[02:56] <sbalneav> Evening all
[02:56] <HedgeMage> hi, sbalneav
[02:57] <sbalneav> hey there
[03:05] <HedgeMage> What's up?
[03:06] <sbalneav> Mapping out some stuff we need to write for ltsp
[03:06] <HedgeMage> nifty
[03:31] <stgraber> ok, DVD build issue fixed (chinese translations were blocking the build process), we "should" have daily builds again tomorrow
[03:31] <sbalneav> \o/ for stgraber
[03:31] <stgraber> I just had to nag the right guy for a day to get it fixed ;)
[03:32] <sbalneav> stgraber: mvo took on the gksu bug.
[03:32] <sbalneav> I'll see if he'll fix it shortly
[03:32] <stgraber> great
[03:34] <stgraber> we have alpha-2 planned for next week, would be great to have the netbook packages working (not the instaler work but at least have the right packages on the DVD), fixed sabayon and working LTSP
[03:35] <stgraber> highvoltage sent an e-mail to Mads Rosendahl to see if he's interesting in working on some backgrounds (he's the guy who did the current ldm background I use in Ubuntu)
[03:35] <stgraber> would be great to have the new artwork soon enough so we can fix the few details that we didn't think of and spend more time on other stuff like the splash
[03:43] <sbalneav> Cool.  I'd love to get gksu fixed.  The fix is simple, but since I've pinged mvo, I'd like to give him at least a couple of days to fix it himself.
[03:43] <sbalneav> How "late" could I leave off twisting your arm to make the change?
[03:51] <stgraber> if we want to have it for alpha-2, that'd be next Monday
[03:52] <sbalneav> ok, so if I don't hear anything by say, saturday, would you be willing to push this through?
[03:52] <stgraber> sure, you have a bug number for that and mvo subscribed to it right ?
[03:52] <sbalneav> yeah, one sec...
[03:53] <stgraber> found it
[03:53] <stgraber> it's already schedule for alpha-2 so mvo will be poked by the release managers to get it done
[03:53] <sbalneav> bug #501559
[03:53] <sbalneav> it's dead-simple to fix.
[03:54] <sbalneav> So simple, even *I* figured it out :)
[03:55] <stgraber> I guess mvo will probably want to check that the change that went upstream is the same as the one we used to have as a patch
[03:55] <stgraber> and that it's not turning on some other weird stuff ;)
[03:58] <HedgeMage> all: highvoltage suggested taking the module I wrote last night for frogandowl.org and adding it to the edubuntu.org revamp... it grabs any posts to an identi.ca group and brings them to the web site.
[03:59] <HedgeMage> If we want to do that, that's great, but it would really help if we can generate some traffic on there so it doesn't look dead.
[03:59] <HedgeMage> You are all very talkative all of a sudden, so I thought it would be worth mentioning :)
[04:00]  * HedgeMage wonders if she's talking to herself
[04:04] <sbalneav> Sorry, switched back to edit my wiki page...
[04:04] <sbalneav> lemme read...
[04:04] <stgraber> do we have an edubuntu group on identi.ca ?
[04:04] <HedgeMage> yes
[04:05] <stgraber> ok, joining it then ;)
[04:05] <sbalneav> Seems like a good idea.  Although I must admit, my advancement on "social networking technologies" pretty much stopped at irc and netnews :)
[04:06] <sbalneav> But I understand this stuff's important the the "Net Generation".
[04:06] <sbalneav> HEY YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!
[04:06] <HedgeMage> hehe
[04:07] <HedgeMage> I'm not a huge fan of it for its own sake, but boy does it seem to get people's attention.
[04:07] <HedgeMage> I wrote that module at 1am and in a few hours, 3 sites were using it including ubuntu-co.com
[04:08] <HedgeMage> So, I agree with highvoltage that it'll probably help us get some more activity going around here.
[04:08] <sbalneav> lol, that's a pretty fast adoption rate :)
[04:09] <sbalneav> HOLY CR*P WHAT'S THIS FLASHMOB DOING ON MY LAWN?!
[04:09] <HedgeMage> sbalneav: lol
[06:04] <HedgeMage> Score!
[06:05] <HedgeMage> Figured out what was wrong with the edubuntu.org DB and got it down from 180MB in size to 2.0MB
[06:06]  * HedgeMage does victory dance
[10:01] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: would we need a tag for edubuntu? I guess it's an unique enough name so that we can just search on edubuntu? or not?
[10:02] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: we don't need a tag, we already have a group.
[10:02] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: as long as "!edubuntu" (sans quotes) appears in a post it will be posted to the group
[10:03] <highvoltage> ok cool
[10:04] <HedgeMage> The upgrade is done
[10:04] <HedgeMage> I also beat the db into submission
[10:04] <HedgeMage> it's only 2.9MB now instead of 180MB
[10:04]  * HedgeMage rocks
[10:04] <HedgeMage> I've installed a few modules we'll need
[10:05] <HedgeMage> I'm on a roll :P
[10:05] <HedgeMage> the DB thing pleased me incredibly.  That DB size on a site as simple as edubuntu.org is insane -- it was really bogging things down.
[10:13] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: Anyhow, when I'm not so sleepy I have stuff to run by you... we can set up a private repo on github.com to collaborate, if that works for all.  I already have all of my work under git so it's easy to follow.
[10:13] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: sound like a plan?
[10:17] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: awesome :)
[10:17] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: why was it so big?
[10:17] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: yep sounds like a plan
[10:18] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: The sessions table hadn't seen a deletion in a matter of *years*
[10:18] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: Either someone went crazy editing parts of settings.php they shouldn't have, or the db user's permissions on the live site's DB were wrong.
[10:20] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I took the existing DB, truncated the sessions table, used a clean Drupal install with only the content files and images migrated over, and upgraded that.
[10:20] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: it's working nicely.
[10:20] <highvoltage> cool
[10:21] <HedgeMage> You may not see a lot of new work out of me for the next few days as I'm prepping to move.  However, after we are settled in I will make sure this gets knocked out.
[10:22] <highvoltage> thanks HedgeMage
[10:22] <highvoltage> you do indeed rock :)
[10:22] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:22] <HedgeMage> Thanks :D
[10:22] <HedgeMage> If you feel like I'm stepping on your toes at any point, let me know.  I just pushed through the upgrade myself because I had to muck with the DB and it seemed easier that way since I do it a lot.
[10:28] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I created the project here: http://github.com/HedgeMage/edubuntuorg but I won't push the files until I free up a private repo for them (there is user info in the DB such as unsalted password hashes, email addresses, etc)
[10:29] <HedgeMage> But for now I can get my notes and such in
[10:30] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: ok
[10:30] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:30]  * HedgeMage is in babbly overtired mode, please forgive her
[10:30] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: well I'd rather let you step on toes (including mine) as long as there's progress :)
[10:30] <HedgeMage> hehe
[10:31] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: I'm in a dazed and just got up a few minutes ago and doing some support at the same time mode so maybe it balances out :)
[10:36] <HedgeMage> heh
[10:36] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:18] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: okay, I just did a brain dump into http://github.com/HedgeMage/edubuntuorg/issues so feel free to take a look and add anything I missed, comment, whatever
[11:19] <HedgeMage> that goes for everyone else, too ^^^
[11:27] <HedgeMage> I'm going to attempt sleep until the munchkin wakes me up
[11:27] <HedgeMage> see you all later :)
[14:59] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:06] <sbalneav> stgraber: Looks like mvo fixied it.
[15:26] <stgraber> yep
[15:33] <sbalneav> He's good people.
[18:52] <dgroos> alkisg: Worked great.  My server w/out DVD now has Edubuntu.
[18:52] <alkisg> dgroos: nice! Did it give you any trouble till it worked?
[18:53] <dgroos> The first time I tried it it froze at copying 22%, but the second time worked flawlessly :)
[18:53] <dgroos> I added a couple of sentences to the wiki page, mainly highlighting the utility of the automation script.
[18:55] <alkisg> Heh... I didn't ask the page author when I put the automation paragraph, I hope he doesn't mind :)
[18:55] <alkisg> I just thought I'd put it somewhere, and that page looked like the best place
[18:56] <dgroos> I'm thinking...
[18:57] <dgroos> For a novice user such as myself, a page like that is overwhelming.
[18:58] <alkisg> So maybe I should create a different page, or a subpage, with just instructions on how to use the script?
[18:58] <dgroos> If you hadn't recommended the page to me, I'm not sure I would have gone so far down that page to the Karmic script, there was so much there I didn't get.
[18:58] <dgroos> Maybe.
[19:00] <dgroos> I wish I had a grand view of the wiki site (I hope to be involved in the wiki hug day) so i could suggest something.  But a new page, especially with a link from the Edubuntu install page, would probably be the best bet.
[19:01] <alkisg> highvoltage: ^^^ do you think it'd be better if I put it as a page somewhere in the edubuntu wiki?
[19:01] <dgroos> That web page starts out by saying that this is highly experimental and I get the impression that your script is past the alpha stage :)
[19:01] <alkisg> :)
[19:03] <highvoltage> alkisg: sounds like a good idea. we don't seem to have a sub-section for howtos/docs atm
[19:03] <highvoltage> alkisg: seems like we should :)
[19:04]  * alkisg thinks edubuntu is mostly about providing solutions with the existing tools, so such a section would be nice to have :)
[19:11]  * HedgeMage peeks in
[20:01] <Lns> Hey all
[20:02] <Lns> Does anyone know of a "session timer" for things like limiting a user's session to, say, 1hr. a day (think of things like public internet terminals in libraries, etc.)
[20:09] <HedgeMage> hi, Lns
[20:09] <HedgeMage> No, I don't, sorry.  I don't run a public lab, and my son's computer time is limited with a new and cutting-edge technology called "parenting" ;)
[20:11] <HedgeMage> Lns: Do you use identi.ca?
[20:19] <Lns> hahaha
[20:19] <Lns> nope, never heard of identi.ca - sounds like an openID thing
[20:20] <stgraber> it's an open source twitter
[20:20] <HedgeMage> Lns: You can use openid to log in -- it's an open source microblogging service.  Think twitter but less "I ate a bagel" "now I'm going to the restroom" and more "hey it's 1am and I just wrote a module for X that does Y"
[20:21] <HedgeMage> Lns: Anyhow, there's an edubuntu group on there we're trying to increase traffic on as part of the new web site and generally trying to up edubuntu's visibility
[20:23] <Lns> so it's more of a project/community based micro-blogging initiative?
[20:24] <HedgeMage> Yeah, more due to its user community than a technological difference.
[20:25] <HedgeMage> I actually was not a big fan of microblogging at all until the other morning I wrote a Drupal module for another project, mentioned it on identi.ca just because it uses one of their apis, and then it was live on 3 sites in just a few hours, with lots of feedback for improvements to it.
[20:25] <HedgeMage> I hadn't even posted it to drupal.org yet or released a public beta!
[20:28] <Lns> that sounds like something that could gain a lot of traction
[20:29] <HedgeMage> Yep :)
[20:29] <HedgeMage> I think it will be good for raising edubuntu.org's profile, though highvoltage gets credit for thinking to integrate it with the new site.
[20:30] <HedgeMage> Funny how I wrote the module that does the integration and hadn't thought of using it :o
[20:30]  * HedgeMage == dork
[20:30] <Lns> hahaha
[20:30] <Lns> I think it would be great for any community-based project, technical or not!
[20:31] <Lns> so would this be like multi-user feeds?
[20:32] <alkisg> Lns: about the user-timing, I heard a program for that in the last month, was that you mentioning the subject again? Or should I look at the logs?
[20:33] <HedgeMage> Lns: Edubuntu already has an identi.ca group.  The plan is to import all of that group's posts to our Drupal site, index them for our search, and show them in a block similar to what I did on frogandowl.org with their group.
[20:43] <Lns> alkisg: I don't think I've asked about it for a few years actually..
[20:44] <Lns> HedgeMage: can you explain "group posts" ? maybe i should just check out the site
[20:45] <Lns> ooh ic.. that's kinda like something i'd seen for ubuntu devs a while back
[20:45] <HedgeMage> Lns: basically, anything you post to identi.ca with !edubuntu in it becames part of our group's content
[20:45] <HedgeMage> Lns: You can use @username !groupname or #tag to put a post to the attention of a user, make it part of group content, or give it a tag :)
[20:45] <Lns> Are there official "groups" or can anyone put !edubuntu in it to get it in there? Say, some lame-o says "!Edubuntu sucks" - would that get processed?
[20:50] <HedgeMage> It would get processed, but the group admin can remove posts or block users from the group
[20:50] <Lns> gotcha
[20:50] <Lns> sounds like a very novel idea
[20:55] <HedgeMage> it seems to be catching on :)
[20:57] <alkisg> Lns: found it, the program mentioned was https://launchpad.net/~nanny
[20:58] <alkisg> I haven't tried it, but they said that it can be used to impose pc usage time limits
[20:58] <Lns> thx alkisg =) I'll take a look at it!
[20:59] <alkisg> http://projects.gnome.org/nanny/
[21:00] <Lns> awesome
[21:12]  * Lns doesn't really like projects that aim for a specific age group..."Nanny" with a baby stroller icon doesn't seem to fit well with public kiosk environments :p
[21:12] <Lns> alas, the code might be useful anyway
[21:12] <Lns> (besides Edubuntu anyway ;) )
[21:14] <alkisg> Lns: if you try to install it, you need to also install python-gtop - it should be in the program's dependencies, but it isn't
[21:14] <Lns> well the first thing I see wrong is that it requires gnome 2.28.. :(
[21:14] <alkisg> so, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nanny && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-gtop && sudo apt-get install nanny
[21:14] <alkisg> Lns: i'm running it in 9.10 as we speak, it looks fine
[21:15] <Lns> is it gnome specific?
[21:15] <alkisg> Yes
[21:15] <alkisg> (I think)
[21:15] <Lns> that's what the docs say but you never know
[21:17] <alkisg> The administration UI doesn't look childish at all. And the users don't see any UI...
[21:17] <Lns> i'll boot up my 9.04 vm and check it out
[21:17] <Lns> I think that has 2.28 on it..
[21:19] <alkisg> !info gnome-terminal jaunty
[21:20]  * alkisg slaps the bot to wake up...
[21:20] <Lns> doh
[21:20] <alkisg> See? slapping always works...
[21:20] <Lns> looks like i need to upgrade ;)
[21:21] <alkisg> Lns: why is there a jaunty package in the ppa, if it doesn't run there?
[21:21] <Lns> meh..might as well re-install 9.10
[21:21] <Lns> i dunno, i could try heh
[21:22] <Lns> alkisg: is add-apt-repository something new? i don't have that cmd in 9.04 and apt-cache doesn't find it either
[21:23] <alkisg> Lns: yeah it's new - I thought it was introduced in 9.04, but maybe it's >= karmic...
[21:23] <Lns> yeah looks like karmic+
[21:23] <alkisg> Lns: try a "locate add-apt-repository"
[21:23] <Lns> i'll just install karmic..don't need a jaunty vm anyway
[21:24] <Lns> it's outdated anyway ;)
[21:24] <alkisg> ok
[21:24] <alkisg> It's really handy for adding PPAs :)
[21:24] <Lns> yeah seriously!! =)
[21:24] <Lns> makes writing wiki pages much easier ;)
[21:28] <Lns> zoiks...don't have a 9.10 iso =p ...and the task list gets longer. ;)
[21:28]  * Lns <3 bittorrent
[22:22] <Lns> Where is the "Places" Gnome panel menu configured?
[22:24] <Lns> ah nm