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iflema__________________02:04
bjsnider!find aes.h02:38
ubottuFound: synaesthesia02:38
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geniiHeh. Somewhat interesting to find synaesthesia for that request02:54
geniibjsnider: Likely you want libssl-dev02:55
coz_hey guys ... when can we expect nvidia drivers to work on lucid?03:05
crimsunwhen you volunteer to help get 190.5x in :-)03:06
coz_crimsun,  oh  :)03:06
DanaGooh, now a generic variant of the CM106 card I got is now available for 25 or 30 bucks, rather than the 70 I paid for mine.03:08
bjsnidergenii, that's correct. i think it will build this time03:10
bjsnidercoz_, alberto is rewriting the build scripts for the nvidia driver. that is a work in progress. until then the nvidia-vdpau ppa has drivers you use. select the 195 if you use kde03:12
coz_bjsnider,  oh ok.... thanks :)03:13
coz_bjsnider,  its no biggie I was just curious as to the progress03:13
bjsnideri'd say he's almost done at this point03:14
coz_bjsnider,  that's cool :)  let him take his time03:14
bjsniderthere will no longer need to be 47 files in the debian directory03:15
bjsnideror on mine, 51 files03:15
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bjsnidergenii, i can probably build this thing but i don't want you to get your hopes up that it will work very well03:40
geniibjsnider: No worries, I won't be any worse off than just not being able to play my blurays in linux... which I can't do right now anyhow.03:41
bjsnideri also coded in a script that copies a bunch of classified kgb documents into your home directory03:42
bjsnidersorry, that should read "declassified"...again "declassified"03:43
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NoelJBHas anyone tried to upgrade from Hardy LTS to Lucid LTS Alpha 1?  I did it a couple of hours ago, it failed (oddly, went to Jaunty, and then after re-booting, let me go to Lucid, but that failed to upgrade properly and reboot failed).  Just restored back to Hardy, but thought I'd check in here before attempting again.06:23
RAOFI don't think the LTS->LTS upgrade work has been done yet; it'll probably wait until Lucid has settled down a bit more.06:25
NoelJBRAOF, thanks ... that is decidely unclear from http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha1#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.10%20or%20Ubuntu%208.04%20LTS06:26
NoelJBWhich explicitly refers to 8.04 -> 10.4, even though it then mentions 9.10 without further mention of 8.04.06:27
RAOFRight.06:27
NoelJBdoes the Karmic -> Lucid path work?  Or should I just got for a clean install?06:29
NoelJBI can always restore Hardy to test the upgrade path later.06:29
NoelJB<<shrug>> Off to try to clean install ...06:35
RAOFKarmic -> Lucid will probably work.06:35
ralf_eare there plans to replace apparmor in ubuntu? (just wondering if it makes sense to create profiles for it at this point in time)06:40
HewNoelJB, I did a Karmic -> Lucid upgrade around Alpha 1 and it worked for me.06:41
NoelJBHew, thanks.  But right now, I think I'll just do a clean Lucid install (using the alternative installer so that I can keep GRUB 1).06:42
RAOFralf_e: I'm not aware of any plans, but to be sure you'd want to check the blueprints & the security team.06:43
NoelJBAt least I hope that they haven't fixed/broken that option.06:43
RAOFI think new installs get grub2 by default; you may be able to turn it off, though.  GRUB2 is now supporting most of what grub1 did, though, including mdraid I think.06:46
NoelJBYes, but I have a fairly complex multi-boot setup, and not enough round TUITS to re-do the whole thing with GRUB2 at the moment.06:47
NoelJBMigrating to GRUB2 is on the agenda for when I get one or more round tuits, but it is a low priority.06:47
NoelJBRight now the only GRUB related issue that I have is being forced to use expert mode on the alternate installer in order to use GRUB1 instead of being forced to use GRUB2.06:49
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histoIf a package has been listed as accepted on the mailing list does that mean its availible now for lucid?07:05
histo!info usbmuxd lucid07:05
ubottuusbmuxd (source: usbmuxd): USB multiplexor daemon for iPhone and iPod Touch devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-1 (lucid), package size 25 kB, installed size 132 kB07:05
histoYay07:05
histonvm found my answer07:05
histoHopefully they get some sort of music transfer working with iphones and ipod touches that would be nice.07:16
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iflemagumtrolium: did ya see the ubuntu/moblin (re)mix08:47
lokadHello together09:23
lokadI have a display problem with lucid lynx on my netbook but don't know on which package I should report a bug (or search for a report)09:24
* BUGabundo_eyeswi yawns09:25
lokadThe Screen ist garbled most times when I the boot (and there seem to be dialog boxes to tell me something - but i can't read them). CTRL-ALT-DEL promtly reboots the machine.09:25
lokadI can circumvent this by booting into maintanance mode an manually starting gdm.09:26
BUGabundo_eyeswiwhat GPU lokad ?09:26
BUGabundo_eyeswiand what Xorg version?09:26
lokad00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)09:27
lokad00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)09:27
lokadX: Version: 1:7.5~3ubuntu409:28
lokadxserver-xorg-video-intel: 2.9.1-1ubuntu109:29
lokadThe text messages are OK at first, but after the garbled screen switching to a console yields a blank screen09:29
BUGabundo_eyeswiyeah, X 1.5 i known to be broken09:31
BUGabundo_eyeswihang in there, if u did a distupgrade09:31
BUGabundo_eyeswior try x-edgers PPA09:31
lokadDid a clean reinstall. On Karmic I was on lpia, but support was dropped09:31
lokadThe "funny" thing is, these problems first surfaced when I attached an external monitor. but now it does not matter if it is attached or not09:33
lokadif x is known to be broken I think I can still wait a couple of days and see if some update fixes this.09:34
BUGabundo_eyeswix has been a bit broken for several weeks , due to abi bump09:38
BUGabundo_eyeswimost drivers require to be upgraded to the new spec09:38
BUGabundo_eyeswii think the PPA as a better version09:38
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BUGabundo_worklokad: if the prob is related to the 2nd monitor, try nuking xorg.conf09:39
lokadhave none09:40
lokadOnly xorg.conf.failsafe09:40
lokadAnd Xorg.0.log / Xorg.0.log.old do not show anything conspicious ...09:43
lokadOh, no log written, the date of Xorg.0.log.old is too early09:43
lokadNo syslog either :(09:46
BUGabundo_workmaybe disk mounted as RO ?09:47
lokadI mean no sylog for the incident. yeah, i think it did'nt get far enough for mounting rw.09:49
lokadOne of the last viewable messages was about /home beaing clean09:50
lokadBut to me it seems as if KMS and the intel driver get in their ways ... as I said - booting failsafe and then resuming the boot without any other actions but manually starting x yields to a perfect lucid lynx expeience09:52
BUGabundo_workmaco: u quite a bit of RSS reading dont u ?10:06
BUGabundo_workand on several topics too10:06
cdE|Woozylokad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/50283810:11
ubottuUbuntu bug 502838 in gdm "gdm starts too early, X.org/VTs fail" [High,Incomplete]10:11
lokadSeems to fit, just reading it, thx10:11
rippshmmm it seems nautilus-sendto-empathy is breaking ubuntu-desktop10:42
rippsand it seems libdirac is breaking my mplayer builds10:44
om26er_lucid's theme colour will be orange?12:07
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kinja-sheepom26er: I don't know. From what I have been reading lately, it seems to be in a transition progress of orange --> chocolate brown --> green12:13
* om26er think green might look cool12:14
om26erbrown was too brown in karmic12:14
kinja-sheepom26er: I never use non-default settings. :)12:16
kinja-sheepErr, that was backward.12:16
kinja-sheepI never use default settings.12:16
om26erkinja-sheep: what fonts you use?12:16
kinja-sheepI'm curious about this green though. :)12:17
kinja-sheepMonospace.12:17
om26er..12:17
om26erapplication font  ..12:18
kinja-sheepSans.12:19
kinja-sheepNot everything then.12:19
om26ergreen should be very light green12:20
kinja-sheepI hate ImageShack 1.5MB limit.12:27
kinja-sheepom26er: I don't want it to be like OpenSuse green though.12:28
kinja-sheepom26er: http://imagebin.ca/img/PTcsbs.png12:28
om26erthere is a green colour text when someone comes in or go out that colour also looks great12:32
om26erin xchat12:32
kinja-sheepQuit == Red -- Join == Green. :)12:35
om26erwell yes join green12:36
kinja-sheepom26er: This is where I got the idea from -- http://irssi.org/themefiles/envy.png12:36
kinja-sheepom26er: Show me your screenshot, lol.12:41
lukefeilHi13:31
om26erkinja-sheep: the greed mocup on the proposed ubuntusun theme  http://imagebin.org/7839913:36
kinja-sheepom26er: I have to take my dog out for bathroom. I'll be back. I always wonder if it is possible to force all MenuBars to remain hide until we hold ALT to call them back. This was possible with Firefox addon (Hide Menubar) but the closest thing I ever came is Gnome-Global but that places the menubar on panel instead of hiding them.13:41
kinja-sheepI never could find a solution or answer to that. I will try and propose that idea to gnome-global since they seems to know what they're doing.13:41
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aciculagnome-shell is purdy14:08
om26ercannot install in lucid dependencies error14:14
aciculaah yeh im lucid so not running the alpha14:15
BUGabundo_workom26er: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade14:24
BUGabundo_workpastebin any errors14:24
yofelBUGabundo_work: remember me complaining about firefox freezing? Found the reason. 'sudo service apparmor stop' and everything works fine14:48
aciculaah, firefox apparmor profiles being enforced by default now?14:48
aciculayofel: you could look in the logs and see what access firefox is being blocked from using?14:49
yofelacicula: in which log file do I need to look?14:49
aciculai think apparmor just logs messages into syslog14:50
BUGabundo_workyofel: ahahhaahaha14:50
BUGabundo_workheck...14:50
BUGabundo_workthat would explain why my laptop is so slow sometime14:51
aciculayou can just drop the firefox process from enforce to complain mode14:51
aciculathat will force apparmor to log accesses wich are not explicitly allowed in the profile14:52
aciculabut still allow them14:52
BUGabundo_work1st time i hear from this acicula eheh and he is teaching us new stuff14:55
BUGabundo_workacicula: front and center, present yourself14:55
BUGabundo_work:p14:55
yofelhere's what my syslog says -  I don't understand a word of it http://paste.ubuntu.com/351809/14:55
aciculaBUGabundo_work: i lurk mostly14:55
aciculai used it a few years ago to secure some crappy old php4 stuff with changehat14:56
BUGabundo_workyofel: its blocking something most defintly14:56
yofelBUGabundo_work: ok, *that* much I understand, but thats about it14:56
BUGabundo_workyofel: know on #ubuntu-mozillateam doors14:56
aciculawell who maintains the firefox apparmor profile?14:57
yofelthe mozilla team afaik14:57
BUGabundo_worki've "invited" asac here14:57
joaopintoapparmor profiles have been some trouble makers :)14:57
yofelheh14:57
aciculaheh i'll bet14:57
joaopintoapparmor for desktop apps can be complex14:58
aciculaits trying to create/access a node in /dev somewhere with a write attribute?14:58
asacwhats up?14:58
asacBUGabundo_work: ^14:58
BUGabundo_workasac: ask yofel . his prob14:58
yofelasac: It's about me, give me a moment to explain14:59
BUGabundo_workwell, i may prove my probs too14:59
BUGabundo_workFYI and reference, we are talking about http://paste.ubuntu.com/351809/14:59
asacwhat problems do you encounter because of that?15:00
yofelI had firefox 3.5/6/7 using 100% on startup on some pcs with the window contents not being refreshed (but you could still click blindly and it would work)15:00
yofelstopping apparmor fixed that15:00
aciculaabstractions/audio:/dev/shm/ r,15:01
BUGabundo_workacicula: »15:01
BUGabundo_work?15:01
aciculaon karmic its just set to r15:01
yofelthe odd thing is that this doesn't happen always15:01
asacyofel: can you reproduce?15:01
asactry the latest dailies15:01
asacthey include a bunch of apparmore improvements15:01
yofeli mean: x64 notebook: 3.5/6/7  i386 eeePC: 3.6/7, x64 desktop: none15:02
aciculaBUGabundo_work: i was just having a look at the generic shm profile in karmic, for firefox they either include that or specify something custom i guess?15:02
asacyofel: which versions are you running? latest daily?15:02
yofelasac: 3.5 is the official lucid version, 3.6/7 are the latest daily, but lemme check for updates again15:03
asachmm. definitly try the latest 3.5 from daily too ... i am not sure if the apparmore improvements landed everywhere15:04
yofelah, now I know why 3.5 works on my eeePC, on starting apparmor: 'Skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.firefox-3.5'15:04
asacif that doesnt help, please open a bug and give me the bug id through BUGabundo_work (as i will leave this channel sooner or later)15:04
BUGabundo_workyofel: how can u be running 3.5 archive if u have daily ppa?15:04
BUGabundo_workpinned down?15:04
yofelBUGabundo_work: yep15:04
yofelffx 3.5 and xul 1.9.1 are pinned15:05
BUGabundo_workasac: u should hang around. this is the cool ppl :D15:05
BUGabundo_workcrazy dude15:05
BUGabundo_worki thought apt pins were broken15:05
yofelBUGabundo_work: aptitue doesn't really respect them like it should, but it does respect <0 and >1000 pins15:06
yofelasac: nope, even the newest 3.6 build (33473) hangs whit apparmor enabled15:08
yofel*with15:09
asacwell15:09
asacwhat read what i said above15:09
asac3.6 might not have  those apparmor fixes. hence trying latest 3.5 is important15:10
yofelok, lemme get rid of my pin for a while15:10
asacyofel: ok got a confirm that it shouldnt matter15:11
asacplease file a bug against firefox-3.5 and attach the dmesg output and the symptoms15:11
asacthen give me bug id15:11
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om26erubiquity is giving an error on today's live cd15:29
om26erubiquity.components.partman failed with exit code 141.15:30
yofelBUGabundo_work: check #ubuntu-mozillateam for the root cause of this stupidity... and laugh15:46
aciculawhat was the funny root cause?15:48
yofelacicula: me somehow having export TMPDIR=/dev/shm in my .bashrc and apparmor thinking that's a security breach15:49
aciculaah15:49
aciculayeah :)15:50
aciculathat makes perfect sense really15:50
aciculaits path based though15:50
aciculaso maybe you can trick it anyway with a link15:50
yofelyep, it does make sense, once you actually find it...15:50
yofelacicula: oh, I could add it to /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/user-tmp15:51
yofelbut I'll just remove that line from my .bashrc15:51
yofelI don't remember any reason why I would need that15:51
aciculause a temporary storage thats in memory rather then on disk without mounting tmpfs on /tmp?15:52
yofelacicula: might have been the reason once, but I have /tmp as tmpfs right now anyway15:53
* BluesKaj wonders if handbrake from karmic will work on lucid16:11
BUGabundo_work!info handbrake16:13
BUGabundo_work!search handbrake16:13
BUGabundo_workbot loves me not16:13
ubottuPackage handbrake does not exist in lucid16:14
ubottuFound: handbrake16:14
aciculaerr16:17
* BUGabundo_work slaps bot out of this world16:18
aciculamust be a unicode thing, lol16:19
mbeierlI didn't know handbrake was even in the repos.  I've even just recently gone to handbrake.fr to get the deb16:21
aciculaits in karmic too16:22
aciculahandbrake-cli - versatile DVD ripper and video transcoder - command line16:22
BUGabundo_work!google handbrake ppa16:22
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)16:22
BUGabundo_workyes you are stupid, bot16:22
BUGabundo_work!ghandbrake ppa16:22
BUGabundo_work!g handbrake ppa16:22
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)16:22
aciculaor did i add the ppa perhaps16:22
PiciBUGabundo_work: The bot doesn't google for you.16:23
BluesKajyeah, the ppa seems empty altho it claims to install16:23
BUGabundo_workhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~handbrake-ubuntu/+archive/ppa16:23
PiciI vaugely recall someone talking about packaging handbrake for Lucid before the holidays.16:23
BluesKajBUGabundo_work, i added the karmic ppa to my sources list and did the signing key etc , when i tried to install there's no installation candidate16:25
PiciOh, maybe I misread, nevermind :/16:25
BluesKajso I just installed the deb from the handbrake site ,16:25
BUGabundo_workBluesKaj: i get the same with songbird PPA16:26
JFoBUGabundo_work, sinbot in #ubuntu-us-nc does google16:26
BUGabundo_worksomething is funky with APT db16:26
JFothat may have been what you were thinking about16:26
BUGabundo_worki clean it, and manually removed the sources list16:26
BUGabundo_worknothing16:26
BUGabundo_workJFo: i'm in SOOOO many #s i loose track. plus my client (at home, pidgin) does it for me16:26
BUGabundo_workbut darn web chat doesnt16:27
* BUGabundo_work misses mibbit16:27
JFoheh16:27
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mbeierlOk, giving lucid a spin... just curious...17:22
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coz_is plymouth funtioning  at this point?17:33
coz_functioning17:34
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^arky^what's is mountall: cannot connect to Plymouth at boot17:43
coz_^arky^,  seems not many are able to answer or perhaps not at their systems right now17:47
genii^arky^: Seems to be 3-4 pages about that error at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=135711717:51
bjsnidergenii, if you want to test the bluray stuff, i have karmic packages waiting17:57
bjsnideri can also send in lucid stuff if you so desire17:58
bjsniderit will take at least another half hour to build though17:58
geniibjsnider: I hosed my karmic install, so i have for now just Jaunty and Lucid17:58
bjsniderwell, i'm more interested in the stable code in the next couple of weeks anyway17:59
^arky^thanks genii17:59
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mbeierlempathy doesn't work right now in lucid?18:27
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yoasif_i have a pretty hilarious issue on my laptop... my keyboard doesn't work for input, neither does a usb keyboard... the system crashed (overheated), any ideas, or should i just format20:21
bjsniderthat's not in the slightest bit hilarious20:38
BluesKajbjsnider, do you belong to the linux club in Sudbury ? someone told me there was one ....not that I'd bother to attend :)20:43
yoasif_bjsnider, yeah not at all -- any ideas on what i might be able to do?20:48
yoasif_i am syncing files over, preparing for a reinstall20:48
bjsniderBluesKaj, sudbury is too far away from here21:12
BluesKajbjsnider, sry , I forgot , thought you were in this area21:19
jimericksoncan't get a login prompt in my vt until i run "exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1". any ideas?21:23
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histo!info usbmuxd lucid21:54
ubottuusbmuxd (source: usbmuxd): USB multiplexor daemon for iPhone and iPod Touch devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-1 (lucid), package size 25 kB, installed size 132 kB21:54
histoHas anyone testing their iphone/ipod with lucid?21:55
histoI'm seeing nothing in the forums.21:55
histousbmuxd should be a huge step in getting the iphone and ipod touches working. They just need to update libgpod or whatever to allow music transfer22:05
_skywhat kind of filesystem does an iphone use?22:15
Unksi_sky: os x uses hfs+ so wouldnt be surprised for iphone to use that too22:25
bjsniderUnksi, you forgot "the horrendous". hfs+ was officially renamed to "the horrendous hfs+" several years ago by its many haters.22:28
Unksihehe22:29
jmworxIf I want a new version of my package to make it into ubuntu+1, when's the latest it can go into debian unstable?22:41
bjsniderjmworx, check the merge window in the schedule for lucid22:53
jmworxbjsnider: Where can I find that?22:59
bjsnider!schedule23:01
ubottuA schedule of Lucid Lynx (10.04) release milestones can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule23:01
histo_sky: idk but its runing unix. They use some sort of drm with md5 hashing or something for filenames23:21
histo_sky: they don't use normal usb connection thats were usbmuxd comes in.23:21
histoUghh lucid is not going to support iphone/ipod touch out of the box.23:22
histoI installed usbmuxd but looks like some other files are needed.23:22
histocan anyone verify that rhythmbox doesn't open?23:42
histoIt appears to just hang and never come up23:42
gnubiehisto, I rythhmbox from a terminal and the error I get says Unable to create Ayatana Watcher proxy23:48

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