[00:00] <shtylman> yea
[00:00] <nixternal> that's why :)
[00:00] <shtylman> ahh
[00:00] <nixternal> there aren't any karmic surveys available
[00:00] <shtylman> ok..will try in lucid
[00:00] <nixternal> it works with lucid
[00:00] <shtylman> also....if I put it into the panel
[00:00] <nixternal> at least it worked here :)
[00:00] <shtylman> bad things happen
[00:01] <nixternal> hrmm, don't know why, as it is a Plasma::PopupApplet
[00:02] <shtylman> hmm
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: 130 MB RAM
[00:02] <shtylman> well..I will try on lucid
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> actually, went up 10 MB now: http://imagebin.ca/view/NjcYHX.html
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> whoa, nepomukservicestub ain't exactly going easy on the RAM too
[00:04] <nixternal> hehe
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> Good thing file indexing isn't on by default
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> or at least I think it isn't
[00:05] <nixternal> it isn't unless you tell it to
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> good
[00:06] <nixternal> I told it to, it finished, but has been calculating for over an hour now the index
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah, at least it tells you what file it's at though
[00:06] <nixternal> yeah, that was cool
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> I made it skip my directory where all the ubuntu source packages are unpacked before I even tried to start it :P
[00:06] <nixternal> then I noticed it was indexing all of my .class files in a work directory
[00:07] <nixternal> only way I saw to stop the indexing, was to disable strigi
[00:07] <nixternal> had to go in and add *.class to the "DO NOT INDEX DAMNIT!" list
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> heh
[00:08] <nixternal> shtylman: hahaha, the progress bar fills up the status bar...nice!
[00:10] <ScottK> shtylman: Oh.
[00:10] <ScottK> Yeah, not so good
[00:10] <nixternal> fixing it now
[00:11] <nixternal> but who wants to put a survey in the panel
[00:11] <shtylman> well...I thought thats where it would live?
[00:11] <shtylman> and pop up a notification when there was a new survey
[00:11] <DasKreeCh> wow
[00:12] <DasKreeCh> Ok time to kill X while nepomuk "borrows" My computer
[00:12] <nixternal> shtylman: that's a good idea...I will definitely implement that now :)
[00:13]  * maco is back
[00:13] <shtylman> nixternal: :)
[00:13] <nixternal> actually...we only want it available for "new installs" so we can get feedback on all of that
[00:13] <nixternal> because each survey corresponds to a release version
[00:13] <shtylman> when I brought the idea up... I was thinking that it would sit there (maybe some daemon) or whatnot
[00:13] <shtylman> ahh
[00:14] <shtylman> and would tell you if a new survey was available
[00:14] <nixternal> but I like your idea though
[00:14] <shtylman> so for a fresh install
[00:14] <shtylman> you get the fresh install survey
[00:14] <nixternal> man, I just thought of another idea
[00:14] <shtylman> then maybe after a month of use
[00:14] <nixternal> each new survey could be a different topic
[00:14] <shtylman> you get another survey if there is one
[00:14] <shtylman> yea
[00:14] <nixternal> like after install, it uses the "install survey"
[00:14] <shtylman> so when we want to learn something about the user and their habits
[00:14] <nixternal> then after you have been running for a while, it uses a "general use survey"
[00:14] <shtylman> we "push" a survey
[00:14] <nixternal> something like that
[00:14] <shtylman> exactly
[00:15] <nixternal> hrmm, that might be a damn good idea
[00:23] <DasKreeCh> Wouldn't that have to be +time from install?
[00:23] <DasKreeCh> I install things months after release
[00:24] <DasKreeCh> So having it then pop up 5 surveys on install would suck
[00:24] <shtylman> DasKreeCh: yea... time after user's install
[00:24] <DasKreeCh> Maybe a dependency that takes either time from last survey completed or last survey shown?
[00:25] <nixternal> DasKreeCh: the nice thing about limesurvey, is we deactivate the survey, and if the survey isn't available, then the plasmoid wouldn't notify you of it
[00:25] <ScottK> Five surverys at weekly intervals, but the interval declines if you don't do it.
[00:26] <ScottK> Minimum interval no more then 1 minute per survery after a few months of ignoring them
[00:27] <nixternal> hrmm, this sounds like something useing the opendesktop stuff
[00:27] <nixternal> we might be on to something bigger than the original idea Riddell had
[00:28] <nixternal> like, we could message people through the plasmoid and say "HEY! Do our survey now, or we will disable your shit!"
[00:28] <maco> now thatd be mean
[00:28] <maco> also, swearing's not sposed to be allowed in #*buntu* channels, even ones that end in "-devel"
[00:29]  * ScottK didn't notice any swearing, just slightly unconventiional adjective use.
[00:31]  * DasKreeCh mentions that KDE has usabilty surveys and they may be interested in this plasmoid
[00:32] <nixternal> oh lord, don't get me going on swearing in a channel now
[00:32] <shtylman> hahhaa
[00:32] <shtylman> I don't mind :) those are valid words the way I see it
[00:32] <nixternal> hehe
[00:32] <DasKreeCh> ScottK: Woudlnt that be a noun?
[00:33] <ScottK> DasKreeCh: Maybe.
[00:33] <maco> DasKreeCh: ok so im not the only one going "adjective? where?"
[00:33] <ScottK> I knew it wasn't an adverb.
[00:34]  * maco hands ScottK a 3rd grade grammar book
[00:34] <nixternal> hey, where is that opendesktop plasmoid stuff located?
[00:34] <ScottK> It was a long time ago I was required to care.
[00:34] <ScottK> I believe I was thinking of pronoun.
[00:36] <DasKreeCh> maco: wouldn't that be a tablet for ScottK ?
[00:39]  * ScottK doesn't predate paper, but does predate the electronic caculator.
[00:39]  * ScottK recalls when every mathematically educated person was expected to know how to use a slide rule.
[00:39] <maco> ScottK: in prairie times they used individual chalkboards
[00:40] <shtylman> ScottK: wow...
[00:45] <DasKreeCh> I know how to use a slide rule
[00:45] <DasKreeCh>  nprobably work pretty well with an abacus
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: kdeplasma-addons
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> 509 MB index for 185 GB of data. reasonable
[01:17] <DasKreeCh> dood
[01:18] <nixternal> wow
[01:18] <nixternal> gotta love freenode, here we go again
[01:22] <DasKreeCh> Anyone knows if you have to flip an option on compile to get tabbed windows in kwin?
[01:22] <claydoh> heck I just though I had stalkers
[01:57] <maco> seele: i think i wanted to know if you were going on the linuxchix ski trip
[02:12] <nixternal> jeesh, a ski trip?
[02:12] <nixternal> I wish we had a Linuxchix here that was active....Linux is like so yesterday now to all of the geex
[02:13] <nixternal> a lot of our linux devs around here have switched from linux to mac osx I noticed recently
[02:13] <nixternal> and they all talk about how great either ruby on rails is, or how haskell, couchdb, and home-brewed beer kicks aass
[02:22] <shtylman> hahaha
[02:23] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, couch-db is pretty good :) IMHO
[02:24]  * shtylman is making progress on new kdm theme: http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/kdm2.png
[02:24] <shtylman> I feel like it is missing something...
[02:27] <nixternal> yes, it is missing a button that says "LOGIN!" without that users don't know what to do next :p
[02:28] <shtylman> interesting
[02:28] <shtylman> did the old one have a button for that
[02:28] <nixternal> no, and it is/was a bug report somewhere
[02:29] <shtylman> k
[02:29] <nixternal> I thought they were going to totally redo kdm, I guess that has been put on a back burner somewhere, because I haven't seen a thing about it in a while
[02:29] <shtylman> they are working on it to use plasma stuff iirc
[02:29] <shtylman> but not for 4.4
[02:30] <nixternal> ahh, yeah that's what they were going to do
[02:30] <nixternal> i think everyone should have to log in at tty1, and then startx
[02:30] <nixternal> man, I miss those days
[02:31] <shtylman> hahaha
[02:50] <DasKreeCh> nixternal: You loved installing Slackware admit it :)
[03:05] <shtylman> nixternal: http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/kdm3.png
[03:05] <shtylman> would that work as a login button?
[03:08] <nixternal> I kind of like that
[03:08] <nixternal> don't know about the 2 horizontal lines there, but that arrow is kind of groovy in the image
[03:09] <shtylman> k
[03:10] <ScottK> Anyone can open winmail.dat files with kmail?
[03:10] <ScottK> ktnef went away starting in 4.2 becuase it was just supposed to work.
[03:10] <ScottK> Gues what ....
[03:23] <DasKreeCh> Geez people can be idiots sometimes
[03:25] <DasKreeCh> Someone ♻ on identi.ca with the exact same groups  the original had so I ask him in future to swap out the groups or add something new to the dent
[03:25] <DasKreeCh> He goes off how I'm trying to control him and free speech on the internet and I should mind my own damn business
[03:31] <seele> maco: the ski trip elwing is organizing or a different one?
[03:31] <seele> maco: the only linux chix event i know of is spa world
[03:31] <maco> seele: yes that'n
[03:31] <seele> maco: ah, i dont think it is during a weekend i can go
[03:31] <maco> yeah 'chix are requiring me to save up some dough lately
[03:31] <maco> its president's day weekend
[03:32] <seele> what's the calendar day
[03:32] <maco> 19-21 feb
[03:32] <maco> the weekend after Riddell leaves town
[03:32] <seele> hum.. i dont see anything on my calendar i wonder why i thought i couldnt go
[03:34] <maco> we shall have to laugh at Riddell for missing out on hot tub time with linuxchix :P
[03:34] <maco> since he loves hot tub time so much
[03:34] <maco> i'm told you also avoid hot tub time with fossy people
[03:39] <seele> hmm maybe Riddell is just disappointed i wont get in the hottub with him :P
[03:41]  * crimsun exits the catfight
[03:41] <maco> hi crimsun :)
[03:41]  * seele is married ;P
[03:42] <maco> seele: i told him i wouldnt go into hot tubs at foss things because too many dudes. he said seele doesnt ever want to get in the hot tub either for some reason
[03:48] <maco> crimsun: this isnt a catfight. this is girltalk.
[03:49] <maco> Riddell seems to do fairly well overall at getting kde ladies into bikinis and large quantities of water, judging by photos from the beach and various hottubs
[03:49] <maco> just fails at it with the two of us
[03:50] <crimsun> maco: unimportant, really. I don't always put "j/k" or ";)" or whatever.
[03:58] <shtylman> I think I have a winner here: http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/kdm4.png
[04:01] <verbalshadow> shtylman still don't like that background
[04:01] <shtylman> verbalshadow: I know... but if its gonna be the default then best make things that work with it
[04:02] <shtylman> cause it will be what ksplash will use
[04:02] <shtylman> as well
[04:02] <shtylman> im going for a more seemless transition
[04:03] <verbalshadow> did someone actually decide that Kubuntu is going to ship with that BG as default
[04:04] <verbalshadow> shtylman i white/grey/black BG can fade into any Wallpaper
[04:05] <verbalshadow> or any solid color
[04:06] <nixternal> shtylman: I hate those power buttons, other than that, perfect pick on the login arrow, super yummy :)
[04:06] <nixternal> the power/menu buttons look like they don't belong
[04:06] <maco> i agree with whomever said that wallpaper was too loud
[04:06] <nixternal> if they matched the login arrow, you definitely have a winner
[04:06] <nixternal> maco: ditto
[04:07] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/4166196183/
[04:07] <nixternal> that is the wallpaper we should be using :)
[04:10] <shtylman> haha
[04:10] <shtylman> thats...intense
[04:10] <shtylman> I use solid black
[04:11] <nixternal> my friend took that picture when we were downtown a while back
[04:11] <shtylman> thats cool
[04:11] <nixternal> if it is a groovy distro/de related wallpaper, I will use it, otherwise it has to be a chicago wallpaper :)
[04:12] <nixternal> though, I have a few I use to have fun during presentations
[04:12] <nixternal> like during the elections, I had a McCain/Palin wallpaper that people just loved
[04:12] <nixternal> now I use my "Obama, WTF WERE WE THINKING?"
[04:12] <shtylman> hahha
[04:13] <nixternal> wallpapers can be good tools for presentations, to see what your audience is like...for instance, an analog clock display 4:20...the ones who giggle or like it are pot smokers
[04:14] <nixternal> and to see who the real pot heads are, the dancing bears from grateful dead :)
[04:15] <nixternal> or, my Acid Burn and Zero Cool wallpapers from hackers :p
[04:16] <ScottK> nixternal: Locally you could use, "Obama, at least he's out of town."
[04:16] <nixternal> oh, that is my saying, and I have a shirt that says that
[04:16] <nixternal> it was great when I worked next door to the obama head quarters...I would wear McCain/Palin t-shirts to work every day
[04:16] <nixternal> dude, you don't know how many times I almost got my ass kicked for that
[04:17] <nixternal> the same people who said bush was evil wanted to inflict harm on me....I hate hypocrites
[04:17] <nixternal> like republicans who are against abortion but all for the death penalty...why am I republican again? :p
[04:18] <ScottK> These would be the same ones that hated Bush's policies on Iraq and Afghanistan during the election and don't say a peep now that Obama is doing pretty nearly the same thing.
[04:19] <crimsun> mindless over matter
[04:20] <crimsun> doesn't matter much to us, "SSDD"
[04:21] <nixternal> hehe
[04:22] <nixternal> it's funny, I lived in DC during the clinton years, which were great times...the scandal was so much fun to be around....then when I moved back to Chicago I though I was going to miss it...hell no, we have even more scandal here
[04:23] <nixternal> though I missed the governor getting arrested because I was at UDS
[04:23] <crimsun> for shame!
[04:23] <nixternal> and now he is on the apprentice
[04:23] <nixternal> I hate the old governor, but I have a part of me that hopes he is not found guilty
[04:24] <nixternal> just so we will have a fun few years of people going "oh shit, we messed up"
[04:24] <maco> nixternal: one of my friends says the death penalty is ok but abortion is bad because at least the death penalty people are guilty.  ...i think she has a romanticised notion of how well the courts work. particularly when she's not ok with using eggs in vaccines...
[04:24] <maco> (for the animals!)
[04:25] <crimsun> oh man, denialists are the bestest.
[04:25] <nixternal> yeah, those people get on my nerves...usually they are fueled by christianity
[04:25] <nixternal> which makes it worse most of the time
[04:25] <maco> crimsun: im talking about J you know
[04:25] <maco> nixternal: she's atheist
[04:25] <nixternal> which is odd
[04:25] <crimsun> shrug, people are irrational
[04:25] <nixternal> actually, no its not
[04:25] <maco> she says she's pro-innocent-life
[04:25] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:26] <nixternal> she create a new genre
[04:26] <maco> fetuses and animals are innocent, but criminals (if found guilty in an imperfect system) are not
[04:26] <crimsun> I'll tell you what isn't innocent: scons
[04:26] <maco> scons?
[04:26] <nixternal> but it doesn't work, how do we know the baby is innocent? what if it grows up to be a killer? wouldn't it be better to take care of it now?
[04:26] <maco> thats a package isnt it?
[04:26] <nixternal> just kidding by the way
[04:26] <maco> nixternal: Minority Report?
[04:26] <nixternal> I am pro-life except in certain situations
[04:27] <nixternal> maco: oh yeah, that was the movie
[04:27] <nixternal> I couldn't think of it
[04:27] <nixternal> I would be pro-choice, if those making the choice were intelligent enough to realize that it wasn't a form of birth control
[04:27] <maco> i was amused it was always the female Seer (or whatever they called it) who gave the alternate timeline
[04:27] <nixternal> i fell asleep in the movie
[04:27] <nixternal> tom cruise hasn't been any good since top gun and days of thunder :p
[04:28] <maco> nixternal: but it is birth control. its just not a contraceptive. ie, it prevents birth not conception
[04:28] <nixternal> i am also a firm believer that I shouldn't meddle in other people's business
[04:28] <nixternal> so I have since put down the guns and stopped stalking the clinics :p
[04:29] <maco> O_o
[04:29] <nixternal> haha
[04:29] <nixternal> those people kill me
[04:29] <nixternal> we are going to save a life by taking a life
[04:29] <maco> nixternal: did you ever see "Saved!"?
[04:29] <nixternal> no I didn't, I don't think
[04:29] <maco> "what's a good christian girl doing going into Planned Parenthood?" "planting a pipe bomb?"
[04:30] <nixternal> ahahahahaha
[04:30] <nixternal> But none of it helps because Dean's caught and sent to a "degayification" center and Mary ends up pregnant.
[04:30] <nixternal> holy smokes, a degayification center....now that is hillarious
[04:30] <maco> my brother & i love the "I AM FULL OF CHRIST'S LOVE! *throws Bible at back of pregnant girl's head*" part
[04:30] <nixternal> I have to watch it now
[04:30]  * nixternal goes to tpb
[04:31] <maco> Ru Paul teaches the guys how to act straight and manly
[04:31] <nixternal> oh, I might have caught glimpses of that actually
[04:31] <maco> in seriousness though, i know someone that spent 2 years in a residential program to straighten himself out
[04:31] <maco> its pretty much all about acting masculine and being celibate
[04:33] <maco> nixternal: amusing: http://www.quakerbooks.org/doin_time_in_the_homo_no_mo_halfway_house.php
[04:34] <maco> crimsun: did you see him do Homo No Mo live?
[04:34] <nixternal> ahaha, watching the trailer for it
[04:34] <nixternal> "ALRIGHT! WHO DOWN WITH G-O-D?"
[04:34] <maco> i know we saw "No President Left Behind" and "Transfigurations" together
[04:35] <nixternal> maco: oh my, I am dying watching this trailer
[04:35] <nixternal> "I think you guys might be able to help Mary."
[04:35] <nixternal> "You mean by shooting her?"
[04:35] <nixternal> rofl
[04:35] <maco> link plz?
[04:35] <nixternal> imdb.com
[04:35] <nixternal> I am watching it on my desktop
[04:35] <maco> i think my brother scarpered with my copy of Saved!
[04:36] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[04:36] <nixternal> it is on tpb, but in italian with only 1 seeder
[04:37] <maco> crimsun: is pink audio out?
[04:38] <maco> mum's speakers arent plugged in
[04:38] <maco> uh. bigger problems than that.
[04:38] <maco> pulseaudio isnt running. and refuses to start.
[04:39] <maco> consolekit's not running either. um. ok
[04:40] <nixternal> found it :)
[04:41] <maco> found what?
[04:42] <nixternal> saved torrent
[04:42] <nixternal> 1.37GB...jeesh
[04:42] <maco> ok with console-kit-daemon and pulseaudio and using the green pluggy thingy...speakertest is at least happy
[04:46] <maco> hrmph. flash still silent.
[04:46] <shtylman> done http://apt.shtylman.com/stuff/kdm6.png
[04:47] <shtylman> will look into the power and other button
[04:47] <shtylman> but its the best ive got for now
[04:49] <nixternal> shtylman: don't forget about a userlist version too :)
[04:49] <maco> oh nope. its *just* alltrailers. youtube is fine
[04:49] <shtylman> userlist version?
[04:49] <nixternal> maco: ahh, yeah, alltrailers doesn't work
[04:50] <nixternal> shtylman: people like that list of users that is on the left of some of the kdm themes
[04:50] <shtylman> was that in the old one? I havn't seen that in ages
[04:51] <nixternal> yeah, me either
[04:51] <nixternal> but when the current kdm theme lost it, people started filing those bugs :)
[04:51] <nixternal> seems it has been quiet though concerning it for a while
[04:51] <maco> i use it..
[04:51] <maco> even though its just me
[04:51] <maco> then i dont have to type my username because it auto highlights me :)
[04:52] <crimsun> maco: No, haven't seen all of Homo No Mo. Pink is mic.
[04:52] <maco> crimsun: what's blue? line-in?
[04:52] <maco> or line-out? or soemthing?
[04:52] <maco> green seems to work
[04:52] <crimsun> line-in, yes
[04:53] <shtylman> maco: doesn't it already have your username filled out?
[04:53] <maco> ok
[04:53] <maco> shtylman: i dont think so...
[04:53] <crimsun> it's pretty aligned: all playback -> green
[04:53] <maco> been a while since i used it without a userpicker
[04:53] <shtylman> I see
[04:54] <maco> like...jaunty alpha 2
[04:54] <nixternal> I have my login dialog cleared every time
[05:14] <ScottK> Riddell: For the Karmic 4.3.4 backport, i386 is fully built and tested (I've installed it on two machines here).  amd64 just lacks kdeadmin building.  powerpc is fully built.  I expect kdeadmin will get built sometime while I'm asleep.
[05:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you would but an annoucement on kubuntu.org (my Tuesday is nuts).  In particular, there are security fixes in the backports packages that aren't in the PPA packages, so people should switch.
[05:15] <ScottK> I also updated the jaunty 4.2.4 backport with the new security fixes that have come out since the backport was done.
[10:02] <Riddell> a whole new Kubuntu day
[10:09] <Riddell> mm, 228 items in new queue, that should keep me busy
[10:14] <Riddell> Lure: I'll eynx exiv2 now
[10:15] <hunger> Any idea why I need polkit and polkit-1 installed? is kdebase-workspace-bin depending on the older one for a reason?
[10:16] <Riddell> hunger: in karmic?
[10:16] <hunger> Riddell: No lucid.
[10:16] <Riddell> yeah I think that transition isn't complete yet
[10:16] <hunger> Ah, thought so.
[10:17]  * hunger is cleaning up his noetbook due to running out of space there.
[10:18] <hunger> Is defoma going away? I see more and more ttf-debs no longer debending on it.
[10:19] <Riddell> I don't think I even know what that is
[10:20] <hunger> Riddell: Some debian specific font installing thingy. Obscure perl code... would be good ridance IMHO:-)
[10:29] <hunger> Any chance to get ksysgardd to use libsensors4? It is the only one not using libsonsors4 on my system.
[10:36] <Riddell> hunger: we can try and do that with the RC this week
[10:36] <hunger> Great!
[10:56] <freeflying> hunger: some fonts package still depends on defoma
[11:01] <hunger> freeflying: Yes, but apt-listchanges keeps refering to removal of dependency on defoma quite frequently recently when updatiung fonts.
[11:01] <hunger> freeflying: Just today defoma was removed from one of my chroots since it was no longer used:-)
[11:03] <freeflying> hunger: I have remove defoma from my packages already :)
[11:03] <freeflying> hunger: 1 yr ago :)
[11:03] <hunger> freeflying: Looks like you are way ahead of everybody else then:-)
[11:05] <freeflying> hunger: not really :)
[11:35] <ScottK> Riddell (and amichair): kdeadmin on amd64 just finished, so in ~70 minutes amd64 will be done for 4.2.4.
[11:35]  * ScottK naps
[11:56] <Lure> Riddell: is there a new strigi release planned for kde 4.4 rc?
[12:16] <markey> is libc6 "Version: 2.10.1-0ubuntu15" the fixed one, or still the old one?
[12:16] <markey> I got a bit confused
[12:17] <Riddell> Lure: not that I know of
[12:19] <Lure> Riddell: ok, no problem, will upload build1 version for library transition then
[12:20] <dpm> hi Riddell (and happy new year, btw!). I'm looking at the Lucid imports queue and I see a bunch of entries similar to "po/desktop_kde-l10n-de.pot in kde-l10n-de" - why is there a POT file for each language? The idea is that there is a single POT file and multiple translation files, otherwise translators will be presented to tenths of templates they won't be able to translate
[12:21] <dpm> so I guess there should be a single po/desktop_kde-l10n.pot file
[12:28] <Riddell> dpm: those can be ignored, I just havn't found a sensible way to work around generating the desktop .pot files for kde-l10n packages yet
[12:29] <dpm> Riddell, ok, I'll block them, thanks
[12:54] <ScottK> markey: Still the old one.  You  need to enable karmic-proposed to get the new one.
[12:54] <markey> oh ok
[12:54] <markey> thanks :)
[12:55] <markey> will try that
[12:55] <markey> Mamarok: ^
[12:56] <markey> ScottK: could you point me to the right repo? or can I enable that in Synaptic or so?
[13:16] <ScottK> markey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/425723/comments/12
[13:17] <markey> thx ScottK
[13:17] <markey> do you plan to roll that out in backports too?
[13:17] <markey> I think that might be a good idea
[13:17] <markey> the bug is so nasty, it causes all sorts of havoc
[13:18] <markey> something like 30% of reported amarok crashes (or so) are due to that bug
[13:19] <ScottK> It will go into karmic-updates which is enabled by default, so users should all get it unless they've explicitly disabled updates.
[13:21] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[13:23] <Riddell> salut agateau
[13:25] <agateau> Riddell: would it be feasible to integrate my dbusmenu work in Lucid alpha2?
[13:25] <agateau> Riddell: this would mean: a lib in kdesupport, patchs on kdelibs and kdebase-workspace :/
[13:26] <Riddell> agateau: can do
[13:26] <agateau> Riddell: what would be your deadline for this?
[13:27] <Riddell> agateau: alpha 2 is next week so it should all be in by tuesday.  KDE has an RC due this week so we can include patches with that or upload before as appropriate.  the main blocker is the new library getting main inclusion approval
[13:28] <agateau> Riddell: dbusmenu won't be in 4.4, only in 4.5
[13:29] <Riddell> agateau: when I say we can include patchese with that I mean for our package uploads not upstream
[13:30] <agateau> Riddell: oh main as in "Ubuntu main"
[13:30] <Riddell> agateau: yes, new packages in main need approval and this can take some time (or not, depends on how busy people are)
[13:31] <agateau> Riddell: who is responsible for this?
[13:31] <ScottK> agateau: Did you see the Quassel indicator bug I subscribed you to?
[13:31] <ScottK> agateau: ubuntu-mir team, but first it needs to be in the archive and a MIR needs to be prepared.
[13:31] <Riddell> agateau: the packager files a bug and it gets reviewed by someone on the ubuntu-mir team (pitti, asac usually)
[13:32] <agateau> ScottK: opening my mail client right now
[13:32] <ScottK> OK
[13:32] <Riddell> they pass it onto the security team if they think there is any security issues but I don't think that would be the case here
[13:32] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[13:33] <agateau> ScottK: can't find the bug report
[13:33]  * ScottK looks
[13:33] <Riddell> agateau: send me the details of what needs packaged/patched and I'll get onto it
[13:34] <ScottK> agateau: Bug #502409
[13:35] <agateau> Riddell: great thanks
[13:35] <agateau> Riddell: I guess I need to do a release of the kdesupport lib at some point though
[13:43] <Riddell> agateau: you can point me to the archive and I can just do a package from that
[13:44] <agateau> Riddell: ok, will post one on my people page
[13:45] <agateau> Riddell: hopefully this evening
[13:55] <markey> oooook, finally got the new libc6
[13:55] <markey> that seems to have worked
[13:55]  * markey happy
[14:02] <jussi01> ScottK: when does that package hit updates? (or has it already?)
[14:03] <ScottK> jussi01: No, it's still in proposed.  There's a minimum age requirement (to give time to uncover regressions) that I doubt will be waived.
[14:03] <jussi01> ScottK: when is the expected eta then?
[14:05] <ScottK> jussi01: IIRC, 10 days is the rule, so next Wed.
[14:05] <jussi01> ScottK: ok, thanks :)
[14:06] <Zorael> bin
[14:06] <Zorael> er, mistell.
[14:21] <DasKreeCh> How can I tell when nepomukservice is finished chewing through my data?
[14:22] <DasKreeCh> It's using ~80% of my CPU here after >12 hours of nepochewing
[14:26] <ScottK> When the heat death of the Universe arrives, I'm sure it'll be done.
[14:30] <DasKreeCh> I'm thinking that too
[14:30] <DasKreeCh> Can I run under the assumption that if I logout that it will a) keep running or b) failing that pick up where it left off ?
[14:31] <ScottK> That may be conservative, however
[14:31] <DasKreeCh> ha OK Well going to log off and see what it does
[14:41] <jussi01> has anyone any idea when virtuoso are releasing so we can have working kmail again?
[14:44] <Riddell> jussi01: I'm about to upload the 5.0.12 version
[14:44] <jussi01> Riddell: !!!!!!!!!!!! thank you!
[14:44] <Riddell> but first I'm trying to test it and I'm not getting dolphin returning any results
[14:44] <jussi01> :)
[14:44] <jussi01> Riddell: need any help there?
[14:44] <Riddell> which could be because it uses strigi and strigi hasn't done its thing, I'm not sure
[14:44] <Riddell> jussi01: how do I test it works?
[14:44] <jussi01> Riddell: kmail address book iirc
[14:45] <jussi01> my kmail seems seriously borked since, and that was the mentioned reason why
[14:46] <Riddell> hmm, akonadi start screen says "nepomuk uses inappropriate backend"
[14:46] <jussi01> Riddell: mrgh
[14:47] <jussi01> I get this lovelyness: http://paste.ubuntu.com/351804/
[14:49] <ScottK> Riddell: My day is less hectic than I feared, so unless you've already started, I'll go ahead and take care of announcing the move of 4.3.4 to backports from the PPA.
[14:50] <Riddell> ScottK: oh drat I forgot about that
[14:50] <Riddell> please do
[14:50] <ScottK> OK.
[14:50] <Riddell> jussi01: you get that when doing what?
[14:51] <jussi01> Riddell: open kmail -> check mail
[14:51] <jussi01> it times out then that
[14:52] <jussi01> Riddell: you happen to have an i386 deb I can just drop in and see if it works?
[14:53] <Daskreech> ok Nepomuk takes up over 1/2 of my RAM
[14:53] <Riddell> jussi01: in my ~jr PPA
[14:54] <Riddell> then see http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/virtuoso-once-more-with-feeling/
[14:56] <jussi01> Riddell: 5.0.12-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 ?
[14:56] <jussi01> or the -karmic one
[14:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Done.
[14:59] <Riddell> jussi01: that is the karmic one
[15:00]  * jussi01 head desks and downloads
[15:01] <ScottK> Riddell: If you want jussi01 to download it, you need to put it in a PPA labled "DO NOT USE".
[15:01] <jussi01> LOL
[15:02] <ScottK> You laugh like that's not true ....
[15:04] <jussi01> hrm... I dont seem to have: Edit ${KDEHOME}/share/config/nepomukserverrc with your favorite editor. In the ?[Basic Settings]? section add ?Soprano Backend=virtuosobackend?. Do not touch the main repository settings!
[15:04] <jussi01> do we put that somewhere else?
[15:05] <Riddell> huh?  you need to add it yourself
[15:05] <jussi01> oh nvm....
[15:06]  * jussi01 hides...
[15:07] <Riddell> and then you have to fiddle with things in system settings -> desktop search
[15:10] <jussi01> hrm, its "indexing"
[15:12] <Riddell> jussi01: can you download e-mail?
[15:12] <jussi01> i dont think so. Im checking other stuff to make sure its not a headdesk situation...
[15:15]  * Daskreech scrolls up. I thought we went past headdesk already
[15:15] <jussi01> Daskreech: headdesks can come more than once
[15:15] <Riddell> I don't see why nepomuk should stop you downloading e-mail
[15:16] <Daskreech> Ok so don't use them as progress markers in * Marble :)
[15:18] <Riddell> dolphin doesn't seem able to save ratings :(
[15:18] <jussi01> ok, mails seem to be downloading now... Ill tell you about addressbook in a min
[15:19] <Riddell> jtechidna: you said you had nepomuk working?
[15:20] <jtechidna> yeah
[15:20]  * Daskreech seems to have it working 
[15:20] <Riddell> Daskreech: dolphin can save ratings?
[15:20] <Daskreech> Oh Umm I don't know
[15:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: how did you test it?
[15:21] <Daskreech> Hold on I've been testing bangarang (It needs nepomuk) I've rated some things in there so lets see if dolphin picks that up
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> rate file, close dolphin, open dolphin
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> file still rated
[15:21] <Riddell> hmm, no luck here
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> tag searching on the other hand has been unsuccessful
[15:22] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what did you have to do to set it up?
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> I installed virtuoso-server and virtuoso-drivers, then went to the Desktop Search section of systemsettings and enabled Nepomuk and Strigi
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> after that, dolphin's "Information" side pane has the tags, comments and rating bits
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> oh, I also restarted nepomukserver
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> in between enabling stuff in systemsettings and running dolphin
[15:24] <jussi01> Riddell: email got!
[15:24] <jussi01> and addressbook seems to work
[15:25] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: Let me try tags. Ratings work cross apps here
[15:25] <Riddell> jussi01: on karmic?
[15:25] <jussi01> Riddell: yep
[15:26] <Riddell> jussi01: does dolphin save tags for you?
[15:26] <jussi01> Riddell: will I know that before indexing is done?
[15:26] <Riddell> jussi01: should do, file search will need indexing but I don't see why ratings would
[15:27] <Daskreech> Riddell: What's the test case for tags?
[15:27] <Riddell> no idea, never used tags
[15:27] <jussi01> Riddell: yes
[15:27] <jussi01> they work
[15:28] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: how did you test tags?
[15:28] <walrus> will 10.04 see further kubuntu customizations of kde w/ original artwork?
[15:28] <jussi01> how long can it take to delete a folder? o.O
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: hover over file, hit add tags, tag
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> that all works, but clicking on a tag or searching for tags fail
[15:28] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: and how did you determine it failed ?
[15:29] <Daskreech> ok
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> e.g. nepomuksearch:/mytag gives "no items found"
[15:29] <jussi01> ok, Im headed home, see you all there...
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> and hovering over a file tagged "mytag" and clicking
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> mytag in the info pane gives a "folder not found" error
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> "The folder nepomuk:/res/fc99e78b-d746-4be3-9eda-f2779bee281e/ does not exist"
[15:31]  * Daskreech heads to jussi01's house
[15:32]  * Daskreech confirms all of that
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> :/
[15:33]  * JontheEchidna goes off to file some nepomuk bugs
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> maybe I'll wait and see if RC fixes anything
[15:38] <Daskreech> or 6.0.1
[15:39]  * Riddell uploads virtuoso to archive
[15:39] <Daskreech> well actually that probably won't change anything
[15:40] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: what does nepomuksearch:/ show for you?
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> Blank dolphin view; status bar says no items found
[15:40] <Daskreech> same for nepomuksearch:/tag ?
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:44]  * Daskreech needs to find a way to discover nepomuk search formatting
[15:54]  * JontheEchidna did report this little number, though: kde bug 221416
[15:54]  * JontheEchidna haets that dialog
[15:55]  * ScottK always figured that was there to mean "It's not our fault it's slow".
[16:00] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: Where can I check for possible kioslaves?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> I don't think there's any list that you can check, unfortunately
[16:01] <Daskreech> though ScottK may have a better handle on it
[16:01] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: There is one. I've seen it I just can't recall where it is
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, well I have no knowledge of it then
[16:01] <Daskreech> I think it was something from KDE3 days that is simply hidden now
[16:02] <Mamarok> Daskreech: check bugzilla, the KIO slaves are listed in the project
[16:03] <Daskreech> Mamarok: Right but how do I know which ones I have installed :)
[16:05] <Mamarok> well, aren't those part of kdelibs?
[16:05] <Mamarok> except the daap one AFAIK
[16:05] <Mamarok> and the sftp is not in Karmic neither AFAIK
[16:13] <Daskreech> The app is kinfocenter
[16:15] <Daskreech> bah seems broken
[16:15] <Daskreech> It lists nepomuk:/ though
[16:18] <jussi01> hi Daskreech!
[16:19] <Daskreech> hi jussi01 !! :)
[16:19] <jussi01> welcome to myhouse!
[16:19] <Daskreech> $myhouse
[16:19] <jussi01> :D
[16:19] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: timeline:/ works :)
[16:26] <Daskreech> Riddell: Seems that nepomuk:/ is not installed
[16:30]  * Quintasan hands cookies and bottle of wine to Riddell
[16:31] <Quintasan> I can say it's a late xmas present for all of us ;)
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: nepomuk:/ should be installed:
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-runtime: /usr/lib/kde4/kio_nepomuk.so
[16:46] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: Hmm so why does nepomuk:/ return an error but nepomuksearch:/ doesn't ?
[16:46] <Daskreech> I'm trying to find a syntax for nepomuk:/
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> nepomuk is a broken piece of crap? :P
[16:46] <Daskreech> But... it has timeline:/ :-D
[16:47] <amichair> ScottK: thanks for the update :-)
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> all of timeline's folders are empty for me :(
[16:52] <Daskreech> Search doesn't work on tag or rating
[16:53] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: the Search URI never seems to change no matter what I put in
[16:54] <Daskreech> also it seems to refer to the internet which seems kinda like no net no search :(
[17:17]  * jussi01 upgrades his home machine to the 4.4 beta
[17:34] <Riddell> freeflying: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/fontconfig.postinst: 13: defoma-subst: not found" do you know about that sort of thing?
[17:38] <nixternal> maco: thanks for telling me about saved...watching it now, and I don't think I have stopped laughing yet
[17:49] <sebas> are virtuoso packages under way? :)
[17:49] <Riddell> sebas: sure, in my ~jr PPA
[17:49] <sebas> And a newer libssh version? That one's needed for the sftp KIO slave
[17:49] <sebas> Riddell: rocking :)
[17:50] <sebas> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:~jr ?
[17:50] <sebas> without ~ apparently :)
[17:57] <sebas> Riddell: sweet, I've Nepomuk now :)
[17:58] <Riddell> sebas: what do you use to test it?
[17:58] <sebas> Riddell: playing around with it now, tagging, rating and the search field in Dolphin
[18:02] <Riddell> sebas: does it work?
[18:09] <Daskreech> Search doesn't work for me
[18:09] <Daskreech> The URL updates btw but it doesn't show anything
[18:12] <maco> nixternal: i got the Ru Paul thing wrong. Ru Paul is in "But I'm a Cheerleader"
[18:13] <nixternal> ahh, this movie is good actually
[18:13] <Daskreech> Ratings work fine across apps and timeline:/ turns up stuff
[18:24] <mrvanes> I'm having dependancy problems on kubuntu karmic at the moment (kdepim-runtime) depends on an exact version of kdepim-runtime-data that's not available anymore (too low)
[18:25] <mrvanes> I have backports and kubuntu-ppa repo's active, maybe they conflict?
[18:27] <mrvanes> the same is true for kdepim-runtime-libs4
[18:35] <mrvanes> They depend on =4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1 but only 4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic3 is available!
[18:39] <maco> vorian: Jared?
[18:40] <vorian> ja, weierd eh?
[18:40] <vorian> should be fixored now
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/0.5.14-0ubuntu2 will break kdm...
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> only one way to find out!
[18:59] <vorian> cant be as bad as the time I broke it
[19:00] <kevin59> hello
[19:01] <kevin59> I'm looking for the konqueror introduction page file, do you know where it is ?
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> yup, kdm == broke
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> The upstart now waits on hal to start up, but since upstart no longer handles hal it never does, so kdm never shows up
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: you know what you were saying about startx earlier... :P
[19:04] <nixternal> lol
[19:10]  * JontheEchidna goes to pick up his new glasses
[19:28] <kevin59> do anyone know where konqueror introduction page file is ?
[19:30] <mrvanes> anyone care to have a look at my problem?
[19:31] <nixternal> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/apps/konqueror/about/
[19:31] <nixternal> kevin59: ^^
[19:39] <kevin59> I found this files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/konqueror/about
[19:40] <kevin59> I modified them but nothing changed
[19:48] <nixternal> well, the information that fills that up, you can see in the HTML like %6 and such, that is provided by the c++ code
[19:48] <nixternal> more than likely, the changes you are trying to make is located in a c++ file, which more than likely it is
[19:48] <nixternal> those HTML files really only hold the formatting
[19:51] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:51] <_Groo_> ScottK: ping
[19:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping
[19:51] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping
[19:59] <_Groo_> ppl, how do i add a new package to lucid? i made the wally package for lucid, its in my ppa
[20:00] <neversfelde> _Groo_: upload it to revu.ubuntuwire.com
[20:00] <neversfelde> and find to MOTUS, who review it
[20:01] <_Groo_> neversfelde: do i need to open a bug report?
[20:02] <neversfelde> _Groo_: no, not for new packages
[20:02] <neversfelde> sorry
[20:02] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ok uploading to revu
[20:02] <neversfelde> that was wrong, you have to open a [needs packaging] bug and mention it in the changelog
[20:03] <_Groo_> neversfelde: lol do i open a bug report then? :)
[20:05] <neversfelde> _Groo_: if there is none already, yes
[20:06] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ok
[20:13] <neversfelde> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic-backports main restricted
[20:13] <neversfelde> universe multiverse
[20:13] <neversfelde> tahts wrong in the latest news, isn't it?
[20:13] <neversfelde> shall I remove the -src ?
[20:14] <_Groo_> neversfelde: probably, i was about to say the same thing
[20:14] <_Groo_> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7314
[20:15] <_Groo_> for wally... gonna open the bug and change the changelog asap
[20:17] <_Groo_> neversfelde: where do i open the proper bug for lucid?
[20:17] <neversfelde> _Groo_: in Launchpad
[20:19] <_Groo_> neversfelde: lol that i know, but what bug? ubuntu wishlist?
[20:19] <neversfelde> _Groo_: call it [needs packaging] wally and tag it with needs-packaging
[20:23] <mrvanes> Anyone aware of the dependancy mismatch in karmic kde 4.3.4 at the moment?
[20:25] <neversfelde> I removed the -src from the news
[20:36] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ok https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/503539
[20:36] <_Groo_> and i uploaded a new build to revu with changes in changelog and control
[20:36] <_Groo_> now... groo looks for motus!!!
[20:36]  * _Groo_ is hunting MOTUS!
[20:38] <_Groo_> neversfelde: can you take a look at the package?
[20:39] <neversfelde> _Groo_: I am not a MOTU
[20:40] <_Groo_> neversfelde: so? i asked you to LOOK at it ;) see if everything is ok
[20:40] <neversfelde> why is Harald the XSBC-Original-Maintainer?
[20:40] <_Groo_> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7316
[20:42] <neversfelde> 3.8.1 is an old Standards-Version afaik and you should close the Bug with (LP: #000000) in the changelog
[20:42] <Lure> any coredev around to sponsor strigi build1 upload for exiv2 library transition: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/strigi.diff
[20:42] <neversfelde> the Maintainer field is also wrong
[20:43] <neversfelde> _Groo_: I do not have any tools here to have a closer look at it
[20:43] <_Groo_> neversfelde: are you sure? i just uploaded a second one to revu with the aforementioned changes
[20:43] <_Groo_> the 7316 one
[20:44] <neversfelde> well, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7314 says that these problems exist
[20:46] <_Groo_> neversfelde: thats the old one
[20:46] <_Groo_> see what i wrote above
[20:46] <_Groo_> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7316
[20:46] <_Groo_> 16 not 14 :D
[20:46] <_Groo_> and im uploading a new one with the correct standard version
[20:47] <neversfelde> _Groo_: the maintainer should be corrected also
[20:48] <neversfelde> Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[20:49] <neversfelde> _Groo_: why 1ubuntu0 ?
[20:49] <_Groo_> neversfelde: second build
[20:49] <neversfelde> a new Ubuntu package that is not in debian should be 0ubuntu1
[20:50] <_Groo_> ok, but i already uploaded one with 0ubuntu1... revu wont accept a new package unless i update the number
[20:50] <_Groo_> should i put 0ubuntu2 instead?
[20:50] <neversfelde> no
[20:50] <neversfelde> revu accepts packages with the same version
[20:50] <neversfelde> you probably have to use dput -f
[20:50] <_Groo_> neversfelde: really? cause ppa doesnt...
[20:50] <neversfelde> _Groo_: yes
[20:51] <_Groo_> but i already uploaded a higher number, what now? can i delete the uploaded ones
[20:53] <neversfelde> _Groo_: don't know
[20:54] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ¬¬
[20:54] <_Groo_> neversfelde: im uploading it anyway, lets see what revu complains about
[21:01] <_Groo_> neversfelde: i believe it sok now http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7319
[21:03] <neversfelde> _Groo_: you should add a watch file, thats the last problem I can see on revu
[21:03] <_Groo_> neversfelde: whats a watch file?
[21:04] <neversfelde> _Groo_: have a look at the new maintainers guide or the MOTU docs
[21:07] <_Groo_> neversfelde: can you point me the url of the motu docs? or the maint guide?
[21:07] <neversfelde> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[21:22] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ok i believe all is fine now: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/503539 and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7320
[21:22]  * _Groo_ invokes the MOTU GODS!
[21:22] <_Groo_> RISE, RISE!
[21:55] <_Groo_> ppl how do i disable the openoffice autostart? quickstart
[22:57] <claydoh> could we suggest to users on kubuntu.org to enable the 'unsupported' option in kpackagekit in order to get 4.3.4?
[22:57] <claydoh> instead of the repo line
[22:58] <ScottK> claydoh: Give me the text and I'll put it there.
[22:58]  * ScottK has no idea how to use kpackagekit.
[23:00] <claydoh> ScottK: will do , a  link to the wiki page on that subject will be included :)
[23:00] <ScottK> OK.  Great
[23:01] <claydoh> tho I just noticed the wiki does not mention enabling/disabling the main repos :(
[23:02] <claydoh> which is my bad actually
[23:37] <_Groo_> ScottK: hey scott
[23:37] <ScottK> Hey _Groo_.
[23:37] <_Groo_> ScottK: can you sponsor my bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/503539
[23:38] <ScottK> _Groo_: It needs to be on REVU and get two MOTUs to approve.
[23:38]  * ScottK doesn't have time right now anyway.
[23:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: its in revi
[23:39] <_Groo_> revu
[23:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7320
[23:39] <_Groo_> ScottK: its all in the bug report.. i followed the motu docs
[23:40] <ScottK> _Groo_: OK.  I'll try and look later.
[23:40] <_Groo_> ScottK: thanks...
[23:43] <_Groo_> ScottK: can you bug anoher MOTU to approve it if its ok?