[01:09] <tonyyarusso> !logs | sparklehistory
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[01:10] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso, thanks!
[01:18]  * Takyoji annoys _diablo. "In which way were they forcing you to use it?" (as in, the reason, etc)
[01:20] <_diablo> Takyoji, the defaults
[01:20] <_diablo> they are set to a certain icon set.
[01:20] <_diablo> I assume you're referring to gnome icon set in ubuntu?
[01:20] <_diablo> let me clarify again that I don't hate ubuntu and I run it on a machine. I also recommend it a lot.
[01:22] <Takyoji> You already implied such yesterday. :P
[01:22] <Takyoji> I was curious of what application you were being forced to use
[01:28] <_diablo> maybe forced was a strong word for me to use.
[01:29] <_diablo> but the defaults are set to things and are more than annoying to change
[01:29] <_diablo> It just seems to be much easier and better for the linux community as a whole to adjust the upstream
[01:29] <_diablo> also, to leave all options available
[01:30] <_diablo> I was most discouraged by the ubuntu/empathy team (it may have been them and not y'all) when they prevented options such as choosing notifications
[01:31] <_diablo> purely for uniform aesthetics. If I would like something different, I want it customized. and there's no reason to prevent it, other than a distro/app thinking it knows better than I do.
[01:31] <Takyoji> Oversimplifying everything to make it "easier" for the general public?
[01:31] <_diablo> so I use pidgin :)
[01:31] <_diablo> Takyoji, I have no problem with very simple defaults and even simple preferences. but give me a gconf-editor way to change it or an advanced tab or something
[01:31] <_diablo> don't make it impossible without effing around with source code
[01:32] <_diablo> because that annoys me a lot. There's just no reason
[01:32] <Takyoji> yea
[01:32] <_diablo> there's no way my grandfather will "accidentally" install gconf-editor and tweak his notification time and break his system
[01:32] <_diablo> and if there is, then he deserves it :)
[01:32] <_diablo> I just like choice.
[01:32] <_diablo> it's why I run linux
[01:32] <_diablo> I hate being locked into something because someone else likes it
[01:33] <_diablo> but my Ayn Rand is showing, so I'll stop my rant :)
[01:33] <Takyoji> :P
[01:35] <_diablo> Takyoji, are you an ubuntu dev?
[01:35] <Takyoji> In terms of developing for Ubuntu, or developing on Ubuntu?
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> Or being a member of ~ubuntu-dev, more properly
[01:45] <Takyoji> Gah, I hate when vendors lack care for support of hardware on Linux
[01:45] <Takyoji> Despite the numerous ways they could have it created.
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> That's what the nukes are for.
[01:45] <Takyoji> Apparently I just received a call of someone trying to install drivers for an Alltel wireless card
[01:46] <Takyoji> on a Dell Mini 10v Ubuntu netbook
[01:48] <Takyoji> Apparently it works as an analog modem, thus supposedly would work
[01:51] <Takyoji> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/mandriva-30/has-anyone-installed-verizon-um150-usb-internet-access-in-mandriva-08-657010/
[01:51] <Takyoji> What would be the reason for #7?
[01:53] <Takyoji> First off, is anyone reading the channel at all?
[01:53] <_diablo> Takyoji, sorry, it doesn't ping unless by name, I meant, are you a member of the ubuntu development team
[01:53] <Takyoji> Not at all
[01:54] <_diablo> ah, okay, interesting
[01:58] <Takyoji> If it's honestly this dead for responses, I'm not entirely sure how swell it'll be for others trying to receive help
[01:59] <Takyoji> considering I don't think any new users would call everyone right by name if they needed help
[02:00] <Takyoji> So nobody else has even poked a stick at dialup-related things here?
[02:06] <Takyoji> Anyone know how to at least say "No"? :P
[02:10] <_diablo> no.
[02:10] <_diablo> :)
[02:10] <_diablo> sorry
[02:10] <_diablo> I check back every few minutes :/ I know though
[02:10] <_diablo> it would be very frusturating
[02:27] <_diablo> maybe we can have a list of people that want to answer questions at the end of the message at start of chat?
[02:27] <_diablo> also, does it really need to be as long as it is?
[02:27] <Takyoji> Gah, it kills me when I can't fully resolve a person's issue
[02:27] <_diablo> seems like a link to one site might be enough
[02:28] <Takyoji> Yea; that's all that would be necessary. :P
[02:28] <_diablo> still that mailing list Takyoji?
[02:29] <Takyoji> Hmm?
[02:29] <_diablo> can't resolve an issue on the mailing list?
[02:31] <Takyoji> Actually, we need to make our own special devices with a Linux-based firmware, controlled by a sophisticated custom network protocol, to control the shock of a cattle prod to shock anyone in this channel with if they're not responding.
[02:31] <_diablo> hahaha, I might disconnect that, we need to solder it to the motherboard too
[02:32] <Takyoji> Something similar to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_EPUXlyME
[02:38] <Takyoji> I think I'm probably not going to be able to sleep at night knowing there's another person unsupported..
[02:38] <_diablo> hahaha, that is hillarious. good share
[02:43] <Takyoji> There's always a handful of things that can function, but typically through fixing or setting up in an obscure way. It would be convenient if there was a simple Bash script repository or something of things to fix issues, without having to deal with the command line at all.
[02:44] <Takyoji> There also should be some basic wizard apps for simple tasks like getting pictures from a camera, or scanning an image.
[02:44] <Takyoji> For anyone who wants to scan an image, you get to scare them away with the mess of a UI of xsane.
[02:45] <Takyoji> and thus it bothers me that such things haven't even been developed yet (or at least very well)
[02:46] <_diablo> it's true..
[02:46] <_diablo> xsane is awful, but there's not much of a userbase either.
[02:46] <_diablo> L/
[02:46] <_diablo> :/
[02:46] <Takyoji> I have a feeling doing such wouldn't even be all that hard for a new Python developer either to make
[02:46] <_diablo> nope.
[02:47] <Takyoji> Almost anyone could make a simple wizard for copying files from one location to another..
[02:48] <Takyoji> And as a photographer, F-Spot isn't all that helpful (or at least for the way I work)
[02:48] <_diablo> no.
[02:48] <_diablo> have you tried digikam?
[02:48] <_diablo> it's nicer
[02:48] <Takyoji> It obviously doesn't have support for Nikon RAW and other commercial-level formats. (But there are tools available, like Rawstudio)
[02:48] <_diablo> imho
[02:48] <_diablo> the GIMP does that doesn't it?
[02:49] <Takyoji> For Nikon RAW it doesn't last I remember
[02:50] <Takyoji> *.nef is the file format
[02:51] <Takyoji> Another gripe I have is that for my SD card interface, it only mounts as read-only (even though the switch for being write-protected isn't enabled or anything)
[02:51] <_diablo> ah
[02:51] <_diablo> you mean by HAL?
[02:51] <_diablo> or even if you manually do so
[02:51] <_diablo> because you can change that in your fstab
[02:51] <Takyoji> And I used the "Safely remove hardware" option for unmounting an SD card last time, and has just completely turned it off entirely
[02:52] <Takyoji> I've tried manually with the mount command as well
[02:52] <Takyoji> Last time I mentioned it in this channel, someone implied it was something with the driver for SD card readers.
[02:53] <_diablo> ... that doesn't sound right
[02:53] <_diablo> I have a 16 gig sd card that I use _all_ the time
[02:53] <_diablo> what is the make of your card?
[02:53] <Takyoji> SanDisk
[02:54] <_diablo> hmmm, I can't say definitively, but my memorex and sony work great
[02:54] <Takyoji> 2GB and 256MB
[02:54] <_diablo> I seem to remember using sandisk effectively as well
[02:54] <Takyoji> I can read, but can't delete or anything
[02:54] <_diablo> yeah, I've used 2G, 16G, and 512M fine
[02:54] <_diablo> do you know how to manually umount and mount things?
[02:54] <_diablo> you should try that
[02:55] <_diablo> you'll have to do it entirely from a CLI
[02:55] <Takyoji> That's what I tried
[02:55] <_diablo> hmmm
[02:55] <Takyoji> and I've edited /etc/fstab
[02:55] <_diablo> (sorry if I sounded patronizing, you probably know more than me, just trying to help)
[02:55] <_diablo> really? and the switch is the right way, so that's not the problem.
[02:55] <Takyoji> It's fine, the point is you're trying to help
[02:55] <_diablo> have you tried it on other computers?
[02:56] <_diablo> i.e. do you know it's the card and not your comp?
[02:56] <Takyoji> Tried it on my other Ubuntu desktop and the same problem persists
[02:56] <Takyoji> But before 9.10 was installed on the other system, it worked just fine in terms of r/w
[02:56] <_diablo> hmmm. I would try it on another distro to make sure. Have you posted on mailing lists for sandisk?
[02:56] <_diablo> whoa. okay
[02:56] <_diablo> so it's either the new kernel or more likely something weird with ubuntu
[02:57] <_diablo> because the new kernel tends not to break things and is pretty back-compatible
[02:58] <Takyoji> regardless, my SD card interface is completely powered off (thus nothing will show in /dev/ for example if I try to simply put in an SD card; thus I shall do the typical ignorant-Windows-user-style-fix-the-problem method by rebooting my system. :P
[02:58] <_diablo> have you tried posting on #ubuntu?
[02:58] <_diablo> hahaha
[02:58] <_diablo> yeah, good luck
[02:58] <_diablo> sorry, my limited expertise is exhausted
[02:59] <Takyoji> Reason for the word "ignorant" is moreso in the implication of "just reboot it, it'll just make it work somehow" in the lines of taking no interest of fixing the source issue. :P
[02:59] <Takyoji> Anyway, returning in a minute
[03:05] <Takyoji> Obviously back now
[03:06] <Takyoji> Here's an example of a Nikon RAW file: http://aquaeden.com/DSC_6215.NEF
[03:06] <Takyoji> Note: apparently Firefox tried opening it in evince, however evince apparently only shows the thumbnail of the image rather than the full image itself
[03:06] <_diablo> hmmm
[03:06] <_diablo> odd
[03:06] <_diablo> yeah, no clue on that one
[03:07] <Takyoji> Aside from my point; the implication is that F-Spot supposedly doesn't recognize it at all
[03:09] <Takyoji> digiKam can read it
[03:09] <Takyoji> Well apparently F-Spot can as well; they must have added it recently or something
[03:11] <Takyoji> GIMP apparently can't though
[03:12] <Takyoji> Opens just a thumbnail of it
[03:13] <Takyoji> So evince and GIMP can't properly open Nikon Raw files (NEF; Nikon Enhanced Format), which F-Spot and digiKam can
[03:15] <Takyoji> Apparently the number of users in #ubuntu is 1337. :P
[03:23] <_diablo> hahaha
[03:23] <_diablo> that's pretty awesome
[03:28] <Takyoji> So I take it that you all are working together to secretly plan something for my birthday which happens to be in 2 days? Perhaps a surprise party with some Ubuntu devs invited? :P
[03:30] <_diablo> nah, it's not a secret, shuttleworth's plane ticket just got purchased
[03:31] <Takyoji> 18th birthday in fact.
[03:32] <Takyoji> So then I can finally be applicable to contract law, and sign a few non-disclosure forms! :P
[03:32] <_diablo> congrats!
[03:32] <_diablo> sigh. that is not appropriate free software talk
[03:32] <Takyoji> It's not for any software development firms or anything. :P
[03:33] <Takyoji> One is in regards of a movie
[03:33] <_diablo> that doesn't change anything...
[03:33] <_diablo> still free society. :)
[03:34] <Takyoji> So I should be freely able to disclose credentials to the DBs and so forth? :P
[03:34] <Takyoji> credentials of a database/SSH account/etc
[03:35] <_diablo> sigh. this is not the place for that argument, but I'll say yeah.
[03:35] <_diablo> </end argument>
[03:35] <_diablo> :)
[03:35] <Takyoji> If only deviantART allowed you to choose "No Attribution" for submissions in regards of the Creative Commons license
[03:36] <Takyoji> For a handful of stuff, I usually allow derivatives and commercial work of it
[03:36] <Takyoji> http://takyoji.deviantart.com/gallery/
[03:37] <Takyoji> Bah, watermarks; must remove at some point..
[03:37] <Takyoji> That was before I was aware of Creative Commons
[03:37] <_diablo> Takyoji: have you tried blender?
[03:37] <Takyoji> It would be nice if there was an option for Creative Commons Zero as well
[03:37] <Takyoji> I'm completely jumping ship to Blender.
[03:38] <Takyoji> I just haven't done much with it recently at all
[03:38] <_diablo> good. It's pretty :)
[03:38] <_diablo> but i gtg. west wing on full screen is too good :)
[03:39] <Takyoji> heh
[04:15]  * zomGreg likes takyoji's wallpapers. Did you make those?
[04:16] <Takyoji> I've made all of that
[04:16] <zomGreg> very nicely done
[04:16] <Takyoji> However it's fairly old work
[04:16] <Takyoji> I haven't added anything for like a year or so
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I poked a stick at dialup.  In 2005.  The only answer I have is "Ask the linmodems.org mailing list."
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I also had some weird issues with SD cards in 9.10 that I've never seen before.  It appears to be a kernel bug of some sort, but I'm not sure quite what.  I haven't seen them since I started using 2.6.32, but I also haven't done some of the things I had before since installing that, so I'm not sure.
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: GIMP can handle RAW files *if* you install an extra package for it.
[07:38] <_diablo> fwiw, I just tried my 16g sd card on 9.10 32 bit and it worked beautifully
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> !info gimp-dcraw
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> !info gimp-ufraw
[07:39] <ubot3`> gimp-dcraw: GIMP plug-in for loading RAW digital photos. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.31-1.1 (karmic), package size 9 kB, installed size 80 kB
[07:39] <ubot3`> gimp-ufraw: gimp importer for raw camera images. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.15-2ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 307 kB, installed size 892 kB
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> !info mrwtoppm-gimp
[07:39] <ubot3`> mrwtoppm-gimp: GIMP-plugin to support Minolta DiMAGE 5/7/7i RAW images. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1-2.2 (karmic), package size 107 kB, installed size 280 kB
[23:47] <Takyoji> So apparently I was filling out a simple form today for something in regards of school and so forth, and apparently noticed at the end there was a copyright notice implying that any form of reproduction of the sheet is unauthorized and will be penalized; and also implies a bounty of $100 for anyone that finds a person trying to copy the form.
[23:48] <Takyoji> Also in the extent of implying that the print is in beige, and if it's not, it's stolen, etc.
[23:50] <Takyoji> and it's just for a typical ordinary form; nothing substantial significant or notable about it..
[23:54] <Takyoji> Also for art class, the teacher has an assignment where students can choose an artist and write a short paper on them, and also recreate one of their famous works. Apparently any work by Edvard Munch is still withheld by copyright and isn't in the public domain at all.
[23:55] <Takyoji> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream
[23:55] <Takyoji> Made in 1893, but still held under copyright
[23:57] <Takyoji> It'll be finally in the public domain by 2015