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ericm_NCommander, yes, but as bjf said just the begining - there are a lot other need to be sorted out - far from complete00:10
NCommanderericm_, still, very promising to see things go upstream00:11
ericm_NCommander, yes - would be a lot easier for us00:12
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rippsAre we going to use kernel 2.6.33 in Lucid?11:23
crimsunno.11:41
weecolcan anyone recommend options for building and submitting builds via kernel.org source trees?12:45
hyperairweecol: what do you mean submitting builds?12:46
hyperairotherwise if you're looking for a suitable .config, you can get the ubuntu kernel packages and extract the /boot/config-<kernel version>.gz from it12:47
weecoldo i have to have priveliges to offer a build in ubuntu based on a kernel org tree for example, could this go in a development channel at my first stage of working on the kernel?12:48
hyperairi don't really understand what you mean here.12:50
weecolhow does one interact with testing to prepare a build for ultimate general release?12:50
hyperairi'm not sure actually (i'm not part of the kernel-team). the wiki page in the title should say something though12:50
weecolis there a path to submitting packages like the kernel for download from ubuntu repositories?12:52
hyperairfor packages in general, there's revu.12:53
hyperairhttp://revu.ubuntuwire.com/12:53
hyperairhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU12:54
hyperairbut for kernels it's best to bring up whatever issue in the kernel-team mailing list i would think12:54
weecolIf I want to create a deb package of the kernel from kernel org is there a page in the wiki about patching the kernel tree so that you can then create a candidate package for other people to test in kernel development under ubuntu?12:58
weecolbtw what is the ubuntu schedule for kernel normally?12:59
weecolis that something i can read some where else?12:59
weecolI am looking for some cummunity based development work I can join in with, what is the best approach for a collaborative manner of working?13:04
* hyperair pokes apw13:04
* apw looks confused13:04
weecolhoes he have more ideas on this then?13:05
* hyperair is very confused as well13:05
weecolam i not making sence?13:06
apwweecol, i am not sure how far back to read, whats the question?13:06
apware you asking if you can build and offer kernels to people as a 'personal thing" ?13:07
apwPPAs will build and allow distribution of kernels as for any other package13:07
* apw waits for weecol 13:09
weecolis there a set plan to the kernel program or do different people contribute different ideas and you get a diversity of idea for the testing teams to try and comment on?13:10
smbProbably the question is "how can I help to get upstream fixes into ubuntu kernels" for which more or less the answer is work together with upstream.13:10
apwweecol, people are free to contribute to the process of getting the kernel ready for a release, though few do so13:11
apwthe main interface for that is the kernel team email list13:11
weecolhope i haven't disturbed you too much.13:12
apwnot at all13:12
apwweecol, not sure if we have managed to answer your question13:12
weecolso if I want to look at some fix/feature in a release in upstream I can work with a group in that part of the development team?13:13
apwthe team is pretty small at the ubuntu level, we hang out here13:14
apwpeople wanting to help are always welcome13:14
smbRight, though writing to the mailing list has some advantages. For one people can look at it over time and it is less likely to be lost13:15
apwindeed13:15
weecolif I want to offer help but I want to help in more than one role is there any issues with that from what you can see?13:18
weecoli know I may have to manage my time and efforts like everyone would I can to everything.13:19
smbNot that I would see any. If you have a specific niche and can help there, why not13:20
apwindeed13:21
weecolhow does the upstream and other source of fixes and features get managed is there someone who can see which parts have changed in the current tree?13:23
weecolis there a svn repositry for development kernel trees?13:24
weecolin ubuntu?13:24
smbThere are git repos13:24
rtgweecol, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance13:25
weecolsomething gfor me to read13:26
smbweecol, when you look at the index (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KnowledgeBase) there is a whole bunch of things to help13:27
asacjjohansen: hey. jdstrand send me to you to ask about what commits from .32 apparmore would be good to backport to .3114:25
asacbackground: on arm we have .31 in lucid and want to ensure that we still deliver best apparmore experience ;)14:27
rackerhackeris this the right channel to inquire about the linux-ec2 kernel package?14:28
jjohansenasac: backporting individual commits from .32 will be kind of ugly, better to pull the whole thing14:29
rtgrackerhacker, jjohansen is the guy to ask. he may not be on yet.14:29
rackerhackerrtg: thanks - looks like both of you spoke at the same time ;)14:29
jjohansenasac: there is only one or two tweeks needed to have the .32 version run on .3114:30
rtgrackerhacker, xchat network lag :)14:30
rackerhackerhah14:30
rackerhackerjjohansen: when you have a moment, i have a question regarding linux-ec2 and compiling it from source14:31
rackerhackerno rush14:31
jjohansenrackerhacker: shoot, I am following a meeting atm but as long as you don't mind some lag now works14:31
rackerhackerjjohansen: i haven't had enough caffeine yet this morning, so i am a bit laggy as well14:32
jjohansenwhich source are you referring to, EC2 branch or using an upstream kernel14:32
rackerhackerjjohansen: i'm familiar with make-dpkg for standard debian/ubuntu kernels, but i'm still digging for the proper procedure to compile linux-ec2 using that ec2 kernel flaviour14:33
rackerhackerjjohansen: not upstream vanilla, i'm pulling the linux-ec2 source package itself14:33
jjohansenah well in that case it is basically just the upstream build14:33
jjohansenwhat kind of problems are you running into?14:34
rackerhackerwell, i'm wrestling with make-kpkg to get it to use the ec2 flavor14:34
rackerhackerto be completely honest, i'm used to compiling vanilla source all the time, but the debian/ubuntu build process throws me for a loop14:35
jjohansenhrmm, okay I have never used make-kpkg14:35
rackerhackerjjohansen: that's good to know - it's results are terrible so far ;)14:35
apwhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance i think is the place to find compile instructions14:36
rackerhackerdo you use the fakeroot debian/rules method?14:36
rtgrackerhacker, you're swimming upstream. have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance ?14:36
jjohansenrackerhacker: yep14:36
rackerhackeroh man, where was this page yesterday ;) this is exactly what i need14:36
* rackerhacker facepalms14:36
smbrtg, Do we have any bugs associated with the last three Karmic LBM updates? I believe to remember there is one for compat-wireless but can't remember which number...14:37
rtgsmb, not that I recall14:37
rackerhackerjjohansen: one last thing, and it might be somewhat trivial - would it be possible to rename the -ec2 tag to something else during the kernel build?14:37
rtgsmb, are you referring to a tracking bug?14:38
rackerhackerjjohansen: i don't work for amazon ;)14:38
smbrtg, yes14:38
rtgsmb, I have not created one.14:38
rackerhackerjjohansen: i've tried some basic hackery, but i've ended up causing more headaches14:39
smbrtg, Hm, I guess though it is "only" lbm, it might be nice for the sru14:40
smbrtg, I can do then14:40
smbrtg, Is there more reason for alsa updates than "offer the latest crack to people in need"?14:40
rtgsmb, not as far as I'm concerned.14:40
smbrtg, Ok, then I'll take that :)14:41
rtgsmb, LBM has always been best effort. at least now with the stable updates, we;re not as much at risk for totally braking things14:42
rtgbreaking*14:42
asacjjohansen: pull the whole thing?14:42
smbrtg, Right, its more to make it a bit more similar to the main kernel sru. And I believe we had those before. Gives the sru team a bit to read. 14:43
jjohansenrackerhacker: it should be possible, I haven't really looked at it so I can't say how to do it off the top of my head14:44
rackerhackerjjohansen: i figured it might be a little involved ;)14:45
asacjjohansen: could you send me some pointers to asac@ubuntu.com ?14:45
rtgjjohansen, rackerhacker: change the package name in debian.ec2/changelog ?14:45
jjohansenasac: that would be the easiest backport, since it lives in its own dir14:45
jjohansenrtg: yeah that was my guess, I have done that to add my own tag but wasn't sure if that was sufficient to drop ec2 from the whole build and package14:46
jjohansenasac: sure14:46
asacthx a bunch!!!14:47
rtgjjohansen, it'll like take some more hackery then that, but I can never remember until I actually have to do it.14:47
rtglikely*14:47
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rackerhackerrtg / jjohansen: thanks again for pointing me in the right direction14:51
* apw cries, reviewing stable updates is incredibly boriing14:58
rtgapw, and there is a slew of 'em14:59
smbapw, Really? >:-P14:59
apwbah i am 'just' doing your 31.7 and thats borigin enough14:59
* smb just completed 31.1014:59
smb(which admittedly were "only" 30 instead of 90)15:00
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rackerhackerjjohansen: with linux-source-ec2, what's the recommended way to make menuconfig?19:12
rackerhackerjjohansen: i tried 'debian.ec2/scripts/misc/kernelconfig editconfig', but it refuses to save my changes, and reverts to the old configs each time its run19:13
rackerhackers/its/it's/19:13
jjohansenreally?19:13
rackerhackeryeah, it surprised me, too19:14
jjohansenrackerhacker: it is what I have used19:14
jjohansenreackerhacker: if you are just doing it temporarily, you can do19:14
jjohansenfdr clean19:15
jjohansenfdr prepare19:15
jjohansenmake menuconfig O=debian.ec2/build19:15
jjohansenwhere fdr is fake debian root19:15
rackerhackeri'll give that a go19:18
rackerhackerjjohansen: the clean worked fine, but then the prepare threw an error -> http://pastie.org/76917119:19
jjohansenrackerhacker: sorry fdr prepare-ec219:27
rtgrackerhacker, try 'fakeroot debian/rules editconfigs' instead of calling the script directly.19:34
rackerhackerthanks rtg - i'll try that as it's still not saving19:35
rackerhackerhmm, still not saving... this is quite peculiar19:43
rackerhackereach time i run editconfigs, it reverts to the defaults19:43
rackerhackeri'm wondering if my build environment isn't right19:44
rackerhackeri'm going to quit bothering y'all and try to clean this up, start fresh ;)19:44
rtgrackerhacker, 'sudo apt-get build-deps linux-ec2' should get all of the tools you need.19:45
jjohansenrackerhacker: a few things to check, is there a stamp-prepare-ec2 in debian/stamps19:46
jjohansenif you edit the configs manually you will need to touch that file19:46
jjohansenother wise they get regenerated19:46
rackerhackerjjohansen: that may be what i'm missing19:47
rackerhackerby manually, do you mean via something like vim? or via menuconfig?19:47
jjohansenyeah19:47
jjohansenif you are use fdr, I don't think it should be necessary19:48
jjohansenas it should save the changes to debian.ec2, so the changes show up when the config file is generated19:49
rackerhackerto get the source, do you recommend using 'apt-get install linux-ec2-source' ?19:49
rackerhackeri was downloading the tar.gz from packages.ubuntu earlier19:49
rackerhackerwasn't sure if they were the same19:49
rtgrackerhacker, 'git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git'19:50
rtgthen 'git checkout -b ec2 origin/ec2'19:50
rackerhackerrtg: thanks, will try that next19:59
andrew[pkwrks]hi everyone... i'm wondering, where did all the kernel debuginfo packages go?21:39
andrew[pkwrks]they used to be at http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/, but now that is empty...21:39
andrew[pkwrks]where have the kernel debuginfo packages gone... does anybody know?22:15
smbandrew[pkwrks], I cannot say where they have gone, but I believe the place is right. Will need to investigate22:18

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