[02:46] <mr_steve> Howdy fellas
[02:49] <_diablo> 'lo
[02:49] <mr_steve> How's it going?
[02:49] <_diablo> not too bad
[02:49] <mr_steve> Good good
[02:49] <_diablo> I'm not sure if I really belong on here seeing as I'm a fedora user, I'm currently in michigan, and I only attended one meeting
[02:49] <_diablo> but I lurk
[02:49] <_diablo> :)
[02:50] <_diablo> I'll be back in the cities soo
[02:50] <mr_steve> Heh, why not. It's fun
[02:50] <_diablo> exactly
[02:50] <mr_steve> I haven't been in here much lately, very busy. Starting school next week already
[02:50] <_diablo> ah, where?
[02:51] <mr_steve> Minneapolis Community & Technical College
[02:51] <_diablo> ah, nice
[02:52] <_diablo> do you know tom ferguson by chance?
[02:52] <mr_steve> Nope, don't think so
[02:52] <_diablo> ah, well he's the only one I know there
[02:53] <mr_steve> Yeah I haven't met anyone there yet. I've only been up there a few times to register and deal with administraiva
[02:53] <_diablo> ah, just starting? studying cs I assume?
[02:53] <mr_steve> Computer support & network admin
[02:53] <mr_steve> At least I well be; I bombed the math test so I have a semester of generals to get through first
[02:55] <_diablo> ouch. I'm thinking of looking for network admin jobx
[02:55] <_diablo> *jobs
[02:55] <_diablo> but I don't really have any experience lol
[02:56] <mr_steve> I've got about 5-6 yrs experience in support & admin, but in this economy it's worthless without the degree
[03:02] <_diablo> yeah, fair enough
[03:02] <_diablo> I'm looking to get linux+ certified
[03:02] <_diablo> I'm doing a book thing
[03:03] <mr_steve> Yeah I'm thinking about that too. I want to pick up a few certs while I'm still in school, since alot of the electives are certificate prep classes
[03:03] <mr_steve> If I gotta take the class, might as well get the cert when I'm done
[03:04] <_diablo> exactly
[03:04] <_diablo> no real reason not to do so
[03:13] <Takyoji__> I looked at Linux+ and it doesn't really seem to be much at all
[03:13] <Takyoji__> LPI certification looks much better
[03:13] <Takyoji__> Linux+ is just like the basics of Linux; nothing deep at all
[03:13] <Takyoji__> File permissions, using the package manager, etc
[03:14] <_diablo> ah, well, the book is for LPI 1 and Linux+
[03:14] <_diablo> or should I be aiming for more than that
[03:14] <Takyoji__> ahh
[03:15] <zomGreg> hi guys
[03:15] <Takyoji__> It should give detail on each level of LPI certification: http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification
[03:16] <_diablo> zomGreg, hey
[03:16] <zomGreg> I just read about this group somewhere on the intarnets and I'm wondering how active it is?
[03:16] <_diablo> Takyoji__, is lpi1 even worth it?
[03:18] <Takyoji__> http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_1/exam_101_sample_questions
[03:18] <_diablo> zomGreg, seems pretty active ;)
[03:19] <Takyoji__> Seems to be general basics, just learning some commands that you might not use much as a desktop user I assume
[03:19] <_diablo> Takyoji__, wow. that is super basic
[03:19] <_diablo> what kind of level would I need to be a network admin?
[03:20] <_diablo> Takyoji__, http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_1/exam_102_sample_questions
[03:20] <_diablo> seems to be a little bit more difficult, although still fairly basic
[03:21] <Takyoji__> At the same time, I haven't taken any LPI certification yet
[03:21] <Takyoji__> I believe tonyyarusso has
[03:22] <zomGreg> the debate is ages old. education vs. experience. Spending time in one seems to mean less of the other.
[03:22] <zomGreg> there was a good article in Linux Journal about certs vs. experience.
[03:23] <Takyoji__> Yea, I remember reading of it
[03:23] <mr_steve> I find it comes down to roughly this: Experience is what you need to do the job, certs/degrees are what you need to get the job.
[03:25] <Takyoji__> What REALLY annoys me is when people take no initiative to learn themself to some extent. Rather than just "oh, I'll take a class in college"
[03:26] <mr_steve> Yeah. My dad somehow graduated from Brown with a degree in comp. support & net admin, plus a few certs, and he has no clue at all about computers
[03:26] <Takyoji__> If someone wants to game development, well hey, you can actually LEARN programming and other various concepts, rather than just waiting until college for to take some class
[03:26] <zomGreg> nothing like trying and failing and taking good notes for an education.
[03:27] <mr_steve> I just run a needlessly complex home network to keep some of my skills sharp while I'm out of work :)
[03:28] <Takyoji__> Too bad I don't have any enterprise-level hardware at home to toy with. :P
[03:28] <Takyoji__> I don't think I've even touched a system yet that uses a RAID array for storage. xP
[03:29] <Takyoji__> Aside from a SAN I've found..
[03:29] <Takyoji__> (which I believe has a Windows-only client... )
[03:29] <mr_steve> That's my problem too. Although I do have an emulator/workbench type program for playing with emulated Cisco gear
[03:30] <mr_steve> And I helped a buddy of mine build a Raid-5 with the Linux md-tools
[03:30] <mr_steve> 2.5TB, I'm jealous
[03:31] <Takyoji__> heh
[03:31] <zomGreg> nice work!
[03:32] <mr_steve> Btw I've just remembered the Cisco IOS workbench I was using is called gns3, if anyone's interested. It's a little quirky but it's in the Ubuntu repo.
[03:33] <mr_steve> Getting a hold of IOS images to play with is left as an excercise for the reader..
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> haha
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> There's also the Cisco emulator doohickey that's not too bad.
[03:38] <tonyyarusso> PacketTracer I think it was.
[03:38] <mr_steve> I think I might have heard of that one too, never tried it though
[03:39] <mr_steve> I should be brushing up more on my IOS... I used to pretty much break every device I was dumb enough to connect a console cable to
[03:39] <mr_steve> I've gotten better tho ;)
[03:40]  * tonyyarusso high-fives mr_steve for "needlessly complex home network" - me too!
[03:40] <mr_steve> I have a primary & secondary nameserver! For no reason besides that I can! woohoo
[03:40] <tonyyarusso> Okay, now that is bad.
[03:41] <Takyoji__> Isn't that the common procedure? :P
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> I've started setting up my first nameserver.
[03:41] <mr_steve> I cheated, I'm using Webmin
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> Boooooohissssss
[03:41] <mr_steve> heheh
[03:41]  * tonyyarusso snuggles his local Ubuntu repo though
[03:41] <mr_steve> Bind is still a little intimidating for me
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> Bind is weird-looking, but not actually complicated.
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> (I set it up to spoof DNS for *.archive.ubuntu.com at the last installfest so people didn't have to change their sources to use the local copy)
[03:43] <mr_steve> Nifty. I'm still thinking of setting up my own repo here, I've got 5 Ubuntu machines, it seems wasteful to me to have them all hitting the mirrors for updates
[03:44] <tonyyarusso> Oh hey everybody, y'all should brainstorm a topic or two for tomorrow's meeting and put them together on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MinnesotaTeam/MeetingAgenda
[03:46] <mr_steve> I'll think on it
[03:47] <mr_steve> I had forgotten all about the meeting until about 15 minutes ago
[03:50] <jenkinbr> yay, meeting tomorrow :)
[03:50] <jenkinbr> I actually remembered :)
[03:51] <mr_steve> Yeah it just popped into my head a little while ago so I sent a message out to the list, since I hadn't heard anyone talking about it yet
[03:51] <_diablo> this is 7:30 pm central time right? (first time)
[03:52] <mr_steve> 7:00PM I think
[03:53] <mr_steve> That's what we did last time, anyway
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> Yes, 7:00 was the plan.
[03:54] <_diablo> this is the december 20 meeting?
[03:54] <_diablo> the website is a little off :)
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> Just fixed that :)
[03:55] <_diablo> gotcah
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> Seems the last time we used the wiki for an agenda was a year ago
[03:55] <_diablo> s/gotcah/gotcha
[03:55] <_diablo> lol
[03:55] <zomGreg> so is the Dec 20th agenda what is currently planned for tomorrow?
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> no
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> Refresheth the page
[03:56] <zomGreg> k
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> Then fill in the blanks :)
[04:42] <mr_steve> Win/lose: i just figured out how to scale the CPU speed on my netbook.. and I've discovered I have a BIOS bug limiting my CPU to 1.33GHz
[04:48] <zomGreg> what's the max capability of the CPU?
[04:58] <mr_steve> 1.66
[04:58] <zomGreg> not a brutal hit, but a hit nonetheless
[04:59] <mr_steve> Yeah, kinda obnoxious when I just bought it, and intentionally chose the one with the faster CPU
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> Which model is this?  (And how are they getting away with something so dumb?)
[05:00] <mr_steve> It's the Acer Aspire One, AOD250
[05:01] <mr_steve> There's an ubuntu bug about it, bug #422858
[05:01] <ubot3`> Malone bug 422858 in cpufreqd "Atom N280 frequency scaling not supported" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422858
[05:02] <mr_steve> Heh I didn't know ubot would do that in this channel, neat
[23:07] <jenkinbr> Someone ping me if I am not active at 7 for the meeting :)
[23:10] <_diablo> kk
[23:10] <Takyoji__> ICMP ping? IRC ping? Or a private message? :P
[23:11] <jenkinbr> In channel :)
[23:12] <jenkinbr> pm's highlight, but I don't notice where they come from because my client doesn't put them in a new tab unless I tell it to, and I no longer am highlighted by notices.