[00:55] hi all [00:56] I have submitted a bug to change some dependencies in some packages for the Lucid release... is it too late? or is there a chance they will be fixed? [00:57] Link to bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-support-writing-en/+bug/502748 [00:57] Launchpad bug 502748 in language-support-writing-en "Dependency chain forces installation of OpenOffice" [Undecided,New] [01:02] shan3: no, it shouldnot be too late [01:02] I added regression-potential as a tag to the bug [01:02] hggdh: thank you [01:02] shan3: do you still have the bug # for the old bug? [01:02] it would be good to have a reference on the new one [01:02] i searched for it but i couldn't find it... [01:02] I made it using an old launchpad account which I don't use anymore... [01:02] but it was against the same package as the current bug, right? [01:03] well the devs who fixed it made some dependency changes to the openoffice l10n packages... if i remember correctly [01:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~librano04 but it doesn't show that bug... [01:21] if the bug was closed, you have to go through an adavanced search [01:22] but no, even then it is not there [01:27] found it... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/220817 [01:27] Launchpad bug 220817 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice.org language packs pull in openoffice.org binaries" [High,Fix released] [01:27] hggdh: ^ [01:29] shan3: cool, this is it. Can you add a link to this bug in the new one? This would certainly help [01:30] (I was already reading the bug) [01:32] ok will do hggdh === poningru` is now known as poningru [01:37] hggdh: done. thanks a lot... i was puzzled when the bug didn't show up on my profile page. never thought to use the advanced search [01:37] shan3: you are welcome, and thank you for your help [01:38] hggdh: have a nice day/night... [01:38] same [01:38] and it is night (US/CST) [01:38] only barely [01:38] enough for me ;-) [01:39] its dinner time in the eastern us and afternoon in the west [01:39] it is past bed time for me... just arrived [01:39] hggdh: you back? [01:40] micahg: yes [01:40] :D [01:40] :-) [02:23] hi all. did anyone get a chance to look at the FindRightPackage draft i sent out a few days ago? === FlannelKing is now known as Flannel [03:16] hggdh: hey [03:16] happy new year [03:16] sorry about the other day, my computer kinda died on me [04:55] bdmurray: all the "[9.10 regression] HDA power_save=10" bugs are closed in Lucid as per my post to ubuntu-devel{,-discuss}/blog === asac_ is now known as asac [06:35] I'm encountering an issue with using terminator and metacity with focus-follows-mouse and focus grabs. Specifically, if something grabs my focus, and my cursor is still in the terminator window, I no longer can change focus between different regions in terminator with focus-follows-mouse until I've left and re-entered terminator. [06:35] Should I be filing a bug against terminator, or against metacity? Any ideas? [08:12] good morning bugsquad [08:41] <^arky^> about bug 501256 , is there needs rebuild tag [08:41] Launchpad bug 501256 in merkaartor "symbol lookup error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501256 === seb128__ is now known as seb128 === Igorot is now known as Knightlust === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [15:03] pedro_: thank you for setting the gnome-terminal bug to triaged, I selected the wrong drop-down [15:03] Im using ubuntu with some people [15:04] and we thinks its really really NOT for human beings, as there are many not friendly behaviours, lack of informations, missleading things and other stuff [15:04] hggdh, you're welcome. happy new year btw! [15:04] I wonder does it make sense to report it, and how [15:04] like overall usability problems is most applications.. should that be reported? [15:05] like Synatpic's question about "we need to also install this packages to install the one you want" makes users think that "it does not work" [15:08] pedro_: happy new year to you also (I tend to forget) [15:09] LimCore: usability issues are considered bugs, also. Alternatively, you can send an email to devel-discuss expanding on your views [15:09] and *then* open as many bugs as necessary [15:28] for example the logout menu even is messed up [15:28] when I click the power icon, I see powerdown,suspend etc. I do not see LOGOUT option, it is hidden totally else. Thats super confusing, what do you think [15:29] Boo [15:38] LimCore: it sounds that you are not using the correct applet [15:41] LimCore: on Gnome, you need to have the Indicator Applet Session applet in the panel [15:57] hggdh: this is a totally clean install of 9.10 [15:57] using Gnome as default [16:00] LimCore: if you do not have the Indicator Applet Session in place, after a full clean install, then this is a bug [16:00] i have noted a lot of people asking for mentorship on the ubuntu-bugcontrol mailing list, w [16:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/503041 <---- does anyone have this bug? It's not getting any attention and it's..bugging me lol [16:01] Launchpad bug 503041 in ubuntu "Mouse lags while copying highlighted text." [Undecided,New] [16:01] wait wait, that account was the restored account, with restored setting. After all, a NEW account in 9.10 seems to not have the problem I described.. so its fixed now :) [16:01] (although it would be nicer if that other application-button that shows shutdown/restart/hibern/sleep would also show logout) [16:02] i have noted a lot of people asking for mentorship on the ubuntu-bugcontrol mailing list, which seems to be triggered by the text here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved ... but it appears there is a new process using this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors ... who owns the docs there? [16:02] or at least can confirm which is the right way [16:03] apw: let me look at the pages [16:05] hggdh, indeed some of the emails i have recieved indicate there may be a third way the 'lp page' which i assume is a launchpad group .... much confusion reigns and i can see what appear to be 8 or 10 new requests which are seemingly ignored [16:06] apw -- the request to membership (the "lp page" thingie) is the same as stated in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors [16:07] ok cool. so do we need to change the 'getting involved' page to point to that one? [16:07] apw -- the requests are not really being ignored -- this is -- as I stated in the page -- a WIP [16:07] apw: indeed we need to change it [16:07] i don't mean the ones in the page, i mean the ones in email which followed the broken instructions [16:07] at least i don't see anyone replying (other than me :) [16:08] and i am pointing them to the other page, in the hopes i was right to do so [16:08] I cannot di it right now, very slow bloody wiki conneciton [16:08] yep the wiki can suck [16:08] in my case, it is the wifi I have at my customer :-( [16:08] so I get a lot of timeouts [16:09] i'll point the intructions there as an interim, feel free to correct [16:09] we are still trying to get it done -- I was doing part of it, but, unfortunately, got way too busy earning money [16:10] (not that I am complaining about the earning money part, mind you) [16:10] hello [16:11] but yes, I agree. Like now we are looking very much like the London underground, mind the gap and all of that [16:11] hi nigel_nb [16:11] long time hggdh, I keep missing you online [16:11] yes, I am sorry about that [16:11] happy new year, hope its good so far hggdh :) [16:11] hggdh, cool, once one of us has fixed the page, i'll reply to everyone who doesn't appear to have an answer and asking them to use the other page [16:12] apw thank you very much. We were trying to automagically add them all as membership requestors, but we hit a bug on launchpad :-( [16:12] so yeah :/ [16:12] guess this one will go unfixed [16:13] nahs: patience, please ;-) [16:13] nigel_nb: a happy one for you too [16:13] hggdh: so far, my computer is not friendly to me, have to get it repaire [16:13] :-) [16:14] nahs: this sounds like a X issue [16:14] Nothing's wrong with graphics card or anything like that, just the whole "copying to clipboard" craps out everything [16:14] hggdh: has anything similar been reported yet? [16:15] I'm surprised 9.04 is way more stable than 9.10, 9.10 = too much new features [16:15] nahs: not to my knowlegde, but I do not deal much with X. Try following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging [16:15] it's not much of a crash or a anything, just a little lag [16:15] nahs: well, it was the other way around with me, 9.10 was better than 9.04. But it does not mean much when it does not work [16:16] hggdh: can you try doing the little thing and see if it affects you as well? [16:16] nahs: no, it does not affect me, but I am running 10.04 alpha. Another thing you could do -- check if there is a runaway appl eating CPU [16:17] nahs: and it did not affect me while I was on 9.10 [16:17] most of the times I had lag I found one appl in loop [16:17] it's just when you copy smoe text [16:17] -while- moving the mouse [16:17] there's a 0.5 second lag [16:18] or a 0.8 one rather [16:19] not here. If nothing is overusing CPU, then it really sounds like X somewhere, perhaps xserver-xorg-input-(evdev|mouse) [16:21] <\vish> nahs: how is ctrl+v == copy for you? or did you mean paste or crtl+c [16:23] <\vish> nahs: but yeah , i can reproduce the problem [16:25] <\vish> !test [16:25] yes, I'm alive. [16:25] !dance [16:25] Factoid 'dance' not found [16:25] \vish: ctrl+c, my bad [16:27] <\vish> nahs: what graphics card are you using? as hggdh mentioned it might be X related... FWIW , I'm using Lucid 10.04 , so it still happens in the latest too ;) [16:27] It's not the graphics card, the whole operating system lags when I do that putting it this way [16:28] because I've tried it on two laptops that are completely different [16:28] One's Intel one's AMD one has nVidia graphics card one has Intel so :/ [16:28] <\vish> hmm... [16:28] there is more to X than just the video cards... [16:28] <\vish> that too :) [16:29] <\vish> hggdh_: did you try it while moving the mouse? i get the pointer jump but no huge lags [16:29] also how can I edit a bug description, don't know what I was drinking when I wrote ctrl+v haha [16:29] <\vish> nahs: updated it already ;) [16:30] so far like 3 people have the same thing, 4 if you count both of my laptops [16:30] I'll just wait for the ubuntu-bug-fixing angel to see it [16:31] Gracias for everything though amigos :) [16:31] <\vish> nahs: the bug was reported only in the last day.. how do you say already there are others? [16:31] I asked people yesterday [16:32] <\vish> ah.. k [16:37] so these folks should state this bug affects them also [16:37] oh well :/ [16:38] but there are already 3 of them in, this is good. [16:39] nahs: let's assume, right now, this is X-related. Please follow the instructions on the page I provided you [16:41] alright [16:43] \vish, nahs: I marked it confirmed === \vish is now known as mac_v === mac_v is now known as \vish [16:44] <\vish> hggdh_: cool , i didnt confirm it because I wasnt sure of the package.. can bugs without packages be confirmed? [16:46] \vish -- they *should* not, but in this case, I did it. The sooner we find a package to lay the blame on, the better [16:46] <\vish> k.. [16:47] asking at #ubuntu-x right now... [16:58] pedro_: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/package/packages-without-subscribers.txt [17:13] <\vish> hggdh_: hehe... i'm a guy , so no need to be confused over him/her :p [comment on the bug] [17:14] bdmurray, cool! it looks awesome, thank you! [17:17] <\vish> pedro_: hi.. could you close this bug > Bug #367626 its not valid anymore and the upstream report too .. :) [17:17] Launchpad bug 367626 in indicator-session "Hibernate does not ask for time-out confirmation" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/367626 [17:20] \vish, done all closed now, thanks [17:20] <\vish> pedro_: thanks :) [17:22] \vish: *now* I know ;-) [17:22] but I always try to be careful === \vish is now known as vish === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ === jmgartner is now known as rackIT === yofel_ is now known as yofel === etali1 is now known as etali [21:36] bug 500384 [21:36] Launchpad bug 500384 in ubuntu "Ubuntu started so fast" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500384 [21:36] what? [21:36] null? what? [21:36] beats me I just thought starting so fast was funny [21:36] u must be kidding me [21:37] <\vish> hehe [21:37] OMG! someone has actually logged a bug because their system was fast? [21:42] Well, it does take all kinds... [21:44] and whats with the null? trying to sound like a programmer [21:44] the only good response to that is Woo! [21:44] ? [21:44] sorry, "Woo!" [21:44] my response is "so yeah, its fast, you want us to slow it down?" [21:45] yeah, nigel_nb. I saw that too, and wonder if that means the screen is blank for a couple of seconds. [21:45] Seems like a 10 second startup is great [21:45] charlie-tca: for someone who confuses terminology [21:45] I would take a blank screen the whole time for that [21:46] it may as well mean that every application takes 10 seconds to load, and ubuntu hangs during that time [21:46] true [21:46] and the fast is meant to be sarcasm, who knows [21:46] What ever it means, the reporter is not happy :-( [21:47] and he's not helping us help him [21:48] I'm sure it is clear to him, though [21:50] charlie-tca: whatever the case, he'll be more pissed off and more unhelpful [21:59] <\vish> so is anyone gonna triage the bug? ;) [22:08] \vish: I'd love to, but I dont think I can [22:08] "You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of Ubuntu, and therefore cannot edit this bug's status. " [22:08] correction [22:08] I haven't logged it [22:09] \vish: you beat me to it lol [22:40] s/ubuntu/grub # heh [22:57] what package would bug 503589 fall under? [22:57] Launchpad bug 503589 in yelp "system->preferences->sessions doesn't save desktop layouts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503589 [23:04] mr_pouit: ping [23:04] that bug about abiword, is it a workflow bug that the bug squad can skip? [23:07] yes [23:07] That is the new one to move it to universe, right? [23:08] It is a packageing bug [23:08] ah [23:09] I tend to keep watch for all the abiword bugs, myself. [23:09] but should that go into a mailing list? [23:10] What? [23:10] that I watch them? [23:11] Xubuntu uses Abiword instead of OpenOffice.org, so Abiword comes under the xubuntu-team bug watch [23:11] no [23:11] I mean the bug is about getting abiword out of main because it is not being maintained [23:11] so shouldn't this go to some dev discussion [23:11] no, the devs will pick up on it [23:12] I already discussed it with the developers and maintainers [23:12] ah okay, great [23:12] moving on then [23:13] Thanks for helping [23:24] . [23:24] 000000000000...................................... [23:24] .0 [23:24] huh? [23:25] hggdh: asleep at the keyboard? [23:40] I was going to report a bug the other day. I asked here what to report it against and someone said gtk. I got interrupted, and now that I'm actually trying to do it, I can't seem to figure out what package gtk is in. [23:44] SoftwareExplorer: what was the problem you were having? [23:45] nigel_nb: A problem with multiple pointers that only seems to happen on gnome applications, not qt ones [23:45] SoftwareExplorer, ubuntu-bug libgtk2.0-0 [23:46] Thanks.