[02:04] <iflema> __________________
[02:38] <bjsnider> !find aes.h
[02:54] <genii> Heh. Somewhat interesting to find synaesthesia for that request
[02:55] <genii> bjsnider: Likely you want libssl-dev
[03:05] <coz_> hey guys ... when can we expect nvidia drivers to work on lucid?
[03:06] <crimsun> when you volunteer to help get 190.5x in :-)
[03:06] <coz_> crimsun,  oh  :)
[03:08] <DanaG> ooh, now a generic variant of the CM106 card I got is now available for 25 or 30 bucks, rather than the 70 I paid for mine.
[03:10] <bjsnider> genii, that's correct. i think it will build this time
[03:12] <bjsnider> coz_, alberto is rewriting the build scripts for the nvidia driver. that is a work in progress. until then the nvidia-vdpau ppa has drivers you use. select the 195 if you use kde
[03:13] <coz_> bjsnider,  oh ok.... thanks :)
[03:13] <coz_> bjsnider,  its no biggie I was just curious as to the progress
[03:14] <bjsnider> i'd say he's almost done at this point
[03:14] <coz_> bjsnider,  that's cool :)  let him take his time
[03:15] <bjsnider> there will no longer need to be 47 files in the debian directory
[03:15] <bjsnider> or on mine, 51 files
[03:40] <bjsnider> genii, i can probably build this thing but i don't want you to get your hopes up that it will work very well
[03:41] <genii> bjsnider: No worries, I won't be any worse off than just not being able to play my blurays in linux... which I can't do right now anyhow.
[03:42] <bjsnider> i also coded in a script that copies a bunch of classified kgb documents into your home directory
[03:43] <bjsnider> sorry, that should read "declassified"...again "declassified"
[06:23] <NoelJB> Has anyone tried to upgrade from Hardy LTS to Lucid LTS Alpha 1?  I did it a couple of hours ago, it failed (oddly, went to Jaunty, and then after re-booting, let me go to Lucid, but that failed to upgrade properly and reboot failed).  Just restored back to Hardy, but thought I'd check in here before attempting again.
[06:25] <RAOF> I don't think the LTS->LTS upgrade work has been done yet; it'll probably wait until Lucid has settled down a bit more.
[06:26] <NoelJB> RAOF, thanks ... that is decidely unclear from http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha1#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.10%20or%20Ubuntu%208.04%20LTS
[06:27] <NoelJB> Which explicitly refers to 8.04 -> 10.4, even though it then mentions 9.10 without further mention of 8.04.
[06:27] <RAOF> Right.
[06:29] <NoelJB> does the Karmic -> Lucid path work?  Or should I just got for a clean install?
[06:29] <NoelJB> I can always restore Hardy to test the upgrade path later.
 Off to try to clean install ...
[06:35] <RAOF> Karmic -> Lucid will probably work.
[06:40] <ralf_e> are there plans to replace apparmor in ubuntu? (just wondering if it makes sense to create profiles for it at this point in time)
[06:41] <Hew> NoelJB, I did a Karmic -> Lucid upgrade around Alpha 1 and it worked for me.
[06:42] <NoelJB> Hew, thanks.  But right now, I think I'll just do a clean Lucid install (using the alternative installer so that I can keep GRUB 1).
[06:43] <RAOF> ralf_e: I'm not aware of any plans, but to be sure you'd want to check the blueprints & the security team.
[06:43] <NoelJB> At least I hope that they haven't fixed/broken that option.
[06:46] <RAOF> I think new installs get grub2 by default; you may be able to turn it off, though.  GRUB2 is now supporting most of what grub1 did, though, including mdraid I think.
[06:47] <NoelJB> Yes, but I have a fairly complex multi-boot setup, and not enough round TUITS to re-do the whole thing with GRUB2 at the moment.
[06:47] <NoelJB> Migrating to GRUB2 is on the agenda for when I get one or more round tuits, but it is a low priority.
[06:49] <NoelJB> Right now the only GRUB related issue that I have is being forced to use expert mode on the alternate installer in order to use GRUB1 instead of being forced to use GRUB2.
[07:05] <histo> If a package has been listed as accepted on the mailing list does that mean its availible now for lucid?
[07:05] <histo> !info usbmuxd lucid
[07:05] <histo> Yay
[07:05] <histo> nvm found my answer
[07:16] <histo> Hopefully they get some sort of music transfer working with iphones and ipod touches that would be nice.
[08:47] <iflema> ﻿gumtrolium: did ya see the ubuntu/moblin (re)mix
[09:23] <lokad> Hello together
[09:24] <lokad> I have a display problem with lucid lynx on my netbook but don't know on which package I should report a bug (or search for a report)
[09:25]  * BUGabundo_eyeswi yawns
[09:25] <lokad> The Screen ist garbled most times when I the boot (and there seem to be dialog boxes to tell me something - but i can't read them). CTRL-ALT-DEL promtly reboots the machine.
[09:26] <lokad> I can circumvent this by booting into maintanance mode an manually starting gdm.
[09:26] <BUGabundo_eyeswi> what GPU lokad ?
[09:26] <BUGabundo_eyeswi> and what Xorg version?
[09:27] <lokad> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[09:27] <lokad> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[09:28] <lokad> X: Version: 1:7.5~3ubuntu4
[09:29] <lokad> xserver-xorg-video-intel: 2.9.1-1ubuntu1
[09:29] <lokad> The text messages are OK at first, but after the garbled screen switching to a console yields a blank screen
[09:31] <BUGabundo_eyeswi> yeah, X 1.5 i known to be broken
[09:31] <BUGabundo_eyeswi> hang in there, if u did a distupgrade
[09:31] <BUGabundo_eyeswi> or try x-edgers PPA
[09:31] <lokad> Did a clean reinstall. On Karmic I was on lpia, but support was dropped
[09:33] <lokad> The "funny" thing is, these problems first surfaced when I attached an external monitor. but now it does not matter if it is attached or not
[09:34] <lokad> if x is known to be broken I think I can still wait a couple of days and see if some update fixes this.
[09:38] <BUGabundo_eyeswi> x has been a bit broken for several weeks , due to abi bump
[09:38] <BUGabundo_eyeswi> most drivers require to be upgraded to the new spec
[09:38] <BUGabundo_eyeswi> i think the PPA as a better version
[09:39] <BUGabundo_work> lokad: if the prob is related to the 2nd monitor, try nuking xorg.conf
[09:40] <lokad> have none
[09:40] <lokad> Only xorg.conf.failsafe
[09:43] <lokad> And Xorg.0.log / Xorg.0.log.old do not show anything conspicious ...
[09:43] <lokad> Oh, no log written, the date of Xorg.0.log.old is too early
[09:46] <lokad> No syslog either :(
[09:47] <BUGabundo_work> maybe disk mounted as RO ?
[09:49] <lokad> I mean no sylog for the incident. yeah, i think it did'nt get far enough for mounting rw.
[09:50] <lokad> One of the last viewable messages was about /home beaing clean
[09:52] <lokad> But to me it seems as if KMS and the intel driver get in their ways ... as I said - booting failsafe and then resuming the boot without any other actions but manually starting x yields to a perfect lucid lynx expeience
[10:06] <BUGabundo_work> maco: u quite a bit of RSS reading dont u ?
[10:06] <BUGabundo_work> and on several topics too
[10:11] <cdE|Woozy> lokad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/502838
[10:11] <lokad> Seems to fit, just reading it, thx
[10:42] <ripps> hmmm it seems nautilus-sendto-empathy is breaking ubuntu-desktop
[10:44] <ripps> and it seems libdirac is breaking my mplayer builds
[12:07] <om26er_> lucid's theme colour will be orange?
[12:13] <kinja-sheep> om26er: I don't know. From what I have been reading lately, it seems to be in a transition progress of orange --> chocolate brown --> green
[12:14]  * om26er think green might look cool
[12:14] <om26er> brown was too brown in karmic
[12:16] <kinja-sheep> om26er: I never use non-default settings. :)
[12:16] <kinja-sheep> Err, that was backward.
[12:16] <kinja-sheep> I never use default settings.
[12:16] <om26er> kinja-sheep: what fonts you use?
[12:17] <kinja-sheep> I'm curious about this green though. :)
[12:17] <kinja-sheep> Monospace.
[12:17] <om26er> ..
[12:18] <om26er> application font  ..
[12:19] <kinja-sheep> Sans.
[12:19] <kinja-sheep> Not everything then.
[12:20] <om26er> green should be very light green
[12:27] <kinja-sheep> I hate ImageShack 1.5MB limit.
[12:28] <kinja-sheep> om26er: I don't want it to be like OpenSuse green though.
[12:28] <kinja-sheep> om26er: http://imagebin.ca/img/PTcsbs.png
[12:32] <om26er> there is a green colour text when someone comes in or go out that colour also looks great
[12:32] <om26er> in xchat
[12:35] <kinja-sheep> Quit == Red -- Join == Green. :)
[12:36] <om26er> well yes join green
[12:36] <kinja-sheep> om26er: This is where I got the idea from -- http://irssi.org/themefiles/envy.png
[12:41] <kinja-sheep> om26er: Show me your screenshot, lol.
[13:31] <lukefeil> Hi
[13:36] <om26er> kinja-sheep: the greed mocup on the proposed ubuntusun theme  http://imagebin.org/78399
[13:41] <kinja-sheep> om26er: I have to take my dog out for bathroom. I'll be back. I always wonder if it is possible to force all MenuBars to remain hide until we hold ALT to call them back. This was possible with Firefox addon (Hide Menubar) but the closest thing I ever came is Gnome-Global but that places the menubar on panel instead of hiding them.
[13:41] <kinja-sheep> I never could find a solution or answer to that. I will try and propose that idea to gnome-global since they seems to know what they're doing.
[14:08] <acicula> gnome-shell is purdy
[14:14] <om26er> cannot install in lucid dependencies error
[14:15] <acicula> ah yeh im lucid so not running the alpha
[14:24] <BUGabundo_work> om26er: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:24] <BUGabundo_work> pastebin any errors
[14:48] <yofel> BUGabundo_work: remember me complaining about firefox freezing? Found the reason. 'sudo service apparmor stop' and everything works fine
[14:48] <acicula> ah, firefox apparmor profiles being enforced by default now?
[14:49] <acicula> yofel: you could look in the logs and see what access firefox is being blocked from using?
[14:49] <yofel> acicula: in which log file do I need to look?
[14:50] <acicula> i think apparmor just logs messages into syslog
[14:50] <BUGabundo_work> yofel: ahahhaahaha
[14:50] <BUGabundo_work> heck...
[14:51] <BUGabundo_work> that would explain why my laptop is so slow sometime
[14:51] <acicula> you can just drop the firefox process from enforce to complain mode
[14:52] <acicula> that will force apparmor to log accesses wich are not explicitly allowed in the profile
[14:52] <acicula> but still allow them
[14:55] <BUGabundo_work> 1st time i hear from this acicula eheh and he is teaching us new stuff
[14:55] <BUGabundo_work> acicula: front and center, present yourself
[14:55] <BUGabundo_work> :p
[14:55] <yofel> here's what my syslog says -  I don't understand a word of it http://paste.ubuntu.com/351809/
[14:55] <acicula> BUGabundo_work: i lurk mostly
[14:56] <acicula> i used it a few years ago to secure some crappy old php4 stuff with changehat
[14:56] <BUGabundo_work> yofel: its blocking something most defintly
[14:56] <yofel> BUGabundo_work: ok, *that* much I understand, but thats about it
[14:56] <BUGabundo_work> yofel: know on #ubuntu-mozillateam doors
[14:57] <acicula> well who maintains the firefox apparmor profile?
[14:57] <yofel> the mozilla team afaik
[14:57] <BUGabundo_work> i've "invited" asac here
[14:57] <joaopinto> apparmor profiles have been some trouble makers :)
[14:57] <yofel> heh
[14:57] <acicula> heh i'll bet
[14:58] <joaopinto> apparmor for desktop apps can be complex
[14:58] <acicula> its trying to create/access a node in /dev somewhere with a write attribute?
[14:58] <asac> whats up?
[14:58] <asac> BUGabundo_work: ^
[14:58] <BUGabundo_work> asac: ask yofel . his prob
[14:59] <yofel> asac: It's about me, give me a moment to explain
[14:59] <BUGabundo_work> well, i may prove my probs too
[14:59] <BUGabundo_work> FYI and reference, we are talking about http://paste.ubuntu.com/351809/
[15:00] <asac> what problems do you encounter because of that?
[15:00] <yofel> I had firefox 3.5/6/7 using 100% on startup on some pcs with the window contents not being refreshed (but you could still click blindly and it would work)
[15:00] <yofel> stopping apparmor fixed that
[15:01] <acicula> abstractions/audio:/dev/shm/ r,
[15:01] <BUGabundo_work> acicula: »
[15:01] <BUGabundo_work> ?
[15:01] <acicula> on karmic its just set to r
[15:01] <yofel> the odd thing is that this doesn't happen always
[15:01] <asac> yofel: can you reproduce?
[15:01] <asac> try the latest dailies
[15:01] <asac> they include a bunch of apparmore improvements
[15:02] <yofel> i mean: x64 notebook: 3.5/6/7  i386 eeePC: 3.6/7, x64 desktop: none
[15:02] <acicula> BUGabundo_work: i was just having a look at the generic shm profile in karmic, for firefox they either include that or specify something custom i guess?
[15:02] <asac> yofel: which versions are you running? latest daily?
[15:03] <yofel> asac: 3.5 is the official lucid version, 3.6/7 are the latest daily, but lemme check for updates again
[15:04] <asac> hmm. definitly try the latest 3.5 from daily too ... i am not sure if the apparmore improvements landed everywhere
[15:04] <yofel> ah, now I know why 3.5 works on my eeePC, on starting apparmor: 'Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.firefox-3.5'
[15:04] <asac> if that doesnt help, please open a bug and give me the bug id through BUGabundo_work (as i will leave this channel sooner or later)
[15:04] <BUGabundo_work> yofel: how can u be running 3.5 archive if u have daily ppa?
[15:04] <BUGabundo_work> pinned down?
[15:04] <yofel> BUGabundo_work: yep
[15:05] <yofel> ffx 3.5 and xul 1.9.1 are pinned
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> asac: u should hang around. this is the cool ppl :D
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> crazy dude
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> i thought apt pins were broken
[15:06] <yofel> BUGabundo_work: aptitue doesn't really respect them like it should, but it does respect <0 and >1000 pins
[15:08] <yofel> asac: nope, even the newest 3.6 build (33473) hangs whit apparmor enabled
[15:09] <yofel> *with
[15:09] <asac> well
[15:09] <asac> what read what i said above
[15:10] <asac> 3.6 might not have  those apparmor fixes. hence trying latest 3.5 is important
[15:10] <yofel> ok, lemme get rid of my pin for a while
[15:11] <asac> yofel: ok got a confirm that it shouldnt matter
[15:11] <asac> please file a bug against firefox-3.5 and attach the dmesg output and the symptoms
[15:11] <asac> then give me bug id
[15:29] <om26er> ubiquity is giving an error on today's live cd
[15:30] <om26er> ubiquity.components.partman failed with exit code 141.
[15:46] <yofel> BUGabundo_work: check #ubuntu-mozillateam for the root cause of this stupidity... and laugh
[15:48] <acicula> what was the funny root cause?
[15:49] <yofel> acicula: me somehow having export TMPDIR=/dev/shm in my .bashrc and apparmor thinking that's a security breach
[15:49] <acicula> ah
[15:50] <acicula> yeah :)
[15:50] <acicula> that makes perfect sense really
[15:50] <acicula> its path based though
[15:50] <acicula> so maybe you can trick it anyway with a link
[15:50] <yofel> yep, it does make sense, once you actually find it...
[15:51] <yofel> acicula: oh, I could add it to /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/user-tmp
[15:51] <yofel> but I'll just remove that line from my .bashrc
[15:51] <yofel> I don't remember any reason why I would need that
[15:52] <acicula> use a temporary storage thats in memory rather then on disk without mounting tmpfs on /tmp?
[15:53] <yofel> acicula: might have been the reason once, but I have /tmp as tmpfs right now anyway
[16:11]  * BluesKaj wonders if handbrake from karmic will work on lucid
[16:13] <BUGabundo_work> !info handbrake
[16:13] <BUGabundo_work> !search handbrake
[16:13] <BUGabundo_work> bot loves me not
[16:17] <acicula> err
[16:18]  * BUGabundo_work slaps bot out of this world
[16:19] <acicula> must be a unicode thing, lol
[16:21] <mbeierl> I didn't know handbrake was even in the repos.  I've even just recently gone to handbrake.fr to get the deb
[16:22] <acicula> its in karmic too
[16:22] <acicula> handbrake-cli - versatile DVD ripper and video transcoder - command line
[16:22] <BUGabundo_work> !google handbrake ppa
[16:22] <BUGabundo_work> yes you are stupid, bot
[16:22] <BUGabundo_work> !ghandbrake ppa
[16:22] <BUGabundo_work> !g handbrake ppa
[16:22] <acicula> or did i add the ppa perhaps
[16:23] <Pici> BUGabundo_work: The bot doesn't google for you.
[16:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, the ppa seems empty altho it claims to install
[16:23] <BUGabundo_work> https://edge.launchpad.net/~handbrake-ubuntu/+archive/ppa
[16:23] <Pici> I vaugely recall someone talking about packaging handbrake for Lucid before the holidays.
[16:25] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo_work, i added the karmic ppa to my sources list and did the signing key etc , when i tried to install there's no installation candidate
[16:25] <Pici> Oh, maybe I misread, nevermind :/
[16:25] <BluesKaj> so I just installed the deb from the handbrake site ,
[16:26] <BUGabundo_work> BluesKaj: i get the same with songbird PPA
[16:26] <JFo> BUGabundo_work, sinbot in #ubuntu-us-nc does google
[16:26] <BUGabundo_work> something is funky with APT db
[16:26] <JFo> that may have been what you were thinking about
[16:26] <BUGabundo_work> i clean it, and manually removed the sources list
[16:26] <BUGabundo_work> nothing
[16:26] <BUGabundo_work> JFo: i'm in SOOOO many #s i loose track. plus my client (at home, pidgin) does it for me
[16:27] <BUGabundo_work> but darn web chat doesnt
[16:27]  * BUGabundo_work misses mibbit
[16:27] <JFo> heh
[17:22] <mbeierl> Ok, giving lucid a spin... just curious...
[17:33] <coz_> is plymouth funtioning  at this point?
[17:34] <coz_> functioning
[17:43] <^arky^> what's is mountall: cannot connect to Plymouth at boot
[17:47] <coz_> ^arky^,  seems not many are able to answer or perhaps not at their systems right now
[17:51] <genii> ^arky^: Seems to be 3-4 pages about that error at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1357117
[17:57] <bjsnider> genii, if you want to test the bluray stuff, i have karmic packages waiting
[17:58] <bjsnider> i can also send in lucid stuff if you so desire
[17:58] <bjsnider> it will take at least another half hour to build though
[17:58] <genii> bjsnider: I hosed my karmic install, so i have for now just Jaunty and Lucid
[17:59] <bjsnider> well, i'm more interested in the stable code in the next couple of weeks anyway
[17:59] <^arky^> thanks genii
[18:27] <mbeierl> empathy doesn't work right now in lucid?
[20:21] <yoasif_> i have a pretty hilarious issue on my laptop... my keyboard doesn't work for input, neither does a usb keyboard... the system crashed (overheated), any ideas, or should i just format
[20:38] <bjsnider> that's not in the slightest bit hilarious
[20:43] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, do you belong to the linux club in Sudbury ? someone told me there was one ....not that I'd bother to attend :)
[20:48] <yoasif_> bjsnider, yeah not at all -- any ideas on what i might be able to do?
[20:48] <yoasif_> i am syncing files over, preparing for a reinstall
[21:12] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, sudbury is too far away from here
[21:19] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, sry , I forgot , thought you were in this area
[21:23] <jimerickson> can't get a login prompt in my vt until i run "exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1". any ideas?
[21:54] <histo> !info usbmuxd lucid
[21:55] <histo> Has anyone testing their iphone/ipod with lucid?
[21:55] <histo> I'm seeing nothing in the forums.
[22:05] <histo> usbmuxd should be a huge step in getting the iphone and ipod touches working. They just need to update libgpod or whatever to allow music transfer
[22:15] <_sky> what kind of filesystem does an iphone use?
[22:25] <Unksi> _sky: os x uses hfs+ so wouldnt be surprised for iphone to use that too
[22:28] <bjsnider> Unksi, you forgot "the horrendous". hfs+ was officially renamed to "the horrendous hfs+" several years ago by its many haters.
[22:29] <Unksi> hehe
[22:41] <jmworx> If I want a new version of my package to make it into ubuntu+1, when's the latest it can go into debian unstable?
[22:53] <bjsnider> jmworx, check the merge window in the schedule for lucid
[22:59] <jmworx> bjsnider: Where can I find that?
[23:01] <bjsnider> !schedule
[23:21] <histo> _sky: idk but its runing unix. They use some sort of drm with md5 hashing or something for filenames
[23:21] <histo> _sky: they don't use normal usb connection thats were usbmuxd comes in.
[23:22] <histo> Ughh lucid is not going to support iphone/ipod touch out of the box.
[23:22] <histo> I installed usbmuxd but looks like some other files are needed.
[23:42] <histo> can anyone verify that rhythmbox doesn't open?
[23:42] <histo> It appears to just hang and never come up
[23:48] <gnubie> histo, I rythhmbox from a terminal and the error I get says Unable to create Ayatana Watcher proxy