[00:55] <shan3> hi all
[00:56] <shan3> I have submitted a bug to change some dependencies in some packages for the Lucid release... is it too late? or is there a chance they will be fixed?
[00:57] <shan3> Link to bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-support-writing-en/+bug/502748
[00:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 502748 in language-support-writing-en "Dependency chain forces installation of OpenOffice" [Undecided,New]
[01:02] <hggdh> shan3: no, it shouldnot be too late
[01:02] <hggdh> I added regression-potential as a tag to the bug
[01:02] <shan3> hggdh: thank you
[01:02] <hggdh> shan3: do you still have the bug # for the old bug?
[01:02] <hggdh> it would be good to have a reference on the new one
[01:02] <shan3> i searched for it but i couldn't find it...
[01:02] <shan3> I made it using an old launchpad account which I don't use anymore...
[01:02] <hggdh> but it was against the same package as the current bug, right?
[01:03] <shan3> well the devs who fixed it made some dependency changes to the openoffice l10n packages... if i remember correctly
[01:17] <shan3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~librano04 but it doesn't show that bug...
[01:21] <hggdh> if the bug was closed, you have to go through an adavanced search
[01:22] <hggdh> but no, even then it is not there
[01:27] <shan3> found it... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/220817
[01:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 220817 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice.org language packs pull in openoffice.org binaries" [High,Fix released]
[01:27] <shan3> hggdh: ^
[01:29] <hggdh> shan3: cool, this is it. Can you add a link to this bug in the new one? This would certainly help
[01:30] <hggdh> (I was already reading the bug)
[01:32] <shan3> ok will do hggdh
[01:37] <shan3> hggdh: done. thanks a lot... i was puzzled when the bug didn't show up on my profile page. never thought to use the advanced search
[01:37] <hggdh> shan3: you are welcome, and thank you for your help
[01:38] <shan3> hggdh: have a nice day/night...
[01:38] <hggdh> same
[01:38] <hggdh> and it is night (US/CST)
[01:38] <maco> only barely
[01:38] <hggdh> enough for me ;-)
[01:39] <maco> its dinner time in the eastern us and afternoon in the west
[01:39] <hggdh> it is past bed time for me... just arrived
[01:39] <micahg> hggdh: you back?
[01:40] <hggdh> micahg: yes
[01:40] <micahg> :D
[01:40] <hggdh> :-)
[02:23] <cyan-spam> hi all. did anyone get a chance to look at the FindRightPackage draft i sent out a few days ago?
[03:16] <nigel_nb> hggdh: hey
[03:16] <nigel_nb> happy new year
[03:16] <nigel_nb> sorry about the other day, my computer kinda died on me
[04:55] <crimsun> bdmurray: all the "[9.10 regression] HDA power_save=10" bugs are closed in Lucid as per my post to ubuntu-devel{,-discuss}/blog
[06:35] <persia> I'm encountering an issue with using terminator and metacity with focus-follows-mouse and focus grabs.  Specifically, if something grabs my focus, and my cursor is still in the terminator window, I no longer can change focus between different regions in terminator with focus-follows-mouse until I've left and re-entered terminator.
[06:35] <persia> Should I be filing a bug against terminator, or against metacity?  Any ideas?
[08:12] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[08:41] <^arky^> about bug 501256 , is there needs rebuild tag
[08:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 501256 in merkaartor "symbol lookup error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501256
[15:03] <hggdh> pedro_: thank you for setting the gnome-terminal bug to triaged, I selected the wrong drop-down
[15:03] <LimCore> Im using ubuntu with some people
[15:04] <LimCore> and we thinks its really really NOT for human beings, as there are many not friendly behaviours, lack of informations, missleading things and other stuff
[15:04] <pedro_> hggdh, you're welcome. happy new year btw!
[15:04] <LimCore> I wonder does it make sense to report it, and how
[15:04] <LimCore> like overall usability problems is most applications.. should that be reported?
[15:05] <LimCore> like Synatpic's question about "we need to also install this packages to install the one you want" makes users think that "it does not work"
[15:08] <hggdh> pedro_: happy new year to you also (I tend to forget)
[15:09] <hggdh> LimCore: usability issues are considered bugs, also. Alternatively, you can send an email to devel-discuss expanding on your views
[15:09] <hggdh> and *then* open as many bugs as necessary
[15:28] <LimCore> for example the logout menu even is messed up
[15:28] <LimCore> when I click the power icon, I see powerdown,suspend etc. I do not see LOGOUT option, it is hidden totally else. Thats super confusing, what do you think
[15:29] <bddebian> Boo
[15:38] <hggdh> LimCore: it sounds that you are not using the correct applet
[15:41] <hggdh> LimCore: on Gnome, you need to have the Indicator Applet Session applet in the panel
[15:57] <LimCore> hggdh: this is a totally clean install of 9.10
[15:57] <LimCore> using Gnome as default
[16:00] <hggdh> LimCore: if you do not have the Indicator Applet Session in place, after a full clean install, then this is a bug
[16:00] <apw> i have noted a lot of people asking for mentorship on the ubuntu-bugcontrol mailing list, w
[16:01] <nahs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/503041 <---- does anyone have this bug? It's not getting any attention and it's..bugging me lol
[16:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503041 in ubuntu "Mouse lags while copying highlighted text." [Undecided,New]
[16:01] <LimCore> wait wait, that account was the restored account, with restored setting. After all, a NEW account in 9.10 seems to not have the problem I described.. so its fixed now :)
[16:01] <LimCore> (although it would be nicer if that other application-button that shows shutdown/restart/hibern/sleep  would also show logout)
[16:02] <apw> i have noted a lot of people asking for mentorship on the ubuntu-bugcontrol mailing list, which seems to be triggered by the text here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved ... but it appears there is a new process using this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors ... who owns the docs there?
[16:02] <apw> or at least can confirm which is the right way
[16:03] <hggdh> apw: let me look at the pages
[16:05] <apw> hggdh, indeed some of the emails i have recieved indicate there may be a third way the 'lp page' which i assume is a launchpad group .... much confusion reigns and i can see what appear to be 8 or 10 new requests which are seemingly ignored
[16:06] <hggdh> apw -- the request to membership (the "lp page" thingie) is the same as stated in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[16:07] <apw> ok cool.  so do we need to change the 'getting involved' page to point to that one?
[16:07] <hggdh> apw -- the requests are not really being ignored -- this is -- as I stated in the page -- a WIP
[16:07] <hggdh> apw: indeed we need to change it
[16:07] <apw> i don't mean the ones in the page, i mean the ones in email which followed the broken instructions
[16:07] <apw> at least i don't see anyone replying (other than me :)
[16:08] <apw> and i am pointing them to the other page, in the hopes i was right to do so
[16:08] <hggdh> I cannot di it right now, very slow bloody wiki conneciton
[16:08] <apw> yep the wiki can suck
[16:08] <hggdh> in my case, it is the wifi I have at my customer :-(
[16:08] <hggdh> so I get a lot of timeouts
[16:09] <apw> i'll point the intructions there as an interim, feel free to correct
[16:09] <hggdh> we are still trying to get it done -- I was doing part of it, but, unfortunately, got way too busy earning money
[16:10] <hggdh> (not that I am complaining about the earning money part, mind you)
[16:10] <nigel_nb> hello
[16:11] <hggdh> but yes, I agree. Like now we are looking very much like the London underground, mind the gap and all of that
[16:11] <hggdh> hi nigel_nb
[16:11] <nigel_nb> long time hggdh, I keep missing you online
[16:11] <hggdh> yes, I am sorry about that
[16:11] <nigel_nb> happy new year, hope its good so far hggdh :)
[16:11] <apw> hggdh, cool, once one of us has fixed the page, i'll reply to everyone who doesn't appear to have an answer and asking them to use the other page
[16:12] <hggdh> apw thank you very much. We were trying to automagically add them all as membership requestors, but we hit a bug on launchpad :-(
[16:12] <nahs> so yeah :/
[16:12] <nahs> guess this one will go unfixed
[16:13] <hggdh> nahs: patience, please ;-)
[16:13] <hggdh> nigel_nb: a happy one for you too
[16:13] <nigel_nb> hggdh: so far, my computer is not friendly to me, have to get it repaire
[16:13] <hggdh> :-)
[16:14] <hggdh> nahs: this sounds like a X issue
[16:14] <nahs> Nothing's wrong with graphics card or anything like that, just the whole "copying to clipboard" craps out everything
[16:14] <nahs> hggdh: has anything similar been reported yet?
[16:15] <nahs> I'm surprised 9.04 is way more stable than 9.10, 9.10 = too much new features
[16:15] <hggdh> nahs: not to my knowlegde, but I do not deal much with X. Try following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[16:15] <nahs> it's not much of a crash or a anything, just a little lag
[16:15] <hggdh> nahs: well, it was the other way around with me, 9.10 was better than 9.04. But it does not mean much when it does not work
[16:16] <nahs> hggdh: can you try doing the little thing and see if it affects you as well?
[16:16] <hggdh> nahs: no, it does not affect me, but I am running 10.04 alpha. Another thing you could do -- check if there is a runaway appl eating CPU
[16:17] <hggdh> nahs: and it did not affect me while I was on 9.10
[16:17] <hggdh> most of the times I had lag I found one appl in loop
[16:17] <nahs> it's just when you copy smoe text
[16:17] <nahs> -while- moving the mouse
[16:17] <nahs> there's a 0.5 second lag
[16:18] <nahs> or a 0.8 one rather
[16:19] <hggdh> not here. If nothing is overusing CPU, then it really sounds like X somewhere, perhaps xserver-xorg-input-(evdev|mouse)
[16:21] <\vish> nahs: how is ctrl+v == copy for you? or did you mean paste or  crtl+c
[16:23] <\vish> nahs: but yeah , i can reproduce the problem
[16:25] <\vish> !test
[16:25] <ubot4> yes, I'm alive.
[16:25] <LimCore> !dance
[16:25] <ubot4> Factoid 'dance' not found
[16:25] <nahs> \vish: ctrl+c, my bad
[16:27] <\vish> nahs: what graphics card are you using? as hggdh mentioned it might be X related... FWIW , I'm using Lucid 10.04 , so it still happens in the latest too ;)
[16:27] <nahs> It's not the graphics card, the whole operating system lags when I do that putting it this way
[16:28] <nahs> because I've tried it on two laptops that are completely different
[16:28] <nahs> One's Intel one's AMD one has nVidia graphics card one has Intel so :/
[16:28] <\vish> hmm...
[16:28] <hggdh_> there is more to X than just the video cards...
[16:28] <\vish> that too :)
[16:29] <\vish> hggdh_: did you try it while moving the mouse? i get the pointer jump but no huge lags
[16:29] <nahs> also how can I edit a bug description, don't know what I was drinking when I wrote ctrl+v haha
[16:29] <\vish> nahs: updated it already ;)
[16:30] <nahs> so far like 3 people have the same thing, 4 if you count both of my laptops
[16:30] <nahs> I'll just wait for the ubuntu-bug-fixing angel to see it
[16:31] <nahs> Gracias for everything though amigos :)
[16:31] <\vish> nahs: the bug was reported only in the last day.. how do you say already there are others?
[16:31] <nahs> I asked people yesterday
[16:32] <\vish> ah.. k
[16:37] <hggdh_> so these folks should state this bug affects them also
[16:37] <nahs> oh well :/
[16:38] <hggdh_> but there are already 3 of them in, this is good.
[16:39] <hggdh_> nahs: let's assume, right now, this is X-related. Please follow the instructions on the page I provided you
[16:41] <nahs> alright
[16:43] <hggdh_> \vish, nahs: I marked it confirmed
[16:44] <\vish> hggdh_: cool , i didnt confirm it because I wasnt sure of the package.. can bugs without packages be confirmed?
[16:46] <hggdh_> \vish -- they *should* not, but in this case, I did it. The sooner we find a package to lay the blame on, the better
[16:46] <\vish> k..
[16:47] <hggdh_> asking at #ubuntu-x right now...
[16:58] <bdmurray> pedro_: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/package/packages-without-subscribers.txt
[17:13] <\vish> hggdh_: hehe... i'm a guy , so no need to be confused over him/her  :p [comment on the bug]
[17:14] <pedro_> bdmurray, cool! it looks awesome, thank you!
[17:17] <\vish> pedro_: hi.. could you close this bug > Bug #367626 its not valid anymore and the upstream report too .. :)
[17:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 367626 in indicator-session "Hibernate does not ask for time-out confirmation" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/367626
[17:20] <pedro_> \vish, done all closed now, thanks
[17:20] <\vish> pedro_: thanks :)
[17:22] <hggdh_> \vish: *now* I know ;-)
[17:22] <hggdh_> but I always try to be careful
[21:36] <bdmurray> bug 500384
[21:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 500384 in ubuntu "Ubuntu started so fast" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500384
[21:36] <maco> what?
[21:36] <maco> null? what?
[21:36] <bdmurray> beats me I just thought starting so fast was funny
[21:36] <nigel_nb> u must be kidding me
[21:37] <\vish> hehe
[21:37] <nigel_nb> OMG! someone has actually logged a bug because their system was fast?
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Well, it does take all kinds...
[21:44] <nigel_nb> and whats with the null? trying to sound like a programmer
[21:44] <JFo> the only good response to that is Woo!
[21:44] <nigel_nb> ?
[21:44] <JFo> sorry, "Woo!"
[21:44] <nigel_nb> my response is "so yeah, its fast, you want us to slow it down?"
[21:45] <charlie-tca> yeah, nigel_nb. I saw that too, and wonder if that means the screen is blank for a couple of seconds.
[21:45] <charlie-tca> Seems like a 10 second startup is great
[21:45] <nigel_nb> charlie-tca: for someone who confuses terminology
[21:45] <charlie-tca> I would take a blank screen the whole time for that
[21:46] <nigel_nb> it may as well mean that every application takes 10 seconds to load, and ubuntu hangs during that time
[21:46] <charlie-tca> true
[21:46] <nigel_nb> and the fast is meant to be sarcasm, who knows
[21:46] <charlie-tca> What ever it means, the reporter is not happy :-(
[21:47] <nigel_nb> and he's not helping us help him
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I'm sure it is clear to him, though
[21:50] <nigel_nb> charlie-tca: whatever the case, he'll be more pissed off and more unhelpful
[21:59] <\vish> so is anyone gonna triage the bug? ;)
[22:08] <nigel_nb> \vish: I'd love to, but I dont think I can
[22:08] <nigel_nb> "You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of Ubuntu, and therefore cannot edit this bug's status. "
[22:08] <nigel_nb> correction
[22:08] <nigel_nb> I haven't logged it
[22:09] <nigel_nb> \vish: you beat me to it lol
[22:40] <hggdh>  s/ubuntu/grub # heh
[22:57] <nigel_nb> what package would bug 503589 fall under?
[22:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503589 in yelp "system->preferences->sessions doesn't save desktop layouts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503589
[23:04] <nigel_nb> mr_pouit: ping
[23:04] <nigel_nb> that bug about abiword, is it a workflow bug that the bug squad can skip?
[23:07] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:07] <charlie-tca> That is the new one to move it to universe, right?
[23:08] <charlie-tca> It is a packageing bug
[23:08] <nigel_nb> ah
[23:09] <charlie-tca> I tend to keep watch for all the abiword bugs, myself.
[23:09] <nigel_nb> but should that go into a mailing list?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> What?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> that I watch them?
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu uses Abiword instead of OpenOffice.org, so Abiword comes under the xubuntu-team bug watch
[23:11] <nigel_nb> no
[23:11] <nigel_nb> I mean the bug is about getting abiword out of main because it is not being maintained
[23:11] <nigel_nb> so shouldn't this go to some dev discussion
[23:11] <charlie-tca> no, the devs will pick up on it
[23:12] <charlie-tca> I already discussed it with the developers and maintainers
[23:12] <nigel_nb> ah okay, great
[23:12] <nigel_nb> moving on then
[23:13] <charlie-tca> Thanks for helping
[23:24] <hggdh> .
[23:24] <hggdh> 000000000000......................................
[23:24] <hggdh> .0
[23:24] <nigel_nb> huh?
[23:25] <nigel_nb> hggdh: asleep at the keyboard?
[23:40] <SoftwareExplorer> I was going to report a bug the other day. I asked here what to report it against and someone said gtk. I got interrupted, and now that I'm actually trying to do it, I can't seem to figure out what package gtk is in.
[23:44] <nigel_nb> SoftwareExplorer: what was the problem you were having?
[23:45] <SoftwareExplorer> nigel_nb: A problem with multiple pointers that only seems to happen on gnome applications, not qt ones
[23:45] <joaopinto> SoftwareExplorer, ubuntu-bug libgtk2.0-0
[23:46] <SoftwareExplorer> Thanks.