=== eeejay is now known as eeejay_away === asac_ is now known as asac [06:28] Good morning everyone! happy new year [07:43] pitti: happy new year to you too [07:43] bonjour lool [07:43] * pitti -> supermarket, bbl [08:21] lool: had some nice holidays? [08:40] good morning everyone (and welcome back) [08:40] hey chrisccoulson, happy new year! [08:40] happy new year to you too pitti :) [08:40] did you have a nice break? [08:41] I did, very relaxing; we painted some rooms, did some major cleaning, lots of family events, and tons of snow \o/ [08:41] hey there [08:41] happy new year! [08:41] excellent, sounds good [08:41] hey seb128_, happy new year to you too === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [08:42] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:42] had good holidays? [08:42] * pitti hugs seb128 [08:42] * seb128 hugs pitti [08:42] seb128 - yeah, good thanks, although quite busy with family visiting all the time [08:42] did you have a good holiday too? [08:42] yes, very relaxing [08:43] lot of doing nothing and familly seeing [08:43] that's always good ;-) [08:43] I manage to barrely touch the computer [08:43] which is a good thing to do once a year too [08:47] hum [08:48] not looking forward email catching up after those two weeks now [08:48] let's grab coffee first [08:48] brb [08:50] seb128: good luck! [08:50] seb128: is it actually so bad? [08:50] I just spent an hour on them yesterday to get them back to 0 [08:50] it was pretty quiet over the holidays [08:50] s/0/3/ [08:52] pitti: Yup, how about you? good holidays? [08:52] lool: indeed; lots of fresh air, family, and gaming; and only some hacking [08:52] * pitti played Battle for Wesnoth a lot [08:53] haha [08:55] lool, hey, happy new year! [08:56] pitti, well, not bad but if you want to overview the bugsmails... [08:56] it usually takes me 2 hours after a weekend [08:56] yeah, I didn't touch those yet [08:56] so after 2 weeks [08:56] I just followed up on the high-urgency ones (subscribed/assigned) [08:56] my +ubugs folder is full again :( [08:57] I've installed ubuntu on my cousin's laptop yesterday, that's a fail btw [08:57] karmic? [08:58] yes [08:58] no eth nor wifi working [08:58] which is fixed in a linux sru done in december [08:58] I had to download the deb and copy it over usb key [08:58] and I still have no bluetooth [08:58] and screen doesn't come back from suspend [08:58] which I'm not sure how to debug [08:59] it's a toshiba laptop, I would not recommend those for ubuntu [08:59] jockey is a fail too, it activates fglrx but still mark it as not activated [09:00] ie the xorg.conf is correctly update and fglrx loaded in Xorg.0.log but the jockey UI still say it's not used [09:02] seb128: in lucid? [09:06] tseliot, no, karmic [09:06] tseliot, it's early to install lucid on a luser box [09:07] seb128: this is why I asked ;) [09:07] my cousin is a student and need to box to get work done and is nothing of a computer person [09:07] to box -> the box [09:08] seb128: does the fglrx driver work? [09:08] the videocard is a radeon hd 4500 m92 I think [09:08] I'm not sure actually but I think so by looking through the xorg log [09:08] or is it just that jockey shows it as disabled? [09:08] seb128: can I see the log? [09:08] and 2d performance are slugish, ie you can the trail when moving things on screen [09:09] tseliot, with fglrx? [09:09] yep [09:09] give me a few minutes, I cleaned that yesterday [09:09] I thought it might be what was breaking resume [09:09] but it has the same issue using ati [09:10] I will install it again now [09:11] ok [09:11] seb128: Happy new year to you too! Hope you got some rest after new year celebrations! :-) [09:12] lool, I sort of got used to sleep until 10am, was hard to wake up today ;-) [09:12] but yeah, I got plenty of sleep too [09:12] seb128: heh, me too; forced myself out of bed at 7 today [09:13] * lool ponders sending a "Happy GNU year" to a GNOME list ;-) [09:13] lol [09:14] lool, is you new year resolution to do extra trolling? ;-) [09:38] argh, pitivi pulls in hal [09:38] seb128: ^ just looking at the outstanding alpha-2 work items, and pitivi/gbrainy MIRs are on your list; can you do them? [09:38] (nevermind about pitivi as long as it uses hal, though) [09:39] they are not on my list and I guess I could though I've zillions of things to do after 2 weeks break [09:39] seb128: well, the work items are assigned to you [09:39] and those are nowhere near of what I consider priorities or things I enjoy to do [09:39] but I'm happy to reassign the gbrainy one to me [09:39] I didn't know until now thanks for letting me know [09:39] that would be great [09:39] would be nice if somebody was processing the mirs too [09:40] I opened the libiphone, etc ones a month ago ;-) [09:40] though there was end of year break in the middle so I guess delay was expected [09:40] tseliot, ok, jockey fails to install fglrx today [09:40] asac: ^ got some time for that? [09:40] tseliot, when I tried yesterday that was before doing the karmic updates though [09:41] seb128: for http://piware.de/workitems/desktop/lucid-alpha2/report.html#seb128 , the third and remaining one is "pull new f-spot with edit capabilities in viewer mode", then you are done for alpha-2 [09:41] * pitti reassigns the gbrainy one to him [09:41] seb128: maybe debug mode will help you see why it fails [09:41] pitti, ok thanks [09:41] tseliot, log in non debug mode seems useless [09:41] how do I turn debug mode on? [09:42] seb128: killall jockey-backend [09:42] seb128: and sudo /usr/share/jockey/jockey-backend --debug -l > /var/log/jockey.log [09:42] pitti, when is a2? [09:42] then run jockey as usual [09:42] seb128: Jan 14 [09:42] ok [09:42] I can do the pitivi mir and the f-spot change this week [09:42] cool [09:43] pitti: does this look good to you (see the last two commits)? https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/jockey/alternatives [09:44] that assumes that my new nvidia-common is uploaded first ;) [09:46] morning everyone [09:48] tseliot: first commit is obvious; I can't verify the second just by looking at the diff, but structurally it looks fine; please go ahead and commit (I just added you to the team) [09:48] hey huats [09:48] pitti: great, thanks [09:48] hello mister pitti [09:51] tseliot, ok, the new error is my fault, I mixed proposed versions and updates ones and don't have a proposed source [09:51] I will sort that later and ping you when I've an xorg log [09:52] hey huats [09:54] seb128: ok [10:03] tseliot, otherwise do you know if they are known suspend, resume issues due to the ati driver? [10:16] seb128: not that I know of [10:16] tjaalton: ^^ [10:20] no idea, I don't even know if fglrx works at all [10:20] tjaalton, the question was about ati no fglrx though [10:20] the screen doesn't come back on resume [10:20] seb128: ah ok [10:20] the box is a toshiba laptop with a radeon hd 4500 card [10:20] ati m92 mobility I think... [10:20] try booting witn radeon.modeset=0 [10:21] with [10:21] where do I put that? [10:21] kernel cmdline [10:21] on the kernel options? [10:21] yes [10:21] ok thanks [10:22] if that works, bug the kernel people to got through the drm commits ;) [10:22] *go, dammit [10:23] KMS should be already off in Karmic [10:23] for ati [10:24] huh, it was karmic? [10:24] yes [10:24] ok, there probably are bugs yes ;) [10:25] there is no kms active there [10:25] ie vt1 is plain old text mode [10:25] right, it was enabled after lucid alpha1 [10:25] is there anything else worth testing? [10:25] updated ati driver from a ppa or something? [10:26] it's likely a kernel drm bug [10:26] so try lucid [10:28] great [10:28] the box is not mine though and I don't think lucid is production ready quality wise [10:28] I guess I will just tell him to keep using vista for now :-- [10:28] :-( [10:29] well, a daily livecd should be enough to test it [10:31] right I will do that [10:32] bah, some random user wrote a 1 page comment explaining how to remove pulseaudio and break half of your system and keep copying it in random bugs [10:39] seb128 - hggdh contacted him last night about those [10:39] good [10:40] is there any way in karmic to tell polkit1 to not ask for a password to mount ntfs disks? [10:40] we requested on #launchpad that they deactivate their account when we noticed what they was doing, but they weren't keen on doing that [10:40] ie to mount the vista partition on the same disk [10:43] seb128: copy /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/org.freedesktop.DeviceKit.Disks.pkla from lucid to that karmic system [10:43] seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/351179/ [10:43] pitti, thanks [10:48] seb128: FYI, I dropped the MIR bits from the whiteboard and linked to two MIR bugs (just stubs for now) [10:48] (to avoid confusion about the whiteboard diffs) [10:48] pitti, ok thanks [11:01] pitti, thanks for renewing my membership, I didn't read my launchpad box during holidays and didn't notice it expired [11:01] seb128: my pleasure [11:06] pitti: seb128: yes. checking [11:07] hey asac, happy new year [11:07] pedro_, hey, happy new year! [11:07] happy new year seb128! [11:07] asac, no hurry for the mir but this week would be nice [11:07] pedro_, had good holidays? ;-) [11:09] happy new year too!! [11:09] hey asac, gesundes Neues! [11:09] seb128, yeah, thanks for asking, what about you? [11:09] hey pitti .... hope you are a bit less burried in snow than we are ;) [11:09] happy new year pitti and asac! [11:09] crazy winter [11:09] hey pedro_, happy new year! [11:09] * asac hugs pedro_ [11:09] pedro_, yes, pretty relaxing ;-) [11:10] * pedro_ hugs asac back [11:10] asac: it has snown for three days here; all white [11:10] we had a great "Schneeballschlacht" yesterday :) [11:10] lucky you [11:10] and I built a snowman with my niece [11:10] we had some snow 2 weeks ago [11:10] but not since [11:10] hehe [11:17] seb128: btw, hold on with the MIR; I'll propose some MIR process simplification on u-devel@, just doing some wiki cleanup first [11:17] ok thanks [11:32] i think freenode hates me today [11:32] i keep getting disconnected === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:47] seb128: sent to MIR team and CCed u-devel@; your feedback appreciated [11:47] pitti, I'm about to go for lunch but I will comment after that [11:50] seb128: btw, I had a quick look at the brasero nautilus plugin; I don't see any obvious time difference with and without (but I didn't measure very carefully); is it still taking a second? If so, want me to look into this? [11:52] pitti, you are welcome to do so, it takes over 1 second there on the mini config [11:52] and over 3 seconds on my laptop config [11:53] urgh [11:53] if you strace it you will see it execve every commands it known with --version to know what is available [11:55] seb128: ok, I think I'll prepare a test nautilus which gives some debugging output for plugin loading and exits once it loaded everything [11:55] that should be convenient for timing [11:55] right [11:56] ideally the code should just register what it can do [11:56] I have no urgent non-blocked alpha-2 tasks any more, and working on speedup is urgent, so I'll do that now [11:56] not do all the brasero .so init [11:56] right [11:56] and defer expensive bits to lazy initialization [11:56] right [11:56] or to first use or something [11:57] * pitti hardly burns any CDs these days, and I guess the same is true for many people [11:57] in particular for netbook users who don't even have a drive :) [11:57] seb128: lazy init == first use, right, that's what I mean [11:57] ok, you can also see lazy init as idle loop code [11:57] seb128: btw, do you have your test gnome-session somewhere which loads everything at once? [11:58] ah [11:58] it's not a gnome-session change [11:58] I've emptied the gconf key for required components [11:59] ie /desktop/gnome/session/required_components_list [11:59] oh, I thought it was this Autostart-Phase: thing [11:59] okay [11:59] copied the nautilus and gnome-panel autostart from /usr/share/applications to etc [11:59] to /etc/xdg/autostart [12:00] and changed all the desktop files there to have Application for the autostart stage [12:00] so everything is started as an application [12:00] and they are all started together [12:00] just copy /etc/xdg/autostart away [12:00] do the changes and try [12:00] have to go for lunch [12:00] be back in a bit [12:00] ok, was just curious [12:00] enjoy! [12:24] seb128: yep, after a 3 > drop_caches, brasero takes ages here, too [12:24] * pitti has a debug nautilus now [12:28] seb128: thanks for the heads-up, I think I'm good to go now [12:29] back from lunch [12:29] pitti, ok good, let me know if you have any question [12:29] pitti, you got a reference hardware box? [12:30] pitti, or you use your laptop to do testing? [12:30] seb128: my normal laptop; I don't have a Dell mini [12:30] but that should be good enough [12:30] right [12:30] enough people do daily testing on the mini anyway [12:31] and what improves on your box should benefit other installs too [12:52] pitti: http://pastebin.com/f21452d4b ... let me know if its ok to carry that fix in ubuntu/debian for a bit. for upstream one probably would have to check in configure if gcc has that feature :/ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:20] asac: looks fine, but please do report it upstream as well [13:20] asac: I'll turn it into a patch and commit to bzr [13:22] asac: hm, does that work on "arm" as well, or only "armel"? [13:25] ah, bug 497331 [13:25] Launchpad bug 497331 in postgresql-8.4 "build failure with -mthumb on armel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497331 [13:26] it does build on Debian's armel, I guess that doesn't use thumb2 [13:28] asac: ok, pushed and bug updated [13:41] thx [14:00] hola [14:01] het dholbach [14:01] hey even :) [14:01] can anybody imagine running a session at UDW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep still has a couple of empty slots [14:01] hey kenvandine [14:01] hey kenvandine, happy new year! [14:01] happy new year too you too! [14:02] hey dholbach kenvandine [14:02] happy new year [14:02] maybe something about what's specific to packaging desktop stuff? [14:02] I'm sure you guys want more desktop contributors :-D [14:02] pitti, the measure I did before holidays for nautilus loading times were similar to your notes [14:03] everything else than brasero was around 0.1 seconds or under that [14:03] share was faster there but you might use a non empty nautilus config [14:04] ok, thanks [14:05] or is there anything else desktop related that would fit well into UDW? [14:05] hey seb128 [14:09] seb128, i'll bump empathy today [14:10] thanks [14:10] hey tedg [14:10] tedg, happy new year [14:10] Good morning seb128. Good holiday? [14:10] Thanks [14:10] yes, excellent [14:10] didn't touch work stuff for 2 weeks [14:11] nor email [14:11] (or almost not, I did read email 3 times in 2 weeks) [14:11] dholbach - i keep thinking that a session on debugging X errors would be useful, to help with issues like gnome bug 598476, but i just don't have any time at the moment :( [14:11] Wow. That's impressive. [14:11] Gnome bug 598476 in daemon "gnome-screensaver crashes when entering password incorrectly 5 times" [Blocker,Needinfo] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598476 [14:12] such a session would be closely related to interpreting stacktraces anyway [14:12] chrisccoulson: maybe bryce__ and tseliot have some ideas for that? ^ [14:12] seb128: Are you testing to see if Evolutions mail counting algorithms can count to a million? ;) [14:12] chrisccoulson: shall I mail you three guys and we can debate what would go in there? [14:12] tedg, I almost could ;-) [14:12] dholbach - possibly. i'd like to do such a session, but i'd struggle to find the time at the moment [14:13] very annoyed by the spam count though [14:14] chrisccoulson: a bunch of bullet points and some discussion with bryce__ and tseliot would be appreciated - I'll kick off the mail in a sec :-) [14:15] chrisccoulson, dholbach: yes, an email would be fine :-) [14:15] fantastico === rodrigo_1 is now known as rodrigo_ [14:15] ;) [14:16] the gnome-screensaver issue might be a good example for a session too, because i already understand why that broke :) [14:18] tseliot, bryce__, chrisccoulson: sent [14:18] thanks [14:41] good morning rickspencer3 [14:41] hi kenvandine [14:41] so, we're back [14:41] yup! [14:41] :) [14:41] * rickspencer3 checks calendar, checks email [14:41] aaah [14:42] hey rickspencer3! happy new year! [14:43] happy new year pitti [14:43] pitti, how was your vacation? [14:44] hey rickspencer3 [14:44] rickspencer3: I really enjoyed it; got some household stuff done (wallpainting, cleaning), lots of snow, some gaming, and some hacking [14:44] happy new year! [14:45] it was good to rest for some ten days [14:45] ArneGoetje: do you think you could follow up on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2010-January/006447.html ? [14:46] hi seb128 [14:47] dholbach: looking [14:47] rickspencer3, did you have good holidays? [14:48] seb128, yes [14:48] rickspencer3: I saw your blog entries, seems you hacked all the time :) [14:48] spent quite some time with my family, and did some hacking, yes [14:48] quidmasgets [14:49] pitti, I see an MRI bug for pitivi [14:49] thanks for doing that [14:50] rickspencer3: it's just a stub so far [14:50] rickspencer3: biggest problem is that it pulls hal back in [14:50] eww [14:50] (and of course all those bugs :) ) [14:50] i used it a couple times over the break and it worked pretty well [14:50] TBH I only tested it once at UDS [14:51] dholbach: replied [14:51] I don't know anyone who actually edits videos, so I don't have a real-live test case [14:51] "life" [14:51] I used it a bit last summer [14:51] but either way, we need to do something about hal [14:51] and it worked quite well [14:51] but was a tad crashy [14:51] i do from time to time... my biggest beef is it is such a pain to get dv video off the camera [14:51] ArneGoetje: awesome - thanks [14:51] ArneGoetje: moderated [14:53] dholbach: thanks [14:56] pitti, I replied to the mir email and some other people too apparently, all good feedback [14:57] go pitti go ;-) [14:57] nice === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [15:02] hi [15:12] hi ccheney [15:12] welcome back [15:13] Not too surprised to see we are a bit over the trend line [15:15] hey ccheney, happy new year! [15:15] rickspencer3: right, you can clearly see the holidays.. [15:16] stupid holidays [15:16] ;) === bjf-afk is now known as bjf [15:28] pitti, we should perhaps have small template for mir bugs and decide on whether the description or comments should be used too [15:28] template, ie: [15:28] rational: we need a video editor [15:28] security: no known issue [15:28] packaging: standard cdbs one, actively maintained in debian [15:29] seb128: i don't actually expect security/packaging to be in mir bugs at all if they are okay [15:29] (we still review the packaging anyway) [15:29] ok, good [15:29] seb128: I just expect reporters to walk through UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements and pick out the bad stuff [15:29] I was just doing the pitivi one and I'm not too sure what to write about "well maintained upstream and in debian, no security issue" [15:29] ok [15:29] (which is why I want people to explicitly confirm that they did this, to ensure that they know about the page and sign off on having done the checks) [15:30] it just feel weird when you are used to write every detail, but good weird ;-) [15:30] just go through the checklist, and note down things that come to your mind when you review the package [15:31] pitti, ie do you expect extra comments on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/502897? [15:31] Ubuntu bug 502897 in pitivi "[MIR] pitivi" [Wishlist,Incomplete] [15:32] seb128: yes, one: "a confirmation that you checked the requirements carefully" === mpt_ is now known as mpt [15:34] pitti, ok, done [15:35] I'm not sure if we should delay its use until it stops using hal though [15:37] seb128: thanks, moved back to new and assigned to me [15:37] pitti, thank you [15:37] seb128: if we put it in now, we need to change hal to get activated on demand, and fix g-p-m to not activate hal on startup [15:38] but that's sort of on my list anyway [15:38] I would be in favor of delaying until pitivi is fixed [15:38] * pitti too [15:38] ok good [15:38] let's see how upstream is responsive [15:38] not that I would have ever been anxious to get in pitivi :) [15:38] the bug has been opened 2 days ago [15:43] * pitti chuckles at http://people.canonical.com/~scott/daily-bootcharts/ [15:43] Keybuk: I want this mysterious "201000" extra month, too! [15:44] heh [15:44] I just fixed that [15:44] hey Keybuk [15:44] happy new year! [15:44] hey, happy new year to you too [15:45] pitti, bug #448180 seems a "gnome-alsamixer crashes when there is no soundcard" [15:45] Launchpad bug 448180 in gnome-alsamixer "gnome-alsamixer crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/448180 [15:46] pitti, do you think it's worth fixing in a sru? it would still do nothing, just display a "no sound card" rather than crashing... [15:46] (not that I fixed the bug yet) [15:47] hm, sounds like a feature to me :) why should it be running if there's no card? [15:47] it seems users try to run it to fix their "no sound issue" [15:47] from my shallow look I'd say don't bother [15:47] which is fact a alsa or driver issue [15:47] if you want to, I won't stop you of course [15:47] ie no sound card is listed by alsa on those config [15:47] not especially [15:48] you just assigned the bug to me so I was checking ;-) [15:48] I will try to get it fixed for lucid so we stop receiving crash bugs [15:48] but I will not bother for karmic [15:50] assigned> ah, that was last year already :) [15:51] right, lucid only [15:51] yeah, but during my holidays [15:51] ok, all good ;-) [15:54] tseliot, hi [15:54] hi rickspencer3 [15:54] happy New Year tseliot [15:54]