[00:00] <emgy> entonse ?
[00:01] <iconmefisto> !info transmission
[00:01] <Alundra> After all, I cant load X by KDM, just by "startx" command on shell.  I'v looked arround syslog and it told me  that there's no ...kdm/faces/.default.face
[00:01] <iconmefisto> there you go LA-Snow, it's in official repos, universe
[00:02] <LA-Snow> iconmefisto: that one lists 1.75 and not the 1.76 version that is out.  i heard adding the transmission repository fixes this and has the releases post up sooner
[00:02] <iconmefisto> I see
[00:03] <iconmefisto> LA-Snow: http://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5604
[00:05] <LA-Snow> there we go.  thanks, iconmefisto!
[00:07] <jwill> soee: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221463
[00:08] <soee> jwill: good job
[00:20] <FeasibilityStudy> I keep getting a persistent crash on Kubuntu with Dolphin file manager.  The backtrace is not useful, but I cannot find a debug package to install.  Can anyone tell me which dbg package I need for /lib/libdbus-1.so.3?
[00:20] <FeasibilityStudy> I am using 9.10 with KDE 3.4.3
[00:21] <FeasibilityStudy> I have installed every possible dbg package associated with dbus, but I still get a backtrace that is "not useful"
[00:41] <Daughain> WB, jwill-
[00:41] <jwill-> :D
[00:41] <jwill-> soee: I guess that's a duplicate of this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183245
[00:41] <Planetary> Jwill: hey I have a new problem
[00:42] <Planetary> ;)
[00:42]  * Daughain chuckles./
[00:42] <meowkbuntu> hi there is no skype package for kubuntu strangue as skype is a verry popular application
[00:43] <meowkbuntu> where can i get it.
[00:43] <Daughain> skype.deb from the skype website.
[00:44] <jwill-> Planetary: Augh, stop saying jwill!  It doesn't highlight as me
[00:44] <Daughain> choose x86 or x64, depending on what you are running.
[00:44] <meowkbuntu> o yea but its not in package manager like in ubuntu strange ay
[00:44] <Daughain> Dunno,m I didnt use package manager to install it in ubuntu.
[00:44] <jwill-> Planetary: Nevermind, just added it.  But it's not my name, because there's another jwill somewhere on this network.
[00:44] <Daughain> I used the .deb in the first place.
[00:45] <Planetary> ok.... ohhh the - at the end
[00:45] <coreyB> anyone around?
[00:45] <Daughain> coreyB,   No, we all went out for a beer.
[00:45] <coreyB> aww you forgot me lol
[00:45]  * Daughain chuckles.
[00:45] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: I think it's in medibuntu?
[00:45] <coreyB> anywho, the thing on the kubuntu 9.10 desktop called, "desktop" i accidently deleted it, any idea how to get it back?
[00:46] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[00:46] <coreyB> i believe it would be called a widget but im not sure
[00:46] <pinkisntwell> i uninstalled my nvidia driver and now when i start kde doesn't start, all i get is command prompt, how do i start x and kde and everything?
[00:46] <jwill-> coreyB: Yeah, it's a widget.
[00:46] <coreyB> yeah how do i get it back?
[00:47] <jwill-> coreyB: Right click on desktop, unlock.  Then add widget, and drag folder view onto desktop
[00:47] <jwill-> coreyB: Actually, just click on the cashew thing in the top right
[00:47] <jwill-> coreyB: And select add widget
[00:47] <coreyB> oo
[00:47] <coreyB> that thing just disappeared and my desktop background went away
[00:48] <coreyB> and the right click menu is like when its in gnome wtf
[00:48] <Daughain> Which thing called desktop, out of curiosity?
[00:48] <coreyB> Daughain,  http://bt.gd/14r
[00:48] <coreyB> the thing that holds the icons
[00:48] <coreyB> anyway im gonna restart
[00:49] <Planetary> ok so i installed kubuntu on a new computer and it wont boot. I selected the rights hd on boot priority, it is set as slave and the master has windows on it. I get "FXE-E53 no boot file name received" "no perating system found"
[00:49] <Planetary> The partition numbering is not in order. could that be the problem?
[00:50] <coreyB> ok
[00:50] <Daughain> How the hell did he delete that?
[00:50] <coreyB> i just clicked the X button on the widget? >.>
[00:50] <Daughain> ?????
[00:51] <Daughain> I gotta see this....
[00:51] <meowkbuntu> URI: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu
[00:51] <meowkbuntu> Distrubution: jaunty
[00:51] <coreyB> shall i take a screenshot?
[00:51] <meowkbuntu> Components: partner
[00:51] <meowkbuntu> whats the latest info for ubuntu 9.10 please
[00:51] <FloodBotK1> meowkbuntu: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:51] <Daughain> Desktop folder?
[00:52] <meowkbuntu> not a flood if its less than 5 lines and only one post every 5 minuts
[00:52] <Daughain> meowkbuntu,   What about karmic? WHat info?
[00:52] <coreyB> jwill- u there?
[00:52] <meowkbuntu> Daughain: see info i posted ^ thats for 9.04 jaunty. whats replacment for 9.10
[00:52] <jwill-> coreyB: Yeah
[00:52] <Daughain> coreyB,   Screenshot please,
[00:53] <coreyB> kk sec
[00:53] <coreyB> Daughain,  http://i48.tinypic.com/2w4aa15.png
[00:53] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: You shouldn't browese repos manually, really.
[00:54] <Daughain> meowkbuntu, Are you still talking about skype?
[00:54] <Daughain> coreyB,  Gimme a min while it loads.
[00:54] <coreyB> lol
[00:54] <coreyB> high resolution
[00:54] <Daughain> lol
[00:54] <meowkbuntu> Daughain: it dont matter what do i replace jaunty with as i have 9.10
[00:54] <Daughain> No, issues in the lan, methins.
[00:56] <meowkbuntu> its not like that
[00:56] <meowkbuntu> well do i replace jaunty with karmic kola, karmic-koala, or karmic
[00:57] <coreyB> Daughain,  see what im talking about?
[00:58] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: How do you upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10?
[00:58] <Derath-Srvr> QUick question, what sound system is KDE using in 9.10?
[00:58] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: Best way is a clean install.  But you can try upgrading.
[00:58] <jwill-> Derath-Srvr: Kubuntu uses pulseaudio and xine, I think?
[00:59] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: do you know if 9.10 is karmic, karmic-koala or karmic koala. when adding repos
[00:59] <Derath-Srvr> sigh
[00:59] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: i am not upgrading so there
[00:59] <jwill-> 9.10 is karmic koala
[01:00] <Derath-Srvr> I know it was using phonon (spelling?) previously, and I'm having all sorts of issues with alsa/pulse lately...
[01:00] <Daughain> coreyB,   Yeah, looks like you deleted desktop folder...Trying to figure out how to get it back. =)
[01:00] <coreyB> well i can see it in the home dir lol
[01:01] <Daughain> coreyB,   Can ya put it back?? =)
[01:01] <coreyB> how..?
[01:01] <Derath-Srvr> Corey: issues with FolderView?
[01:01] <jwill-> Derath-Srvr: Kubuntu adds pulseaudio to kde 4.3.  KDE is adding pulseaudio in 4.4, I think.
[01:01] <coreyB> Derath-Srvr,  i deleted the desktop thing on the desktop and i wanna get it back
[01:01] <Daughain> Ya, he deleted desktop folder
[01:01] <pinkisntwell> i uninstalled the nvidia driver with engym or whatever it's called and now x doesn't start when i start kubuntu. how do i reinstall and enable it from the command line?
[01:02] <coreyB> oo
[01:02] <coreyB> fixed it. lol
[01:02] <Daughain> How?=)
[01:02] <Derath-Srvr> Sounds like the FolderView plasmoid was removed if the folder is still in the home directory
[01:02] <coreyB> i went in my home dir,  and dragged Desktop to the Desktop LOL
[01:02] <coreyB> and then clicked FolderView
[01:02] <Daughain> Oi/111
[01:03] <Daughain> Least ya got it fixed. =)
[01:03] <coreyB> oo sweet
[01:03] <coreyB> i can do that with multiple folders :D
[01:03] <Derath-Srvr> Now if only the issues I'm having with alsa were that easy lol
[01:03] <coreyB> *Shrugs* alsa.. lol
[01:04] <Daughain> oOOO.....I need to look into that...
[01:04] <coreyB> hey Daughain  is there anyway to just make the icons use the whole desktop instead of folder view?
[01:04] <Daughain> You dragging the folder from dolphin onto desktop, coreyB ?
[01:04] <coreyB> yeah
[01:04] <meowkbuntu> ok all this is for ubuntu http://pastebin.ca/1739577. how do i do same thing in kubuntu
[01:04] <Derath-Srvr> Corey: should be able to do that with multiple folderview plasmoids and use the options on each to display whichever folder
[01:05] <iconmefisto> kubuntu now installs pulseaudio by default, jwill- ?
[01:05] <Daughain> coreyB,   Yeah, you drag the icon onto the desktop.
[01:05] <jwill-> iconmefisto: It's installed on my computer, and I didn't install it
[01:05] <jwill-> iconmefisto: So presuably yes
[01:05] <Daughain> Lemme try something..
[01:05] <meowkbuntu> Daughain: jwill- would you know
[01:06] <coreyB> hmm
[01:06] <coreyB> Daughain,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GckZ_HuHUgI
[01:06] <coreyB> watch about 40 seconds in, i dont have that Activity thing any idea?
[01:07] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: Know what?
[01:08] <pinkisntwell> is there anything special i should do to use nvidia driver? i have installed the nvidia-glx package but i only get a command line when i start, x doesn't start at all
[01:08] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: i posted ^
[01:08] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: ok all this is for ubuntu http://pastebin.ca/1739577. how do i do same thing in kubuntu
[01:08] <tsimpson> coreyB: that's just under "Desktop settings"
[01:08] <coreyB> tsimpson,  all i have is Desktop
[01:08] <coreyB> here
[01:08] <Daughain> Waiting for it to load......Again...
[01:08] <coreyB> me will screenshot it lol
[01:08] <Derath-Srvr> pink: you installed the glx and now x won't start?
[01:08] <coreyB> ohhh wait
[01:09] <coreyB> tsimpson,  they moved it, he was using the beta
[01:09] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: can you take a look thanks
[01:09] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: Helping some other person right now, so I might take a few minutes
[01:09] <tsimpson> make sure you have plasma-widget-folderview
[01:09] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: btw, "pastebin - page not found - searching for 1739577."
[01:09] <coreyB> :))
[01:09] <coreyB> you guys are incredibly awesome
[01:10] <Derath-Srvr> meow: I think I had gone to adobe's website and got it, but let me double check...
[01:10] <tsimpson> jwill-: take off the '.' at the end
[01:10] <jwill-> tsimpson: Wow. It's a miracle.
[01:11] <jwill-> tsimpson: I just clicked on the link in quassel :S
[01:11] <Derath-Srvr> meow: just checked, I'm not sure if it's a 32-bit binary, but I believe the one I used was off adobe's website
[01:11] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: it is http://pastebin.ca/1739583
[01:12] <jwill-> Yeah, sorry
[01:12] <meowkbuntu> Derath-Srvr: thats teh ubuntu way of adding it. it will be similar but not the same for kubuntu
[01:12] <pinkisntwell> guys, do you know that if you resize a windows partition without leaving a lot of free space for windows (over 3 GB) it will crash at startup? (windows will crash that is)
[01:13] <meowkbuntu> no prob jwill-you are a busy boy atm
[01:13] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: Wait, you want acrobat reader? It's terrible compared to Okular.
[01:13] <Daughain> Windows always crashes.....
[01:13] <Derath-Srvr> meow: agreed that the pastebin is ubuntu's way, let me check kpackage, but I do know that pulling it from adobe's website (http://get.adobe.com/reader/?promoid=BUIGO) will work as well
[01:15] <Derath-Srvr> meow: You should have synaptic installed, right?
[01:16] <meowkbuntu> ok thanks jwill-i will try okular then
[01:16] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: Okular is the best pdf reader I've ever used.  I love it some.
[01:17] <Derath-Srvr> meowkbuntu: acroread is listed in synaptic... not to bash on you jwill :)
[01:17] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: But you could do the same thing as in ubuntu.  Kubuntu even uses the exact same application to enable the partner repos as ubuntu
[01:17] <iconmefisto> meowkbuntu: it's pretty much the same as in ubuntu adding partner repos. go to kpackagekit, settings, edit software sources, "other software" tab, then tick the line that says "ubuntu karmic partner"
[01:17] <meowkbuntu> ok thanks jwill-i will try okular then
[01:18] <MrZergling> Can anyone tell me how to disable the window previews that popup when you hover hover a button on the taskbar?
[01:18] <jwill-> MrZergling: Right click on taskbar, settings
[01:18] <jwill-> MrZergling: And uncheck the "show tooltips" thing
[01:18] <iconmefisto> I agree about okular (unless you have unusual pdfs with forms or other special features)
[01:18] <MrZergling> thanks
[01:18] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: no not quite the same synaptic(on ubuntu) is different to kpackagekit (on kubuntu)
[01:19] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: I mean "Software Sources." It's a gtk application, and that annoys me.
[01:20] <iconmefisto> meowkbuntu: the settings module is software-properties-kde, in ubuntu it's software-properties-gtk
[01:20] <iconmefisto> meowkbuntu: they are functionally the same, just different widget styles
[01:23] <meowkbuntu> i just installed medibuntu to get skype for kubuntu but its still not in package manager. i used this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[01:24] <mgt> Did you run apt-get update after adding the Medibuntu repositories?
[01:24] <pinkisntwell> how can i tell kubuntu to use the nvidia-glx driver?
[01:24] <pinkisntwell> do i only need to edit xorg.conf/
[01:25] <pinkisntwell> ?
[01:25] <jwill-> pinkisntwell: there are like 4 people trying to help you in #kde
[01:26] <pinkisntwell> jwill-: yes but i thought maybe someone will know here, since it's distro-specific question
[01:28] <jwill-> pinkisntwell: We don't know yet, really.  But yeah, it probably is.  But kubuntu tends to get more elementary questions, whereas there are often developers hanging around in #kde
[01:31] <pinkisntwell> what's that applet that lets you change the graphics drivers?
[01:32] <Derath-Srvr> hardware drivers
[01:33] <Derath-Srvr> or jockey-kde
[01:33] <jwill-> pinkisntwell: If it's working now, don't remove the graphics driver again.  It generally doesn't end well.
[01:33] <pinkisntwell> no no, some other app, like envyq or something like that
[01:34] <jwill-> pinkisntwell: Envy isn't needed anymore.
[01:34] <pinkisntwell> jwill-: no i just want to see if that app has detected that i changed the driver, i will not change it
[01:34] <Derath-Srvr> I used jockey to install mine
[01:34] <Derath-Srvr> can use that to check (system>hardware drivers)
[01:34] <jwill-> pinkisntwell: Nvidia cards are supported fine.  If it was ATI, you might need envy, maybe.
[01:35] <Derath-Srvr> jwill: have I seen you posting in system76's forums? just wondering cause the nick was familiar...
[01:35] <jwill-> Derath-Srvr: Nope.  Most posts I have on any forum is ubuntu at 4.
[01:36] <Derath-Srvr> Ah, okay, n/m then... I think I'm off to go do a reinstall...
[01:44] <luis__> i need help!
[01:45] <luis__> ffmpeg is saying conversion of youtube videos to mp3 fails!!!!!
[01:45] <luis__> but come on, it converted nicely flvs to mp3 before!!!!
[01:45] <luis__> whats happening...
[01:45] <jwill-> Have you updated since then, or something?
[01:52] <jwill-> luis__: ?
[01:52] <luis__> ehmm
[01:53] <luis__> now i didnt update
[01:53] <luis__> it just stoped converting to mp3
[01:54] <jwill-> luis__: How long ago did it stop working?
[01:54] <luis__> like 1-2 weeks ago?
[01:54] <jwill-> luis__: How long ago did it last work?
[01:54] <luis__> now 1 sec
[01:54] <luis__> in christmas
[01:55] <Daughain> This is getting far too amusing...
[01:55] <luis__> i could download and convert to mp3 the song from youtbe
[01:55] <luis__> verano azul
[01:55] <luis__> later it stoped working
[01:55] <jwill-> Paste the error message?
[02:05] <Zeppelin> what's the KDE package manager
[02:05] <Zeppelin> and where is it located
[02:07] <jwill-> KPackageKit
[02:07] <jwill-> It's under System
[02:07] <jwill-> Zeppelin: ^
[02:08] <Zeppelin> thank you
[02:09] <Zeppelin> I'm new to the kDE but so far i can say i really love it
[02:11] <Zeppelin> jwill-
[02:11] <Zeppelin> what about a terminal? where is it located?
[02:12] <Zeppelin> and can i still sudo apt-get install <package>?
[02:14] <jwill-> Zeppelin: konsole and yes
[02:14] <jwill-> Zeppelin: I think it's under Utilities
[02:14] <mgt> It's under System.
[02:15] <Zeppelin> I really like KDE
[02:15] <Zeppelin> :)
[02:15] <Zeppelin> It makes erry thing look cooler
[02:16] <jwill-> Kubuntu has some issues, though.  So watch out.
[02:16] <jwill-> D:
[02:16] <mgt> The issues is what makes it fun. :p
[02:17] <jacob_> what issues does KDE have?
[02:17] <Daughain> compiz ujnder kde is hilarious.
[02:18] <mgt> People run Compiz under KDE?
[02:19]  * Daughain nods.
[02:19] <Daughain> This cube thing is hilairous.
[02:19] <Daughain> And, I'm easily amused. =)
[02:20] <mgt> Just stick to Kwin's cube. =)
[02:22] <Daughain> But this is just too funny.
[02:22] <Zeppelin_> wow
[02:22] <Zeppelin_> this is really cool
[02:22] <Zeppelin_> why would you even BOTHER with Gnome after seeing the magic of the KDE
[02:23] <Daughain> Gnome is great, epecially for office type use.
[02:23] <Daughain> And, if your a purist, well...Al the flashy 'windows' crap is just that. =)
[02:24] <Daughain> Different needs and opinions.
[02:24] <Daughain> And, for those first switching to a linux distro, gnome is a good place to start. Makes it easy to learn.
[02:24] <Zeppelin_> i guess..
[02:24] <Zeppelin_> but truly
[02:25] <mgt> Ubuntu is much more polished than Kubuntu as well. Although that's more an Ubuntu/Kubuntu distinction rather than a Gnome/KDE one.
[02:25] <Zeppelin_> my opinion is that the flashy 'windows' crap is a loook into the future
[02:25] <Zeppelin_> anything else is just like going back into the past of computers
[02:25] <Daughain> I dunno, I instaled Ubuntu 9.10, added kde yesterday, and compiz today.
[02:25] <mgt> Nothing wrong with retro tools. =P
[02:26] <Daughain> Zeppelin_,   Kinda, but, if you need to implement a linux distro for 1000 people, it is easier prolly safer to go with a standard gnome interface.
[02:27] <Daughain> What you do with your home system, is al up to you, busniess implementations,howoever....
[02:27] <jwill-> Gnome is more stable, but it's not really moving forward.
[02:28] <Daughain> Agreed......But, I could see bored office workers playing with thier desktops and not getting much work done. =)
[02:28] <Daughain> WB, coreyB
[02:28] <coreyB> thanks Daughain
[02:30] <mgt> The Facebook Plasmoid will cause unprecedented amounts of lost productivity if KDE is ever mass-deployed in an enterprise environment.
[02:31] <Zeppelin_> GRR
[02:31] <Zeppelin_> This weather applet is pissing me off
[02:31] <Daughain> mgt, kinda my point. =)
[02:31] <Zeppelin_> what do I enter for my city?
[02:31] <coreyB> no comment.
[02:31] <Daughain> What city do you live in?
[02:31] <Zeppelin_> Costa Mesa
[02:32] <Daughain> So enter that.?
[02:32] <Zeppelin_> i put it in and it gives me an error
[02:32] <jwill-> ?
[02:32] <jwill-> It might not have a service that provides weather data for that area
[02:32] <Daughain> What country's weather service are you using?
[02:33] <Zeppelin_> NOAA
[02:33] <Daughain> And its still gving you an error?
[02:33] <Zeppelin_> yes
[02:33] <Daughain> Hmmm.....WHats the next biggest city near you?
[02:33] <Zeppelin_> dunno
[02:33] <Zeppelin_> Los Angeles?
[02:33] <Daughain> Ummmm.....I was thining of short driving distance. :P
[02:33] <jwill-> Then yeah, it has info for your area
[02:34] <jwill-> try LA, maybe?
[02:35] <coreyB> hey jwill-  is there any way to install compiz on kubuntu?
[02:36] <jwill-> sudo aptitude purge compiz-core?
[02:36] <jwill-> or remove if you don't want to be that hardcore
[02:36] <coreyB> oo
[02:37] <jwill-> purge removes settings and stuff
[02:37] <coreyB> why would i wanna do that? :P
[02:38] <Daughain> imme a sec and I'll see if I can find it for ya, coreyB
[02:38] <coreyB> >:D
[02:38] <Daughain> apt-get install compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[02:38] <Daughain> For kde implementations. Same apt-get I used for my install.
[02:39] <coreyB> ah ok
[02:39] <coreyB> woot 13 minutes left.. dang my slow download :((d
[02:39] <Daughain> And, it was OOB for me.
[02:39] <Daughain> http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
[02:40] <Daughain> INcase you need more help configuring.
[02:40] <coreyB> what browser do you use Daughain?
[02:40] <Daughain> firefox for now.
[02:40] <Daughain> Need to get around to trying chrom.
[02:40] <Daughain> e
[02:40] <coreyB> thats what iv'e been using ^
[02:40] <Zeppelin_> how many people actually use Konqueror
[02:40] <coreyB> 123 not me.
[02:40] <Zeppelin_> instead of just apt-gettin' firefox
[02:41] <Zeppelin_> 123 not me either :)
[02:41]  * Zeppelin_ <3's ff
[02:41] <Daughain> Tried konquerror, and it was slow as all hell......
[02:41] <Zeppelin_> couldn't find package firefox?
[02:41] <Zeppelin_> wat
[02:42] <coreyB> i wish apple would make safari for linux >:(
[02:42] <Daughain> No, defalt from the initial KDE install....
[02:42] <Daughain> I added kde to Ubuntu, so, already had firefox installed.
[02:43] <Zeppelin_> so
[02:43] <Zeppelin_> how do i get firefox
[02:43] <coreyB> apt-get install firefox-3.5
[02:44] <Zeppelin_> wow this channel is so resourceful
[02:44] <Zeppelin_> how do i get a girlfriend?
[02:44] <Daughain> Get off your computer?
[02:44] <coreyB> impress her.
[02:44]  * Daughain grins.
[02:44] <Zeppelin_> wow 2 great answers
[02:44] <Zeppelin_> :)
[02:44] <Daughain> We try. )
[02:44] <jwill-> coreyB: Chrome is just as fast as safari
[02:44] <mgt> Show her your vim skills.
[02:44] <Zeppelin_> haha
[02:44] <jwill-> coreyB: If speed really matters, you could install it
[02:44] <Zeppelin_> actually i know a few girls who are impressed at my computer skills
[02:44] <Zeppelin_> but they are b cups
[02:44] <Zeppelin_> f u
[02:45] <coreyB> jwill-, im about to try actually
[02:45] <coreyB> last time i tried, it was a bit buggy
[02:45] <Daughain> Zeppelin_,   There *is* such a thing as too much boobie.
[02:45] <jwill-> coreyB: Haven't found many bugs for a few weeks
[02:45] <mgt> Depends on which one you install.
[02:45] <Zeppelin_> Daughain: Never!
[02:45] <Zeppelin_> how do I add a program to the favorites menu?
[02:45] <coreyB> jwill-,  wine or crossover?
[02:46] <jwill-> coreyB: Dude.  Neither.
[02:46] <coreyB> Zeppelin_,  right click the program and add to favorites
[02:46] <mgt> Neither. Get the native Linux version.
[02:46] <JCDG> hello friends
[02:46] <coreyB> o.o
[02:46] <coreyB> safari has a native linux?!?!
[02:46] <jwill-> coreyB: http://www.google.com/chrome
[02:46] <mgt> No, Chrome.
[02:46] <jwill-> Wait, what?  I was talking about chrome.
[02:46] <coreyB> jwill-,  i was talking about safari lol
[02:46] <mgt> Oh.
[02:46] <Daughain> There an apt-get for chrome yet?
[02:46] <mgt> Yeah.
[02:46] <Zeppelin_> der is?
[02:46] <jwill-> coreyB: Chrome uses same rendering engine, has native linux, and has extensions.
[02:46] <mgt> Google has Linux repositories.
[02:47] <jwill-> Daughain: You need to add the repository, but yeah
[02:47] <Daughain> apt-get chrome?
[02:47] <jwill-> Daughain: http://www.google.com/chrome
[02:47] <Daughain> jwill-,  Figgers, where can I find the repo?
[02:47] <Daughain> lol
[02:47] <jwill-> Daughain: The package adds it for you
[02:47] <Zeppelin_> does anyone here know the hotkey(s) on firefox for showing the homepage
[02:47] <jwill-> Daughain: It's weird like that.
[02:47] <mgt> But it makes it a bit of a pain to update.
[02:47] <Daughain> Ok, got one default set up.
[02:47] <mgt> http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html
[02:48] <jwill-> Yeah, nevermind O_O... don't know what I was thinking.
[02:48] <mgt> Easier to update, and you can get access to the developer releases if you want bleeding-edge.
[02:48] <Daughain> OK, lets see what chrome is like.
[02:49] <JCDG> I'm having some trouble with the multimedia buttons on my pc, I used to have Gnome (ubuntu) but then I installed the kubuntu desktop and now the button does not work anymore, where can I check the buttons actions?
[02:51] <JCDG> In this case is the mute button, the volume ones work fine...
[02:51] <jwill-> keyboard?
[02:52] <jwill-> System Settings -> Keyboard, JCDG.
[02:52] <coreyB> yo Daughain  should i disable the Kwin effects?
[02:52] <jwill-> JCDG: Under Global Keyboard Shortcuts
[02:52] <Daughain> coreyB,   I didnt.
[02:52] <jwill-> I think KDE auto-detects it
[02:53] <Daughain> coreyB,   Just ran that apt-get and went from there.....
[02:53] <jwill-> JCDG: I think it's meta+M by default.
[02:53] <coreyB> ah okie dokie
[02:53] <Daughain> coreyB,    systemsettings --> default applications --> window manager.  Select compiz.
[02:54] <Daughain> coreyB,   That is the path to get compiz running in kde.
[02:54] <JCDG> jwill-, ok, let me check that, Thanks..
[02:54] <pvp_yu> fff
[02:54] <jwill-> fff!
[02:54] <coreyB> oh ok
[02:55] <pvp_yu> test
[02:55] <pvp_yu> can you look me
[02:55] <jwill-> We can look you.
[02:55] <pvp_yu> OH
[02:56] <Max-P> Hi, is there a way to reset applications association un KDE4? (Mp3->Amarok, etc) Since I was using gnome, it's a real mess in applications association (MP3 opends totem, ogg opens mplayer, png opens oeg, etc there's a lot)
[02:56] <jwill-> You could probably delete the settings file for this in .kde
[02:56] <pvp_yu> this software can't input chinese
[02:57] <jwill-> Max-P: But I'm not sure where it is.  You can manually edit them in System Settings -> advance tab -> file associations
[02:57] <Max-P> jwill: yes but there are a lot of them
[02:57] <pvp_yu> a lot of chinese ?
[02:58] <Max-P> jwill: and my .kde is clean from about 2 hours ago, I was using gnome and just installed KDE 2 hours ago
[02:58] <Daughain> No faster than firefox.
[02:59] <Daughain> pvp_yu,   You using ubuntu?
[02:59] <pvp_yu> yes
[02:59] <jwill-> Daughain: It is, but probably not noticeable.
[02:59] <pvp_yu> kde is so Cumbersome
[02:59] <jwill-> pvp_yu: Kubuntu.
[02:59] <Daughain> jwill-,   If it isnt noticeable, what difference does it make?? =)
[02:59] <pvp_yu> kubuntu 9.10
[02:59] <JCDG> jwill-, I reasing the button, but it does not work yet...
[02:59] <jwill-> You came to the kde ubuntu channel just to insult kde :S
[03:00] <Daughain> pvp_yu,   Do you have kde installed as well?
[03:00] <jwill-> Daughain: Well, it is :D
[03:00] <jwill-> Daughain: The sandboxing is nice.  When one tab locks up, the browser remains responsive.
[03:00] <Daughain> jwill-,   Well, If I cant find a way to make it daeker, I;m going back to firefox. =)
[03:00] <jwill-> Daughain: Whereas firefox would just crash
[03:00] <Daughain> jwill-,   That is nice.
[03:00] <pvp_yu> yes i installed
[03:00] <JCDG> jwill-, every time I hit the mute button a bar appears in the middle of the screen showing "100%"...
[03:01] <jwill-> Daughain: https://tools.google.com/chrome/intl/en/themes/index.html
[03:01] <Daughain> pvp_yu,  When you log into your account, you can change the keyboard layout on the bottom of tat screen.
[03:01] <pvp_yu> but i used GNOME
[03:01] <jwill-> JCDG: Take a screenshot please?
[03:01] <JCDG> ok...
[03:01] <Daughain> pvp_yu,   The same screen also has a little box at the bottom to change from gnome to kde.
[03:02] <coreyB> Daughain,  im deffinatly sticking to Kwin lol
[03:02] <Daughain> jwill-,  Damn that was fast...
[03:02] <Daughain> coreyB,   Wassup?
[03:02] <coreyB> Daughain,  as in, Kwin was more snappy than compiz
[03:03] <mgt> No surprises there.
[03:03] <Daughain> coreyB,    I havent noticed any speed issues...
[03:03] <pvp_yu> I am not very good at English
[03:04] <Daughain> coreyB,  And Im not running that new of a system either.
[03:04] <JCDG> jwill-, http://img189.imageshack.us/i/instantnea1s.png/
[03:04] <coreyB> Daughain,  no no, i mean the effects are more snappy (useful. and the wobbly windows is better)
[03:04] <Daughain> I just need to find out how to re-enable the shatter effect. That was cool. =)
[03:04] <jwill-> pvp_yu: I was just talking to someone in #kde whose first language is chinese.  He might still be there, if you don't know much English.
[03:04] <Daughain> Set up the cube, thats hilarious. =)
[03:05] <jwill-> coreyB: Compiz is way more configurable than kwin effects, but it takes ages to get it usable.
[03:05] <mgt> Cube + Skydome = Pointless, but fun.
[03:05] <pvp_yu> 去吃午饭了 bye
[03:05] <Daughain> coreyB,   Once again you catch me only shortly after an instal, s I dont know much about it yet.
[03:05] <jwill-> pvp_yu: Yuking
[03:05] <Daughain> mgt  Exceedingly amusing, yes.
[03:06] <Daughain> jwill-,  I think he wanted to change his keyboard layout.,
[03:06] <Zeppelin_> hmm
[03:06] <Zeppelin_> how do i change the desktop bckground
[03:06] <jwill-> Zeppelin_: Right click on it
[03:06] <mgt> Right Click -> Desktop Settings
[03:06] <jwill-> JCDG: That's pretty weird
[03:06] <pvp_yu> Right button
[03:07] <JCDG> jwill-, I know, that's why I came here...the thing is that it works on gnome...
[03:07] <jwill-> JCDG: When did it appear, and is it always there?
[03:08] <pvp_yu> or system Preferences
[03:08] <JCDG> yeah always, I installed the kubuntu desktop this weekend...and I've been testing it since then...
[03:08] <jwill-> JCDG: And it's been there for always?
[03:08] <jwill-> JCDG: :D
[03:08] <JCDG> jwill-,  always, I installed the kubuntu desktop this weekend...and I've been testing it since then...
[03:09] <JCDG> no, no, sorry, is not always, it appears everytime i hit the mute button
[03:09] <jwill-> JCDG: When does it appear on login?
[03:09] <jwill-> JCDG: Okay... and it stays there?
[03:09] <meowkbuntu> kde is not as good and easy to use as gnome. kde looks more like xp. gnome acts more like it imho and i like gnome better
[03:10] <jwill-> If you installed KDE over gnome, it's probably some gnome thing that's screwed up now
[03:10] <JCDG> jwill-, so I push the mute button but the sound does not get mute,no, the vanishes after a second...
[03:10] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: Kde doesn't look like anything but KDE, esp since it's so themeable
[03:10] <pvp_yu> may be kde looks more like windows vista
[03:10] <jwill-> JCDG: Okay, go to System Settings -> Keyboard
[03:11] <meowkbuntu> yes more like win vista now
[03:11] <Daughain> meowkbuntu, All a case of what you like. Once you get used to kde, it isnt tat bad, acvtually.
[03:11] <JCDG> jwill-, done I'm there
[03:11] <meowkbuntu> i do not like kde it is harder to configure than gnome
[03:11] <jwill-> global shortcuts
[03:11] <JCDG> Daughain, In fact I work faster with Kde...even that I'm not used to it...
[03:11] <jwill-> meowkbuntu: It _can_ be configured.  Gnome can't, not really.
[03:12] <pvp_yu> haha gnome is very simple
[03:12] <JCDG> jwill-, done
[03:12] <Daughain> I havent had any problems configuring kde.
[03:12] <jwill-> JCDG: k, now find the mute action, and set the global shortcut to your mute button
[03:12] <Daughain> JCDG, I havent even had kde for a full 24 hours yet and I;m having no issues with it.
[03:12] <Daughain> OK, mebbe it is 24 hours now, just looked at the clock. =)
[03:13] <JCDG> jwill-, should I use the Kmix tab??
[03:13] <meowkbuntu> i have thoings stuff up. my network card needed confugering. on ubuntu it just auto set up. sound took more to configure. gnome auto.
[03:13] <Daughain> Though, I do admit to liking the compiz cube arrangement. =)
[03:14] <mgt> Daughain: You're right, Compiz is a lot more mature than Kwin.
[03:14] <Daughain> meowkbuntu,  Why didnt you ust use the repos to install kde, instead of switching to kubuntu?
[03:14] <jwill-> JCDG: http://imagebin.ca/view/biedqT7.html
[03:14] <meowkbuntu> compiz is no good for anyone it can hang up alot of applications so most expoert users turn the desktop effects off
[03:14] <jwill-> JCDG: You should be there
[03:14] <mgt> "Most expert users"?
[03:14] <meowkbuntu> Daughain: conflicts woth gnome happen when you do that ime
[03:14]  * Daughain is wondering if he shoud be insulted...
[03:15] <Daughain> meowkbuntu,  Thats exactly what I did with no conflicts or issues.
[03:15] <JCDG> jwill-, but it will only affect amarok or the entire sound system?
[03:15] <mgt> Daughain: Don't let him get to you =P
[03:15] <Daughain> As I said, 24 hours ago.
[03:15] <Daughain> mgt  No worries. =)
[03:15] <jwill-> Daughain: I've had problems with that.  At the very least all the gnome clutter left over is annoying.
[03:15] <meowkbuntu> yes mtg thanks missed that
[03:15] <jwill-> JCDG: Everything.
[03:15] <meowkbuntu> ^ mgt
[03:16] <jwill-> JCDG: Or maybe just amarok... hmm
[03:16] <Daughain> jwill-,   ATM I'm keeping gnome, incase I decide to go back.
[03:16] <jwill-> JCDG: Yeah, I think that's just amarok.
[03:16] <JCDG> jwill-, uhmm so should we go back to the kmix tab?
[03:16] <jwill-> JCDG: Well, what application is causing that?
[03:16] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: if you know how to use gnome properly or learn how to then its better than kde. and kde3.5 was better than the latest version in kubuntu 9.10
[03:17] <jwill-> JCDG: Oh, the dropdown menu... didn't even see that :D
[03:17] <mgt> What's with this chronic Ubuntu/Kubuntu tension? It's the same distro underneath, just different desktop environments.
[03:17] <meowkbuntu> wish they had just continued with kde3.5 and not revamped it
[03:17] <Daughain> meowkbuntu,  The only issue I had after installig kde was having to rediscover my wifi network. :P
[03:17] <jwill-> JCDG: Yes, yes you should
[03:17] <JCDG> jwill-, uhmm i think the entire sound system cause anything gets muted jejej
[03:17] <meowkbuntu> JCDG: do you have ksound manager installed
[03:17] <jwill-> jejej = spanish text laughter, right?
[03:18]  * Daughain chuckles.
[03:18] <mgt> This is so confusing. Can't we all standardise on lol?
[03:18] <JCDG> jwill-, yeahhh its like hehehe in english :D
[03:18] <meowkbuntu> mgt: lol
[03:18] <meowkbuntu> lol = lots of love < thats true
[03:19] <mgt> Kekeke if you're in South Korea.
[03:19] <JCDG> meowkbuntu, I don't know cause I have just installed the kubuntu desktop 2 days ago...
[03:19] <meowkbuntu> mgt: hohoho if in rthe north pole
[03:20] <JCDG> jwill-, I assing the button but it does not work yet...:(
[03:20] <meowkbuntu> JCDG: then check
[03:20] <jwill-> JCDG: You applied?
[03:21] <meowkbuntu> heieheieheie if you have evil intentions
[03:21] <jwill-> JCDG: KDE settings always need you to press the apply button, whereas gnome ones usually just apply right away
[03:21] <JCDG> meowkbuntu, how do I check?? jwill- in fact, the button is already set, like it should been working fine but it does not
[03:21] <meowkbuntu> JCDG: i cant remember jwill can you help
[03:21] <Daughain> jwill-,   Thats actually one of the things I *like* about kde.=)
[03:22] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: JCDGthere is a terminal command to see if an application is installed or not.
[03:22] <meowkbuntu> jwill-: JCDG there is a terminal command to see if an application is installed or not.
[03:22] <jwill-> meowkbuntu, JCDG: apt-cache show <package name> should do it
[03:22] <meowkbuntu> i just dont remember it
[03:23] <JCDG> with package name being what???
[03:23] <mgt> jwill: That'll search for a program in the repository, not if it's installed or not.
[03:24] <mgt> meowkbuntu: If you want to check whether a package is installed, run "dpkg -l | grep <packagename>" If you get a hit, it means it's installed.
[03:25] <mgt> Right, I'm off. Have fun.
[03:25] <JCDG> which one will be the package name?
[03:26] <meowkbuntu> mgt: jwill-is csound any good
[03:26] <JCDG> jwill-, which one will be the package name?
[03:26] <meowkbuntu> ok gtg now by all
[03:26] <Daughain> Later mgt
[03:27] <jwill-> JCDG: Of what?
[03:28] <JCDG> the apply button does not activate cause, the button set is the same as if it would have been working fine...but it is not..
[03:30] <jwill-> JCDG: Screenshot?
[03:30] <JCDG> ok...
[03:31] <jwill-> Yesterday I spent about half an hour trying to fix something that wasn't borken, and would have spent more time if I hadn't asked for a screenshot D:
[03:31] <JCDG> jwill-, indeed that always happen hehehe...
[03:32] <Daughain> OK, not happy with chrome. wont let me uload an attachment....
[03:33] <jwill-> Daughain: Use firefox, then.
[03:33] <JCDG> jwill-, http://imagebin.ca/view/IL2aDhYu.html
[03:33] <jwill-> Daughain: The more people who use firefox rather than chrome, the better.
[03:34] <jwill-> Okay, click on custom, then press your mute button
[03:34] <jwill-> JCDG: ^
[03:34] <Daughain> jwill-,   Ok, gotta ask why... =)
[03:35] <JCDG> jwill-, I did that but the system recongnize that the new input is the same as the old one, and the apply button does not activate...
[03:35] <jwill-> Oh, I see.
[03:36] <jwill-> So it doesn't mute at all?
[03:36] <JCDG> jwill-, No,not a bit...
[03:36] <jwill-> JCDG: And you installed over gnome?  What distro?
[03:36] <JCDG> I installed kubuntu desktop over ubuntu
[03:38] <JCDG> jwill-, I installed kubuntu desktop over ubuntu
[03:39] <jwill-> JCDG: Oh right, this is the kubuntu channel...
[03:39] <Daughain> lol
[03:39] <jwill-> JCDG: Well, you probably have some gnome volume thing running that's showing that volume thing.
[03:40] <jwill-> JCDG: Actually, what does increasing/decreasing volume look like
[03:40] <jwill-> ?
[03:40] <JCDG> jwill-, hehehe that must be it, but the decreasing and incresing work fine....they look the same as the "100%" bar
[03:41] <jwill-> JCDG: Okay, I hadn't used kmix volume shortcuts before... sorry, that's actually kmix
[03:41] <jwill-> JCDG: I was horribly wrong.  Can you reduce your volume to zero?
[03:42] <Guest55515> hello, when i install kde4.4 beta2, my system crashes, nothing shows up on startup, seems like some gfx card problem to me
[03:43] <JCDG> jwill-, yeahhh and anything sounds...
[03:43] <jwill-> Guest55515: Hello again.
[03:43] <Guest55515> hello :)
[03:43] <jwill-> JCDG: Is there any sound at 0 volume?
[03:44] <Guest55515> is anybody else facing this kinda problem?
[03:44] <JCDG> jwill-, no there's not...
[03:47] <jwill-> JCDG: That's good, right?
[03:48] <jwill-> JCDG: Just means mute is broken.
[03:48] <JCDG> jwill-, yeahh and that's what I wanted to fix :)...
[03:49] <Daughain> Hmmm...
[03:50] <jwill-> Daughain: You fix it.
[03:50] <jwill-> :D
[03:50] <JCDG> Daughain, are you the chosen one???...
[03:51] <Daughain> Errrr......
[03:51] <Daughain> Umm.....
[03:51] <Daughain> Hunh?
[03:51] <Daughain> What ya got, JCDG ?
[03:51] <JCDG> Daughain, I got the mute feature broken...
[03:52] <Daughain> Hardware or soft?
[03:53] <JCDG> Daughain, soft cause it works con gnome, but not in kde...
[03:53] <jwill-> JCDG: Right click on kmix in system tray and select "mute" (in spanish :D)
[03:53] <Daughain> JCDG,  I was asking if you had a physical mute button that wasnt working.
[03:54] <jwill-> Daughain: Yeah
[03:54] <jwill-> JCDG: Does that work?
[03:54] <JCDG> jwill-, no that does not work, in fact every time i push that button a sound bar appears and shows "100%"...
[03:55] <jwill-> JCDG: Hm.
[03:55] <Daughain> Press your mute button, and whe it shows 100% press it again. WHat does it do?
[03:55] <jwill-> kde version?
[03:56] <Daughain> No, the physical button.
[03:56] <jwill-> Daughain: That's not the problem, since he gets the same problem by telling kmix to mute with his mouse
[03:56] <JCDG> doneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[03:57] <Daughain> JCDG,  SO what was the fix?
[03:57] <JCDG> Let me tell you what happend, I did a right click on the system tray sound button and I choose, "selec the master channel"
[03:57] <JCDG> and then I selected Master, it was set to PCM...
[03:58] <jwill-> oooh
[03:58] <jwill-> Cool.
[03:58] <Daughain> Oi....
[03:58] <JCDG> jwill-, so why was it set to PCM? what's PCM in the first place??
[03:59] <jwill-> JCDG: Different audio out.  Some applications use it, some don't.  I don't question linux audio.
[03:59] <jwill-> JCDG: It is enough to drive a man insane.
[04:00]  * Daughain chuckles....
[04:00] <Daughain> Actually, its not that hard, overall.
[04:00] <JCDG> Daughain, uhmmm...I had a lot of problems with pulse audio on the 8.10 and 9.04...
[04:01] <Daughain> JCDG,   So did I, specially as I have an HDMI card on this system. :P
[04:01] <Daughain> Took me a week or so to get it all sorted, icluding tracking down a new dirver for it.
[04:02] <JCDG> jwill-[afk], Daughain why do not U/K/X/buntu use the same sound output???...
[04:03] <Daughain> I've only used ubuntu....
[04:03] <jwill-[afk]> They do, pretty much.
[04:03] <jwill-[afk]> And now I'm really afk
[04:04] <JCDG> what does AFK mean???...
[04:04] <Daughain> But, they all seem to share the same basics in alsa.
[04:04] <Daughain> AFK == Away From Keyboard
[04:04] <JCDG> Daughain, uhmm so what's the difference between PCM and MAster??'
[04:05] <Daughain> Though, kde and gnome seem to vary thier impementation, not the basic audio.
[04:05] <Daughain> Dunno........I set my systems up in ubuntu, *then* add kde packages.
[04:05] <Daughain> I dont actualy install kubuntu.
[04:06] <Daughain> I;ve never seen pcm.
[04:06] <JCDG> Daughain, That's what I did, I installed kubuntu desktop on ubuntu...and I got that problem :s..
[04:06] <Daughain> What do you ean by kubuntu desktop?
[04:07] <Daughain> You instaled kde into ubuntu?
[04:07] <JCDG> yeahhh...
[04:07] <Daughain> Ok.
[04:07] <Daughain> See I havent had any problems at all with my instalation.
[04:08] <JCDG> uhmm in fact this is what i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:08] <Daughain> Oh, I dunno what that is.
[04:08] <Daughain> I manually selected all ter kde packages from synaptics.
[04:08] <Daughain> 306 packages in total.
[04:08] <coreyB> how do i change my cursor in kubuntu 9.10?
[04:09] <Daughain> Look around, coreyB   I remember finding it, but not where right now.
[04:09] <coreyB> found it... LOL
[04:09] <Daughain> :P
[04:09]  * Daughain chuckles.
[04:09] <jwill-[afk]> coreyB: sys settings -> keyboard ->mouse -> mouse themes
[04:10] <Daughain> WB, jwill
[04:10] <coreyB> jwill, thanks :)
[04:10] <jwill> coreyB: Yeah, mouse is in keyboard.  Makes so much sense.
[04:10] <JCDG> Daughain, wasn't it easier to do write "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"???
[04:11] <Daughain> JCDG,   POssibly, but, I didnt run acrss that meta-package. Not too sure I would have used it anyway, but.
[04:11] <JCDG> Daughain, Acrss? what's that?
[04:12] <Daughain> JCDG,   Across. typo.
[04:12] <JCDG> Uhmm ok ok ok....I understood now...
[04:13] <Daughain> JCDG,   Also, I like to have an idea of what I am installing.
[04:14] <Daughain> This spinning cube thing is hilarious.
[04:15] <JCDG> Daughain, yeah that seems a good reason....You mean compiz??' is there something like kompiz in KDE???
[04:15] <Daughain> JCDG,    Compiz installs for kde, yes. I'm running it right now, and coreyB installed it earlier.
[04:16] <Daughain> apt-get install compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[04:16] <JCDG> Daughain, and does it get the system slower???...
[04:17] <Daughain> Nope, I havebt noticed any sloth, nor extra heat from the instal.
[04:17] <Daughain> I'm running 2.0Ghz w/2G ram
[04:17] <Daughain> Err..dual core 2.0Ghz
[04:18] <Daughain> I'm also on a laptop, so I tend to pay more attention to the heat issue.
[04:18] <JCDG> Uhmm ok, I have a 2.0 core 2 duo...and 1.5 GB ram....
[04:18] <Daughain> Switching from windows to ubuntu was worth 40 degrees F.
[04:19] <JCDG> Daughain, why so???
[04:19] <jwill> All this talk of audio problems... now mine doesn't work :S
[04:19] <Daughain> windows is clunky and crappy, runnig too much shit for no reason, basically.
[04:19] <Daughain> jwill,     If it didnt suck so bad, I would laugh.
[04:19] <jwill> Only flash
[04:19] <Daughain> JCDG,   MS has always designed top heavy code.
[04:20] <Daughain> jwill,   Only flash has sound?
[04:20] <jwill> Daughain: Inverse
[04:20] <jwill> Daughain: Only flash doesn't have sound
[04:20] <JCDG> Daughain, Yeah i use it at work and it is just as quick as a lazy turtle
[04:20] <Daughain> jwill,   Girls system is like that, but I also have two sound cards in that system.
[04:20] <jwill> Just going to log out quickly to see if that fixes it
[04:20] <jwill> Since it was working yesterday
[04:20]  * Daughain nods.
[04:21] <Daughain> JCDG,   Yeah, and all that extra proccy power turns into heat, and on a lappy, heat can kill faster than anything else.
[04:22] <Daughain> Any love for ya, jwill ??
[04:22] <jwill> Daughain: That fixed it
[04:22] <Daughain> Cool.
[04:22] <jacob_> how do I access a list of running processes
[04:22] <Daughain> In kde?
[04:22] <Scunizi> I've just done an Akonadi Server Self-Test and have an error in the MySQL server log.. it states " QtSQL driver 'QMYSQL' is required.. I've search the repos and can't find it.. any assistance would be appriciated
[04:22] <jwill> jacob_: Alt + F2 and click on the graph button
[04:22] <JCDG> Daughain, hehehe yeah, in fact I use Xp with the mcafee virscan 8.7i and thats really slower than a lazy turtle
[04:23] <jwill> jacob_: Or type system monitor
[04:23] <Daughain> JCDG,    mcafee is junk. Waste of time money and ram.
[04:23] <jacob_> hmm
[04:23] <jacob_> why is apt-get telling me something else is using dpkg/lock or whatever
[04:23] <Daughain> JCDG,  I've been using Eset on XP systems.
[04:23] <jacob_> but no other package manager is runnin
[04:23] <JCDG> Daughain, you tell me, and sometimes I have to sell it, hehehehe....
[04:23] <Daughain> JCDG,    Eeeewwww...... :P
[04:24] <Daughain> jacob_,   Do you have any hung installs?
[04:24] <JCDG> Daughain, sometimes we're not proud of our ocassional jobs jejeje...
[04:24] <jacob_> i think so
[04:24] <Daughain> JCDG,   Soo true. =)
[04:24] <jacob_> i tried to install GIMP but it stopped halfway through so i closed the terminal
[04:24] <Daughain> jacob_,   Open synaptics and see if you get any errors.
[04:25] <jacob_> i did
[04:25] <Daughain> jacob_,    OK, yeah, try synaptics and see about finishing the install to clear your lock issue up.
[04:25] <tychicus> Does anyone know why OpenOffice Word keeps crashing when I try to open the Bibliography Database?  Thanks
[04:25] <Daughain> tychicus,   You sure it has one?? =)
[04:26] <JCDG> If I'm running a procees like an installation on the terminal and I hit Crtl+c, will it reaaly stop it???
[04:26] <tychicus> yeah, I think so
[04:26] <Daughain> tychicus,   Might wanna check synaptics and make sure the db is installed.
[04:26] <Daughain> JCDG,   Never tried it, so I dunno. I do know that closing term on an install effectively pauses that install.
[04:27] <tychicus> how will I know what I am looking for?
[04:27] <Daughain> You need to go back and finish it, or you wont be able to instal anything else, from any source.
[04:27] <Daughain> tychicus,   Try a search for openoffice and look through the offered packages.
[04:28] <Daughain> tychicus,   Thats about all I can tel ya, since I dont know the package name either.
[04:28] <JCDG> which one is better Dragon player or Totem???
[04:29] <tychicus> Ok daughain I'll give it the ol' college try...thanks
[04:29] <Daughain> JCDG,   Ive used kde for about 25 hours now. I havent tried Dragon.
[04:29] <Daughain> tychicus,   Cool.....Sorry, but I;ve only been using ubuntu for about a month.
[04:29] <tychicus> Me too
[04:30] <Daughain> JCDG,  Thoughm totem doesnt like my setup. I'm using VLC.
[04:30] <JCDG> Daughain, has you ever use another distro?...
[04:30] <JCDG> I use VLC but, I want to delete redundat apps on mi pc...
[04:30] <Daughain> JCDG,   No...Installed 9.04 a month ago, and upgraded to 9.10. Upgrade failed, so did a fresh install last wek.
[04:31] <Daughain> Deating about trying a diff distro for another system, though.
[04:31] <Daughain> Need to see if openBSD will run on my old toshiba.
[04:31] <Daughain> Pent M 1.7Ghz w/ 512M ram.
[04:31] <JCDG> so, I think I'm gonna erase both Totem and dragon...VLC does all the work for them...
[04:31] <Scunizi> I'm trying to connect Kontact to google contacts and calendar.. I'm getting there but Akonadi server reports errors with a missing QtSQL driver "QMYSQL".. I can't find it in the repos.. How do I fix this (9.10 64bit)
[04:32] <Daughain> JCDG,  Make sure VLC does it all for you before you remove totem and dragon.
[04:32] <JCDG> uhmmm, well, well, i think it might, but not sure....why don't you try puppy linux or something like that?
[04:32] <JCDG> is there a sound converter app for KDE???
[04:33] <Daughain> Scunizi, I've been using linux for a month, if I had an answer 'd give it. Ask again when jwill gets back, he may be able to help ya.
[04:33] <JCDG> like the one on gnome?...
[04:33] <Scunizi> Daughain: thanks.. been using for 5 years... but gnome.. I like the new kde 4.3+.. looking to make a change
[04:33] <Daughain> Look through app launcher and see, JCDG ,
[04:33] <jwill_is_afk> Scunizi: Ask on #kde.
[04:34] <Scunizi> jwill_is_afk: k.. thanks
[04:34] <Daughain> Scunizi,   I thin I instaled 4.3.2 last night.
[04:34] <jwill_is_afk> It worked in 4.2, I think
[04:34] <jwill_is_afk> Before akonadi
[04:35]  * jwill_is_afk is watching a movie, not really afk
[04:35] <Scunizi> jwill_is_afk: I'm following this guide for the integration.. http://www.my-guides.net/en/content/view/178/26/
[04:35]  * Daughain as been watching movies all night.:P
[04:35] <Daughain> Japanese zombie flick right now.
[04:37] <jwill_is_afk> Daughain: Any good?
[04:37] <Daughain> JCDG,   Look on kde-look.com, you might find a plasmoid for conversions there.
[04:38] <Daughain> I thi I saw one last night.
[04:38] <jacob_> wow
[04:38] <jacob_> guess what yours truly just found in the freezer
[04:38] <Daughain> jwill,   Quite amusing, yes, long as you dont mnd subtitles.
[04:38] <jacob_> a ms. fields ice cream cookie sandwich with his name on it
[04:38] <jwill> JCDG: You might as well just use the Gnome one.
[04:38] <jwill> Daughain: I prefer subtitles to bad dubbing...
[04:39]  * Daughain nods to jwill 
[04:39] <Daughain> I thin the converters are pretty much the same., just a case of the interface. :P
[04:39] <JCDG> jwill, Daughain ok, Thanks to both, now i have to go to bed....write ya tomorrow...thanks for your help...
[04:39] <Daughain> Nght, JCDG
[04:41] <jwill> Weird.  Ktorrent is taking ~105% cpu in top, but only like 5% in system monitor
[04:42] <jwill> Allocating disk space makes everything else on my computer lag... KTorrent sure is lame sometimes
[04:42] <Daughain> Never got into torrents.
[04:42] <jacob_> hey
[04:42] <Daughain> Shit....
[04:42] <jacob_> how do I get Adobe Flash Player onto KDE?
[04:42] <jacob_> when i download the .deb
[04:42] <jacob_> i get an error tryin to install
[04:42] <jacob_> it says
[04:42] <Daughain> With lots of patience?? =)
[04:42] <jacob_> i386 wrong archiacruetre
[04:43] <Daughain> HUnh????
[04:43] <jwill> Daughain: Nice for downloading distros, since you can upload them.
[04:43] <jwill> jacob_: Running 64 bit linux?
[04:43] <Daughain> jacob_,  You have one of those x64 only cores?
[04:44] <Daughain> 64 bit linux shoud still handle 32bit apps.
[04:44] <Daughain> Though, there was a short run of 64 bit priccessors that wouldnt ru 32 bit at all.
[04:45] <jacob_> no..
[04:45] <jacob_> I'm on a 32bit machine..
[04:45] <jacob_> oh
[04:46] <jacob_> ....
[04:46] <jacob_> .
[04:46] <jacob_> .
[04:46] <FloodBotK1> jacob_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:46] <jacob_> .
[04:46] <jacob_> if you will believe this
[04:46] <Daughain> Lets hear it,
[04:46] <jacob_> i downloaded the Kubuntu on my laptop
[04:46] <jacob_> which is 64-bit
[04:46] <jacob_> so by default
[04:46] <jacob_> I downloaded a 64-bit version of Kubuntu
[04:46] <jacob_> to install it
[04:46] <FloodBotK1> jacob_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:46] <jacob_> on my THIRTY TWO BIT DESKTOP
[04:46] <jacob_> I LOLD
[04:46] <Daughain> LOL
[04:47] <Daughain> That would explain the issues, yes. =)
[04:47] <jwill> :D
[04:47] <Daughain> I do, its called jmirc. :P
[04:49] <Daughain> Ya gonna stay this time, tychicus ?
[04:50]  * Daughain grins.
[04:50] <Daughain> lol
[05:01] <Brhad56> Lately, when I boot up, I get t his error stating I can't load in full graphics mode.  I click through it and select "exit to console" but it exists to the regular login, and i log in and everything is fine.  Any ideas?
[05:03] <Daughain> Sounds like a .conf issue.......Beyond tat I cant help ya.
[05:04] <Daughain> By any chance do you have any duplicates?
[05:04] <Brhad56> duplicate whats
[05:04] <Daughain> .conf files.
[05:05] <Brhad56> which .conf files are you refering too.
[05:05] <Daughain> I *think* graphics are in xorg.conf
[05:06] <Brhad56> i dunno
[05:06] <Daughain> /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[05:07] <Daughain> If there is more than one, that could be your problrem.
[05:08] <Brhad56> just one.. ..also got a xorg.conf.dist-upgrade-200910302227 and xorg.conf.failsafe dated 2009-12-01, which is before this started happening
[05:08] <Daughain> Other then that I dont have any other ideas.
[05:08] <Daughain> OK, compare the xorg.conf to the xorgconf.failsafe, and edit the xorg.conf to match.
[05:09] <Daughain> Or, hopefully you understand the files well enough to see what happened, which would be even better.
[05:10] <Brhad56> doesn't mean anything to me. Here's the output if you want to take a shot.   http://paste.ubuntu.com/352141/
[05:10] <Daughain> Which file is that?
[05:11] <Brhad56> diff xorg.conf xorg.conf.failsafe
[05:11] <Brhad56> That mean nvideo driver was removed?
[05:12] <Daughain> Ghats the failsafe one?
[05:13] <Brhad56> its the diff between the two.  I guess it means  actually that thats extra stuff in the one that is not failsafe.  which i guess makes since.  no nvidea in failsafe
[05:14] <Daughain> Whic file did that come from?
[05:14] <Brhad56> from xorg.conf
[05:15] <Daughain> OK, thats what I thought.....Try running this from term;   dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:17] <Brhad56> I might try that later.  I was hoping it was a new bug that others were experiancing.  Thanks.
[05:17] <Daughain> I havent heard anything about that one, but that dont mean much, try #ubuntu.
[05:35]  * PeaDippin installed kubuntu yesterday :)
[05:43] <coreyB> oo, is there a widget to monitor my cpu tempatures? or my nvidia card tempatures?
[05:44] <Daughain> All kinds, be more specific. =)
[05:45] <coreyB> i just want a widget to specify my tempature in celcius
[05:45] <Daughain> kde-look.com
[05:45] <coreyB> iv'e been looking there i cant find ANY :((
[05:45] <Daughain> Or,   apt-get ksensors
[05:46] <Daughain> kde verion of lmsensors.
[05:46] <Daughain> I found a shitload last night, just only found one that fit what IU was kooking for,
[05:46] <Daughain> And, it didnt work.
[05:50] <coreyB> hmm
[05:50] <Daughain> Install superkaramba, thn runb it.
[05:50] <coreyB> ksensors has to be lieing, 40c for my proccessor? yeah no.
[05:50] <Daughain> right clck on the tray icon and add new stuff.
[05:51] <Daughain> First thing in the ist is a monitor for y.
[05:51] <Daughain> 40C IS ABOUT 100ISH f.
[05:51] <Daughain> Sounda about right.
[05:51] <coreyB> not really
[05:51] <coreyB> mine usually idle's around 50-60c
[05:52] <coreyB> and never gets past 62 c
[05:52] <Daughain> ksensors shows mine to be right about average for its uirrent setup.
[05:52] <Daughain> Instal superkaramba dn take a look at your options.
[05:53] <jwill> coreyB: Mine's at 45C
[05:53] <jwill> :D
[05:54] <Daughain> I keep track in F, but mine's about 105 idle.
[05:55] <coreyB> hmm
[05:55] <coreyB> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Yasp-Scripted+(Systemmonitor)+v0.99?content=109367
[05:55] <coreyB> can you help me install that?
[05:55] <FloodBotK1> coreyB: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:55] <coreyB> woopsies, thats a good idea ^
[05:56] <Daughain> lemme load it.
[05:56] <Daughain> I hate white.
[05:56] <coreyB> lol
[05:56] <Daughain> coreyB,  All three screens in front of me have black background
[05:57] <coreyB> oo ouch
[05:57] <Daughain> And eberything else, just about.
[05:57] <Daughain> My themes are black on black on black.
[05:57] <Daughain> I *really* hate whuite. =)
[05:58] <coreyB> darkdelusions,  any idea?
[05:58] <Daughain> ?????
[05:59] <coreyB> hmm
[05:59] <coreyB> Daughain,  http://pastebin.com/m5ebded2f
[05:59] <coreyB> on how to install that
[06:00] <Daughain> Compile it yourself frpm the looks of it.
[06:00] <coreyB> :(
[06:00] <darkdelusions> Wait what? :)
[06:00] <PeaDippin> fuck it
[06:00] <Daughain> Lemme check pastebin.
[06:00] <Daughain> lol
[06:00] <PeaDippin> Ima install xpde
[06:00] <PeaDippin> err
[06:00] <PeaDippin> xfce**
[06:00] <FloodBotK1> PeaDippin: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:00] <PeaDippin> xD
[06:00] <PeaDippin> oh
[06:00] <coreyB> ha
[06:03] <PeaDippin> sry about that, thought I was on different channel. **sobs**
[06:05] <Daughain> coreyB,  Lemme look at the dl. I still say just install superkaramba. One hell of a lot easier. :P
[06:07] <coreyB> Daughain,  well that seems more integrated on the desktop (the link i posted)
[06:09] <coreyB> Daughain,  how about conky?
[06:10] <Daughain> Ya, need to create a folder and d a few more steps....
[06:10] <Daughain> I dont know what a conky is
[06:12] <jwill> They grow on trees.
[06:12] <Daughain> And, the install dirs arent that clear either.
[06:12] <Daughain> jwill,   So does everything else. =)
[06:12] <Daughain> jwill, , I give the guy an easy way to do things, so, he completely ignores me.....OI!!!!
[06:12] <jwill> Daughain: http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty/gardner/diseases/Phellinus%20conk%20on%20koa/phellinus%20conk%204.JPG
[06:13] <Daughain> woohoo!!! Infectuous dieseases...Just what I wanna read about. =)
[06:14] <Daughain> That looks like a mushroom.
[06:14] <jwill> Daughain: Which guy?
[06:14] <coreyB> Daughain,  i don't like the look of it
[06:14] <Daughain> jwill,  coreyB , who else. =)
[06:14] <jwill> Daughain: It's a fungus.
[06:14] <stroppytux> does anyone know if there is a channel for automake help?
[06:14] <Daughain> coreyB,   Look of what?
[06:14] <Daughain> jwill,  So it *is* a mushroom.:P
[06:14] <coreyB> of those programs >.>
[06:14] <jwill> #automake ?
[06:15] <coreyB> ksensor and them other ones
[06:15] <stroppytux> sry, autoconf
[06:15] <Daughain> ksensor is almost native. Did you look at the karamba themes at all?
[06:17] <Daughain> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/monitorek?content=117862
[06:17] <coreyB> oo
[06:17] <coreyB> finally found a good one
[06:17] <Daughain> ????
[06:20] <coreyB> thanks Daughain
[06:20] <Daughain> coreyB,  Which one?
[06:20] <coreyB> karamba
[06:20] <coreyB> and the theme called 'easy monitor'
[06:20]  * Daughain chuckles...
[06:29] <Daughain> Ok, this is interesting...
[06:33] <jwill> So plasma, ktorrent, and amarok decided to hang at the same time
[06:33] <jwill> And vlc isn't being killed by a KILL signal
[06:34] <jwill> Nevermind, plasma is just waiting ~60 to do anything you tell it to.  Move right one desktop, and a minute later, it does.
[06:34] <jwill> Weird.
[06:41] <jwill-> rebooting appears to have fixed it
[06:41] <Daughain> Just like my phone....
[06:51] <prasanth> hey
[06:51] <prasanth> Hey
[06:51] <prasanth> Hey
[06:51] <prasanth> Hey
[06:51] <FloodBotK1> prasanth: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:45] <azul> list ?
[07:46] <Daughain> list what?
[07:46] <azul> how do I list the channels again? its been a while :P
[07:47] <Daughain> Depends on the client. :P
[07:48] <Daughain> Usualy there is a drop down menu with the option......If you are using a gui.
[07:48] <azul> I hear ya on that
[07:49] <azul> ins't there a way to type the command to the server?
[07:49] <Daughain> Command line is '/list'
[07:49] <azul> but that'll list everything
[07:49] <Daughain> That it does.
[07:49] <azul> that takes too long, how do you narrow?
[07:49] <Daughain> list <partofname>* prolly.
[07:51] <Daughain> No clue, that often depends on the servers own commands.
[07:51] <azul> I used to be able to do it, haha, I forget how, its been a while, I just donwloaded this client and got in here
[07:51] <azul> anyone ever talk in this channel?
[07:51] <azul> lots of peeps
[07:52] <Daughain> Yup....When they are awake.
[07:52] <Daughain> But, this is also mostly a help channel.
[07:52] <azul> ahhh, that makes sense
[07:53] <azul> whats a good way to install a .tar.gz file?
[07:54] <Daughain> I usually just extract and look at the install file, personally. =)  Deoends on what the tar is compressing.
[07:54] <darkdelusions> same
[07:54] <darkdelusions> Untar it then ./install
[07:54] <darkdelusions> unless you have to compile it
[07:55] <Daughain> The reason I check instal files. =)
[07:55] <Daughain> nICE TO SEE YA BACK, DD.
[07:55] <Daughain> Damit.
[07:55] <azul> cool cool, I had this other question, I go a separate hardrive, I've used it in windows, so I gues the filesystem is fat, so can I still save stuff on to it from Linux?
[07:55] <Daughain> Ya.
[07:55] <darkdelusions> I turely hate windows :) trying to fix my friends wifi on his computer and its making me beat my head agiasnt the wall
[07:55] <azul> sweeeeet
[07:55] <Daughain> You may need to edit the conf file.
[07:56] <azul> dude, I've been getting into this linux thing more and more too
[07:56] <Daughain> darkdelusions,   Fixing anything on windows is enough to make me do that. =)
[07:56] <azul> its pretty relaxing
[07:56]  * Daughain chuckles.
[07:57] <darkdelusions> Holy baby raptor jesus I am gonna throw his computer out the window
[07:58] <Daughain> I cut my teeth on unix, so, linux is llike old-home-week.  =)
[07:58] <Daughain> darkdelusions,   Whats going on with it?
[07:59] <darkdelusions> The Connect to a wireless network is says there are network available
[07:59] <Daughain> And, what kind of computer is it?
[07:59] <darkdelusions> then you pull it up and its blank
[07:59] <darkdelusions> Daughain: Home Grown :)
[07:59] <Daughain> darkdelusions,   What mobo?
[07:59] <darkdelusions> Biostar
[08:00] <darkdelusions> using a wireless USB nic (dont ask)
[08:00] <Daughain> darkdelusions,   Oooh.......He do a reinstall of the OS lately?
[08:00] <darkdelusions> nope
[08:00] <Daughain> Hmmm....
[08:00] <Daughain> Usually that kind of shit is a lost driver....
[08:00] <darkdelusions> Daughain:  I installed the driver
[08:01] <darkdelusions> from linksys site
[08:01]  * Daughain nods.....
[08:01] <darkdelusions> and it still being shortbus special
[08:01] <Daughain> Vista?
[08:01] <darkdelusions> XP
[08:01] <Daughain> Hmmmm.....Xp is usually freindlier...
[08:01] <darkdelusions> I was gonna connect it to the network and force a windows update down it thoart
[08:02] <darkdelusions> but i can't get the linksys wireless manager to work now
[08:02] <Daughain> A windows update may be whats wrong with it. =)
[08:03] <Daughain> So, good driver, and it *does* detect a wireless network....
[08:04] <Daughain> Trying to remember how to do this shit in windows. =)
[08:04] <Daughain> is it the wireless manager thats detecting the network?
[08:05] <Daughain> Or windows that detects it?
[08:06] <darkdelusions> sec
[08:13] <darkdelusions> brb
[08:13] <darkdelusions> reouter reboot
[08:13] <Daughain> k
[08:25] <Daughain> Find any love yet, darkdelusions ?
[08:29] <darkdelusions> nope
[08:29] <darkdelusions> he is rolling backing SP3 now
[08:31] <Daughain> You said something was detecting the wlan.....Was it windows, or liksys that detect it?
[08:33] <darkdelusions> Daughain: The windows balloon will pop up and be like we have detected wireless networks
[08:33] <darkdelusions> but you open the connection manager and its blank
[08:33] <darkdelusions> saying there is no wireless in range
[08:34] <Daughain> Cant you search from there again?
[08:34] <darkdelusions> I did
[08:34] <darkdelusions> it still comes up blank
[08:34] <darkdelusions> You know i may have to tweak my laptop to run right on linux :) but atleast i can fix stuff easly :)
[08:35] <darkdelusions> I am outta touch with my inner windows tech :)
[08:35]  * Daughain chuckles.....
[08:36] <Daughain> I've only bee away from windows for a couple of weeks, but I cant remember shit either.
[08:39] <Daughain> Or, at least nothig helpful here.....linksys isnt working?
[08:39] <darkdelusions> No
[08:39] <darkdelusions> We are going the "Windows update Screwed me over approach"
[08:39] <Daughain> As in not opening, or not detecting?
[08:40] <darkdelusions> Rofl well now it detects it but wont connect now
[08:40] <darkdelusions> Meh
[08:40] <darkdelusions> I am gonna play with it a bit
[08:40] <Daughain> So, everything saysd there's a wlan, but nothing wants to connect....
[08:40] <darkdelusions> after we pull SP3 off
[08:40]  * Daughain chuckles./
[08:41] <darkdelusions> hugs his laptop
[08:41] <Daughain> I say backup the data, and shove a fresh install on.
[08:41] <darkdelusions> I am pushing him towards that
[08:41] <Daughain> The usual solution for windows fkups.
[08:41] <Daughain> Since time immemorial.
[08:42] <darkdelusions> I wish everyone took my approach
[08:42] <Daughain> Which is?
[08:42] <darkdelusions> put a 10 gig partition (or so) install the OS on it then put everything else on a secondary partition
[08:42] <jussi01> !windows
[08:43] <Daughain> AMusingly, thats exactly how I do it, darkdelusions
[08:43] <Daughain> Though, I usually have a spare hd for desktops, so, use that for OS install.
[08:43] <darkdelusions> thats how my laptop is parted out :) nothing like loosing your home directory and that 1 file that you needed
[08:44]  * Daughain nods.
[08:44] <darkdelusions> Ever since i started using linux I have been doing that and carry it over into other OS installs
[08:45] <Daughain> Actually, not keeping anything on this laptop, so, dont have this drive parted, but.
[08:45] <Daughain> Hell, I started doing that back in win95 days, since we had to reinstall so often.
[08:45] <jussi01> darkdelusions: Daughain, this channel is specifically for kubuntu support, so if you would, please use ##windows or #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:46] <Daughain> :P
[09:06] <nizua> hello
[09:06] <Daughain> Morning.
[09:06] <darkdelusions> Beer!
[09:06] <darkdelusions> I mean morning
[09:06] <Daughain> lol
[09:06] <Daughain> Not beer, whiskey!!
[09:07] <nizua> so I was trying to upgrade from jaunty to karmic. I ran apt-get upgrade first
[09:07] <nizua> beer here :D
[09:07] <nizua> and after a reboot the wireless networking stopped working
[09:07] <nizua> anyway, I downloaded the alternate cd... which still seems to want to connect to the internet
[09:08] <Daughain> nizua,  I hate to say it, but just do a livecd install of karmic. Upgrades dont work to well.
[09:08] <Daughain> Quicker and easer
[09:08] <nizua> ah okay
[09:08] <darkdelusions> I was about to say the same
[09:08] <Daughain> I havent heard of anyone who had an upr=grade work.
[09:08] <lukefeil> dont forget your backup^^
[09:08] <darkdelusions> I never do an upgrade i just normally wipe my os partition
[09:08] <darkdelusions> and reinstall
[09:09] <Daughain> I tried the upgrade, it failed. =)
[09:09] <nizua> hehe
[09:09] <darkdelusions> I have it kinda work with quirks does that count?
[09:09] <Daughain> Depends on what the quirks are. =)
[09:09] <Daughain> MIne worked, it was just missing folders.
[09:09] <Daughain> And other strange parts of the desktop.
[09:10] <darkdelusions> nizua: i highly reccomend paritition you drive so you give ubuntu like 10 - 15 gigs of space then mount your /home on another partition it makes upgrading alot ezer and you dont lose the stuff in your /home
[09:11] <lomtik> прива всем
[09:11] <darkdelusions> Daughain: Funny how that conversation came full circle :)
[09:11] <lukefeil> !ru
[09:11] <Daughain> If you have room, I like to use a 20G drive for OS and dup /home and storage on the secondary.
[09:11] <Daughain> darkdelusions,  I was kinda thinking the same. =)
[09:12] <nizua> okay, thank you :D
[09:18] <Daughain> OK, how do I limit plasmoids to individual desktops?
[09:40] <Dekans> I'd like to have the inbox folder open on kmail startup
[09:40] <Dekans> can we configure it ?
[09:58] <Derath-Srvr> ANyone still awake?
[09:58] <Daughain> Yes.
[09:58] <Daughain> Wassup?
[09:59] <Derath-Srvr> Ah cool, so I've got kubuntu 9.10 installed again, and I was wondering, is there anything like Ubuntu Software Center for kubuntu? (i.e. actually lists out packages available instead of just searching)
[09:59] <Derath-Srvr> (considering my last install was ubuntu with kde-desktop installed)
[10:00] <Daughain> Ummmm........Lemme check.. =)
[10:00] <Derath-Srvr> Really need something a little easier to browse... :)
[10:01] <Daughain> App launcher/applications/settings.
[10:01] <Daughain> Oh, wait........Maybe..
[10:01] <Daughain> I'm not using kubuntu.
[10:02] <Daughain> bUT ONCE IT FINISHES, CHECK THAT LOCATION AND SEARCH DOWN THE LIST.
[10:02] <Daughain> I realy hate caps lock.
[10:02] <Derath-Srvr> no applications menu
[10:02] <Daughain> Ummm........bottom right corner, a little funky whote arrow in a blue circle?
[10:03] <Daughain> Err...Botttom left.
[10:03] <Daughain> Sorry.
[10:03] <Derath-Srvr> Um... the k inside the gear?
[10:03] <Daughain> Kickoff Application Launcher
[10:03] <Derath-Srvr> right, inside that is not a applications submenu
[10:04] <Derath-Srvr> brb
[10:04] <Daughain> Mine lists favories, applications, compuet, etc
[10:04] <Daughain> Acros the bottom.
[10:07] <Derath-Srvr> I switched to classic menu...
[10:08] <Derath-Srvr> but I'm also not seeing the add/remove or software center...
[10:08] <Daughain> Ummmmm.....Dunno what that is either.
[10:09] <fujimitsu> Derath-Srvr: youre gonna have to settle for kpackagekit; add/remove apps is a gnome desktop thing
[10:09] <Derath-Srvr> sigh, was afraid of that, thanks guys
[10:10] <Daughain> More and more I am thiking I am happier doing this the way I did. =)
[10:10] <fujimitsu> its not so bad once you get the hang of it
[10:10] <Daughain> Mebbe, but I have access to all the toys I liked in gnome from kde.
[10:11] <Daughain> fujimitsu,  Do you know how to limit plasmoids to a single workspace?
[10:11] <Derath-Srvr> True, but I had issues with the gnome install... or maybe that was just the upgrade from 9.04
[10:12] <Daughain> It was the upgrade, Derath-Srvr , a fresh install of karmic works great, the upgrade from Jaunty seems to fail each time.
[10:12] <Daughain> And each fail is different, it seems.
[10:12] <Derath-Srvr> Funny thing is, it workedd great, except for one thing.... sound
[10:12] <Daughain> lol
[10:13] <Daughain> Kinda my point. =)
[10:13] <Daughain> Always one ittle thing that fails. After I upgraded, my sound was fine, but my browser was loading slower than a slug.
[10:13] <Derath-Srvr> something about pulse and alsa, used ricotz's ppa and got it fixed, but made the stupid mistake of not freezing the version installed, so his next update broke it all again
[10:14] <Daughain> When I did a fresh install of karmic, I had no sound issues. Everything worked OOB.
[10:14] <Daughain> Jaunty caused me a week of searching to get my sound wporking.
[10:14] <Derath-Srvr> Yeah, doing that now, tried just installing kubuntu without blowing out the /home, but that failed too, some config issue
[10:15] <Derath-Srvr> So, I blew it all out and starting fresh (aside from a 120g external drive and a dvd of data to bring back in)
[10:15]  * Daughain grins...
[10:16] <Derath-Srvr> sigh, so many mp3's and photos off my camera... and let's not mention all the vms
[10:16] <Daughain> Yeah, I backed up about 130G, and finished my instal, then got irritated about something, and decided to reinstall, and for some reason, when I copied my data back the first time, it moved it instead, so, when I reinstalled, I lost all my backups. Quite irritating.
[10:16] <Daughain> Thats the reason for 1T on LAN.
[10:17] <Daughain> Which is gona be next weeks project.
[10:17] <Daughain> Or mebbe the week after, depending on the mail.
[10:17] <Derath-Srvr> lol give me some money, and I'll match that in my house as well
[10:18] <Daughain> What money?? This is bare bones off of ebay. Bought one piece here, another there, got lucky on a used 1T drive.
[10:18] <Derath-Srvr> 10 more minutes until copy back is done...
[10:19] <Daughain> And, now hoping that my router will support the 1T I intend t put in it./
[10:19]  * Daughain chuckles..
[10:19] <Derath-Srvr> provided it doesn't fail again (hoping I didn't corrupt any)
[10:19] <Daughain> You using the livecd?
[10:20] <Daughain> brb, coffee run.,
[10:21] <Derath-Srvr> Was, used the 120g external to save the mp3's, videos, VMs, etc, and it's been picky about vibration... if I jar this table too hard, the drive disappears and I have to remount and start all over again (using autoskip all and write into all)
[10:24] <Daughain> Get a new cable? =)
[10:24] <Daughain> Or, [pull apart the external and take a look at the mounting.
[10:24] <jhunold> and use rsync to copy the data.
[10:25] <Derath-Srvr> it's a usb kit for satas..., I'm on a laptop on top of a "tv-dinner table"
[10:25] <Daughain> Ok, does *anyone*  know how the hell to limit plasmoids to asingle workspace/
[10:25] <Derath-Srvr> system76 laptop actually
[10:25] <Derath-Srvr> Which plasmoid?
[10:26] <Daughain> Derath-Srvr,  I remember those days.....Changed out a clutch master cyl in trade for my desk.
[10:26] <Daughain> Any/all plasmoids.
[10:26] <Daughain> Ineed the pastbin plasmoid on one worspace, the term [plasmoid on another, etc.
[10:27] <Derath-Srvr> Looking, I think in each preference you might be able to do that
[10:27] <Daughain> Ok where is the preference?
[10:27] <Daughain> I been looking for over an hour now.=(
[10:28] <Daughain> Found it hours ago when I didnt need it, and cant find it now that I do. =)
[10:28] <Kolia> Daughain: separate activity for each desktop
[10:29] <Kolia> this is how to have different plasmoids on different "desktops/workspaces/activity"
[10:30] <Daughain> Kolia,   I been using kde for about 36 hours, a  bit more in depth would help. How do I set these things up/where do I find the settings to do so??
[10:30] <Kolia> Daughain: cilck the plasma toolbox (the little yellow thing)
[10:30] <Kolia> then zoom-out
[10:30] <Kolia> configure plasma.. in the menu
[10:30] <Kolia> check "separate activity for each desktop"
[10:31] <Kolia> (translating from french, so wording might differ a bit)
[10:31] <Daughain> No worries, I got it now. =)  Thanks.
[10:32] <Daughain> OK, that did something strange. =)
[10:32] <darkdelusions> Well I fixed my openGL issue
[10:32] <Kolia> well activities at this state are strangely arranged :) it gets better in kde4.4
[10:32] <Daughain> darkdelusions,   Cool.....Still workig on my plasmoid problem.
[10:33] <Daughain> It popped a bunch of blue boxes up, Kolia
[10:33] <Daughain> My wallpaper disappeared too.
[10:33] <darkdelusions> isnt there a kwin desktop affect where you can hover your mouse over the Item in the task bar and it pops up a window as a preview kinda like Windows 7 does
[10:33] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, well, it's 5:30am, and my copies have finished, i'll have to finish package install later, thanks for the help!
[10:33] <Kolia> Daughain: after you zoomed out?
[10:33] <Daughain> Yea, there is.
[10:34] <Kolia> darkdelusions: here it does by default
[10:34] <Daughain> Kolia,  Yes, after I zoomed out, now three of my workspaces are like that, only this one hasnt canged.....I dont think.
[10:35] <Kolia> well i guess the 3 other are set to default
[10:35] <Daughain> OK, when I close xchat, this one also looks that way. bg is black/grey check, I have four smal blue boxes, and one smal box with my wallpaper in each workspace.
[10:35] <darkdelusions> Kolia:  it works now I am just odd
[10:35] <darkdelusions> :)
[10:35] <darkdelusions> and getting tired and cant think
[10:35] <Daughain> OK, lemme tinker with it and see what hapens. Thanks, Kolia
[10:35] <Daughain> darkdelusions,   Go friggin sleep then.=)
[10:38] <darkdelusions> Daughain: but but I had my opengl issue which i am blaming on you
[10:38] <darkdelusions> why
[10:38]  * Daughain shrugs.
[10:38] <darkdelusions> cause you made me play with it
[10:38] <Daughain> I'm not, so I cant say much either.=)
[10:38] <Daughain> Kolia,  How do I zoom in?
[10:45] <Daughain> Kolia,   How do I get these windows to mount back on the workspaces?
[10:46] <Daughain> NM, Think I gt it now./
[10:48] <darkdelusions> rofl
[10:48] <darkdelusions> I just realized they remade the fuzzy clock widget
[10:48] <darkdelusions> :)
[10:48] <Daughain> Well, it isnt exactly intuitive. =)
[10:48] <Daughain> lol, yeah, they did.
[10:48] <Daughain> OK, lemme see if I got this working. =)
[10:48] <darkdelusions> I <3 the fuzzy clock
[10:50] <Kolia> Daughain: sorry was busy
[10:53] <Daughain> Kolia,  No worries, I got it figured out. =)
[10:55] <Daughain> Much better. Thanks again, Kolia
[10:58] <Xepera> what package has replaced kcontrol?
[11:09] <Kolia> Daughain: np
[11:10] <Adys> Did behaviour with moving maximized windows change in 10.04? now they're getting automatically resized, its extremely annoying as a dual-screen user
[11:14] <cappadocia> l;j
[11:22] <Laeborg-school> How can I get around port blocking at my school?
[11:23] <Daughain> lol
[11:23] <Daughain> Depends on hiw it is done. :P Try scanning acros the port range you are looking to use.
[11:30] <Laeborg-school> Daughain: only port 80 and 443 is open
[11:39] <Daughain> Then, good luck? =)
[11:40] <Daughain> Unless you have access to root and can edit the port restrictions.
[11:42] <Laeborg-school> I usign my own laptop, on the schools wifi, so its a firewall there is blocking
[11:49] <Daughain> Laeborg,  Ayup, that I figured. Hardware firewall?? What OS?? not enough data to give oyu any answers, and I'm not a hacker anyway. This is a help channel for kubuntu, kde and ubuntu.
[11:50] <Daughain> As in install and implement help.
[11:59] <mohsen> salam
[12:04] <soee> hi
[12:08] <root> 2222222222222222222222
[12:48] <Xeross> Hey, my usb stick is automounted as root how can I change it, I get access denied on sudo chown
[12:52] <Xeross> Anyone ?
[13:03] <paulsomebody> I want to edit my GRUB 2 settings to make it boot default system instantly, unless certain key is pressed. How do I do that?
[13:16] <kavurt> paulsomebody: if you want to boot something instantly, you won't have an option to press another key.
[13:18] <paulsomebody_> Anyone alive is present here?
[13:19] <kavurt> paulsomebody: /etc/default/grub
[13:20] <kavurt> modify this file
[13:20] <kavurt> change the value of GRUB_TIMEOUT="10"
[13:20] <kavurt> 10 means 10 secs
[13:22] <paulsomebody> kavurt: Are you sure I should do that despite the fact that manual editing is not recommended by this manual? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[13:22] <paulsomebody> kavurt: I have GRUB2.
[13:23] <paulsomebody> kavurt: Or I should just edit and then run 'sudo grub-update'?
[13:24] <kavurt> The main menu file, /boot/grub/grub.cfg, is not meant to be edited, even by 'root'
[13:24] <kavurt> I don't see anything else
[13:25] <kavurt> so it doesn't say that you shouldn't edit /etc/default/grub
[13:25] <paulsomebody> kavurt: 'The primary configuration file for changing menu display settings is /etc/default/grub. ' Got it.
[13:26] <paulsomebody> kavurt: Should I run 'update-grub' then?
[13:26] <kavurt> no
[13:26] <Evot> I have changed my grub_timeout to be 3 and then sudo update-grub. So i get 3 contdown in grub and then kubuntu starts.
[13:26] <Evot> 3 seconds countdown
[13:27] <Evot> Thats all i know :D
[13:27] <paulsomebody> Evot: Okay. As far as I understood, if I set zero, then default entry would be booted unless I press 'Shift'?
[13:28] <kavurt> paulsomebody: sorry, you should update-grub
[13:28] <paulsomebody> paulsomebody: After O do the editing?
[13:28] <paulsomebody> After I did editing?
[13:29] <kavurt> yes
[13:29] <Evot> Haven't done that. It's also possible that 0 gives you no change to do anything. Maby you could try it... ???
[13:30] <Evot> And editing must be done with root (sudo)
[13:30] <paulsomebody> kavurt: Maybe I should just set 'GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET' to 'no'? Instead of modifying time value?
[13:32] <Evot> I have said all i know, so i'll go to eat something :)
[13:34] <kavurt> try, you won't lose anything anyway
[13:34] <paulsomebody> Thanks you, I'll try.
[13:45] <pinkisntwell> i just have my sound stop working
[13:45] <pinkisntwell> apart from the volume that goes down by itself, is there any other problems right now with the sound?
[13:52] <eNRGy> Hey all, what's the kubuntu equivalent to Ubuntu's /usr/bin/software-center please?
[13:52] <eNRGy> I seem to have lost it from my menu
[13:55] <fujimitsu> eNRGy: there isnt
[13:59] <devilsadvocate> eNRGy, what does it do?
[14:02] <mauri>  is there a way to konw from which repository came a determinate package.....I ask you this because sometime a package can be present in more that one repository (i.e. amsn daily)
[14:04] <memenode> would be nice if it actually said why when it so elegantly says the sound doesn't work
[14:08] <eNRGy> The software add/remove programs thingiy
[14:08] <eNRGy> The really basic one that;s on the Applications menu in Ubuntu
[14:09] <eNRGy> It's called "Ubuntu Software Center" in ubuntu
[14:13] <eNRGy> Can someone look at their menu and tell me the command line for the add/remove programs icon?
[14:13] <eNRGy> Or whatever it's called
[14:13] <TheKro> eNRGy: adept
[14:15] <eNRGy> OK that's odd, I don't have that installed at all, gotta apt-get it.. I thought I'd just lost the menu item!
[14:15] <eNRGy> TheKro: Thanks.
[14:15] <TheKro> eNRGy: np
[14:22] <padi999> Hi, how can I synchronize google-calendar with kontact in karmic? I only find dubious sources. And I wonder why no one else seems to ask for that kind of feature...
[14:27] <padi999> There is simply nothing from the akonandi fromt
[14:27] <padi999> front
[14:27] <padi999> what are you guys doing?
[14:34] <deltaray> How do I move widgets around within a panel?
[14:34] <padi999> sleepy chan
[14:35] <Kolia> deltaray: click the plasma toolbox (the yellow thing)
[14:35] <Kolia> then you can move the widgets inside the panel
[14:36] <mrwoody> hi *. Ctrl+v (to paste) doesn't always work, it would work if I restart klipper. I have the same problem on two different machines... does anyone know why?
[14:38] <memenode> great error without a text on something that always worked before.. any more puzzles to solve?
[14:38] <memenode> I just "solved" sound.. I guess I'm up next..
[14:39] <memenode> this freaking OS is a god damn puzzle fest that's playing with your nerves
[14:58]  * BluesKaj finishes the coffee
[14:59]  * petsounds finishes the dinner
[15:16] <manas> hey all
[15:16] <manas> ive just installed kubuntu for the first time
[15:16] <manas> this is my first linux
[15:16] <manas> i tried  changing the theme
[15:16] <manas> but it doesnt
[15:17] <manas> i installed a theme that i liked , now how do i apply it
[15:17] <manas> ??
[15:17] <deltaray> Kolia, thank you. That is not so obvious.
[15:17] <Kolia> deltaray: no problem. once you know it, no more problem ;)
[15:17] <deltaray> Kolia, that also allowed me to do something else I wanted, which was adjust the task manager settings, which can't be changed without closing most windows.
[15:17] <Kolia> deltaray: the plasma toolbox allow you to enter the "edition mode" of the panel
[15:17] <Kolia> deltaray: yep exactly
[15:19] <deltaray> Kolia, Well of course once you know it. But isn't the point of a GUI to make things more obvious.  I am a vi user and I appreciate that learning a tool can lead to greater productivity/enjoyment, but with the case of KDE, I think some things should be more obvious.
[15:19] <deltaray> No doubt everyone has their opinions on this though
[15:19] <Kolia> deltaray: maybe because it's different of what you knew so far?
[15:20] <deltaray> Well, I've been using Gnome for the past 5 or so years. Before that I tried a bunch of different ones. I'm no stranger to desktops or learning new things.  I guess I just expected KDE to be more friendly.
[15:21] <deltaray> Like right now I have some screwed up widget on my desktop and I'm not sure what it is or how to remove it. its like a bunch of icons overlapping each other.
[15:25] <Kolia> deltaray: my point was that when you're used to several systems working quite the same, anything different becomes counter-intuitive and needs a learning period. But I agree that we can make this learning period shorter or longer according to design choice :)
[15:25] <deltaray> Here is what the messed up widgets looks like: http://imagebin.ca/view/PB04r5.html
[15:27] <krion> hi
[15:28] <krion> some fellas with a 9.10 and dia installed ? i cannot insert text...
[15:28] <krion> if someone can confirm it's not working
[15:39] <m4rtijn> hi all
[15:40] <krion> i was just using the wrong stuff...
[15:40] <krion> too tired
[15:40] <obladda> nathanielk: Did you work at HMSY?
[15:40] <m4rtijn> I somehow wrecked my "task bar" .. now I somehow regained it but printer spool, printer status etc. is missing
[15:40] <m4rtijn> could somebody help me to get this back?
[15:41] <nathanielk> obladda: nope.
[15:41] <obladda> nathanielk: Thought you were someone else
[15:41] <mgt_> m4rtijn: Click the "peanut" on the right side of the taskbar, and add the plasmoids you want back.
[15:41] <nathanielk> obladda: :)
[15:42] <m4rtijn> is that a miniprogram which I have to look for?
[15:42] <mgt_> m4rtjin: No, they're widgets.
[15:42] <m4rtijn> mgt_: ?
[15:43] <m4rtijn> if I click the peanut.. I only have an option called: add miniprogram
[15:43] <mgt_> m4rtijn: Go for it.
[15:44] <m4rtijn> mgt_: but theres nothing which has something to do with printers there
[15:45] <lovre> hi all
[15:45] <mgt_> Hmm...
[15:45] <lovre> i have upgraded kubuntu, and i dont have amarok anymore,,, why is that*?
[15:46] <mgt_> lovre: Why don't you just reinstall it?
[15:46] <lovre> mgt_: because i dont know what happened, i dont want to install it twice
[15:46] <mgt_> lovre: You can't install it twice. If it's already installed, dpkg will just skip it.
[15:46] <u19809> why doesn't my konqueror no longer refreshes its folder content automatically ?
[15:48] <lovre> mgt_: i CANT install it, i get this error: http://pastie.org/768900
[15:48] <mgt_> lovre: How did you upgrade? Did you use apt-get upgrade?
[15:49] <lovre> mgt_: yes, first apt-get upgrade, and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:49] <lovre> mgt_: why, did i do something wrong?
[15:50] <mgt_> lovre: Not if you used dist-upgrade. You did comment out the repositories for the old version of Kubuntu, right?
[15:50] <mgt_> lovre: Try sudo apt-get -f install.
[15:51] <lovre> mgt_: i have used an online repo list creator or something like that to auto generate my list
[15:51] <lovre> mgt_: nothing changes
[15:51] <obladda> I love being able to sleep my computer for the first time with 9.10 and the hibernation is quick too
[15:51] <terran4000> Hi, I'm having some serious power management issues ... for whatever reason on any higher load the CPU clock speed is scaled back to 800mghz and stays there no matter what ..
[15:52] <terran4000> Has anyone heard of this issue before?
[15:52] <mgt_> lovre: Could you give us your /etc/apt/sources.list in pastie or something?
[15:52] <lovre> mgt_: yes, a second
[15:52] <terran4000> Cpufreq tells me this: "frequency should be within 800 MHz and 800 MHz."
[15:52] <lovre> mgt_: http://pastie.org/768905
[15:53] <oal> I have kubuntu on my netbook, but I need to install Knetworkmanager (it got deleted some time ago), but I don't have access to a network cable, so I need to transfer the files over by an usb stick. Any ideas what I need?
[15:54] <mgt_> lovre: Your sources list looks fine. Try aptitude instead of apt-get: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[15:54] <mgt_> lovre: aptitude is a bit better with managing dependency clashes.
[15:57] <lovre> mgt_: this seems to work
[15:57] <lovre> mgt_: thank you
[15:58] <mgt_> lovre: Great. Glad you got Amarok back. =)
[15:58] <lovre> mgt_: :)
[16:01] <afi___> hi, can someone help to patch camera on the notebook ?
[16:10] <BluesKaj> strange happenenings, when I call up a file like /etc/fstab in kate it shows blank if I use kdesudo kate with the run command box , but if i call it up with sudo nano in the terminal it's all there . Also id I just use the run command without sudo then kate shows all the text/data ....any ideas what could be causing this ?
[16:17] <arek> hi;]
[16:18] <mgt_> Hey.
[16:20] <afi___> yeah?
[16:24] <Pat_Benson_> BluesKaj; Does it say "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly" ? I have the same issue
[16:27] <avansc> hey, i just installed kubuntu 9.10 on my macbook pro(nvidia chipset), but the hardware thing cant find/install it. any ideas? previous versions of kubuntu worked fine.
[16:27] <BluesKaj> yes Pat_Benson_ , it does , sometimes ... it's intermittent
[16:32] <at2500> hi. anybody to help me with my logitech usb micro problem?
[16:33] <avansc> have you tried alsamixer?
[16:34] <at2500> yai. recording is all on and loud, also the extra micro tab in kmix
[16:35] <avansc> mm. not sure. did you do a google search on it?
[16:35] <at2500> there used to be a guide on a blog from a guy named crache but the page is offline
[16:36] <at2500> in dmesg snd-usb-audio is registered, it appears in lsusb
[16:37] <Novice> Can  K3b create DVD slideshows?
[16:38] <at2500> in works in skype when i choose it, but i cant record from it.
[16:42] <avansc> what are you using to record?
[16:42] <avansc> audacity?
[16:43] <avansc> because you most likely have to select it as the input device
[16:43] <at2500> QArecord. i am not even able to hear me when i just speak into it and the mic is not mutet in kmix
[16:44] <avansc> well if it works in skype it is working on a system level
[16:44] <avansc> i dont know QArecord, but if you twiddle with it you will get it working
[16:45] <at2500> what could be the reason i cant hear it on my speakers altough i activeated the record switch for it in kmix, and record is loud
[16:46] <avansc> does QArecord have a ossiliscope look
[16:46] <avansc> like can you visually see the sound
[16:47] <avansc> http://linuxdevcenter.com/linux/2005/04/14/graphics/audacity_osx.jpg
[16:47] <avansc> like that?
[16:47] <InHisName1> I tried playing a DVD movie with kaffeine.  Error said I needed to run install-css.sh.  I did with sudo and all appeared to run ok.  Still get error. Rebooted, STILL get error.  Installed again. STILL get error.
[16:47] <avansc> if not. then you are most likely using something else as the input and not the logitech mic
[16:48] <at2500> it does, but it only uses your record-path for recording. theoretically, the mics signal should be routed to that path. but then, i would also hear myself
[16:49] <avansc> indeed. i cant comment on that app, because i have not used it. but most have a must record function to avoid reverb.
[16:49] <avansc> any reason you cant use audacity?
[16:53] <at2500> mh, my aim is to hear myself on the boxes
[16:54] <coreyB> hey all, if i install kde on ubuntu 9.10, is there anyway to get kwin on gnome?
[16:56] <at2500> afaik can you switch to kde in gdm before you log in
[16:57] <inclement> In gnome, my two monitors were setup properly (spreading the desktop across both) as soon as I accessed the display options. With KDE, though, when I try 'multiple desktops' I'm told that 'this module is only for configuring systems with asingle desktop spread across multiple monitors. You do not appear to have this configuration'
[16:58] <inclement> I *want* this configuration, but...how do I set it up?
[16:58] <inclement> Both monitors are listed correctly under 'Size & Orientation'
[16:59] <fujimitsu> kwin is an integral part of the kde desktop environment.. so no, you cant have kwin on gnome
[16:59] <fujimitsu> coreyB:
[16:59] <coreyB> fujimitsu,  that can't be true >:(
[16:59] <coreyB> thats like saying i can't get compiz on KDE
[17:00] <fujimitsu> you try and let us know then
[17:00] <coreyB> hmk okie dokie
[17:00] <wesley> hello I'm unable tp play mp3 in either Juk and Amarok, I installed kubuntu-restricted-extras but still I can not play mp3
[17:07] <fujimitsu> !mp3 > wesley
[17:15] <manas> hey
[17:15] <Daughain> Sup?
[17:15] <manas> how do i change the desktop theme  in Kubuntu
[17:15] <manas> im new
[17:16] <manas> have no idea about linux
[17:16] <manas> although ive downloaded the theme, dunno where
[17:16] <rstob911> right click on the desktop and choose folder view settings
[17:17] <manas> yes
[17:17] <rstob911> themes are there
[17:17] <manas> then
[17:17] <Daughain> I usualy dl and untar, then look for the install......
[17:17] <manas> yes i did that
[17:18] <manas> and then installed some themes
[17:18] <manas> but it doesnt show me those themes in the dropdown list
[17:18] <rstob911> desktop theme should be there manas
[17:18] <rstob911> you can also click on get themes
[17:18] <Daughain> Open system settings, appearance, and add the theme and color files.
[17:19] <Daughain> And follow whatever dirs are in the install file.
[17:20] <Daughain> Ya can also look through the desktop settings already there as well.
[17:23] <fujimitsu> rstob911: you mean right click > desktop settings
[17:24] <rstob911> fujimitsu: yes
[17:24] <rstob911> or if you have it in folder view it will be folder view settings
[17:25] <rstob911> either or
[17:29] <Daughain> fujimitsu,  COuld ya help me get a kde 3.5 karamba theme configured?
[17:30] <Daughain> To run in kde 4.3.2?
[17:35] <fujimitsu> Daughain: i dont think i can help you with that for i am not familiar with karamba
[17:35] <Daughain> OK, thanks anyway.
[17:36] <fujimitsu> in fact, i am not into modifying the default theme .. its nice enough for me
[17:36] <Daughain> I'm trying to get a specific systems monitor functioning.
[17:37] <Daughain> I need more data than ksensors privides, and need it in a dock format I can leave actross the top of my screens.
[17:37] <fujimitsu> the readings are faulty?
[17:38] <Daughain> No, the cpu readings dont show at all. everything else works fine. =()
[17:38] <Daughain> The scripot looks right, but, it just doesnt work for the cpu's.
[17:42] <Daughain> Can ya explain the grep command for me?
[17:43] <Pici> Daughain: grep "pattern" filename
[17:44] <fujimitsu> you could open a terminal and check man page   man grep
[17:44] <Daughain> fujimitsu,   Thanks.
[17:45] <fujimitsu> about 637 lines of wisdom about it
[17:46] <Daughain> Pici,   Newb here, implementation doesnt help when I dont understand what the command does first. Thanks though.
[17:47] <Pici> Daughain: oh. It searches for a pattern (string) in a file or set of files.
[17:48] <Daughain> Does it output this as a default, or is another command needed to place the output?
[17:48] <Pici> Daughain: It will print to stdout by default.
[17:49]  * Daughain chuckles..
[17:49] <Daughain> That sounds like a shot you get at the clinic. =)
[17:49] <Pici> :P
[17:49] <Pici> It will print out the results by default ;)
[17:50]  * Daughain understood that, just found the filename amusing.
[17:50] <mgt_> Where would we be without grep? =)
[17:51] <Daughain> Dunno......Once I can use it, I will answer ya, mgt_  =-)
[17:51] <darkdelusions> Daughain: Have you even gone to bed today :)
[17:52] <Daughain> darkdelusions,   Bed?? wuzzat?
[17:52] <Daughain> Had tpo pay the poweer bill, or all the fin goes away.
[17:52] <Daughain> fun, even.
[17:53] <fujimitsu> Daughain: this one here has a cpu monitor, but its vertical, thought i'd share anyway.. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/monitorek?content=117862
[17:54] <darkdelusions> am i odd for using conky when there is a plasmod for system information ;)
[17:54] <Daughain> fujimitsu,   Ya, there are tons of vetical designs......That messes with me....I *have* a horizontal one, just neeed to figure out the edots to make it work.
[17:55] <Daughain> actaully, think I even dled that one thre other night to look at. =)
[17:56] <fujimitsu> i use top in terminal to monitor my system
[17:56] <fujimitsu> no eyecandy for me there
[17:57] <fujimitsu> except some colors
[17:59] <Daughain> Pici, Thanks, you told me what I needed to find the error in the script
[18:00] <Daughain> Sup, jwill
[18:00] <jwill> Hey Daughain
[18:02] <Daughain> jwill,  I got that sys mon working.=)
[18:03] <jwill> Conky?
[18:03] <Daughain> Asnd, I'm rueing nothing, since it is all stuff I need to learn anyway.
[18:03] <Daughain> Nope, that kde 3.5 one.
[18:03] <jwill> Daughain: Huh.  It works fine?
[18:04] <Daughain> jwill,  Its beginning to. Got the core temps up, and that was the important part. =)
[18:04] <Daughain> Need f=to figger out how to get em in F not C, but its a start. =)
[18:05] <jwill> Hey, kde4 one works now.  I guess plasma just needed a restart after installing sensors
[18:05] <Daughain> lmsensors, or ksensors?
[18:05] <jwill> lmsensors
[18:05] <Daughain> Yea, that doesnt surprise me.
[18:05] <jwill> Ugh, it's just a %... there isn't even a scale.
[18:05] <Daughain> ?????
[18:06] <darkdelusions> Daughain: just to annoy you this is what I used for my sys mon :) it highly configable.... http://conky.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[18:06] <darkdelusions> :)
[18:07] <jwill> darkdelusions: I used that a few years ago in gnome.  Any different now?
[18:07] <Daughain> Why would it annoy me??
[18:07] <jwill> Daughain: I thought there were no digital temps given: http://imagebin.ca/view/o4LYImq.html
[18:07] <darkdelusions> jwill: pretty much the same
[18:07] <Novice> Anyone know of something I can use to make slideshows without having to use command line?
[18:07] <Daughain> And, what is conky anyway? I keep hearing about it.
[18:08] <darkdelusions> jwill but I like it because I can do anything with it
[18:08] <jwill> Daughain: But turns out you just have to scale it up: http://imagebin.ca/view/fri0sG.html
[18:08] <darkdelusions> Its just a system monitor
[18:08] <mgt_> A very configurable system monitor.
[18:08] <jwill> darkdelusions: Yeah, it's probably awesome like that.  But I was a pretty new linux user back when I tried it, so it was just confusing and annoying.
[18:08] <Daughain> Dependencies?
[18:08] <mgt_> Very few.
[18:09] <Daughain> lmsensors and hddinfo, anything else?
[18:09] <Daughain> And, can I do a command line install? =)
[18:09] <darkdelusions> jwill: I downloaded someone else script and modified it to my liking
[18:09] <mgt_> There's a bit of Cairo there too.
[18:10] <mgt_> But it's still lighter than stuff like GKrellM.
[18:10] <darkdelusions> Daughain:  I was only suggesting it just incrase you couldnt find a vertical system monitor that you like
[18:10] <darkdelusions> errr
[18:10] <darkdelusions> Horizontal
[18:11] <Daughain> lol....I appreciate that dd, thats why I was asking about dependencies and install =)
[18:11] <darkdelusions> I didnt like alot f the KDE plasmid system monitors but then agian I tend to be a minimilist with stuff
[18:12] <darkdelusions> Daughain: just apt-get install conky
[18:12] <Daughain> OK, it is a standard command line install, cool.
[18:12] <Novice> KSensors
[18:12] <Daughain> Novice,  What about ksensors?
[18:12] <Novice> Daughain: ME LIKE
[18:12] <Novice> Anyone know of something I can use to make slideshows without having to use command line?
[18:13] <Daughain> LOL..........
[18:13] <jwill> Novice: Show slide shows, or export them to a video format?
[18:13] <jwill> Novice: Gwenview shows slideshows
[18:14] <Novice> jwill: EXPORT TO VIDEO FORMAT
[18:14] <Novice> jwill: sry caps
[18:14] <jwill> Novice: There might be a kipi plugin for that, have you looked?
[18:14] <Daughain> Damn, case sensitive on that install.
[18:15] <Novice> jwill: tried using digikam
[18:15] <jwill> Daughain: Tab is your friend
[18:15] <darkdelusions> Novice: you might wanna check out this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=521885
[18:15] <darkdelusions> I have never used any of the apps
[18:15] <jwill> Novice: You could always use kdenlive, but that's a bit overkill for just slideshows: http://www.kdenlive.org/
[18:15] <Daughain> jwill,  ???
[18:15] <Novice> jwill: finally got my N1 belkin usb to work
[18:16] <jwill> Daughain: Tab autocompletes package names in terminal
[18:16] <Daughain> jwill,  That was a general comment, not for anyone specifically. =)
[18:16] <Daughain> Oh, I was refering to when it asked to continue (Y/n) section. Lowercase 'y' canceled the instal.
[18:16] <jwill> Daughain: Oh, lol
[18:17] <jwill> Novice: Cool
[18:17] <jwill> Got to run, cya
[18:18] <fujimitsu> Daughain:  that specific part is not case sensitive
[18:18] <Daughain> oK, where does conky hide itself?
[18:18] <Daughain> fujimitsu,  It sure acted it when I used a lowercase 'y'.
[18:18] <Daughain> when I redid the install wuth an uppercase 'y', it installed fine.
[18:19] <fujimitsu> interesting.. never seen that happening to me
[18:19] <Daughain> fujimitsu,   I never did either. =) The shock value made me rerun the package. =)
[18:19] <Daughain> darkdelusions,  Where does conky hide itself?
[18:20] <darkdelusions> ./usr/bin/conky
[18:21] <darkdelusions> but
[18:21] <darkdelusions> well
[18:21] <darkdelusions> this is the only hard part about conky
[18:21]  * Daughain chuckles...
[18:21] <darkdelusions> is you have to make an conkyrc file
[18:21] <fujimitsu> Daughain: try finding it with kickoff> computer> run command
[18:21] <Daughain> I nveer noticed that before.... =)
[18:22] <fujimitsu> or in terminal, do  sh conky
[18:22] <darkdelusions> Daughain: this script might be up your ally
[18:22] <darkdelusions> http://conky.sourceforge.net/conky-dlab.tar.gz
[18:22] <darkdelusions> here is the Screen shot of it
[18:22] <darkdelusions> http://conky.sourceforge.net/conky-dlab.png
[18:23] <Daughain> I have it running, need to kill it now.
[18:23] <darkdelusions> just pkill conky
[18:24] <Daughain> pkill?? I used killall.
[18:25] <Daughain> Either way. -)
[18:25] <darkdelusions> meh :)
[18:27] <darkdelusions> Daughain:  your doing that thing agian now you got me wanting to play with my conkyrc file
[18:27]  * Daughain snickers..
[18:27] <Daughain> ZSee, I'm god for getting people to learn.=)
[18:27] <darkdelusions> kinda like you got me playing with kwin desktop effects lastnight
[18:27] <Daughain> Yeah, I got the effects I wanted finally. =)
[18:28] <Daughain> 4 workspaces with seperate themes, plasmoids and uses. =)
[18:28] <Daughain> But I lost my dark crystal background. =(
[18:29] <darkdelusions> Daughain:  I dunno if you will beable to specify conky per workspace
[18:29] <darkdelusions> I have never tried :)
[18:29] <Daughain> Think I am gonna stick with the one I am using right now, and get to know the scripting better first, then branch out into other formats.
[18:30] <Daughain> I want the sysmon on all workspaces.
[18:33] <darkdelusions> I think it is time to go Take a shower and wake up :) been avoiding it for the past hour
[18:37] <Daughain> lol, dd.
[18:37] <Daughain> 'm thiking it may be tme for sleep soon.
[18:38] <Daughain> Gonna tinker with this sysmon for a bit more, though.
[18:38] <Daughain> Hey, in kwin effects, can I define 6 workspaces on the cube?
[18:38] <Daughain> Or is it limited to four like compiz seems to be?
[18:42] <kaddi> hi, has there been a major kde upgrade in the last couple of days? I got 300Mb of updates o.o
[18:46] <Daughain> Very good.
[18:51] <kaddi> hi, has there been a major kde upgrade in the last couple of days? I got 300Mb of updates o.o I would like to know what I'm to expect before applying them... Is this a new kde-version (subversion?) or are those just random bugfixes that have accumulated over the holidays
[18:52] <Daughain> Damn that pastebin plasmoid is sweet!!!
[18:58] <genii> kaddi: If kdm doesn't start login to console and issue: sudo start kdm
[19:00] <Daughain> Think I may need more ram.....
[19:01] <alextk37> Всем привет! Уменя новая система. Не нарадуюсь!!!!
[19:01] <kaddi> !ru
[19:02] <alextk37> Русские ребята есть
[19:08] <skiwithpete> ola
[19:08] <Riddell> kaddi: see kubuntu.org
[19:08] <skiwithpete> hey guys, (and gals)
[19:08] <maco> ski?
[19:09] <skiwithpete> I'm setting up my bro's comp and
[19:09] <skiwithpete> hey maco
[19:09] <maco> i was skiing this weekend
[19:09] <maco> but thats offtopic
[19:09] <skiwithpete> setting up his comp, and installed a dodgy ati driver
[19:09] <skiwithpete> anyways, X doesn't work anymore
[19:09] <skiwithpete> just goes black
[19:10] <skiwithpete> what command do I use at prompt to reconfigureX to use the generic drivers
[19:10] <skiwithpete> ?
[19:10] <maco> which? howd you install it?
[19:10] <skiwithpete> (I didn't, he did, and it was a restricted driver...
[19:10] <maco> try to uninstall xserver-xorg-video-fglrx
[19:10] <maco> and then reboot
[19:11] <skiwithpete> when I boot in recovery, and type "startx"
[19:11] <abdifataah> excause me guys
[19:11] <abdifataah> what's "startx"
[19:11] <abdifataah> if u don't mind
[19:11] <skiwithpete> what is the command for that? sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-fglrx
[19:11] <maco> aye
[19:11] <skiwithpete> coo
[19:12] <maco> abdifataah: starts the graphics if you login from a terminal instead of having a graphical login screen
[19:12] <abdifataah> ok
[19:13] <Daugha|n> KDE is nifty, but uses a shitload of ram.....
[19:13] <skiwithpete> couldn't find packAGE
[19:13] <skiwithpete> do i have the name wrong?
[19:13] <pawel_121> Daugha|n I wouldn't be so sure about ram usage
[19:13] <skiwithpete> sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-fglrx
[19:13] <skiwithpete> ?
[19:14] <pawel_121> Daughain it shares resources, so it's hard to measure real ram usage
[19:14] <Daughain> pawel_121,   I may just need a reboot then, I'm just about maxed out. 1487 of 1628
[19:14] <pawel_121> Daughain it's probably much less
[19:14] <Daughain> pawel_121,   And some plasmoids just refuse to work.
[19:14] <pawel_121> Daughain I don't know about plasmoids :)
[19:15] <Daughain> pawel_121,   I dont either just installed kde about 43 hours ago. =)
[19:15] <Daughain> Think I'll try a reboot and see what happens.
[19:15] <pawel_121> Daughain a little about memory usage http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/shared_memory.html
[19:15] <pawel_121> Daughain take a look ;)
[19:16] <skiwithpete> hahaha
[19:16] <skiwithpete> so I removed xorg-driver-fglrx and now it says, no screen found... what now?
[19:17] <maco> is xserver-xorg-vide-ati still installed?
[19:17] <Daughain> skiwithpete,   Neat.
[19:17] <maco> and did you reboot?
[19:17] <skiwithpete> rebooting now
[19:19] <skiwithpete> ok, now xorg.conf says missing modules
[19:19] <skiwithpete> how do I autoconfigureX?
[19:19] <skiwithpete> and make a new xorg.conf in the process?
[19:22] <irfan_> is it possib?le to copy music to ipod using vlc player
[19:22] <irfan_> ?
[19:22] <Pici> No.
[19:23] <skiwithpete> maco are you still around to give me a hand?
[19:23] <irfan_> Pici no? i thought vlc support ipod
[19:23] <Pici> irfan_: I'm pretty sure it just plays things.
[19:24] <Pici> irfan_: You can check vlc's website though.
[19:24] <irfan_> is there any other kde application that i can use to copy music to ipod?
[19:24] <Daughain> The joys of rebooting. =[)
[19:26] <skiwithpete> got it into kde now
[19:26] <skiwithpete> more soon
[19:30] <Daughain> Hey, jwill  If you can tell me how to use Klipper, I got some screenshots. =)
[19:30] <miglo> irfan_ : already had a look on amarok?
[19:30] <jwill> Daughain: I don't use it.  It just keeps a history of your clipboard.
[19:31] <Daughain> Ok, how do I access my clipboard?
[19:31] <jwill> Daughain: Presumably some people want that functionality, but I'm not one of them.
[19:31] <jwill> Daughain: Just select something.  Middle click to paste.
[19:31] <Daughain> jwill,  I thought it *was* the clipboard.
[19:32] <Daughain> jwill,  Lappy, no middle button.
[19:32] <jwill> Daughain: Click both buttons at once.  Emulates middle click.
[19:32] <Daughain> Ah....
[19:33] <jwill> Daughain: Or you can do ctrl+c, ctrl + v, which uses a separate clipboard from select/middlemouse.
[19:33] <Daughain> I need to look up things stored on the clipboard, so I need to open it by itself.
[19:33] <jwill> Daughain: This still works without clipper; it just keeps a history, so you access the last 50 things you copied.
[19:33] <jwill> Daughain: just right click on the tray icon, I think
[19:34] <Daughain> Onlyicon I have is for this craptastic klipper thing.
[19:35] <jwill> Daughain: klipper is what I meant.  What's bad about it?
[19:36] <Daughain> I right click, and it popups up a menu, but I cant do anything with what is on the menu.
[19:38] <jwill> Daughain: Selecting one of them just copies it to your current buffer.  ie you can middle click or ctrl+V somewhere to paste it.
[19:39] <Daughain> So, how do Imopen the clipboard itself, or dont I actualy have one to open?
[19:41] <jwill> What do you mean by "open the clipboard"?
[19:41] <jwill> You can access anything you previously copied in klipper.
[19:42] <jwill> Daughain: What are you trying to do?  Was there some program you previously used that did something more?
[19:42] <Daughain> jwill,  Here's two of the links
[19:42] <Daughain> http://imagebin.ca/view/X73PZH.html
[19:42] <Daughain> http://imagebin.ca/view/mXpP07.html
[19:42] <Daughain> I use the pastebin plasmoid to ul the pics, and it saves the address' to clipboard. I just wanted to open the clipboard so I could access the adress'.
[19:43] <Daughain> I rather like that plasmoid. =)
[19:43] <jwill> Daughain: You can.  But what are those images of?
[19:44] <Daughain> Those are two of my workspaces with the sysmon.
[19:45] <Daughain> Slowly working on figuring out what cals are needed in kde4 to support all of the monitors functions.
[19:46] <jwill> Daughain: I mean how do they pertain to the clipboard klipper thing?
[19:47] <Daughain> I used the pastebin widget to upload them to imagebin, and the widget copies the adress to the clipboard.
[19:48] <Daughain> How in the nine flaming hells I open the clipboard to read what has been saved to it I am still trying to figure out. =) Those were the only 2 addys I could locate.
[19:49] <Daughain> I saw what looked like the clipboard con and tried to open it, but that was just that klipper thing, and isnt doing me any good. It seems to randomly save all kinds of crap.
[19:49] <Daughain> con==icon
[19:51] <jwill> KLIPPER IS THE CLIPBOARD
[19:51] <jwill> Seriously...
[19:51] <Daughain> =(
[19:52] <jwill> Daughain: That's because you selected it.  You can probably disable that, since you don't have an easy middle mouse button
[19:52] <Daughain> Dam, I was hoping *something* would work as I expected it to. =)
[19:53] <Daughain> OK, something else to tinker with...
[19:53] <Daughain> No, I got it, klipper saves every single thing I c&p......
[19:53] <Daughain> Need to figger out how to disable that.
[19:54] <jwill> Daughain: It's not clipper; it's an xorg feature.
[19:54] <jwill> Wait, you don't want klipper to remember everything you copy?  That's what it _does_
[19:55] <jwill> Disable that, and it doesn't do anything anymore.
[19:55] <Daughain> jwill,  Ok, I think this wil be a topic for another day then.. girl wants to go to the store...
[19:55]  * Daughain nods..
[19:56] <Daughain> EVENTUALLY i WL GET AL THIS STUFF FIGURED OUT. =)
[19:57] <Daughain> Sorry.
[19:57] <Daughain> See ya in a bit, kidz.
[20:07] <sven_oostenbrink> Anybody here who has experiences with dotdeb.org?
[20:07] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Nope.
[20:07] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Problems?
[20:08] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: yeap, dependancy problems.. trying to install php5.3.1 from dotdeb, but I keep having dependancy problems with libtool and apache.. I don't gettit, if these repos should work with ubuntu, then why don't they?
[20:09] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: You're installing with apt-get or aptitude?
[20:09] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: apt-get
[20:10] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Ah, that's a debian website.  The stuff those packages depends on might not be in the ubuntu repos
[20:10] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: More likely they're not up to date.
[20:10] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: Crap.. so I need another repo site
[20:10] <sven_oostenbrink> I thought ubuntu and debian were pretty close in package versions
[20:11] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Here's a solution to that issue specifically: http://blog.astrumfutura.com/archives/427-Installing-PHP-5.3.1-On-Ubuntu-9.10-Karmic-Koala-With-aptitudeapt-get.html
[20:11] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: "These are perfectly compatible with Ubtuntu 9.10 and only require the manual installation of two extra dependencies which Ubuntu cannot resolve itself."
[20:11] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Looks like you need to manually install two more things.  Presumably libtools and apache
[20:12] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: ah, but only two , or two + 20.000 dependancies? thats always the thing :)
[20:12] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: where could I find these debian deb files?
[20:12] <jwill> It says on that blog
[20:13] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: Looks like a pain unless you really need php 5.3.1
[20:15] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: well, I do need php5.3, but I want to install the ssh2 extension, which seems to be a pain so far..I manually compiled php5.3 and it works, but pecl install fails
[20:15] <sven_oostenbrink> I was hoping that a package install would yield better results
[20:17] <jwill> sven_oostenbrink: The blog probably works, I'd just follow what it says to do.
[20:17] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: well, jumping more directly to my problem.. the ssh2 extension, pecl install fails.. have any experiences there?
[20:17] <jwill> None whatever.
[20:20] <sven_oostenbrink> jwill: Checking php channel
[20:22] <coreyB> hey,. my internet is really slow on kubuntu 9.10
[20:22] <coreyB> any ideas?
[20:22] <mgt_> coreyB: Could be anything. Do you have any further info?
[20:23] <coreyB> nope, it works fine in windows :|
[20:23] <jwill> coreyB: Maybe you're downloading packages in the background?  Have you checked your network activity?
[20:24] <coreyB> theres nothing downloading in the background
[20:24] <jwill> Have you checked your network activity?
[20:24] <coreyB> no ones on my network besides me
[20:24] <coreyB> its deffinatly kubuntu 9.10's fault
[20:25] <jwill> Have you checked your network activity?
[20:25] <coreyB> yes............
[20:25] <jwill> Using something like system monitor?
[20:25] <coreyB> yuppers
[20:25] <coreyB> \
[20:26] <jwill> coreyB: And there's no upload/download?
[20:26] <coreyB> nope, after about 20 seconds waiting for a page to load, theres finally a little download
[20:27] <coreyB> its a wired connection also
[20:28] <coreyB> jwill,  is there anyway to set a dns?
[20:28] <jwill> coreyB: Yeah
[20:28] <coreyB> mind explaining how?
[20:28] <jwill> coreyB: What, did you try getting to a page with the IP address and found it faster?
[20:29] <coreyB> jwill,  no i haven't tried, but im pretty sure its a ipv6 issue
[20:29] <coreyB> considering all the bugs kubuntu 9.10 & ubuntu 9.10 has with ipv6
[20:29] <jwill> coreyB: Well, go to connection settings (right click on knetworkmanager in tray)
[20:29] <coreyB> jwill,  i tried there, is there maybe a text file that i can set?
[20:30] <jwill> coreyB: You can set your DNS from the GUI
[20:30] <coreyB> theres no network thing, and when i add one it doesn't connect to it.
[20:30] <jwill> If you want to use the command line, there is a file, one sec
[20:30] <jwill> forget where it is
[20:31] <jwill> coreyB: Ah yes, /etc/resolv.conf
[20:31] <jwill> Then just change the nameserver entries to your desired DNS
[20:31] <coreyB> all i see is # Generated by network manager, and also nameserver 192.168.1.254 (the ip of my router)
[20:31] <coreyB> oo ok
[20:32] <coreyB> lol ^
[20:32] <jwill> But you could just set your dns on your router
[20:32] <coreyB> ok sec
[20:33] <coreyB> hmk jwill  that didn't help
[20:33] <jwill> You can test with "dig google.com" or some other url
[20:33] <coreyB> oo
[20:33] <coreyB> yes going to the direct IP is way faster
[20:33] <jwill> Really?  Neat.
[20:34] <jwill> Think I'll try the google dns while I'm at it
[20:34] <coreyB> thats what i was using
[20:35] <coreyB> jwill,  well any other ideas?
[20:35] <jwill> coreyB: Wow, that's 6 times slower
[20:36] <jwill> :D
[20:36] <coreyB> O.O its faster for me lol
[20:36] <jwill> I'm getting 3 ms lookup times with my default dns
[20:36] <jwill> University internet = f*cking awesome
[20:38] <coreyB> jwill,  mind googling around for me? its way to slow..
[20:39] <r4v3nsw0rd> how do you change either the color of the text or the color of the background in the hover texts?
[20:40] <jwill> coreyB: Thinking
[20:40] <jwill> r4v3nsw0rd: Go to System Settings -> Appearance -> colours
[20:41] <jwill> r4v3nsw0rd: And edit the colour that co-oresponds to the popup things
[20:41] <infh4x0r> r4v3nsword system settings > appearance > color
[20:41] <jwill> colour*
[20:41] <jwill> :D
[20:41] <coreyB> jwill,  may i pm you?
[20:42] <r4v3nsw0rd> k, thanks
[20:46] <coreyB> jwill,  the nsswitch one
[20:46] <coreyB> that is the solution i believe
[20:46] <jwill> Oh, neat
[20:47] <jwill> coreyB: About the 3ms thing.. that was dns caching.  It's actually 20ms, which is still 6 times faster than google.
[20:48] <inclement> Does anyone know how to tell xrandr which screen is the 'main' one, where KDE should put the panels?
[20:48] <inclement> Gnome uses the left, VGA screen (correctly), KDE puts them on the right (DVI) screen, which I don't want
[20:48] <inclement> And I can't work out what on Earth they might be doing differently
[20:50] <jwill> inclement: Is it in multi-monitor settings?
[20:51] <jwill> inclement: I can't look at it because I don't have two monitors D:
[20:51] <inclement> In 'System Settings'?
[20:52] <coreyB> jwill,  much much faster, any idea what DNS i should use?
[20:54] <jwill> coreyB: Thought goole was fast for you?
[20:54] <jwill> google*
[20:54] <coreyB> yeah, but i dont like the idea of google seeing every site i go to
[20:54] <jwill> coreyB: If you live close to it, UltraDNS is faster, and OpenDNS is just as fast.
[20:55] <jwill> coreyB: Here's an interesting link about it: http://www.manu-j.com/blog/opendns-alternative-google-dns-rocks/403/
[20:56] <sfears> mindspring dns 207.69.188.187
[20:56] <jwill> Is that earthlink?
[20:58] <coreyB> yeah jwill looks like it
[21:01] <coreyB> jwill http://i45.tinypic.com/2j0md1t.png
[21:01] <coreyB> how would i set a dns?
[21:01] <jwill> You just did
[21:02] <coreyB> look though ^
[21:02] <coreyB> i wanna set it via the GUI now  >:
 coreyB: Ah yes, /etc/resolv.conf
 Then just change the nameserver entries to your desired DNS
[21:03] <jwill> coreyB: Commandline is faster and better once you know how to do something.
[21:04] <coreyB> ah okie dokie
[21:04] <coreyB> jwill,  something keeps changing it back >:
[21:05] <jwill> coreyB: Ahh, that's probably knetworkmanager
[21:05] <jwill> coreyB: I guess you have to set it through that
[21:05] <coreyB> yeah jwill, look at it though, theres no where to set it >:(
[21:05] <jwill> Yeah there is
[21:06] <jwill> coreyB: http://imagebin.ca/view/3yKgZe.html
[21:06] <coreyB> oo pretty desktop btw
[21:07] <jwill> Oops, that's wrong spot D:
[21:07] <coreyB> do i click wired then add?
[21:07] <jwill> Yeah
[21:07] <jwill> http://imagebin.ca/view/VWo8l8NP.html
[21:08] <coreyB> should i check connect automatically?
[21:09] <jwill> coreyB: http://imagebin.ca/view/Vvn8_kWf.html is what final conf should look like, but with whatever DNS ip you want
[21:09] <coreyB> yup did it just like that
[21:09] <jwill> That should work, then
[21:10] <coreyB> but the resolv.conf shows a different ip still..
[21:10] <jwill> coreyB: Did you select that connection?
[21:10] <coreyB> yes.
[21:11] <jwill> coreyB: Also, I'm not sure how to denote multiple DNS servers.  Space didn't stay...
[21:11] <jwill> coreyB: Try with just one for now
[21:12] <coreyB> nope
[21:12] <coreyB> still changing it back >:(
[21:13] <jwill> coreyB: Do dig | grep ";; SERVER"
[21:13] <jwill> coreyB: And see if that's your new or old DNS server
[21:14] <coreyB> old one
[21:14] <jwill> coreyB: If you're new to linux, pipes (|) are awesome.  They redirect output from command on left side to command on right side
[21:14] <jwill> coreyB: Hmm.  That sucks.
[21:16] <coreyB> hmm
[21:16] <coreyB> sec im gonna try setting in the router
[21:18] <jwill> coreyB: Looks like it's a confirmed bug.  I think you can stop knetworkmanager from resetting /etc/resolv.conf
[21:21] <jwill> coreyB: https://bugs.launchpad.net/knetworkmanager/+bug/382161
[21:21] <coreyB> jwill,  much faster :D
[21:21] <coreyB> 26 ish ms on google
 coreyB: https://bugs.launchpad.net/knetworkmanager/+bug/382161
[21:23] <coreyB> ah ok so its not my fault now is it?
[21:24] <jwill> coreyB: Yeah.  Ugh, doesn't even seem to be a workaround posted there.
[21:24] <jwill> coreyB: This is why kubuntu is known as one of the worst KDE distros around.
[21:24] <jwill> coreyB: Although it could be a KDE bug...
[21:25] <llutz> 99% of desktop installations would have less issues using good old ifupdown (even if not maintained anymore) rather than using nm
[21:25] <jwill> llutz: Never heard of it.  What was it?
[21:26] <llutz> jwill: ifupdown, that old fashioned way to configure your network with /etc/network/interfaces
[21:26] <jwill> coreyB: You're good now, since your router is handling it.  But it's still a bug...
[21:27] <coreyB> yeah
[21:27] <coreyB> those are the only problems i had so far with kubuntu
[21:28] <jwill> coreyB: Still more than I've had on this install :S
[21:29] <coreyB> oh
[21:29] <jwill> coreyB: While you're fixing kde stuff, you might want to install the missing packages so your file indexer works.
[21:29] <coreyB> also the kubuntu installer is buggy
[21:29] <jwill> coreyB: ?
[21:29] <coreyB> when you install kubunt, you HAVE to let it do everything, you cant click skip, or else it crashes
[21:30] <itu>  hi
[21:31] <jwill> coreyB: Skip what, the install?
[21:31] <jwill> itu: Hey.
[21:31] <itu> now i have succesfully installed nvidia-driver  Question: how to change the 'dpi' ?
[21:31] <jwill> Resolution, or font dpi?
[21:31] <coreyB> jwill,  no no no, when you boot the live CD, and it says 'configuring APT' it gives you an option to skip, and once you skip it just crashes
[21:32] <jwill> coreyB: Hmm.  Might have had something to do with your network issues?
[21:32] <coreyB> maybe
[21:32] <itu> i mean the 'dpi' for the 'whole desktop'
[21:33] <jwill> Right, the resolution.  It's in System Settings
[21:33] <jwill> itu: KTorrent appears to have locked plasma up again, so someone else will have to tell you where...
[21:34] <itu>  KTorrent?
[21:34] <Daughain> kde bittorrent client
[21:35] <itu> how is Ktorrent related to my problem?
[21:35] <Daughain> itu,  jwill 's client has locked, not yours.
[21:35] <jwill> Related to your problem because I can't help you D:
[21:36] <Daughain> itu,   I'm gfoing to guess he was gonna give you a link to dl something.
[21:36] <jwill> ?
[21:36] <Daughain> ???
[21:36] <jwill> Daughain: Tell him where to change display resolution in System Settings
[21:39] <coreyB> uhm
[21:39] <coreyB> you just go in the system settings, and click display
[21:39] <jwill> Yay.
[21:39] <jwill> itu: ^
[21:39] <coreyB> then it says 'size' and just click it :P
[21:40] <itu> (ok, i found how to change fonts/ize generally)
[21:43] <Daughain> jwill,  Sorry,was getting a drink.
[22:11] <francesco_> ciao
[22:11] <coreyB> ciao?
[22:11] <francesco_> hello
[22:11] <coreyB> hi
[22:11] <francesco_> hi
[22:11] <francesco_> can u put a link where i
[22:12] <francesco_> can download a film: christmas carlo?
[22:12] <coreyB> francesco_,  we don't help with that.
[22:12] <francesco_> ok thank u
[22:13] <francesco_> u konw someone can help me?
[22:15] <mcprtk> Hi people
[22:15] <Daughain> Morning.
[22:16] <Planetary> i just installed kubuntu 9.10 and it doesnt boot. it says no operating system found... oh no.. any thoughts
[22:16] <mcprtk> is there any user-manager in kde4??? I remember there is one in KDE3!
[22:17] <Daughain> Planetary, Are you sure you instaled it to the right drive/partition?  =)
[22:17] <Planetary> yes
[22:17] <Daughain> You install from livecd?
[22:17] <Planetary> i have 2 drives and i changed my boot priority. yes i installed from live cd. i am running live now to try to fix it
[22:18] <Daughain> Planetary,  Ok, are you sure the disk is healthy?? I found out one went bad when I installed Jaunty on her system,.
[22:20] <Planetary> yaaa not 100% sure. it did work fine with the windows disk as media and such
[22:20] <Planetary> i suspect thats the problem if it fails to load grub
[22:21]  * Daughain nods.
[22:21] <Planetary> why would it not boot but be fine at everything else
[22:21] <Daughain> Depends on what sector was writtten to on the install.
[22:22] <Daughain> If you have a group of bad sectors and grub is written to them, no boot.
[22:22] <Planetary> ohh, i moved stuff around to try to ger / at the begining
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> mcprtk: which versino of kubuntu are you using?
[22:22] <Daughain> If oyu have scattered bad sectors, you may get boot, but wit limited finctionality.
[22:22] <Planetary> hmm.
[22:23] <Planetary> im in teh live cd and it says grub is not installed
[22:23] <Planetary> is that a sign?
[22:23] <Daughain> Prolly.......Can you locate the install log?
[22:24] <Planetary> oah no. where is it?
[22:24] <Daughain> Ummmmm.......I fdunno eother.
[22:24] <Planetary> ill look
[22:25] <Daughain> Mostly a newb here too.
[22:27] <pinkisntwell> hey guys
[22:27] <pinkisntwell> kubuntu 9.10 comes with kde3 right?
[22:28] <coreyB> uhm, im not all to sure, but i think kde4 i *could* be wrong
[22:28] <Daughain> SHould be kde4........Not positive, though.
[22:28] <jwill> KDE 4.3
[22:28]  * jwill is positive
[22:28] <pinkisntwell> jwill: remember me?
[22:29] <jwill> pinkisntwell: You had a plasma problem?
[22:29] <pinkisntwell> jwill: yes
[22:29] <Daughain> jwill,   Wssup.
[22:29] <jwill> Planetary: How far does the boot get?
[22:29] <johnny_> hey
[22:29] <johnny_> i'm running kubuntu 9.10
[22:29] <johnny_> and no, it comes with kde 4.3
[22:29] <johnny_> (which in my opinion is way better than 3)
[22:30] <jwill> Yeah.
[22:30] <pinkisntwell> so since i didn't find anyone who can even understand the error i'm having, let alone fixing it, i decided to try and rectify the situation by going back
[22:30] <Planetary> no where. It doesnt get to grub. it says no operating system found after post
[22:30] <jwill> pinkisntwell: Reinstalling?
[22:30] <pinkisntwell> how do i disable the plasma-desktop and the like to go back to a usable desktop environment?
[22:30] <jwill> Planetary: Ah.  That's bad.
[22:30] <pinkisntwell> no, can't i just go back a kde version or something?
[22:30] <Planetary> jwill, ya i think its messed up disk
[22:31] <jwill> Planetary: There a lot of things you can try with that; it's well documented
[22:31] <jwill> Planetary: What did you do just before it stopped booting?
[22:31] <mgt_> Planetary: Maybe you just need to reinstall GRUB.
[22:31] <pinkisntwell> so my question is, how do i go back a kde version?
[22:32] <Planetary> jwill. i couldnt seem to find anything. its a fresh install.
[22:32] <Daughain> pinkisntwell, you did a fresh install of 9.10?
[22:32] <pinkisntwell> yes
[22:32] <jwill> mgt_, Planetary: There are instructions for reinstalling GRUB here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[22:32] <Daughain> pinkisntwell,   I dont beleive you can go back.
[22:33] <pinkisntwell> Daughain: ???
[22:33] <mgt_> pinkisntwell: Switch to Debian Lenny.
[22:33] <jwill> pinkisntwell: You would probably be ebst off just reinstalling
[22:33] <pinkisntwell> wait, if i install something it can't be uninstalled?
[22:33] <Daughain> pinkisntwell,  Unless you uininstall kde4 manually, and reinstall kde 3.x, I dont think you can 'go back' as you put it.
[22:33] <jwill> mgt_: He's a new linux user... and this is the #kubuntu channel
[22:34] <pinkisntwell> Daughain: ok that's what i want to do then
[22:34] <mgt_> jwill: True, but I can't see any other way around it since Kubuntu has moved to KDE4. Even 8.04 LTS, I think.
[22:35] <Daughain> pinkisntwell,   You installed an ubunytu ver that has kde preconfigured, so to speak, the only way you can change that would be manualy reconfiguring kde entirely.
[22:35] <pinkisntwell> Daughain: what does that mean?
[22:35] <jwill> mgt_: Right.  He just thinks going back will fix his problem.  But it would be as easy to reinstall kubuntu as it would be to install debian for kde3
[22:35] <Daughain> Just install ubuntu, and add thr kde packages manually. :P
[22:36] <jwill> pinkisntwell: Going back to kde3 would be just as much work as reinstalling kde4.
[22:36] <pinkisntwell> jwill: so what should i do?
[22:36] <Daughain> Prolly more work....
[22:36] <Daughain> Is kde3 still in the repos?
[22:37] <Daughain> pinkisntwell,  Install Ubuntu, or debian, or reinatsll kubuntu.
[22:37] <jwill> pinkisntwell: If making a new user doesn't work, you should just back up your data and reinstall
[22:37] <Daughain> All eaqually easy, at this point.
[22:38] <pinkisntwell> jwill: but the same thing will happen again after i reinstall
[22:39] <jwill> pinkisntwell: I don't follow your logic.
[22:39] <pinkisntwell> i installed kubuntu 3 days ago
[22:39] <pinkisntwell> it asked to update itself and it broke plasma-desktop
[22:39] <jwill> pinkisntwell: You were the one who manually removed his video driver, right?
[22:39] <pinkisntwell> if i reinstall the same thing will happen right?
[22:39] <pinkisntwell> jwill: no i'm not
[22:40] <jwill> pinkisntwell: It probably won't.  If you're afraid of it happening, you could just not update, except for security updates.
[22:40] <pinkisntwell> jwill: is this supposed to be a solution?
[22:40] <pinkisntwell> jwill: it probably won't? so i'm just gonna update and cross my fingers?
[22:41] <jwill> pinkisntwell: I'm sorry, I thought we were helping people in our free time with no compensation except said person thanking us...
[22:41] <pinkisntwell> jwill: ?
[22:41] <jwill> pinkisntwell: I guess I'll ship you a replacement computer.
[22:41] <Daughain> pinkisntwell,  If you want a solution, I gave you one. , jwill  gave you one and mgt_  have you one
[22:42] <pinkisntwell> Daughain: is a reinstall considered a solution?
[22:42] <pinkisntwell> Daughain: is like cutting off your hand being a solution for when your hand hurts
[22:42] <Daughain> pinkisntwell,  In the situation you are in yes.
[22:42] <Daughain> pin, I did four total instals before I got this sys configured the way I like, so what?
[22:43] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: did you try making a new user as mentioned by jwill?
[22:43] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: yes
[22:43] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: i tried deleting all plasma config files too
[22:43] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: have you installed any plasmoids recently?
[22:43] <jwill> pinkisntwell: Reinstall with kubuntu takes half an hour of your time, tops.
[22:43] <Daughain> Ands, pinkisntwell , two people suggested installing a different OS.
[22:44] <jwill> wankdanker: Can't be that, because he tried removing his .kde, which takes all widgets off his desktop (except default ones...)
[22:44] <pinkisntwell> jwill: even booting the cd takes 10 minutes
[22:44] <wankdanker> jwill: just curious if one of the plasmoids from the repos is causing the issue
[22:45] <pinkisntwell> jwill: and what about the time to reinstall and reconfigure all my apps?
[22:45] <mgt_> pinkisntwell: Unless you're on a slow net connection, apt-getting your programs doesn't take very long. As for configuration, just back up /etc
[22:47] <jwill> pinkisntwell: Back up your .folders in your home dir.  They have all your config.
[22:47] <jwill> pinkisntwell: If you don't want to download again, checkout aptoncd, which easily backs up packages to a cd/dvd.
[22:48] <pinkisntwell> jwill: look
[22:48] <pinkisntwell> jwill: let's forget about the reinstall, if i'm gonna reinstall it certainly won't be with kubuntu again, so the point is moot
[22:49] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: ok, if you aren't going to re-install, did you try removing the plasma desktop components and then reinstalling?
[22:49] <Edo> does anyone have experience in openvpn?
[22:49] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: how do i do that?
[22:49] <mgt_> Edo: I have some.
[22:50] <jwill> Ahh, the good old windows-user-threatening-to-switch-back-if-we-don't-help-him
[22:51] <pinkisntwell> jwill: huh? when did i do that?
[22:51] <pinkisntwell> jwill: you brought up windows
[22:51] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: it would be something along the lines of sudo apt-get remove kdebase-plasma
[22:51] <Edo> Excellent. Currently I'm having issues with using my newly setup vpn. I followed the ubuntu docs in setting up the openvpn server and have successfully connected to it, but I am unable to use it.
[22:51] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: along the lines? how can i find out for sure?
[22:51] <Daughain> jwill,   I remember when reinstall was an expected part of the yearly windows ritual. =)
[22:51] <mgt_> Edo: Is it a routed VPN or a bridged VPN?
[22:52] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: i will let you know for sure. i just need to test it out here.
[22:52] <mgt_> Daughain: It still is. You got to clear the registry somehow. =)
[22:52] <Edo> if i followed the instructions, it should be ether bridged
[22:52] <inclement> I think I've force killed something important in the window manager. I still have a terminal. Is there something I can type to logout safely?
[22:52] <Daughain> mgt_,   Wel, they do have a god assortment of apps for uch issues these days, but.....
[22:52] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: ok
[22:53] <Edo> mgt_: here are the instructions I followed. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN
[22:54] <mgt_> Edo: Yeah, I remember coming across that myself.
[22:55] <Edo> mgt_: as for the client, I used the windows GUI app from here. http://openvpn.se/
[22:55] <mgt_> Edo: So you can connect to it?
[22:56] <Edo> mgt_: I can actually and I'm given an ip. However, I am not able to see my servers samba or tunnel through it or anything really.
[22:56] <mgt_> Edo: Ah ok.
[22:57] <mgt_> Edo: So you want access to services on the same LAN as the openVPN server?
[22:57] <Edo> mgt_: I wish to use it, just like a local network. In which I can do Lan games, file share, web browse, etc.
[22:58] <Nete> Hello, I have no sound. And I just did a little bit ago. All the mixer levels are all the way up.
[22:58] <Edo> mgt_: I want all activity to go through my VPN.
[22:59] <Edo> mgt_: as if I was at home hooked up to my router.
[22:59] <Daughain> Nete,   Do you have no sound at all, or only no sound for a particular device/format?
[22:59] <pinkisntwell> Nete: try going into systemsetting to the audio options and pick a different device, same thing happened to me today
[22:59] <pinkisntwell> Nete: it fixes itself and breaks again randomly with each boot
[23:00] <mgt_> Edo: I've been using ALS so much I'm a bit rusty on my bare-iron openVPN. Can you ping the other machines on the LAN?
[23:00] <Nete> Daughain: I have no youtube, mp3, m4u etc
[23:00] <mgt_> Edo: e.g. ping the samba server?
[23:00] <Daughain> Nete,  cd or dvd?
[23:01] <Edo> mgt_: No. So far only my laptop is connected to the VPN. The server which is running VPN also runs samba in which I'm trying to connect. Do I need my server to connect to the VPN service?
[23:02] <Nete> Daughain: Haven't tried it yet. pinkisntwell:
[23:02] <Nete> both my devices dont work
[23:02] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: sudo apt-get remove kdebase-workspace-bin
[23:02] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: that will remove plasma-desktop
[23:02] <Edo> mgt_: I've tried all the ips. The vpn and the fixed ip the router at home gives my server.
[23:02] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: and then i reinstall the same package?
[23:02] <Daughain> Nete,  How recently were they working?
[23:02] <Edo> mgt_; neither work.
[23:03] <mgt_> Edo: So you get "Host not found" if you try and ping the IP?
[23:03] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: be sure to note what other packages will be automatically uninstalled so that you can install install it again.
[23:03] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: yes, sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-bin
[23:03] <Nete> Daughain: I think they were working before I hibernated my machine. I'
[23:04] <Nete> I'm going to restart.
[23:04] <Daughain> Nete,  Have you tried a full reboot?
[23:04]  * Daughain nods.
[23:04] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: thanks, i will try this now
[23:04] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: what i would do is remove kdebase-workspace-bin, noting the other packages, then re-install kdebase-workspace-bin, then try to run plasma-desktop to see if you get the same error
[23:04] <Edo> mgt_: "7Ping request could not find host RedQueen"
[23:04] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: indeed this sounds smart
[23:04] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: after that, then install the other packages that were auto-removed
[23:05] <pinkisntwell> k3b kdebase-workspace-bin kpackagekit kubuntu-desktop plasma-widget-networkmanagement update-notifier-kde
[23:05] <pinkisntwell> these packages will be removed
[23:05] <mgt_> Edo: Right, so evidently you're not actually connected to the LAN.
[23:05] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: then try killing plasma-desktop and restarting it to see if the error occurs again.
[23:05] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: ok that's what was removed on mine as well.
[23:05] <pinkisntwell> ok moving on
[23:06] <Daughain> WB jwill .
[23:06] <Edo> mgt_: I see, so my guess that my ethernet bridge is not working is correct?
[23:07] <jwill> Daughain: Computer hung to the extent that neither ctrl+backspace nor ALT+SYSREQ+R-E-I-S-U-B did anything... o_o
[23:07] <Nete> Daughain: I'm back...
[23:07] <jwill> Mouse cursor wouldn't even move
[23:07] <pinkisntwell> ok i reinstalled and reran plasma-desktop and they same thing happened
[23:07] <Nete> *is testing
[23:07] <mgt_> Edo: Precisely. But we need to know why.
[23:07] <Torch> hi there
[23:07] <Daughain> jwill,  Yeah, I had a similar issue earlier, I managed to shut down befor it got that bad though. =)
[23:07] <Daughain> Need nmore ram.
[23:07] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: do i need to reboot in between?
[23:07] <mgt_> Edo: Chances are it's the bridged network interfaces. They're infamously problematic.
[23:07] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: no
[23:07] <Daughain> Nete,  Any love?
[23:08] <jwill> Daughain: That's the thing, it didn't get worse.  It just stopped instantly and completely.
[23:08] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: so then it didn't work
[23:08] <Daughain> jwill,  Ouch, which process?
[23:08] <pinkisntwell> so how do install kde 4.3.4 then?
[23:08] <Edo> mgt_: If this is true then I have this thing here... http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/miscellaneous/76-ethernet-bridging.html
[23:08] <Torch> pinkisntwell: see topic ;-)
[23:08] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: please run "aptitude search plasma | grep ^i" and paste the contents to some online paster thing.
[23:08] <jwill> pinkisntwell: What version do you currently have, anyways?
[23:08] <Nete> Daughain: Loud classic "Dies Aeire" blaring in my ears, what a sound :)
[23:09] <pinkisntwell> 4.3.2
[23:09] <Daughain> Nete,   There've ben a bunch of reports dealing with swap issues during hibernation.
[23:09] <Edo> mgt_: at the bottom of the page are the startup and down executables
[23:09] <Nete> Daughain: I see
[23:09] <luis_> i need help i am desesperated already! for some reason firefox download helper conversions are failing!!! but before christmas i could download and convert any song from flv to mp3 from youtube, whats happening people...!?
[23:09] <Edo> mgt_: the problem is I ddon't know how to implement them. The page is misleading.
[23:09] <Daughain> Nete,  Ya, its a bug, but I dont know if a fix is out yet.
[23:10] <Nete> Daughain: BTW how do you set a status in irc?
[23:10] <Daughain> Nete,  HUnh?
[23:10] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: http://pastebin.ca/1740784
[23:10] <Nete> Like * Daughain nods
[23:10] <Edo> mgt_: as for the network/interfaces file just refer back to the first link. That is how I have it setup, word for word.
[23:11] <Daughain> Thaqts not a status, thats an action, use ./me <action>
[23:11] <mgt_> Edo: What, as in you don't know how to run the Up and Down executables?
[23:11] <Nete> ./me test
[23:11] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: looks normal?
[23:11] <Nete> ./me <test>
[23:11] <Daughain> the . is a placeholder, remove it before typing.
[23:12] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: yeah looks ok, but you have less stuff installed than i do. but you are also on 4.3.2, i'm on 4.3.4
[23:12] <Edo> mgt_: those two files that I am to use, I don't know how to make them run automatically... or whatever. OR what directory they should be in.
[23:12] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: ok can you help me install 4.3.4?
[23:12]  * Nete <test>
[23:12] <Daughain> Nete,  Now remove the <> from your action.
[23:12] <Edo> mgt_: then again I am not sure if I am suppose to use those or not either....
[23:12] <mgt_> Edo: They should be in /etc/openvpn/
[23:12] <Nete> Daughain: Thanks for the help!
[23:13] <mgt_> Edo: You definitely do need to run them. They bring the bridged interfaces up and down.
[23:13] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: which version of kubuntu are you using? "cat /etc/lsb-release"
[23:13] <Daughain> Nete,  NP.
[23:13] <pinkisntwell> 9.10
[23:13] <Edo> mgt_: Okay, I'll add those now, and do a service restart on openvpn and see if that works. It should only take a minute.
[23:14] <mgt_> Make sure to run the "Up" script after you start the openVPN daemon.
[23:14] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: you should be able to upgrade with "sudo apt-get update &&  sudo apt-get upgrade"
[23:15] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: i think not
[23:15] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: i already tried that
[23:15]  * Daughain laughs.
[23:15] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: you may want to finish re-installing the other packages that were auto-removed first
[23:15] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: did you try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[23:15] <Torch> wankdanker: nah, he needs to add the kubuntu ppa first
[23:16] <pinkisntwell> Torch: ppa?
[23:16] <Torch> pinkisntwell: yep ;-)
[23:16] <pinkisntwell> Torch: what's that?
[23:16] <wankdanker> Torch: oh, i forgot that i might have added those.
[23:16] <wankdanker> Torch: i thought 4.3.4 was in karmic by default. sorry.
[23:16] <Torch> pinkisntwell:  http://pastebin.ca/1740792
[23:17] <pinkisntwell> Torch: extra repos?
[23:17] <Torch> pinkisntwell: yes, 4.3.4 is unofficial on karmic
[23:17] <Torch> pinkisntwell: so you need to add an extra repo for it
[23:17] <pinkisntwell> Torch: ok adding them now
[23:18] <pinkisntwell> first line gives no such file or directory
[23:18] <Torch> pinkisntwell: wait.. that wasn't for you to type ;-)
[23:18] <pinkisntwell> Torch: what was it then?
[23:18] <Torch> pinkisntwell: create a file with that name. it won't exist. and insert those two lines i cat'ted
[23:19] <Torch> pinkisntwell: as root, of course. then apt-get update.
[23:19] <pinkisntwell> Torch: oh sorry
[23:19] <pinkisntwell> Torch: thanks
[23:19] <Torch> pinkisntwell: np
[23:19] <kamola> i'll install kubuntu in 6 hours
[23:20] <kamola> do ya guys think my belkin g wireless adapter driver is included in the kernel?
[23:20] <kamola> sry
[23:20] <kamola> i'm just a real noob
[23:20] <Daughain> kamola,   Why wait so long to install?
[23:20] <kamola> but ni nwill support kubuntu as long i live
[23:20] <wankdanker> Torch: i have 4.3.4 without ppa, is it possible that it's in karmic backports?
[23:21] <kamola> i have only 768 kbit/s internet
[23:21] <Daughain> kamola,  Ouch........That sucs.
[23:21] <kamola> yes :|
[23:21] <pinkisntwell> what's a notepad-like text editor on kde?
[23:22] <kamola> but a friend told me that we'll become vdsl
[23:22] <Daughain> kwrite
[23:22] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: kate
[23:22] <comawhite> pinkisntwell: kate?
[23:22] <comawhite> kwrite?
[23:22] <kamola> and this would be enouigh for almost 1 year i think...
[23:22] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: kwrite is like notepad, kate is like notpad on steroids
[23:22] <Daughain> kwrite
[23:23] <Daughain> Or, gedit if you upgraded from ubuntu, instead of doing thr kubuntu instal. =)
[23:23] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: thanks
[23:23] <Edo> mgt_: nothing still
[23:23] <pinkisntwell> Torch: ok i created that file now what?
[23:23] <Daughain> kamola,  I feel your pain, I recently spent a month on dialup.
[23:23] <Daughain> Err....A year, sorry.
[23:23] <mgt_> Edo: Did you run the Up script?
[23:24]  * comawhite shudders at thought of being on dialup
[23:24] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: http://www.kubuntu.org/node/126
[23:24] <Daughain> rule #1  CHeck net access *befre* worrying about the lease. =)
[23:24] <kamola> it has been pretty ok for the last years
[23:24] <kamola> but now
[23:24] <kamola> i want to become a small linux nerd
[23:25] <comawhite> by the time you download KDE-4.3.4, KDE-4.4.4 will be released :P
[23:25] <Daughain> comawhite, lol.
[23:25] <kamola> ^^
[23:25] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: does that mean i should try apt-get update and upgrade?
[23:25] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: apparently as of yesterday, the 4.3.4 packages should be pulled from karmic backports
[23:25] <Edo> mgt_: how do I run an .sh script actually. This is where my skills show
[23:26] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: after ensuring that the backports line in your /etc/apt/sources.list is enabled
[23:27] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: either way if you use Torch's advice and use the ppa or use the advice from kubuntu.org, after you have the appropriate settings in /etc/apt/sources.list, you will need to apt-get update and upgrade
[23:27] <Daughain> kamola,  I;m a newb too, so I dunno the answer to your driver question, though, I would expect it to be.
[23:27] <mauri> how can i install msdos into pendrive
[23:27] <kamola> Daughain: i think it will work....
[23:28] <Daughain> mauri unet
[23:28] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: you may also need to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:28] <kamola> if it doesn't a buy another wifi stick
[23:28] <Daughain> kamola,  I expect it will.
[23:28] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: too late, i already started
[23:28] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: it's ok.
[23:28] <kamola> thx for help Daughain
[23:28] <pinkisntwell> it complains that some amarok packages are unauthenticated
[23:28] <pinkisntwell> what's that?
[23:28] <mauri> Daughain: unet?
[23:28] <Daughain> Oh, are youp using kubuntu 9.10?
[23:29] <Daughain> mauri,  google unet bootin
[23:29] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: those may be being pulled from the ppa
[23:29] <Edo> mgt_: I just tried to run it and I receive an error
[23:29] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: it's likely to be ok and will probably work, but are not official packages
[23:29] <pinkisntwell> ok upgrading now
[23:30] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: godspeed :)
[23:30] <mauri> Daughain: i've already tried it but it installs syslinux as bootloader and i want only dos to start at the start up...i dont know if it possibile
[23:30] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: i'm fast at the keyboard and slow in the head
[23:30] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: those two go together
[23:31] <Edo> mgt_: mtu: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[23:31] <Edo> mtu: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[23:31] <Edo> Incorrect number of arguments for command
[23:31] <Edo> Usage: brctl addif <bridge> <device>	add interface to bridge
[23:31] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: i hear you. i'm that way a lot of the time too. the good thing about apt is that you can usually work your way back to a working system if you mess anything up
[23:31] <FloodBotK1> Edo: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:31] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: it's got like a 100 packages lined up i hope more stuff don't break
[23:31] <Daughain> mauri, Hmmmmm DOS....Might try an autoexec.bat edit.
[23:31] <ubuntu> hiiiiiiiiiiiii
[23:31] <Edo> woops
[23:31] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: yeah, a lot of stuff is going to change going from 4.3.2 to 4.3.4, i hope it fixes!
[23:32] <Daughain> mauri, I dont remember how many decades its been since I messed around with dos.=)
[23:33] <mauri> Daughain: I know.... but it is only a trial in order to understand how to use fdsisk in linux
[23:33] <Daughain> Also, you will need to edit the BIOS boot settings before anything will boot off of USB.
[23:34] <Daughain> And,if the mobo doesnt support USB boot options, you wot be able to at all.
[23:34] <Daughain> wot==wont.
[23:34] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: going to make some milk until it downloads and hope it gets fixed so i don't bother you guys again
[23:35] <mauri> Daughain: yes yes i konw......tnk for youur time
[23:36] <Daughain> mauri,   Np, not sure how much help I was, though.
[23:37] <BixOun3y> COucou :)
[23:37] <BixOun3y> il ya peut etre personne qui me voit ?
[23:37] <Torch> pinkisntwell: 100 packages is rather normal for a kde minor upgrade in kubuntu
[23:38] <mauri> Daughain: do you know when will be releaseed a new kernel version for karmic?
[23:38] <Daughain> mauri,  No.....#ubunbtu would be a better place to ask about that.
[23:38] <Daughain> Err..#ubuntu
[23:38] <Edo> mgt_: still there?
[23:38] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: ok. i hope it works out for you. i
[23:40] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: when it's done do i need to restart?
[23:41] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: technically, probably not, but it might be a good idea. if you don't want to restart, i'd suggest at least doing /etc/init.d/kdm restart or service kdm restart (the new way)
[23:41] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: ok
[23:42] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: you're really helpful, thanks for going through the trouble to help me
[23:42] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: you are welcome. i know how it goes. :)
[23:44] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: i'm logging right now. i may log in again in a few hours and look for you if you still need help.
[23:45] <pinkisntwell> wankdanker: ok thanks for all the help
[23:45] <wankdanker> pinkisntwell: you bet! good luck.
[23:47] <Daughain> darkdelusions, I beleive sleep is calling. Peace.
[23:49] <Torch> pinkisntwell: so how's it going?
[23:49] <pinkisntwell> Torch: just finished installing 4.3.4
[23:49] <pinkisntwell> Torch: and the same thing happens
[23:49] <pinkisntwell> Torch: so...
[23:49] <Torch> pinkisntwell: and you did log out, restart x and log in again?
[23:50] <pinkisntwell> Torch: i did service kdm restart
[23:50] <Torch> pinkisntwell: that't basically the sam
[23:50] <Torch> e
[23:50] <Torch> pinkisntwell: oh well.
[23:50] <pinkisntwell> Torch: so it's well broken then
[23:50] <Torch> pinkisntwell: apparently yes, indeed.
[23:51] <pinkisntwell> Torch: so what am i gonna do now?
[23:51] <pinkisntwell> Torch: i don't feel like going through the trouble of installing again only to end up with the same problem
[23:51] <Torch> pinkisntwell: well... i'm out of ideas
[23:51] <Torch> pinkisntwell: reinstalling will take you ONE hour.
[23:51] <Edo> mgt_: still there?
[23:51] <Torch> pinkisntwell: how long have you fought this already?
[23:51] <pinkisntwell> Torch: yes but i will get the same problem right?
[23:52] <pinkisntwell> if you don't fix something it will come back
[23:52] <Torch> pinkisntwell: i see and understand your point. but the options are few.
[23:52] <pinkisntwell> Torch: actually reinstalling only to get the same problem is not an option
[23:53] <pinkisntwell> Torch: i think i'm just gonna install a different distro
[23:53] <pinkisntwell> let's take it to #kde
[23:53] <Dau`Gone> pinkisntwell,   Install Ubuntu, not kubuntu, then add kde4.3, that way you will still have gnome if you have any more kde problems.
[23:53] <Torch> pinkisntwell: #kde-chat, please
[23:56] <Dau`Gone> Night all.