshiba Satellite A505D, running Ubuntu lucid
[18:14] <yofel> schilli: the package is xserver-xorg-video-intel
[18:15] <schilli> looking up the bash history and I typed ubuntu-bug xserver.xorg-video-intel
[18:16] <yofel> yep, wrong package name
[18:17] <schilli> dash not dot...  oops.   can I just edit the bash history so the right name pops up?
[18:18] <yofel> hm... not sure, should work
[18:19] <yofel> yep, editing .bash_history  does work :D
[18:20] <pasjr> Fancontrol issues
[18:20] <schilli> I just edited a correctly typed future...   brb
[18:23] <pasjr> can anyone tell me how to set Fan to on, or at least change operating temps?  I have tried to do what I did in 9.04 but can not find that file in 10.04
[18:25] <yofel> pasjr: which file?
[18:25] <yofel> (note: I have no idea how to control fan speeds by hand)
[18:26] <pasjr> can not remember, it was in ect/init.d/fancontroll.  there was a list of temps you could change.  but 10.04 no list
[18:27] <pasjr> my laptop is running hotter than I like, and need to force on fan
[18:28] <yofel> pasjr: do you have 'lm-sensors' installed?
[18:28] <pasjr> yes,and I am at 52deg C
[18:29] <pasjr> the rest of lm-sensors dose not work on tosh
[18:29] <yofel> thats odd, /etc/init.d/fancontrol belongs to the lm-sensors package
[18:29] <pasjr> tell me about it, I had that file before I ever installed lm-sensors
[18:30] <yofel> hm, so controlling fan speeds worked before with fancontrol and doesn't now?
[18:30] <pasjr> that is correct
[18:31] <pasjr> a big part of my problem is my tosh it is not very linux friendly, have to do alot of modification to use tools
[18:31] <yofel> I think you should file a bug against lm-sensors then and tag it with 'regression-potential'
[18:32] <yofel> well, gotta run for now, bbl
[18:32] <pasjr> ok me too im out
[19:06] <schilli> "ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel" returns: cannot report, not a genuine ubuntu package
[19:17] <yofel> schilli: do you have the xorg-edgers ppa installed?
[19:18] <schilli> not if it was not in there by default
[19:19] <yofel> that doesn't make sense then
[19:19] <yofel> it should only give that error on ppa and self installed packages
[19:20] <schilli> I did find that with one or the other monitor turned off, they both worked fine at all resolutions
[19:22] <schilli> it was only when the monitor was set to 1280:1024 or 1024:786 that things got hairy
[19:37] <schilli> I have to go soon, is there a forum or something I should be on?
[19:38] <yofel> schilli: since this is an issue with X, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-x
[19:39] <genii> !info whiptail
[19:42] <schilli> yofel: ok, I'll be going over there...
[21:01] <genii> bjsnider: The libbluray stuff is in your PPA ?
[21:04] <DilbertDave> Hi - I can't login to Lucid using testdrive - didn't need username/password last time
[21:05] <alkisg> DilbertDave: you mean the live cd? It's a known problem, I think it's fixed and it'll be soon commited...
[21:06] <DilbertDave> Not a live cd - using the Testdrive app. Used it before and it worked fine but now I get the login screen and can't find a username/password listed anywhere
[21:11] <DilbertDave> Odd - I stopped the VM and restarted it and it's now as if I was running from a Live CD. I'll see if it does it again the next time I pull down the daily build.
[21:11] <bjsnider> genii, i'm finishing off the builds now
[21:12] <bjsnider> genii, what distro are you in right now?
[21:12] <DilbertDave> Bah - spoke too soon! Still doing it - refuses to accept any username, just jumps back to login screen.
[21:13] <guntbert> DilbertDave: what is testdrive?
[21:15] <DilbertDave> It lets you download and test the latest dev builds: https://launchpad.net/testdrive
[21:18] <genii> bjsnider: I'm on 64 bit Lucid, using mainly KDE4.4b2 as DE (although GNOME is also installed)
[21:19] <guntbert> DilbertDave: good to know - thx
[21:19] <genii> bjsnider: I don't have any BluRay discs here at work to test with but can bring tomorrow
[21:19] <bjsnider> oh
[21:19] <bjsnider> makes it somewhat troublesome to test then
[21:26] <genii> bjsnider: If you're still around in an hour and a half, I can snag a network cable from work and test from home (KDE Network Manager is problemmatic for me right now on wifi connections but works fine on cable)
[21:26] <bjsnider> i might not have a working build by then
[21:29] <genii> bjsnider: Should i just check back in tomorrow then?
[21:33] <bjsnider> genii, are you going to be here tonight?
[21:33] <bjsnider> or is this already night where you are
[21:34] <genii> bjsnider: It's 4:30-ish PM here, I'm done work at 5, home about 6 (An hour and a half from now). I could stay on from there 4-6 hours if need be
[21:36] <bjsnider> well, i may get it finished tonight, and i may not
[21:36] <bjsnider> if i do there might be someone else around that has a bluray player to test
[21:36] <bjsnider> so it's up to you
[21:38] <genii> bjsnider: I'll just check back in later tonight I guess :) I'm anxious to test since it means one less thing I need to run Windows for if it works
[21:48] <bjsnider> genii, i'm not a c programmer so i'm having to figure out these api mismatches flyin' blind
[22:34] <BUGabundo> sup o/
[23:45] <biker_rat> How do I reverse safe grapgics mode?
[23:46] <biker_rat> graphics
[23:47] <biker_rat> Anybody know how to reverse safe graphics mode?
[23:49] <biker_rat> OK, you are using an xorg.conf.