[13:11] <hal_> i smell coffee
[13:12] <knome> hal_, that's an interesting hobby. people usually drink it.
[13:13] <knome> hal_, thanks for the confession, though.
[13:13] <hal_> its not ready yet..but i am waiting :)
[13:14] <hal_> good morning knome. how are you today?
[13:14] <knome> i'm fine thanks :) and you?
[13:15] <hal_> ok for now. better after my first cup
[13:15] <knome> hehe, of course
[13:16] <hal_> yup. how long have you use xubuntu? I have used it now for over a year. I like it. Got my kids hooked on it too. lol
[13:17] <knome> since june 2007
[13:19] <hal_> nice
[13:19] <knome> been using ubuntu since 2006
[13:20] <hal_> where from? I'm in Texas
[13:20] <knome> helsinki, finland
[13:20] <Sysi> knome's from swamp in northern europe :)
[13:20] <hal_> sweet. met a few people from Finland down in deep Mexico on vacation. Very nice people
[13:20] <knome> Sysi, even if you live at a swamp, i do not. i live in a forest. ;)
[13:21] <hal_> lol
[13:21] <knome> well, the ski tracks start from our door and nearest forest is 20m that way
[13:22] <Sysi> actually i pretty much live in the forest :)
[13:23] <_Pete_> In here Jyväskylä we have houses
[13:23] <knome> yeah, but i live in a relatively big city, remind you
[13:23] <knome> _Pete_, boring
[13:24] <Sysi> house can be in a forest
[13:24] <Sysi> here are some other houses also but still forest
[13:26] <knome> you could also live in a treehouse in the summer
[13:29] <hal_> i'm surrounded by asphalt and concrete. Suburbia land
[13:30] <hal_> at least i can hunt possums with my pellet gun
[13:30] <knome> lol
[13:31] <hal_> some rats too
[13:36] <knome> meh. i have to eat
[13:36] <knome> bbl
[13:36] <hal_> laters
[15:53] <akx> where can i get the source for xubuntu 9.10 usplash theme
[15:54] <knome> akx, source as in?
[15:54] <akx> .tar.gz package
[15:54] <knome> ...
[15:55] <knome> apt-source xubuntu-artwork-usplash ?
[15:55] <akx> tried got nothing
[15:55] <akx> "source package not found"
[15:56] <knome> sorry, apt-get source xubuntu-artwork-usplash
[15:56] <knome> should download xubuntu-artwork
[15:57] <akx> ill try
[15:59] <akx> not there
[16:00] <akx> "unable to find source  package"
[16:01] <akx> can you give the link
[16:03] <knome> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/xubuntu-artwork
[16:13] <akx> this is a deb package,,i do not need the .so file i need this images and the .c files
[16:16] <knome> akx, "the images" as in??
[16:19] <akx> try apt-get source usplash-theme-ubuntu
[16:19] <akx> you'll get the tar in the active directory
[16:20] <knome> usplash-theme-xubuntu then?
[16:21] <akx> that where the error is source for xubuntu usplash is not found
[16:25]  * genii sips and thinks about uncommenting deb-src lines 
[16:25] <akx> any idea where it can be found
[16:43] <knome> akx, /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[16:50] <akx> can u just upload the source and give me the link i m in a hurry
[16:51] <knome> uhm, no?
[16:51] <knome> !attitude | akx
[16:52] <knome> you've asked this for an hour. i should have found out already if you really used your time
[16:52] <akx> no this is not my attitude my isp is giving his servers a break
[16:52] <akx> it will shutdown in like 15 minutes
[16:53] <Pres-Gas> akx, what version of xubu?
[16:53] <akx> 9.10
[16:54] <Pres-Gas> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xubuntu-artwork/xubuntu-artwork_0.38.tar.gz
[16:54] <Pres-Gas> akx, you can get that from packages.ubuntu.com
[16:55] <Pres-Gas> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/usplash-theme-xubuntu
[16:55] <akx> thankx man i couldnt find the i tried for like 3 hrs
[17:21] <ron_o> I created a separate /tmp partition for the first time on a new install. Usually I leave /tmp in  "/" . Now, I keep needing to delete files in there to add more space. Even though it's large, 12GB, if I copy DVDs and such it fills up quickly.
[17:21] <ron_o> is this normal?
[17:22] <ron_o> from what I understand, /tmp is normally just in RAM and SWAP and so everything gets removed automatically when apps don't need them anymore or you restart the computer.
[17:53] <TheSheep> ron_o: that's not true
[17:53] <TheSheep> ron_o: it's a normal partition like everything else, except that some systems may be configured to clear it once in a while, for example on reboot
[17:54] <TheSheep> ron_o: maybe you should just enable the "delete the image when copying is done" option in your cd copying program
[18:04] <ron_o> TheSheep, ok. Well then I guess I heard it wrong then. I'll config copy program for it.
[18:06] <ron_o> the thing that confused me was before on 9.04, on reboot my /tmp directory would clear. Plus, when I closed my internet browser, anything it put in there would clear. now it just stays there even on reboot.
[18:28] <Pres-Gas> ron_o, you may be thinking of solaris (possibly BSD???).  Their /tmp directory was also the swap file.
[18:28] <Pres-Gas> I don't think it is anymore, but it used to me
[18:29] <Pres-Gas> s/me/be
[18:30] <ron_o> Pres-Gas, yah, maybe.
[18:31] <ron_o> the next time I reboot this machine, which at this moment it looks like about never (it's so stable) I'll see what's going on in the swap. :)
[18:32] <Pres-Gas> ron_o, did you configure a different swap partition?
[18:32] <ron_o> I just created a totally separate partition now and never have before. Other than that, nothing.
[18:33] <ron_o> rather, I meant in /tmp...
[18:33] <ron_o> so sorry. I wrote the wrong thing.
[18:33] <Pres-Gas> Hmmm, it should have complained if you did not make a swap partition
[18:33] <ron_o> I did... I have swap.
[18:34] <Pres-Gas> So you have / swap and /tmp, ron_o?
[18:34] <ron_o> yah, sorry for the confusion.
[18:34] <Pres-Gas> np
[18:35] <ron_o> ... /swap 2GB and /tmp 12GB
[18:35] <Pres-Gas> How big is your / ?
[18:35] <ron_o> my / is 16GB
[18:35] <ron_o> yah, big, I know.
[18:35] <Pres-Gas> No other partitions?
[18:36] <ron_o> ... /boot @ 1GB and /home @ the rest...
[18:36] <ron_o> plus another spare / (figuring instead of upgrading, I like installing fresh).
[18:37] <Pres-Gas> Whoa, /boot is pretty big...512 would have been a tad on the large side, 256 ideal unless you plan on keeping a ton of kernel images
[18:37] <ron_o> Pres-Gas, I agree. However, I have plenty of space... I ran out of space when everyone was recommending 100MB, so I just went large.
[18:38] <ron_o> .. /boot is pretty important to care about 512MB.
[18:39] <ron_o> hehe, 512MB is nothing until you run out of space. :)
[18:40] <Sysi> fedora's default /boot is 200mb
[18:40] <ron_o> that's a very good size 200mb.
[18:41] <ron_o> if I ever do it again, I'll go about that size because everyone just complains about my large /boot'eee  ;->
[18:42] <ron_o> some say, the larger /boot'eee the better, but I digress..
[20:57] <likemindead> Zzz
[20:58]  * Pres-Gas slaps likemindead
[20:58]  * charlie-tca thinks slow is good, sometimes
[20:58]  * likemindead wakes up & wipes the drool from his cheek/desk.
[20:59] <likemindead> So... http://www.google.com/phone ?!
[20:59] <Pres-Gas> sometimes...it is like I get busy at the day job...and then I miss the action here...
[20:59] <likemindead> There's only eight or so folks in here that are actually active. :-\
[21:01] <knome> likemindead, well, you have to be happy we are hyperactive
[21:02] <charlie-tca> We could ask some in #ubuntu to come here for help?
[21:02]  * likemindead just dipped into his vacuum flask of afternoon coffee. :D
[21:04] <Pres-Gas> Whoa, likemindead is like an Agent in the Matrix!  :P
[21:05] <likemindead> Decided to hop over from a desktop to my laptop.
[21:05] <likemindead> My ancient, PIII laptop that love's Xubuntu 9.10, that is!
[21:06]  * likemindead is ready for some 10.04 action.
[21:07] <charlie-tca> well, start testing the images monday
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Alpha 2 is coming, which is my time to swithc
[21:09] <diego453686> Hi, I've got a doubt regarding a video card ati mobility radeon x1400, the problem is that the drivers installed by envy un xubuntu 8.10 are not compatible with with 9.04 and so on, so is there a way to get this card working with 3d acceleration
[21:09] <diego453686> sorry it was cut off I mean that driver of ati mobility radeon x1400 are not compatible with 9.05 and so on
[21:10]  * likemindead dreads ATI...
[21:10] <charlie-tca> didn't have a 9.05. We have 9.04 and 9.10 after 8.10
[21:10] <diego453686> sorry 9.04 a finger mistake
[21:10] <Sysi> newest is 9.10
[21:11] <diego453686> yes karmic koala
[21:11] <likemindead> Have you tried 9.10, diego453686?
[21:12] <diego453686> yes
[21:12] <likemindead> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1214858&highlight=radeon+x1400
[21:12] <charlie-tca> I don't think 9.10 uses envy
[21:14] <diego453686> I know the problem but not the solution, ubuntu 9.04 and foward uses EXA instead of XAA
[21:14] <lighta> Hi
[21:14] <Pres-Gas> Hello, lighta
[21:14] <likemindead> Ahoy.
[21:15] <lighta> :), my round 2 versus ttf-msthing...
[21:15] <lighta> !
[21:17] <lighta> where can I check instalation log file ?
[21:18] <charlie-tca>  /var/log/installer is a starting point
[21:18] <lighta> like when I used application>add/remove an app and I got an error is there a log file and if yes where is it ?
[21:18] <lighta> hi charlie ok thx^
[21:19] <charlie-tca> yes, the logs are all kept in /var/log
[21:20] <charlie-tca> If you can't find it anywhere else, you look through /var/log/syslog , but that takes a long time
[21:21] <lighta> hmm I looking it trought firstly but there like 6 file and a folder, can you be more precise where I should chek or it depend on my app that I add ?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> not really, look at the dates and try to find the one closest to when you did the installation
[21:23] <lighta> hmm should I open the syslog document with something special ? can't read nothing there
[21:26] <charlie-tca> open it in mousepad
[21:26] <lighta> yes I just did it it's fine^
[21:40] <lighta> does it exist a xubuntu sofware who check your hardware and offert you to install some pilote for it ?
[21:40] <likemindead> What's a "pilote" ?
[21:41] <lighta> hmm drivers ?
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[21:44] <lighta> he only tell me that none onwners drivers is in use on this os
[21:45] <lighta> well nevermind I deal it after, so I just dl msttcorefonts_2.6.tar.gz wich is an archive but how do I install it now ?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Can't install it from synaptic package manager?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> !fonts
[21:59] <lighta> I don't see it in the synaptic package manager, but as I already got it an archive isn't a simple way to intall it ? (ttfmscorefont)
[22:01] <likemindead> Just run "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts" in a Terminal.
[22:01] <likemindead> That's what I did. Easy.
[22:03] <lighta> hmm actually main probleme is that I can't reach sorceforge.net when I do that
[22:04] <lighta> we already try yesterday with charlie-tca to add source and key but it changed nothing
[22:11] <likemindead> Sounds like the problem is on their end. You said you had a .deb package? It may want to download the fonts too. :-\
[22:12] <rcscomp> I have full-sized a window.  How do I un-fullsize it?
[22:12] <likemindead> Uh... what program?
[22:13] <rcscomp> rdesktop
[22:13] <charlie-tca> try F11?
[22:14] <rcscomp> Well, the problem is that the keys get sent to the remote machine whenever the rdesktop window is active.
[22:14] <likemindead> D'oh...
[22:15] <likemindead> I'd create a shortcut via Settings>Keyboard.
[22:15] <lighta> cut connection ?
[22:15] <rcscomp> Actually, that made me think of something though.  I don't use rdesktop in full screen mode, because it doesn't work right with dual monitors.  But I just tried ctrl-alt-enter, which made it fullsize, and then ctrol-alt-enter again and now I have the window with a title bar.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Then you can grab a corner to resize the window
[22:17] <charlie-tca> cd ..
[22:17] <rcscomp> yep, it works now.  It would be better if I could right click the window in the panel and choose "un-fullscreen" or something like that, but this works I guess.
[22:22] <lighta> ? ubuntu paste server
[22:22] <likemindead> paste.ubuntu.com
[22:24] <lighta> here my mscorefont error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/351989/
[22:24] <lighta> it's in french (well haf)
[22:26] <likemindead> Try changing servers in Synaptic.
[22:27] <lighta> point is when I try to install a program with packet manager it's always run this configuration for mscorefonts wich provide an error but program look working anyway
[22:27] <lighta> ok i'll do that
[22:28] <likemindead> Open Synaptic. Then choose "Settings>Repositories>Download from: Other" and select the best server for your connection.
[22:28] <lighta> for sourceforge they all fail
[22:30] <lighta> is it #synaptic chan that you told me to ask in ?
[22:33] <knome> it is a problem in the ubuntu package.
[22:33] <knome> seemingly.
[22:33] <knome> or a problem with your internet connection
[22:33] <charlie-tca> brb
[22:35] <knome> lighta, worksforme.
[22:35] <lighta> hmm idk knome I can't ping them neither
[22:36] <knome> i just reinstalled that package and it works
[22:36] <knome> are you sure sf.net isn't somehow blocked?
[22:37] <VickKleen> say I thought when you install Xubuntu it will automatically add windows partitions to fstab, I installed 9.10 and there are no partitions added...
[22:37] <lighta> give me a server adress I'll check
[22:38] <knome> lighta, see pm.
[22:40] <VickKleen> anyone?
[22:42] <uNoMe> What is the recommended graphics card and processor speed for Xubuntu?
[22:42] <charlie-tca> graphics - any that work with Ubuntu should work
[22:42] <charlie-tca> Processor - minimum 400MHz
[22:43] <lighta> VickKleen, I didn't rally understand your question but yes you should have 2 new partition
[22:43] <uNoMe> Okay, I opted for xubuntu because i only have 256mb ram. So im not sure what works with ubuntu.
[22:43] <VickKleen> I said I thought Xubuntu will add in Windows partitions automatically when you install Xubuntu to fstab, but it didn
[22:43] <VickKleen> didn't...
[22:44] <charlie-tca> uNoMe: what speed cpu?
[22:44] <VickKleen> 256MB of ram isn't going to run Gnome good at all
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu doesn't run Gnome, though
[22:44] <uNoMe> hmm pretty good i think
[22:44] <uNoMe> def 2Ghz+
[22:44] <uNoMe> pentium 4
[22:45] <VickKleen> charlie-tca: I was talking about what uNoMe said... ;p
[22:45] <charlie-tca> with 256MB ram, you should be okay. You are a little short to run big programs like OpenOffice.org
[22:45] <uNoMe> i ask this because the whole thing feels pretty sluggish.
[22:45] <uNoMe> and multi-tasking puts it over the top.
[22:45] <charlie-tca> You may find you need about a 1GB swap partition/file
[22:45] <charlie-tca> it will
[22:45] <VickKleen> yeah 256mb in Xubuntu isn't as snappy as it should be
[22:46] <charlie-tca> but you can run Xubuntu
[22:46] <VickKleen> to many services and background processes going on
[22:46] <uNoMe> yeah, it def. runs, just not as well as I would like.
[22:46] <uNoMe> do you have a suggestion for an OS that would runner a little snappier?
[22:47] <ron_o> uNoMe, don't run any applets in xubuntu, they can be quite hard on old systems. Also, you should consider using fluxbox as a window manager. To be honest, 256MB is the bare minimum required.
[22:47] <ron_o> uNoMe, run DSL (Damn Small Linux) and run it it RAM..
[22:48] <ron_o> it's a live system...
[22:48] <uNoMe> Hmm.
[22:48] <ron_o> also, maybe Puppy Linux. But Puppy isn't Debian based.
[22:48] <uNoMe> Okay, ill look into that.
[22:48] <uNoMe> I dont use it as a primary OS
[22:48] <charlie-tca> actually, 192MB is the absolute minimum ram for Xubuntu
[22:48] <uNoMe> i mean primary computer
[22:48] <uNoMe> but its better than it being essentially a brick under XP
[22:49] <ron_o> ahh, XP is still a hog.
[22:49] <VickKleen> uNoMe: well I hope you can handle working with --> rcconf, install it in Synaptics, then kill off what you don't need, and then in the Control Panel - Session & Startup - Application Autostart uncheck for new hardware then after this you might get a bit more snap
[22:50] <VickKleen> I was thinking of trying Absolute it's suppose to be fast
[22:50] <VickKleen> uses the Icewm though
[22:50] <uNoMe> Not familiar with rcconf
[22:50] <VickKleen> well get familiar then :)
[22:50] <uNoMe> heh.
[22:50] <VickKleen> install then run --> sudo rcconf
[22:50] <uNoMe> Is it just like a checkbox GUI type thing?
[22:50] <ron_o> uNoMe, the thing is, you *can* even run a linux version on 100MB RAM or less, but the more you ask of your computer, the more your OS will ask of you. That is, you'll need to brush up on some techniques and learn more than the average person.
[22:51] <VickKleen> yeah, to kill startup processes
[22:51] <uNoMe> Yeah.
[22:51] <VickKleen> but you need to know what the startup process are, if you don't, then don't mess with them, the ones you don't just ask what you can and can't do safely
[22:51] <uNoMe> Well thanks for your help,
[22:51] <uNoMe> ill look into that.
[22:51] <uNoMe> have to run now.
[22:52] <VickKleen> it's a must have, surprised Ubuntu doesn't install it by default, yeah guess they want us all to be noobs
[22:52] <VickKleen> LOL
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Why not just kill them in sessions and startup?
[22:54] <VickKleen> cause that doesn't list all of them
[22:54] <ron_o> VickKleen, hehe, nice tool. :) just d/l and used it.
[22:55] <charlie-tca> I have to check it out, too
[22:55] <ron_o> there are tons of tools I don't know about. Just so hard now, because now that I have rcconf, by the time I use it again I'll forget the name. :/
[22:55] <aletheia84> i need some help configuring my screen resolution in xubuntu 9.10 can anybody help me???
[22:55] <ron_o> aletheia84, the gui tools don't work?
[22:56] <VickKleen> rcconf is a standard Debian run tool
[22:56] <aletheia84> no my max screen resolution is 800x600 and i need 1024x 768
[22:56] <charlie-tca> So, is rcconf going to work with upstart?
[22:56] <ron_o> so Settings >> Display doesn't list 1024x768?
[22:56] <aletheia84> no it doesn't
[22:57] <Ov3rf10w> sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:57] <aletheia84> it is an older toshiba laptop probably about 9 years old
[22:58] <Ov3rf10w> in screen section add:SubSection "Display"
[22:58] <Ov3rf10w> Modes "1024x768"
[22:58] <Ov3rf10w> EndSubSection
[22:58] <ron_o> aletheia84, configuring xorg.conf may take some knowing.
[22:58] <VickKleen> I'm not aware that Upstart can stop services from running at startup like how you do with rcconf
[22:58] <ron_o> Ov3rf10w, perhaps too it could be his video driver. I've tried that before and it didn't set things right.
[22:59] <aletheia84> i have dabbled in it already in the previous versions of ubuntu but in 9.10 there is no xorg.conf file
[22:59] <ron_o> aletheia84, there is too..
[22:59] <VickKleen> later guys
[22:59] <ron_o> try this: $ mlocate -i xorg.conf
[23:00] <ron_o> it will show you where anything is.
[23:00] <ron_o>  $ mlocate -i
[23:01] <aletheia84> what do you mean show me where anything is??
[23:02] <ron_o> "mlocate -i" is a search mechanism... if you can't find something, then use it and you'll see.
[23:03] <ron_o> the switch " -i " is to make sure it ignores caps.
[23:03] <aletheia84> do i need to put anything in the terminal after mlocate -i
[23:03] <aletheia84> ??
[23:03] <ron_o> sure.... what you are searching for. :)
[23:03] <aletheia84> I'm sorry I'm a total newbie to linux
[23:03] <ron_o> mlocate -i xorg.conf      .... will do just fine.
[23:03] <ron_o> that's ok.
[23:04] <aletheia84> what do i do after i locate the xorg.conf file?
[23:05] <ron_o> you have to be root and modify like Ov3rf10w suggested. And by all means, make a backup first.
[23:06] <aletheia84> thanks ron_o i will try that as soon as i am able to get back to my computer with linux on it
[23:52] <lighta> still have this mscorefont error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/351989/ when I use the depository to add prog even after I put the font manually https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts.
[23:52] <lighta> But font are working fine so how just I take this out ?
[23:59] <Misio> Hi, does anyone know why thunar doesn't displays OpenOffice file icons?