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| pitti | Good morning everyone! happy new year | 06:28 |
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| lool | pitti: happy new year to you too | 07:43 |
| pitti | bonjour lool | 07:43 |
| * pitti -> supermarket, bbl | 07:43 | |
| pitti | lool: had some nice holidays? | 08:21 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone (and welcome back) | 08:40 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson, happy new year! | 08:40 |
| chrisccoulson | happy new year to you too pitti :) | 08:40 |
| chrisccoulson | did you have a nice break? | 08:40 |
| pitti | I did, very relaxing; we painted some rooms, did some major cleaning, lots of family events, and tons of snow \o/ | 08:41 |
| seb128_ | hey there | 08:41 |
| seb128_ | happy new year! | 08:41 |
| chrisccoulson | excellent, sounds good | 08:41 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128_, happy new year to you too | 08:41 |
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| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson, how are you? | 08:42 |
| seb128 | had good holidays? | 08:42 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 08:42 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 08:42 | |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, good thanks, although quite busy with family visiting all the time | 08:42 |
| chrisccoulson | did you have a good holiday too? | 08:42 |
| seb128 | yes, very relaxing | 08:42 |
| seb128 | lot of doing nothing and familly seeing | 08:43 |
| seb128 | that's always good ;-) | 08:43 |
| seb128 | I manage to barrely touch the computer | 08:43 |
| seb128 | which is a good thing to do once a year too | 08:43 |
| seb128 | hum | 08:47 |
| seb128 | not looking forward email catching up after those two weeks now | 08:48 |
| seb128 | let's grab coffee first | 08:48 |
| seb128 | brb | 08:48 |
| pitti | seb128: good luck! | 08:50 |
| pitti | seb128: is it actually so bad? | 08:50 |
| pitti | I just spent an hour on them yesterday to get them back to 0 | 08:50 |
| pitti | it was pretty quiet over the holidays | 08:50 |
| pitti | s/0/3/ | 08:50 |
| lool | pitti: Yup, how about you? good holidays? | 08:52 |
| pitti | lool: indeed; lots of fresh air, family, and gaming; and only some hacking | 08:52 |
| * pitti played Battle for Wesnoth a lot | 08:52 | |
| lool | haha | 08:53 |
| seb128 | lool, hey, happy new year! | 08:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, not bad but if you want to overview the bugsmails... | 08:56 |
| seb128 | it usually takes me 2 hours after a weekend | 08:56 |
| pitti | yeah, I didn't touch those yet | 08:56 |
| seb128 | so after 2 weeks | 08:56 |
| pitti | I just followed up on the high-urgency ones (subscribed/assigned) | 08:56 |
| pitti | my +ubugs folder is full again :( | 08:56 |
| seb128 | I've installed ubuntu on my cousin's laptop yesterday, that's a fail btw | 08:57 |
| pitti | karmic? | 08:57 |
| seb128 | yes | 08:58 |
| seb128 | no eth nor wifi working | 08:58 |
| seb128 | which is fixed in a linux sru done in december | 08:58 |
| seb128 | I had to download the deb and copy it over usb key | 08:58 |
| seb128 | and I still have no bluetooth | 08:58 |
| seb128 | and screen doesn't come back from suspend | 08:58 |
| seb128 | which I'm not sure how to debug | 08:58 |
| seb128 | it's a toshiba laptop, I would not recommend those for ubuntu | 08:59 |
| seb128 | jockey is a fail too, it activates fglrx but still mark it as not activated | 08:59 |
| seb128 | ie the xorg.conf is correctly update and fglrx loaded in Xorg.0.log but the jockey UI still say it's not used | 09:00 |
| tseliot | seb128: in lucid? | 09:02 |
| seb128 | tseliot, no, karmic | 09:06 |
| seb128 | tseliot, it's early to install lucid on a luser box | 09:06 |
| tseliot | seb128: this is why I asked ;) | 09:07 |
| seb128 | my cousin is a student and need to box to get work done and is nothing of a computer person | 09:07 |
| seb128 | to box -> the box | 09:07 |
| tseliot | seb128: does the fglrx driver work? | 09:08 |
| seb128 | the videocard is a radeon hd 4500 m92 I think | 09:08 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure actually but I think so by looking through the xorg log | 09:08 |
| tseliot | or is it just that jockey shows it as disabled? | 09:08 |
| tseliot | seb128: can I see the log? | 09:08 |
| seb128 | and 2d performance are slugish, ie you can the trail when moving things on screen | 09:08 |
| seb128 | tseliot, with fglrx? | 09:09 |
| tseliot | yep | 09:09 |
| seb128 | give me a few minutes, I cleaned that yesterday | 09:09 |
| seb128 | I thought it might be what was breaking resume | 09:09 |
| seb128 | but it has the same issue using ati | 09:09 |
| seb128 | I will install it again now | 09:10 |
| tseliot | ok | 09:11 |
| lool | seb128: Happy new year to you too! Hope you got some rest after new year celebrations! :-) | 09:11 |
| seb128 | lool, I sort of got used to sleep until 10am, was hard to wake up today ;-) | 09:12 |
| seb128 | but yeah, I got plenty of sleep too | 09:12 |
| pitti | seb128: heh, me too; forced myself out of bed at 7 today | 09:12 |
| * lool ponders sending a "Happy GNU year" to a GNOME list ;-) | 09:13 | |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 09:13 |
| seb128 | lool, is you new year resolution to do extra trolling? ;-) | 09:14 |
| pitti | argh, pitivi pulls in hal | 09:38 |
| pitti | seb128: ^ just looking at the outstanding alpha-2 work items, and pitivi/gbrainy MIRs are on your list; can you do them? | 09:38 |
| pitti | (nevermind about pitivi as long as it uses hal, though) | 09:38 |
| seb128 | they are not on my list and I guess I could though I've zillions of things to do after 2 weeks break | 09:39 |
| pitti | seb128: well, the work items are assigned to you | 09:39 |
| seb128 | and those are nowhere near of what I consider priorities or things I enjoy to do | 09:39 |
| pitti | but I'm happy to reassign the gbrainy one to me | 09:39 |
| seb128 | I didn't know until now thanks for letting me know | 09:39 |
| seb128 | that would be great | 09:39 |
| seb128 | would be nice if somebody was processing the mirs too | 09:39 |
| seb128 | I opened the libiphone, etc ones a month ago ;-) | 09:40 |
| seb128 | though there was end of year break in the middle so I guess delay was expected | 09:40 |
| seb128 | tseliot, ok, jockey fails to install fglrx today | 09:40 |
| pitti | asac: ^ got some time for that? | 09:40 |
| seb128 | tseliot, when I tried yesterday that was before doing the karmic updates though | 09:40 |
| pitti | seb128: for http://piware.de/workitems/desktop/lucid-alpha2/report.html#seb128 , the third and remaining one is "pull new f-spot with edit capabilities in viewer mode", then you are done for alpha-2 | 09:41 |
| * pitti reassigns the gbrainy one to him | 09:41 | |
| tseliot | seb128: maybe debug mode will help you see why it fails | 09:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok thanks | 09:41 |
| seb128 | tseliot, log in non debug mode seems useless | 09:41 |
| seb128 | how do I turn debug mode on? | 09:41 |
| tseliot | seb128: killall jockey-backend | 09:42 |
| tseliot | seb128: and sudo /usr/share/jockey/jockey-backend --debug -l > /var/log/jockey.log | 09:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, when is a2? | 09:42 |
| tseliot | then run jockey as usual | 09:42 |
| pitti | seb128: Jan 14 | 09:42 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:42 |
| seb128 | I can do the pitivi mir and the f-spot change this week | 09:42 |
| pitti | cool | 09:42 |
| tseliot | pitti: does this look good to you (see the last two commits)? https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/jockey/alternatives | 09:43 |
| tseliot | that assumes that my new nvidia-common is uploaded first ;) | 09:44 |
| huats | morning everyone | 09:46 |
| pitti | tseliot: first commit is obvious; I can't verify the second just by looking at the diff, but structurally it looks fine; please go ahead and commit (I just added you to the team) | 09:48 |
| pitti | hey huats | 09:48 |
| tseliot | pitti: great, thanks | 09:48 |
| huats | hello mister pitti | 09:48 |
| seb128 | tseliot, ok, the new error is my fault, I mixed proposed versions and updates ones and don't have a proposed source | 09:51 |
| seb128 | I will sort that later and ping you when I've an xorg log | 09:51 |
| seb128 | hey huats | 09:52 |
| tseliot | seb128: ok | 09:54 |
| seb128 | tseliot, otherwise do you know if they are known suspend, resume issues due to the ati driver? | 10:03 |
| tseliot | seb128: not that I know of | 10:16 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: ^^ | 10:16 |
| tjaalton | no idea, I don't even know if fglrx works at all | 10:20 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, the question was about ati no fglrx though | 10:20 |
| seb128 | the screen doesn't come back on resume | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | seb128: ah ok | 10:20 |
| seb128 | the box is a toshiba laptop with a radeon hd 4500 card | 10:20 |
| seb128 | ati m92 mobility I think... | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | try booting witn radeon.modeset=0 | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | with | 10:21 |
| seb128 | where do I put that? | 10:21 |
| tjaalton | kernel cmdline | 10:21 |
| seb128 | on the kernel options? | 10:21 |
| tjaalton | yes | 10:21 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 10:21 |
| tjaalton | if that works, bug the kernel people to got through the drm commits ;) | 10:22 |
| tjaalton | *go, dammit | 10:22 |
| tseliot | KMS should be already off in Karmic | 10:23 |
| tseliot | for ati | 10:23 |
| tjaalton | huh, it was karmic? | 10:24 |
| seb128 | yes | 10:24 |
| tjaalton | ok, there probably are bugs yes ;) | 10:24 |
| seb128 | there is no kms active there | 10:25 |
| seb128 | ie vt1 is plain old text mode | 10:25 |
| tjaalton | right, it was enabled after lucid alpha1 | 10:25 |
| seb128 | is there anything else worth testing? | 10:25 |
| seb128 | updated ati driver from a ppa or something? | 10:25 |
| tjaalton | it's likely a kernel drm bug | 10:26 |
| tjaalton | so try lucid | 10:26 |
| seb128 | great | 10:28 |
| seb128 | the box is not mine though and I don't think lucid is production ready quality wise | 10:28 |
| seb128 | I guess I will just tell him to keep using vista for now :-- | 10:28 |
| seb128 | :-( | 10:28 |
| tjaalton | well, a daily livecd should be enough to test it | 10:29 |
| seb128 | right I will do that | 10:31 |
| seb128 | bah, some random user wrote a 1 page comment explaining how to remove pulseaudio and break half of your system and keep copying it in random bugs | 10:32 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - hggdh contacted him last night about those | 10:39 |
| seb128 | good | 10:39 |
| seb128 | is there any way in karmic to tell polkit1 to not ask for a password to mount ntfs disks? | 10:40 |
| chrisccoulson | we requested on #launchpad that they deactivate their account when we noticed what they was doing, but they weren't keen on doing that | 10:40 |
| seb128 | ie to mount the vista partition on the same disk | 10:40 |
| pitti | seb128: copy /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/org.freedesktop.DeviceKit.Disks.pkla from lucid to that karmic system | 10:43 |
| pitti | seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/351179/ | 10:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 10:43 |
| pitti | seb128: FYI, I dropped the MIR bits from the whiteboard and linked to two MIR bugs (just stubs for now) | 10:48 |
| pitti | (to avoid confusion about the whiteboard diffs) | 10:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok thanks | 10:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks for renewing my membership, I didn't read my launchpad box during holidays and didn't notice it expired | 11:01 |
| pitti | seb128: my pleasure | 11:01 |
| asac | pitti: seb128: yes. checking | 11:06 |
| seb128 | hey asac, happy new year | 11:07 |
| seb128 | pedro_, hey, happy new year! | 11:07 |
| pedro_ | happy new year seb128! | 11:07 |
| seb128 | asac, no hurry for the mir but this week would be nice | 11:07 |
| seb128 | pedro_, had good holidays? ;-) | 11:07 |
| asac | happy new year too!! | 11:09 |
| pitti | hey asac, gesundes Neues! | 11:09 |
| pedro_ | seb128, yeah, thanks for asking, what about you? | 11:09 |
| asac | hey pitti .... hope you are a bit less burried in snow than we are ;) | 11:09 |
| pedro_ | happy new year pitti and asac! | 11:09 |
| asac | crazy winter | 11:09 |
| pitti | hey pedro_, happy new year! | 11:09 |
| * asac hugs pedro_ | 11:09 | |
| seb128 | pedro_, yes, pretty relaxing ;-) | 11:09 |
| * pedro_ hugs asac back | 11:10 | |
| pitti | asac: it has snown for three days here; all white | 11:10 |
| pitti | we had a great "Schneeballschlacht" yesterday :) | 11:10 |
| seb128 | lucky you | 11:10 |
| pitti | and I built a snowman with my niece | 11:10 |
| seb128 | we had some snow 2 weeks ago | 11:10 |
| seb128 | but not since | 11:10 |
| asac | hehe | 11:10 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, hold on with the MIR; I'll propose some MIR process simplification on u-devel@, just doing some wiki cleanup first | 11:17 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 11:17 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i think freenode hates me today | 11:32 |
| chrisccoulson1 | i keep getting disconnected | 11:32 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| pitti | seb128: sent to MIR team and CCed u-devel@; your feedback appreciated | 11:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm about to go for lunch but I will comment after that | 11:47 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, I had a quick look at the brasero nautilus plugin; I don't see any obvious time difference with and without (but I didn't measure very carefully); is it still taking a second? If so, want me to look into this? | 11:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, you are welcome to do so, it takes over 1 second there on the mini config | 11:52 |
| seb128 | and over 3 seconds on my laptop config | 11:52 |
| pitti | urgh | 11:53 |
| seb128 | if you strace it you will see it execve every commands it known with --version to know what is available | 11:53 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, I think I'll prepare a test nautilus which gives some debugging output for plugin loading and exits once it loaded everything | 11:55 |
| pitti | that should be convenient for timing | 11:55 |
| seb128 | right | 11:55 |
| seb128 | ideally the code should just register what it can do | 11:56 |
| pitti | I have no urgent non-blocked alpha-2 tasks any more, and working on speedup is urgent, so I'll do that now | 11:56 |
| seb128 | not do all the brasero .so init | 11:56 |
| pitti | right | 11:56 |
| pitti | and defer expensive bits to lazy initialization | 11:56 |
| seb128 | right | 11:56 |
| seb128 | or to first use or something | 11:56 |
| * pitti hardly burns any CDs these days, and I guess the same is true for many people | 11:57 | |
| pitti | in particular for netbook users who don't even have a drive :) | 11:57 |
| pitti | seb128: lazy init == first use, right, that's what I mean | 11:57 |
| seb128 | ok, you can also see lazy init as idle loop code | 11:57 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, do you have your test gnome-session somewhere which loads everything at once? | 11:57 |
| pitti | ah | 11:58 |
| seb128 | it's not a gnome-session change | 11:58 |
| seb128 | I've emptied the gconf key for required components | 11:58 |
| seb128 | ie /desktop/gnome/session/required_components_list | 11:59 |
| pitti | oh, I thought it was this Autostart-Phase: thing | 11:59 |
| pitti | okay | 11:59 |
| seb128 | copied the nautilus and gnome-panel autostart from /usr/share/applications to etc | 11:59 |
| seb128 | to /etc/xdg/autostart | 11:59 |
| seb128 | and changed all the desktop files there to have Application for the autostart stage | 12:00 |
| seb128 | so everything is started as an application | 12:00 |
| seb128 | and they are all started together | 12:00 |
| seb128 | just copy /etc/xdg/autostart away | 12:00 |
| seb128 | do the changes and try | 12:00 |
| seb128 | have to go for lunch | 12:00 |
| seb128 | be back in a bit | 12:00 |
| pitti | ok, was just curious | 12:00 |
| pitti | enjoy! | 12:00 |
| pitti | seb128: yep, after a 3 > drop_caches, brasero takes ages here, too | 12:24 |
| * pitti has a debug nautilus now | 12:24 | |
| pitti | seb128: thanks for the heads-up, I think I'm good to go now | 12:28 |
| seb128 | back from lunch | 12:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok good, let me know if you have any question | 12:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, you got a reference hardware box? | 12:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, or you use your laptop to do testing? | 12:30 |
| pitti | seb128: my normal laptop; I don't have a Dell mini | 12:30 |
| pitti | but that should be good enough | 12:30 |
| seb128 | right | 12:30 |
| seb128 | enough people do daily testing on the mini anyway | 12:30 |
| seb128 | and what improves on your box should benefit other installs too | 12:31 |
| asac | pitti: http://pastebin.com/f21452d4b ... let me know if its ok to carry that fix in ubuntu/debian for a bit. for upstream one probably would have to check in configure if gcc has that feature :/ | 12:52 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| pitti | asac: looks fine, but please do report it upstream as well | 13:20 |
| pitti | asac: I'll turn it into a patch and commit to bzr | 13:20 |
| pitti | asac: hm, does that work on "arm" as well, or only "armel"? | 13:22 |
| pitti | ah, bug 497331 | 13:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 497331 in postgresql-8.4 "build failure with -mthumb on armel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497331 | 13:25 |
| pitti | it does build on Debian's armel, I guess that doesn't use thumb2 | 13:26 |
| pitti | asac: ok, pushed and bug updated | 13:28 |
| asac | thx | 13:41 |
| dholbach | hola | 14:00 |
| kenvandine | het dholbach | 14:01 |
| kenvandine | hey even :) | 14:01 |
| dholbach | can anybody imagine running a session at UDW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep still has a couple of empty slots | 14:01 |
| dholbach | hey kenvandine | 14:01 |
| pitti | hey kenvandine, happy new year! | 14:01 |
| kenvandine | happy new year too you too! | 14:01 |
| seb128 | hey dholbach kenvandine | 14:02 |
| seb128 | happy new year | 14:02 |
| dholbach | maybe something about what's specific to packaging desktop stuff? | 14:02 |
| dholbach | I'm sure you guys want more desktop contributors :-D | 14:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, the measure I did before holidays for nautilus loading times were similar to your notes | 14:02 |
| seb128 | everything else than brasero was around 0.1 seconds or under that | 14:03 |
| seb128 | share was faster there but you might use a non empty nautilus config | 14:03 |
| pitti | ok, thanks | 14:04 |
| dholbach | or is there anything else desktop related that would fit well into UDW? | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | hey seb128 | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'll bump empathy today | 14:09 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:10 |
| seb128 | hey tedg | 14:10 |
| seb128 | tedg, happy new year | 14:10 |
| tedg | Good morning seb128. Good holiday? | 14:10 |
| tedg | Thanks | 14:10 |
| seb128 | yes, excellent | 14:10 |
| seb128 | didn't touch work stuff for 2 weeks | 14:10 |
| seb128 | nor email | 14:11 |
| seb128 | (or almost not, I did read email 3 times in 2 weeks) | 14:11 |
| chrisccoulson | dholbach - i keep thinking that a session on debugging X errors would be useful, to help with issues like gnome bug 598476, but i just don't have any time at the moment :( | 14:11 |
| tedg | Wow. That's impressive. | 14:11 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 598476 in daemon "gnome-screensaver crashes when entering password incorrectly 5 times" [Blocker,Needinfo] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598476 | 14:11 |
| chrisccoulson | such a session would be closely related to interpreting stacktraces anyway | 14:12 |
| dholbach | chrisccoulson: maybe bryce__ and tseliot have some ideas for that? ^ | 14:12 |
| tedg | seb128: Are you testing to see if Evolutions mail counting algorithms can count to a million? ;) | 14:12 |
| dholbach | chrisccoulson: shall I mail you three guys and we can debate what would go in there? | 14:12 |
| seb128 | tedg, I almost could ;-) | 14:12 |
| chrisccoulson | dholbach - possibly. i'd like to do such a session, but i'd struggle to find the time at the moment | 14:12 |
| seb128 | very annoyed by the spam count though | 14:13 |
| dholbach | chrisccoulson: a bunch of bullet points and some discussion with bryce__ and tseliot would be appreciated - I'll kick off the mail in a sec :-) | 14:14 |
| tseliot | chrisccoulson, dholbach: yes, an email would be fine :-) | 14:15 |
| dholbach | fantastico | 14:15 |
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| tseliot | ;) | 14:15 |
| chrisccoulson | the gnome-screensaver issue might be a good example for a session too, because i already understand why that broke :) | 14:16 |
| dholbach | tseliot, bryce__, chrisccoulson: sent | 14:18 |
| tseliot | thanks | 14:18 |
| kenvandine | good morning rickspencer3 | 14:41 |
| rickspencer3 | hi kenvandine | 14:41 |
| rickspencer3 | so, we're back | 14:41 |
| kenvandine | yup! | 14:41 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 14:41 |
| * rickspencer3 checks calendar, checks email | 14:41 | |
| rickspencer3 | aaah | 14:41 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3! happy new year! | 14:42 |
| rickspencer3 | happy new year pitti | 14:43 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, how was your vacation? | 14:43 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 14:44 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I really enjoyed it; got some household stuff done (wallpainting, cleaning), lots of snow, some gaming, and some hacking | 14:44 |
| seb128 | happy new year! | 14:44 |
| pitti | it was good to rest for some ten days | 14:45 |
| dholbach | ArneGoetje: do you think you could follow up on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2010-January/006447.html ? | 14:45 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128 | 14:46 |
| ArneGoetje | dholbach: looking | 14:47 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, did you have good holidays? | 14:47 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, yes | 14:48 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: I saw your blog entries, seems you hacked all the time :) | 14:48 |
| rickspencer3 | spent quite some time with my family, and did some hacking, yes | 14:48 |
| pitti | quidmasgets | 14:48 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, I see an MRI bug for pitivi | 14:49 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks for doing that | 14:49 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: it's just a stub so far | 14:50 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: biggest problem is that it pulls hal back in | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | eww | 14:50 |
| pitti | (and of course all those bugs :) ) | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | i used it a couple times over the break and it worked pretty well | 14:50 |
| pitti | TBH I only tested it once at UDS | 14:50 |
| ArneGoetje | dholbach: replied | 14:51 |
| pitti | I don't know anyone who actually edits videos, so I don't have a real-live test case | 14:51 |
| pitti | "life" | 14:51 |
| rickspencer3 | I used it a bit last summer | 14:51 |
| pitti | but either way, we need to do something about hal | 14:51 |
| rickspencer3 | and it worked quite well | 14:51 |
| rickspencer3 | but was a tad crashy | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | i do from time to time... my biggest beef is it is such a pain to get dv video off the camera | 14:51 |
| dholbach | ArneGoetje: awesome - thanks | 14:51 |
| dholbach | ArneGoetje: moderated | 14:51 |
| ArneGoetje | dholbach: thanks | 14:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, I replied to the mir email and some other people too apparently, all good feedback | 14:56 |
| seb128 | go pitti go ;-) | 14:57 |
| pitti | nice | 14:57 |
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| ccheney | hi | 15:02 |
| rickspencer3 | hi ccheney | 15:12 |
| rickspencer3 | welcome back | 15:12 |
| rickspencer3 | Not too surprised to see we are a bit over the trend line | 15:13 |
| pitti | hey ccheney, happy new year! | 15:15 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: right, you can clearly see the holidays.. | 15:15 |
| rickspencer3 | stupid holidays | 15:16 |
| rickspencer3 | ;) | 15:16 |
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| seb128 | pitti, we should perhaps have small template for mir bugs and decide on whether the description or comments should be used too | 15:28 |
| seb128 | template, ie: | 15:28 |
| seb128 | rational: we need a video editor | 15:28 |
| seb128 | security: no known issue | 15:28 |
| seb128 | packaging: standard cdbs one, actively maintained in debian | 15:28 |
| pitti | seb128: i don't actually expect security/packaging to be in mir bugs at all if they are okay | 15:29 |
| pitti | (we still review the packaging anyway) | 15:29 |
| seb128 | ok, good | 15:29 |
| pitti | seb128: I just expect reporters to walk through UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements and pick out the bad stuff | 15:29 |
| seb128 | I was just doing the pitivi one and I'm not too sure what to write about "well maintained upstream and in debian, no security issue" | 15:29 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:29 |
| pitti | (which is why I want people to explicitly confirm that they did this, to ensure that they know about the page and sign off on having done the checks) | 15:29 |
| seb128 | it just feel weird when you are used to write every detail, but good weird ;-) | 15:30 |
| pitti | just go through the checklist, and note down things that come to your mind when you review the package | 15:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, ie do you expect extra comments on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/502897? | 15:31 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 502897 in pitivi "[MIR] pitivi" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 15:31 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, one: "a confirmation that you checked the requirements carefully" | 15:32 |
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| seb128 | pitti, ok, done | 15:34 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure if we should delay its use until it stops using hal though | 15:35 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks, moved back to new and assigned to me | 15:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, thank you | 15:37 |
| pitti | seb128: if we put it in now, we need to change hal to get activated on demand, and fix g-p-m to not activate hal on startup | 15:37 |
| pitti | but that's sort of on my list anyway | 15:38 |
| seb128 | I would be in favor of delaying until pitivi is fixed | 15:38 |
| * pitti too | 15:38 | |
| seb128 | ok good | 15:38 |
| seb128 | let's see how upstream is responsive | 15:38 |
| pitti | not that I would have ever been anxious to get in pitivi :) | 15:38 |
| seb128 | the bug has been opened 2 days ago | 15:38 |
| * pitti chuckles at http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/ | 15:43 | |
| pitti | Keybuk: I want this mysterious "201000" extra month, too! | 15:43 |
| Keybuk | heh | 15:44 |
| Keybuk | I just fixed that | 15:44 |
| seb128 | hey Keybuk | 15:44 |
| seb128 | happy new year! | 15:44 |
| Keybuk | hey, happy new year to you too | 15:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #448180 seems a "gnome-alsamixer crashes when there is no soundcard" | 15:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 448180 in gnome-alsamixer "gnome-alsamixer crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448180 | 15:45 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you think it's worth fixing in a sru? it would still do nothing, just display a "no sound card" rather than crashing... | 15:46 |
| seb128 | (not that I fixed the bug yet) | 15:46 |
| pitti | hm, sounds like a feature to me :) why should it be running if there's no card? | 15:47 |
| seb128 | it seems users try to run it to fix their "no sound issue" | 15:47 |
| pitti | from my shallow look I'd say don't bother | 15:47 |
| seb128 | which is fact a alsa or driver issue | 15:47 |
| pitti | if you want to, I won't stop you of course | 15:47 |
| seb128 | ie no sound card is listed by alsa on those config | 15:47 |
| seb128 | not especially | 15:47 |
| seb128 | you just assigned the bug to me so I was checking ;-) | 15:48 |
| seb128 | I will try to get it fixed for lucid so we stop receiving crash bugs | 15:48 |
| seb128 | but I will not bother for karmic | 15:48 |
| pitti | assigned> ah, that was last year already :) | 15:50 |
| pitti | right, lucid only | 15:51 |
| seb128 | yeah, but during my holidays | 15:51 |
| seb128 | ok, all good ;-) | 15:51 |
| rickspencer3 | tseliot, hi | 15:54 |
| tseliot | hi rickspencer3 | 15:54 |
| rickspencer3 | happy New Year tseliot | 15:54 |
| rickspencer3 | I saw some mails regarding "Updated plans for Lucid" | 15:54 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: happy new year to you :-) | 15:55 |
| rickspencer3 | anything I should know? | 15:55 |
| tseliot | I think it was a status update that tjaalton wrote | 15:55 |
| tseliot | I just explained that all my work for the "proprietary improvements" blueprint is in a PPA | 15:56 |
| tseliot | as I worked on it during the holidays | 15:56 |
| rickspencer3 | tseliot, great, so I don't need to reed those :) | 15:56 |
| rickspencer3 | tseliot, btw, really great work on the mini 10v trackpad | 15:56 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: no, don't worry ;) | 15:56 |
| rickspencer3 | turned it from something stupid and frustrating to something that works quite well | 15:57 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: thanks, I'm working to make sure that my fixes can be applied in the future (despite the changes in X and udev) | 15:57 |
| tseliot | :-) | 15:57 |
| pitti | there, nautilus brasero extension starts in 0.3 secs now | 16:03 |
| pitti | (from cold cache) | 16:05 |
| pitti | now it's just class registration and gconf | 16:06 |
| bratsche | Happy New Year desktop hackers! | 16:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, you rock! | 16:06 |
| pitti | hey bratsche! happy new year to you, too! | 16:06 |
| seb128 | hey bratsche, happy new year | 16:06 |
| pitti | seb128: just need to fix that tiny crash now :) | 16:06 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:06 |
| pitti | burning an .iso from the menu works; clicking menu on computer:/// on CD breaks | 16:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, I opened a bug upstream about it being slow btw so no need to open a new one to add your changes | 16:07 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, great; which one? | 16:07 |
| pitti | I'll send my patch there | 16:07 |
| seb128 | sec, looking for the bug number | 16:07 |
| pitti | oh, you probably did it a while ago already, I'll find it | 16:07 |
| pitti | seb128: got it | 16:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, sorry I got sidetracked in finishing something else | 16:11 |
| pitti | NP, took me like 3 seconds to fine | 16:11 |
| pitti | find | 16:12 |
| robbiew | pitti: seb128: pardon if this has already been addressed in a bug or email or whatever :)...but is there a reason why installing nvidia-glx-185 is fubar'd on my 64bit machine? | 16:12 |
| pitti | robbiew: what breaks in particular? | 16:12 |
| pitti | (no idea, I don't have nvidia here for testing) | 16:13 |
| robbiew | pitti: installing that package automatically removes all xserver- packages | 16:13 |
| robbiew | and without it...nvidia driver doesn't work | 16:13 |
| robbiew | so stuck with framebuffer | 16:13 |
| pitti | eww, WTH | 16:13 |
| pitti | tseliot: seems it needs to depend on the newer x.org ABI? | 16:14 |
| pitti | robbiew: ^ I think that's it | 16:14 |
| tseliot | yep | 16:14 |
| pitti | robbiew: tseliot has new packages in the pipeline, I'm sure that they will work | 16:14 |
| tseliot | I'm still cleaning them up a bit but they should work: https://edge.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/proprietary-video-improvements | 16:15 |
| tseliot | note: you will have to update all of the packages in the PPA | 16:15 |
| robbiew | pitti: tseliot: thanks | 16:16 |
| robbiew | :) | 16:16 |
| robbiew | figured you all were on top of it ;) | 16:16 |
| tseliot | np | 16:16 |
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| tseliot | robbiew: if you have problems with the drivers, just let me know | 16:16 |
| robbiew | will do | 16:17 |
| tseliot | robbiew: also are you going to install the latest driver? 190.53 | 16:17 |
| tseliot | if not, you'll have to type an additional command | 16:17 |
| * robbiew is all about the latest and greatest :D | 16:18 | |
| tseliot | ok, no additional work then ;) | 16:18 |
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| rickspencer3 | tseliot, you have 50 bugs assigned to you? | 16:20 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: I didn't count them but yes, it should be a considerable amount of bugs | 16:21 |
| rickspencer3 | well "bug tasks" | 16:21 |
| rickspencer3 | looks like 10 > medium importanc | 16:22 |
| Martinp23 | if anyone gets a few mins, could you look at bug #502775 please? it's ages since i did packaging so not entirely sure if i'm following the right procedure here :p | 16:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 502775 in vte "Upgrade vte to 0.23.2" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502775 | 16:22 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: let me check | 16:22 |
| pitti | seb128: so, fixed the crash; I can't say that brasero actually worked before (it keeps complaining about not having enough space on CD), but at least it now works as before | 16:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok good, and upstream have time to comment on the changes before lucid | 16:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, btw there is a 2.29.4 new version if you feel doing an upgrade too :-) | 16:23 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: what's the purpose of you question? (I'm curious) | 16:23 |
| rickspencer3 | tseliot, no action required for you | 16:23 |
| pitti | seb128: might just as well do; was about to upload, nice timing :) | 16:23 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: ah, good | 16:24 |
| seb128 | hey Martinp23 | 16:24 |
| rickspencer3 | in general, I like bugs that are assigned to be bugs that are planned for fixing | 16:24 |
| Martinp23 | hi seb128 :) | 16:24 |
| seb128 | usually mvo look at vte updates | 16:24 |
| seb128 | not sure if he's around I've seen him today yet | 16:24 |
| rickspencer3 | tseliot, >10 seems a bit aggressive, but since you're a gues on desktop team, you shouldn't need to change your bug management strategy | 16:24 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: uh, you consider > 10 too much? | 16:25 |
| pitti | I was proud to reduce my list from 70 (start of december) to 38 (now) .. | 16:25 |
| mvo | seb128: hello! | 16:25 |
| tseliot | rickspencer3: ok. Some of them will be fixed soon | 16:25 |
| mvo | seb128: did I hear my name :) ? | 16:25 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, not "too much" just aggressive | 16:25 |
| seb128 | hey mvo | 16:25 |
| mvo | happy new year | 16:25 |
| pitti | hey mvo, gesundes Neues! *hug* | 16:26 |
| seb128 | mvo, Happy New Year! | 16:26 |
| rickspencer3 | hi mvo | 16:26 |
| seb128 | mvo, Martinp23 worked on bug #502775 | 16:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 502775 in vte "Upgrade vte to 0.23.2" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502775 | 16:26 |
| seb128 | Martinp23, and was wondering if somebody was feeling like give it a look | 16:26 |
| seb128 | ups | 16:26 |
| seb128 | mvo, ^ | 16:26 |
| mvo | seb128: sure, I can do that | 16:27 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks | 16:27 |
| Martinp23 | seb128, mvo: thanks! :) | 16:36 |
| mvo | Martinp23: please give me ~10min, I just need to finish anohter task | 16:36 |
| Martinp23 | sure, no rush at all | 16:37 |
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| * pitti uploads brasero and is eager to see tomorrow's boot chart | 16:50 | |
| pitti | it won't reduce total time (gnome-panel is critical path), but should reduce the nautilus churn | 16:50 |
| seb128 | right | 16:57 |
| karmst | hello | 17:13 |
| karmst | is anyone in here? | 17:13 |
| mvo | Martinp23: looks good, test-building now | 17:14 |
| baptistemm | karmst, when you enter in a room, do you say "is anyone in here?" ? | 17:15 |
| mvo | Martinp23: the only "complain" is that you might want to add "debian/patches/90_autoreconf.patch: refreshed" to debian/changelog. but that is really minor :) | 17:15 |
| * mvo needs to leave for lunch now | 17:15 | |
| mvo | eh, dinner | 17:15 |
| baptistemm | karmst, usually on IRC, you say hello, and you ask your question | 17:15 |
| baptistemm | :) | 17:15 |
| karmst | ok | 17:15 |
| karmst | I'm new to the linux world but have used windows and dos for over 20 years | 17:16 |
| karmst | so please be kind =) | 17:16 |
| karmst | I'm trying to find out if there is a way to have the user home directory sync with a server | 17:17 |
| karmst | like how in Windows you can use GPO to redirect desktops | 17:17 |
| karmst | and profiles | 17:18 |
| karmst | can something be done in Ubuntu similar? | 17:18 |
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| baptistemm | I know zip about windows and I guess this is not the right chan, and this is not specific to ubuntu. I guess you should look to Samba | 17:21 |
| karmst | I think you didn't get my question | 17:21 |
| karmst | it is specific to Ubuntu | 17:21 |
| karmst | Can you have the workstation home directories sync with a server | 17:22 |
| karmst | so you can have a mobile profile? | 17:22 |
| seb128 | use nfs? | 17:22 |
| baptistemm | karmst, no this is not specific to ubuntu, this is specific to Linux | 17:23 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure to understand the question, you want datas synced automatically? | 17:23 |
| karmst | yes | 17:23 |
| karmst | I want to be able to pull the same home directory on multiple workstations | 17:23 |
| baptistemm | karmst, nfs should be the solution | 17:24 |
| karmst | ah | 17:24 |
| seb128 | well nfs is not offline | 17:24 |
| seb128 | it requires connection to the server | 17:25 |
| karmst | hmmm | 17:25 |
| karmst | that's what I want | 17:25 |
| karmst | like my workstation and laptop to sync | 17:25 |
| seb128 | you can try unison for example | 17:25 |
| Martinp23 | mvo: thanks! I've pushed a better changelog to my bzr branch | 17:25 |
| karmst | or if I go to another workstation for it to have the same Desktop, documents. etc | 17:26 |
| karmst | by login | 17:26 |
| seb128 | look at unison | 17:26 |
| karmst | unison | 17:26 |
| seb128 | apt-cache show unison | 17:26 |
| mvo | thanks Martinp23 | 17:27 |
| karmst | yes | 17:27 |
| karmst | that's close to what I'm looking for | 17:27 |
| karmst | Hey thanks Seb I think this will work | 17:29 |
| karmst | ;) | 17:29 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 17:29 |
| karmst | ok and one last question | 17:30 |
| karmst | What's the best way to make incremental image backups of Karmic? | 17:30 |
| seb128 | not sure about that one, it's not really desktopish | 17:32 |
| seb128 | try #ubuntu-server maybe | 17:32 |
| seb128 | I know that backuppc can do that sort of things | 17:32 |
| karmst | ok | 17:32 |
| karmst | thanks | 17:32 |
| seb128 | not sure if that's the best way though | 17:33 |
| karmst | ah | 17:35 |
| karmst | I'm not sure if Acronis works on a live Ubuntu | 17:35 |
| karmst | or maybe symantec?!? | 17:36 |
| seb128 | I don't know those | 17:36 |
| seb128 | the company I was working before used backuppc for incremental backuping | 17:36 |
| karmst | does that do an image backup? | 17:37 |
| karmst | or file backup? | 17:37 |
| seb128 | file backups | 17:40 |
| seb128 | you can set up the directories to backup | 17:40 |
| seb128 | it can use smb shares or rsync or ssh | 17:40 |
| karmst | hmm | 17:41 |
| karmst | I'm basically looking for something that if the computer gets fried you can restore an entire system to another computer | 17:42 |
| karmst | even if the hardware is different | 17:42 |
| seb128 | I don't know about a software doing that | 17:45 |
| karmst | so what do you guys do if your computer blows up? | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | karmst, I suppose we keep backups of our files, and then just do a reinstall, etc... | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | I think it's pretty rare for a computer to just completely fail with no warning | 17:53 |
| seb128 | I don't think I ever had a computer which blowed up | 18:00 |
| seb128 | and I do backup my user datas | 18:00 |
| seb128 | reinstalling a distro is a 2 hours job | 18:00 |
| seb128 | 2 hours counting the download of things I use which are not on the default install, etc | 18:01 |
| karmst | true | 18:02 |
| karmst | that's still quite a bit of time. | 18:02 |
| seb128 | well it's mainly my download speed taking in account there | 18:02 |
| karmst | true but then what about customization and screens | 18:03 |
| karmst | and so on | 18:03 |
| karmst | I'll look around for something and let you know if I find anything | 18:03 |
| seb128 | I do backup user config | 18:03 |
| seb128 | I don't have nonuser customization | 18:03 |
| seb128 | im clients, images, music, etc are in my user dir | 18:04 |
| seb128 | web browser | 18:04 |
| seb128 | keyring | 18:04 |
| seb128 | etc | 18:04 |
| seb128 | installing karmic from an usb stick is 15 minutes job | 18:04 |
| seb128 | then you need to dump your user backup in place and install extra softwares | 18:04 |
| seb128 | but you are basically back to a working system in half an hour | 18:04 |
| seb128 | then you can work while extra things get installed | 18:05 |
| seb128 | well that's my view on that | 18:05 |
| seb128 | but having something to backup and dump back what you did backup later would be cool | 18:05 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, it would be nice if there was a list of apps that you have installed and you could just say "yes just reinstall all of that list" | 18:05 |
| seb128 | you need at some point to bootstrap the software to write the backup back though | 18:06 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, it's just 2 dpkg commands ;-) | 18:06 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, sort of, except that it doesn't get done automatically for you | 18:06 |
| seb128 | right | 18:06 |
| rickspencer3 | like what if you dumped from dpkg and that list got stored in your U1 account | 18:06 |
| seb128 | quickly backup | 18:06 |
| seb128 | quickly restore | 18:06 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 18:06 |
| seb128 | yeah, that would be cool | 18:07 |
| rickspencer3 | anyway, nice thoughts for features for future versions | 18:07 |
| seb128 | a small pygtk gui which takes a package list and install things you don't have | 18:07 |
| seb128 | and which let you export your current set | 18:07 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 18:40 |
| chrisccoulson | good night pitti | 18:42 |
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| ccheney | anyone know how to fix this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/351477/ ? | 22:41 |
| ccheney | trying to recompile karmic glib on hardy | 22:41 |
| chrisccoulson | ccheney - which release are you building this on? | 22:45 |
| ccheney | hardy | 22:45 |
| chrisccoulson | thats why | 22:45 |
| ccheney | i think i found the issue was with patch 5 | 22:45 |
| chrisccoulson | the hardy glibc doesn't have this symbol | 22:45 |
| ccheney | yea | 22:45 |
| ccheney | trying to get the firefox/webkit/e-b stuff done for the old releases | 22:46 |
| chrisccoulson | if you give me 1 second, i'll find you the officially upstreamed patch, which contains a build-time check for this to make it use it's own internal symbol | 22:46 |
| ccheney | i tried disabling assert messages but it doesn't seem to work | 22:47 |
| ccheney | i might have done something wrong though | 22:47 |
| chrisccoulson | ccheney - this is the official patch, which will be in the next glib version | 22:47 |
| chrisccoulson | http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=da66897950431870390f8dc3f798e24f23ffb8c8 | 22:47 |
| chrisccoulson | not sure how that differs to what we already have in ubuntu | 22:47 |
| chrisccoulson | it should build fine on hardy with that patch, because the configure check will notice your glibc version is too old | 22:48 |
| ccheney | ok | 22:48 |
| * ccheney didn't read the rules file close enough it seems | 22:51 | |
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