| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, hi there :) | 00:06 |
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| HedgeMage | hi, dhillon-v10, have a good sleep? | 00:21 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, yup, I love sleeping :) were you working this whole time | 00:22 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: working, parenting, the usual :) | 00:22 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, nice, so yah i will get working on moving the issues over as bugs into the website project then and after that maybe assign one or two to myself (modules) | 00:23 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: awesome | 00:24 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, check this out, its awesome: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/computers | 00:24 |
| HedgeMage | heh, seen it :) | 00:27 |
| HedgeMage | cute, though | 00:27 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: edubuntu.frogandowl.org has a copy of the site on it. | 00:28 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: so we can work there. If I'm online, ping me to commit often please (ideally we should commit at least every time we close a ticket, but having me pull from the sandbox that won't work when I'm not around) | 00:29 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: pm me if you'd like to get my jabber info for when I close IRC (it can be distracting sometimes as I am weak-willed and prone to chitchat :P) | 00:30 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, what's the pace you would like to see, like one commit everyday closing an issue | 00:33 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: We want to get this done by the end of the month if we can manage to, but more importantly we want to get it *right*. So, it'll be done when it's done ;) | 00:36 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, alright, see i was asking because I have midterm exams by the end of January so I'll be a little busy there :) | 00:38 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: No worries, I'm a single mom, a business owner, and about to move to a different state -- I know what being busy is like ;) It'll be done when it's done. | 00:39 |
| HedgeMage | With three of us on the job it shouldn't be too bad. | 00:39 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, I'll try to get done with the tasks I assign myself before the end of next week :) that I can be sure about | 00:40 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: cool, thanks :) | 00:40 |
| sbalneav | Evening all | 01:58 |
| stgraber | good evening | 01:58 |
| HedgeMage | hi, sbalneav | 01:59 |
| HedgeMage | hi, stgraber | 01:59 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: did you see https://ltsp-control01.stgraber.org/loadbalancer/overview ? | 02:07 |
| stgraber | (feel free to drag&drop, nothing is actually saved) | 02:08 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: wow | 02:09 |
| sbalneav | this ajaxy stuff's always pretty cool. | 02:09 |
| stgraber | yep and really quite easy to implement ;) | 02:10 |
| sbalneav | There a patch editor for simple-patchsys? | 02:12 |
| sbalneav | like with cdbs I can say cdbs-edit-patch? | 02:12 |
| stgraber | not sure, I'm usually using dpatch or quilt, simple-patchsys always looked to me like a for loop doing patch -p0 ;) | 02:13 |
| sbalneav | ah, looks like you can use cdbs-edit-patch with simple-patchsys | 02:19 |
| sbalneav | I'm digging into the ritzen-flargen-rarble-noogen gksu problem | 02:19 |
| HedgeMage | ping: highvoltage | 02:49 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | ack | 03:01 |
| HedgeMage | Ahmuck-Jr: syn, then ack | 03:04 |
| * HedgeMage ducks | 03:04 | |
| Ahmuck-Jr | :) | 03:05 |
| sbalneav | gaaaar :( | 03:13 |
| * sbalneav hits gksu with a hammer | 03:13 | |
| stgraber | usually hitting things with a hammer doesn't make them work any better ;) | 03:17 |
| sbalneav | No, but it makes you FEEL SO MUCH BETTER | 03:20 |
| sbalneav | We'll see if this works | 03:21 |
| sbalneav | YAHHHhAHAHAHAHAHAHA | 03:38 |
| sbalneav | \o/ | 03:38 |
| * sbalneav dances a merry jig | 03:38 | |
| sbalneav | :D\-< | 03:39 |
| sbalneav | :D\-< | 03:39 |
| sbalneav | :D|-< | 03:39 |
| sbalneav | :D/-< | 03:39 |
| sbalneav | wheeehehehehe | 03:39 |
| HedgeMage | rofl | 03:43 |
| HedgeMage | Anyone know what time zone highvoltage is in? | 03:45 |
| sbalneav | he's in .za | 03:48 |
| sbalneav | in 3 weeks he'll be in est | 03:48 |
| HedgeMage | ahh, moving or visiting? | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | Moving | 04:02 |
| sbalneav | To .ca | 04:02 |
| sbalneav | Montreal | 04:02 |
| stgraber | Sherbrooke actually ;) | 04:03 |
| stgraber | (150km away from Montreal) | 04:04 |
| HedgeMage | Ahh. :) | 04:07 |
| sbalneav | argh | 04:14 |
| sbalneav | I keep forgetting that | 04:14 |
| sbalneav | Somehow I got it stuck in my mind you're in Montreal, and it keeps popping forward. | 04:15 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: Just posted a patch to Bug #501559 | 04:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 501559 in libgksu "libgksu fails to start many programs, fails with: assert g_str_has_prefix str != NULL" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501559 | 04:15 |
| HedgeMage | sbalneav: Nope, I'm in Illinois, USA soon to move to Indiana, USA | 04:17 |
| sbalneav | HedgeMage: heh, no sorry, that was for stgraber | 04:21 |
| sbalneav | You I knew were stateside. | 04:21 |
| HedgeMage | ahh, ok :) | 04:22 |
| sbalneav | Well, let's home mvo will take that patch. | 04:26 |
| sbalneav | hope | 04:26 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: so you cherry-picked what you needed of the forkpty option and just dropped the ifdef for these ? | 04:31 |
| sbalneav | Well, mvo said the reason why they wanted to get rid of the forkpty was because of... hold on lemme find the bug... | 04:33 |
| sbalneav | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535544 | 04:34 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 535544 in libgksu "libgksu 2.0.12 & tty_tickets does not match" [Normal,Fixed] | 04:34 |
| sbalneav | tty_tickets | 04:34 |
| sbalneav | since forkpty generates a new pty | 04:34 |
| sbalneav | so, the forkpty way runs a sudo -v first, just to get a ticket | 04:35 |
| sbalneav | then uses g_spawn_sync to actually run the command you want to run. | 04:35 |
| sbalneav | WITHOUT forkpty being defined | 04:35 |
| sbalneav | it was trying to just run the command, instead of the sudo -v | 04:35 |
| sbalneav | but it doesn't do ANY handling of stdout/stderr | 04:35 |
| sbalneav | so, the command dies with EPIPE | 04:36 |
| sbalneav | I'm figuring that wasn't the intent of the original change | 04:36 |
| sbalneav | rather, they just wanted to read/write to the sudo -v without forkpty | 04:36 |
| sbalneav | so, I basically just had to remove a couple of overzealous #ifdef's | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | and have the first execv run the verify command, instead of the real command. | 04:37 |
| stgraber | cool, let's hope we'll have that uploaded soon (so we have sabayon working for alpha-2) | 04:40 |
| sbalneav | humm | 04:49 |
| sbalneav | might still have a problem... | 04:49 |
| sbalneav | arrgh :( | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | so, get this. | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | gksu works great if I run it from a terminal now. | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | if it's launched from a .desktop | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | nothing. | 04:51 |
| * sbalneav cries. | 04:52 | |
| sbalneav | maybe.... maybe.... | 05:09 |
| HedgeMage | poor sbalneav | 05:13 |
| * HedgeMage hugs | 05:13 | |
| sbalneav | got it now | 05:19 |
| HedgeMage | cool | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | now it works from the .desktop file. | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | yeesh | 05:19 |
| HedgeMage | I'm trying to decide whether I should attempt to code what I need to code, or assume I'm too sleepy to do it right. | 05:19 |
| HedgeMage | I need to be up for another 45 min at least, though. | 05:19 |
| HedgeMage | (Mom has to bring food to a work function tomorrow and I need to put out the coffee cake to rise then) | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | I was planning on doing other things tonight, but I've spent 4 hours going crosseyed over this. | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | Mmmm coffee cake | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | Night all, too tired to hack on. | 05:44 |
| HedgeMage | good night, sbalneav | 05:46 |
| rigderunner7 | anyone up for trying to help me figure out usb mount issues | 05:50 |
| === Ahmuck-Jr_ is now known as Ahmuck-Jr | ||
| HedgeMage | In case anyone is interested, Nick kindly handed over control of the edubuntu identi.ca group to me, so if you see spam let me know and I'll quash it | 06:25 |
| alkisg | I'm using dl-ubuntu-test-iso to rsync the Lucid live CDs. I have FLAVORS="ubuntu kubuntu edubuntu" in my config file, but for edubuntu I'm not getting anything. Any clues? | 11:09 |
| === alkisg is now known as alkisg_live | ||
| firestorm | Hi there. Trying to get x11vnc working to connect to ltsp clients. Used the following guide and have disabled ufw/firehol but get connection refused. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients I can confirm that x11vnc process is running once client has booted up. Thoughts? | 13:07 |
| alkisg_live | firestorm: have you considered using italc instead? It provides client autodetection/viewing/controlling out of the box.. | 13:09 |
| firestorm | alkisg_live: do i install it into the ltsp chroot or just in the edubuntu ltsp server base? | 13:10 |
| alkisg_live | firestorm: just on the ltsp server: sudo apt-get install italc-master | 13:11 |
| alkisg_live | But do remove any other apps using port 5900 before that. | 13:11 |
| alkisg_live | (you _can_ make it use another port if required...) | 13:11 |
| firestorm | guessing that i don't have to rebuild the ltsp-image afterwards? | 13:11 |
| alkisg_live | Do you have x11vnc installed on the chroot? | 13:12 |
| firestorm | alkisg_live: i do | 13:12 |
| alkisg_live | Is it using 5900? You'd better remove it and update the chroot before installing iTalc... | 13:12 |
| firestorm | alkisg_live: ok so i'll make sure that x11vnc is not running in the chroot and will rebuild the ltsp client img | 13:12 |
| alkisg_live | Sounds like a plan :) | 13:13 |
| firestorm | will let ya know in a few mins ;) | 13:14 |
| dgroos | Good Morn All | 13:32 |
| dgroos | alkisg: ran the script and have csv of all users--so slick! I could even click on the header and it would alpha in that column. Not even user-admin can do that :) | 13:34 |
| alkisg | firestorm: how did it go? | 13:35 |
| dgroos | hmmm maybe better re-enter this comment (thought you were on line): alkisg: ran the script and have csv of all users--so slick! I could even click on the header and it would alpha in that column. Not even user-admin can do that :) | 13:37 |
| firestorm | alkisg: wow ... it worked! | 13:37 |
| alkisg | dgroos: thanks - so in the next sch-script version, you'll be in charge of english proofreading the tools ;) :D | 13:38 |
| dgroos | I'm guessing there will be an issue when I try to import the users into the other setup--the first user on both systems has the same name. What should I do? | 13:38 |
| dgroos | For sure! Shoot it my way :) | 13:39 |
| alkisg | dgroos: remove that first user from the csv, so that all other uid stay the same | 13:39 |
| dgroos | Right. | 13:39 |
| alkisg | dgroos: then, using a backup of that csv, remove all other users except that first one - so that he'll get an account with the same password etc, but unfortunately with a different uid/gid... | 13:39 |
| firestorm | alkisg: italc is amazingly impressive !!! | 13:40 |
| alkisg | firestorm: some times, on some configurations, it has problems, like hanging etc. But usually it works, and it's really good :) | 13:41 |
| dgroos | alkisg: so you're saying... what on which server? | 13:42 |
| alkisg | dgroos: all tasks on the new server: | 13:43 |
| alkisg | Create 3 replicas of the csv: (1) the original, (2) without the first user, (3) with *just* the first user | 13:43 |
| dgroos | OK do I have to do the import of first user as It's already on the new server? | 13:44 |
| alkisg | And, always on the new server, import the csv #2 first, and the csv #3 after that. | 13:44 |
| alkisg | dgroos: no, you don't have to - it would just create another user with the same password etc | 13:44 |
| alkisg | So if you already have that user, just skip the #3 csv | 13:44 |
| dgroos | Right. | 13:45 |
| dgroos | So now, can I just copy the home directories then? (I say hopefully :)) | 13:45 |
| alkisg | dgroos: better do that *after* importing the users | 13:46 |
| dgroos | Sure, that's what I meant. | 13:46 |
| alkisg | As some tools break the uids/gids when the users don't exist.. | 13:46 |
| alkisg | There's a how-to in the ubuntu wiki for backup/restore using tar if you don't know what commands to use | 13:47 |
| dgroos | Excellent, I'll use it. Now, time for me to put on my teacher hat and assess student work/learning :) Thanks again for your help, alkisg. I'll let you know how it goes. Have a good afternoon/evening. | 13:50 |
| === alkisg_ is now known as alkisg | ||
| * alkisg just installed edubuntu lucid and will be in and out for some time... | 13:52 | |
| firestorm | alkisg: the remote control feature doesn't seem to work or the window demo ... everything else seems good tho | 14:02 |
| alkisg | firestorm: is it easy to restart everything, including the server? if not, could you logout from the "teacher" account and login again? | 14:04 |
| firestorm | yup i'll restart everything | 14:04 |
| firestorm | alkisg: restarting is quite easy when the edubuntu server is one virtualbox and the client is another virtualbox :) | 14:06 |
| firestorm | alkisg: playing around with edubuntu/ltsp/pxe all in VMs | 14:06 |
| alkisg | Heh... I also use vbox for testing | 14:06 |
| firestorm | yeah the pxe network support is good ... performance is reasonable for a laptop without VM extensions - makes qemu a non-option | 14:06 |
| alkisg | The new feature that implements bridging with packet injection makes network configuration soooo easy... | 14:06 |
| firestorm | alkisg: yup i'm using it with a br0 | 14:07 |
| alkisg | Why do you have a br0? | 14:07 |
| firestorm | alkisg: to have a fake network for comms between server and client ... i also give the server access to a real bridge so that it can bring in pkgs | 14:08 |
| firestorm | alkisg: i would have thought a '/usr/bin/ica &' in rc.local would have auto started it but perhaps not | 14:09 |
| alkisg | firestorm: I also have communication between server & clients with no br0. Italc-master (=ica) is autostarted on logon, so no need to put it in rc.local | 14:10 |
| firestorm | what starts italc-master? can't see it in /etc/init.d | 14:10 |
| alkisg | /etc/xdg/autostart/ | 14:11 |
| alkisg | It's a per-session thing | 14:11 |
| alkisg | So if the students haven't logged on, you can't really "see" their PCs | 14:11 |
| firestorm | alkisg: still no demo ... student VM shows 'establishing connection to 127.0.0.1:5858 ... ' repeatedly | 14:14 |
| firestorm | 5858 is open | 14:14 |
| alkisg | 5858? Why?! | 14:15 |
| firestorm | alkisg: no idea? | 14:15 |
| alkisg | firestorm: rebooting to fix my resolution, please wait if you want... | 14:16 |
| alkisg_ | Woah, loading evolution/firefox/empathy took more time than for the system to boot! Way to go, Lucid! | 14:18 |
| alkisg_ | firestorm: try this from the "teacher" account: avahi-browse -trp _italc._tcp | 14:20 |
| alkisg_ | What do you get? | 14:20 |
| firestorm | alkisg_: i don't have a teacher account | 14:25 |
| alkisg_ | firestorm: the "teacher" account is an ordinary account that belongs to the "admin" group, so that it has access to the italc ssh keys | 14:26 |
| alkisg_ | He can run italc, while "students" (not in the admin group) can't | 14:26 |
| alkisg_ | I'm just using those terms to seperate between those 2 types of accounts, you don't actually need an account named "teacher"... | 14:27 |
| firestorm | alkisg_: gotcha ... pasted output into privmsg window | 14:28 |
| alkisg_ | firestorm: are you sitting on ltsp221? Is there some other client logged on? | 14:29 |
| firestorm | alkisg_: different user (that I am in control of) (non-admin) logged in | 14:30 |
| alkisg_ | firestorm: there should be 2 entries of italc there, I can only see one. Which one is missing? The teacher's or the student's? | 14:31 |
| firestorm | alkisg_: teacher wasn't logged into ldm ... logging in now | 14:31 |
| alkisg_ | (sorry for insisting on calling them teacher/student but it makes it easier for my not-so-fluent English... :)) | 14:32 |
| firestorm | works for me :) | 14:32 |
| firestorm | alkisg_: both users are now logged in but i don't seem to have any additional avahi-browser output | 14:34 |
| alkisg_ | firestorm: ps -ef | grep ica => is ica running for the teacher? | 14:35 |
| alkisg_ | If not: ica-launcher | 14:35 |
| alkisg_ | (it's a daemon, it won't finish, just leave it running...) | 14:35 |
| firestorm | alkisg_: that did the trick | 14:37 |
| firestorm | demo works now | 14:38 |
| firestorm | wonde why i had to manually run 'ica-launcher' as teacher? | 14:38 |
| firestorm | actually i did a quick chgrp admin teacher/key ... maybe that is why ica wasn't running | 14:39 |
| firestorm | remote control now works ... but is too slow to be usable yet | 14:41 |
| alkisg_ | Yes it uses some not-so-good calculations for the controlling/demo speed... it'll supposedly be better in 2.0 which will hopefully be released this year. | 14:43 |
| firestorm | gotcha | 14:47 |
| firestorm | u a dev for it? | 14:47 |
| alkisg_ | Nope. Sent some small patches, but that was all. | 14:47 |
| firestorm | fair enough | 14:47 |
| firestorm | anyway i'd better try to get 4 hours sleep before work...thanks hugely for your patience and helping me get through it ... greatly appreciated | 14:48 |
| alkisg_ | You're welcome - hope it works OK for you | 14:49 |
| firestorm | alkisg_: np night! | 14:51 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 15:00 |
| alkisg_ | Hey Scotty! | 15:01 |
| sbalneav | mvo's looking at my gksu patch right now | 15:36 |
| sbalneav | Hope we can get this put to bed for alpha-2 | 15:36 |
| * sbalneav crosses fingers | 15:36 | |
| HedgeMage | highvolt1ge: ping | 17:10 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, hi :) what's up | 19:42 |
| moldy | alkisg: ping | 19:47 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: Not much...just working. | 19:48 |
| alkisg | Hey moldy | 20:03 |
| moldy | alkisg: did you want to discuss anything tcm-related? just asking because i saw you in #lns and Lns pinged me :) | 20:06 |
| alkisg | Not exactly... I asked around if anyone could propose me of some easy way to do RPCs. I had in my mind ssh + python-pyinotify. Lns told me that you had such a method in tcm, but I suppose he meant the pgrep && cat /proc/pid/environ && get display etc script, right? | 20:08 |
| moldy | alkisg: possible | 20:09 |
| moldy | alkisg: i think xmlrpc is fairly easy in python | 20:09 |
| alkisg | But that won't work for remote systems (non-ltsp workstations) | 20:09 |
| moldy | alkisg: especially with twisted | 20:09 |
| moldy | alkisg: pgrep etc? yes, it's a hack | 20:10 |
| alkisg | moldy: I need authentication, that's why I thought of using ssh.... | 20:10 |
| moldy | alkisg: we just use it for now, until we have something better :) | 20:10 |
| alkisg | How would I authenticate with xmlrpc? | 20:10 |
| moldy | alkisg: ssl | 20:10 |
| alkisg | It becomes complicated... while ssh client echo "command" > file is a one-liner | 20:11 |
| moldy | true | 20:11 |
| moldy | it depends on the circumstances | 20:11 |
| moldy | what do you need the communication for? | 20:11 |
| Lns | moldy: alkisg: yanqui and i were talking about this yesterday | 20:11 |
| alkisg | If I were to give some days or even weeks on the whole mechanism, I'd probably use telepathy for that instead | 20:11 |
| Lns | he seems to think that a simple pipe via an ssh socket would be absolutely fine for just about anything | 20:12 |
| alkisg | avahi, xmpp, tubes etc, all useful for teacher/student collaboration | 20:12 |
| alkisg | Lns: I want the command to execute from within the session, i.e. to have the whole user environment, session dbus etc. | 20:12 |
| Lns | mkfifo, echo, etc.. just need ssh keys generated in the chroot, which might be able to be integrated into ltsp-update-*-keys or whatnot | 20:12 |
| alkisg | So I can't just execute it with ssh, I need a listener AFAIK... | 20:12 |
| moldy | Lns: yes, it probably is. i am not fond of doing low-level socket stuff in C, though. | 20:12 |
| alkisg | Lns: mkfifo? that sounds interesting... | 20:13 |
| Lns | alkisg: when you're talking about dbus and all that, sbalneav has some things to say about that | 20:13 |
| alkisg | Lns: I haven't mentioned dbus | 20:13 |
| Lns | alkisg: session dbus | 20:13 |
| alkisg | I don't think it's suitable for RPC, it's only for local systems | 20:13 |
| alkisg | I don't want to use it. But whatever command I'll run, might want to use it. | 20:14 |
| Lns | hmm | 20:14 |
| moldy | at least it's not often used for remote stuff, not sure if it can be used in principle | 20:14 |
| alkisg | E.g. to logoff the client, you need to talk to the session dbus | 20:14 |
| Lns | hold on...was renewing my car registration online ;) | 20:14 |
| moldy | alkisg: i still don't know what your requirements are, though :) | 20:15 |
| alkisg | moldy: I want to use it as a generic mechanism for the teacher to be able to execute commands on the students | 20:15 |
| alkisg | E.g. "launch that page on firefox", "add that panel applet", "show that video" etc | 20:15 |
| moldy | alkisg: and the students are remote workstations? or user sessions on the same machine? or both? | 20:15 |
| alkisg | Both, I'd like to use it on both LTSP and non-LTSP installations (or even mixed ones) | 20:16 |
| alkisg | ssh + a listener would work in all those cases... | 20:16 |
| alkisg | Simple, maybe even naive, but I can't see any real downsides... :-/ | 20:16 |
| moldy | right. i don't think it really is much simpler than xmlrpc+ssl, though. but maybe that is just me :) | 20:17 |
| Lns | alkisg: what's wrong with using italc for that stuff? isn't that geared for everything you're talking about anyway? | 20:17 |
| alkisg | Lns, I can't script italc to open a video. The teacher would have to type that command. | 20:17 |
| Lns | you can't use italc to execute commands on the remote machine? | 20:18 |
| alkisg | I can, but I can't *script* it | 20:18 |
| alkisg | In my sch-scripts, the teacher would be shown a GUI with 3 tabs: users, pcs, files | 20:18 |
| Lns | e.g. mplayer path/to/video | 20:18 |
| alkisg | Say for example that he wants to broadcast a video | 20:18 |
| alkisg | He'd have to launch vlc in the teacher pc in broadcast mode, and in all the students in receive mode | 20:18 |
| alkisg | The command for that is quite lengthy. It'd be better if he just had a "right click > broadcast" option | 20:19 |
| alkisg | That's what I want to script with the sch-scripts. | 20:19 |
| alkisg | And I can't do that with iTalc. I asked the developer if he'd accept patches for such a thing, of course *if* the code quality was OK. | 20:19 |
| alkisg | I didn't get an answer... | 20:19 |
| Lns | hrm | 20:20 |
| Lns | isn't stgraber working on italc? | 20:20 |
| alkisg | I also asked stgraber about this, didn't get an answer either | 20:20 |
| Lns | hmm | 20:20 |
| alkisg | I don't think he has enough time to invest in iTalc | 20:20 |
| alkisg | But even in that case, iTalc won't have an "embedded nautilus". sch-scripts will. | 20:21 |
| alkisg | So, "select 3 files and 3 folders, right click and select "send to this group of students"" will be possible | 20:21 |
| Lns | i know this isn't what you'r egoing for but doesn't mplayer do broadcasting? | 20:21 |
| alkisg | vlc is better for broadcasting. It's just difficult to set it up, that's why I'm looking for a script to automate the whole thing | 20:22 |
| alkisg | So I'd like to have maybe 100 scripts for simple tasks like these, organized under a simple python GUI with the 3 tabs I said.. | 20:22 |
| * HedgeMage peeks in | 20:23 | |
| alkisg | Hi HedgeMage :) | 20:23 |
| HedgeMage | hi, alkisg | 20:24 |
| alkisg | We've already made the code to parse the .desktop files that describe the commands, and construct the menus from them (according to the xdg specs) | 20:24 |
| alkisg | We also have the code for some dozens of scripts, but we'd like to double them | 20:24 |
| alkisg | I hope we'll have something ready for Lucid, in a PPA. | 20:24 |
| HedgeMage | So last night I looked at how to migrate website tasks/issues to LP. It looks like we cannot add issues to a group, though, we need to add them to the edubuntu-website project, and to manage them we need highvolt1ge to somehow link the two? | 20:26 |
| HedgeMage | I haven't used lp much so I'm not sure how it's all organized. | 20:26 |
| moldy | alkisg: what is sch-scripts? | 20:27 |
| alkisg | moldy: https://launchpad.net/sch-scripts | 20:28 |
| alkisg | bbiab | 20:28 |
| moldy | alkisg: btw, if anyone with some python knowledge has some spare time, we could use some help on tcm if we want to get it ready for lucid ;) | 20:28 |
| moldy | i don't know how much time yanqui currently has on his hands | 20:28 |
| moldy | and btw, right now, it should be quite easy to grasp the code | 20:29 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, what we can do here is to manually copy over everything in those bugs, and then set their importance and status using the lp standards, I think :) | 20:34 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: my question was more whether I am correct that you can't post bugs to a group, you have to do it to the project? | 20:36 |
| alkisg | Lns, moldy: do you have any plans to make tcm work in non-ltsp environments? | 20:39 |
| Lns | alkisg: maybe, but it'd be more of an afterthought I think... | 20:40 |
| Lns | or a 'hey this works in non-ltsp stuff too!' thing ;) | 20:41 |
| alkisg | Yup, thought so... so we can't really join forces, the projects have similar goals but will work in different ways. | 20:43 |
| Lns | sure.. of course I'm sure we can help each other out with the 2 separate projects | 20:44 |
| alkisg | Sure, we have a lot of tasks in common. | 20:45 |
| alkisg | Lns: but do give some thought on fat client support ;) | 20:46 |
| alkisg | Lucid will have fat clients out of the box... | 20:46 |
| Lns | oh of course, yes | 20:46 |
| alkisg | Fat clients are essentially the same as standalone workstations | 20:46 |
| Lns | yep | 20:46 |
| Lns | of course, with fat clients we're talking about LTSP in a much different way | 20:47 |
| Lns | i wish the terminology was a bit more clear | 20:47 |
| Lns | but whatever =) it works so i can't complain one bit! | 20:48 |
| alkisg | Right, that's why I was thinking that a more generic way to handle clients is required | 20:48 |
| Lns | yeah | 20:48 |
| Lns | i understand that point of view completely | 20:48 |
| Lns | and it's a growing point of view for sure | 20:48 |
| alkisg | A "daemon" running on the clients makes ltsp clients almost the same as any other clients | 20:48 |
| alkisg | (listener) | 20:48 |
| Lns | i guess i'm just not in the loop, because 1) I'm still on 8.04, and 2) thin clients have a great use-case for low-energy (i.e. not able to DO fat-client stuff) computing | 20:49 |
| Lns | right, which is why i brought up the reverse-ssh pipe where you can pretty much dump anything into it from the server | 20:49 |
| Lns | if it's in the chroot it shouldn't matter whether you're thin/fat | 20:49 |
| alkisg | The bad with the the ssh channel is that it's outside of the user session | 20:50 |
| Lns | no, that's good because you can handle clients that aren't logged in | 20:50 |
| alkisg | True, but that's only good for administering the PC | 20:50 |
| Lns | you could do it either way though | 20:50 |
| Lns | i don't see a way of being able to do both with one method | 20:50 |
| Lns | ianap though either | 20:51 |
| alkisg | Correct, that's why I use both methods, i.e. ssh + daemon | 20:51 |
| alkisg | (*want* to use 2 methods - I only have the ssh keys setup ready for now) | 20:51 |
| Lns | yeah | 20:52 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, sorry for the late reply and I misunderstood that part, you are right the bugs go with a project :) | 20:57 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: Ahh, okay. I wish there were a way we could set up a branch, tag, or release so we could isolate issues related to the redesign | 20:58 |
| HedgeMage | dhillon-v10: I think we need highvolt1ge for that, though | 20:59 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, that's where we can make a new tag, and apply that new tag for every issue related to redesign | 20:59 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, not sure, I think we can do this without him, but would like for highvolt1ge to look over this | 21:00 |
| HedgeMage | ok | 21:02 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, off to sleep, I don't have any homework today so I can transfer all the issues over to launchpad, and then you can look over them :) | 21:02 |
| HedgeMage | awesome, thanks dhillon-v10 | 21:03 |
| dhillon-v10 | HedgeMage, np | 21:03 |
| dgroos | alkisg ping | 22:00 |
| alkisg_ | dgroos: pong :) | 22:00 |
| dgroos | So, starting where we left off... I started the new server, ready to put the csv on it and run your cool script. | 22:01 |
| alkisg_ | And? | 22:02 |
| dgroos | (sorry, I was just finishing up helping some students) Well, I did ifconfig and it only showed the lo? | 22:03 |
| alkisg_ | You have a networking problem? | 22:03 |
| dgroos | Yea, I think so... | 22:03 |
| dgroos | I don't think I've got access to the network. | 22:04 |
| dgroos | I looked at the /etc/network/interfaces | 22:04 |
| dgroos | and I better check back to see what it was... end of day exhaustion... | 22:05 |
| alkisg_ | dgroos: try with ifconfig -a | 22:05 |
| alkisg_ | dgroos: and also, lspci -nn | grep Ethernet | 22:06 |
| dgroos | and it lists all 3 interfaces, lo, eth0 and eth1 | 22:06 |
| dgroos | OK | 22:06 |
| dgroos | good, all are now listed. | 22:07 |
| dgroos | I don't see on that is set to broadcast ips | 22:07 |
| alkisg_ | dgroos: on servers, it's usually better to set up static IPs in /etc/network/interfaces | 22:07 |
| dgroos | OK, I can find out how to do that for the port that goes to the wan, how about the one broadcasting ip's to the thin clients? | 22:09 |
| alkisg_ | It's on the same file | 22:09 |
| dgroos | I'll check and see what my Jaunty /etc/network/interfaces file says and emulate that, sure? | 22:11 |
| alkisg_ | Yup | 22:11 |
| dgroos | Thanks! | 22:11 |
| dgroos | OK did that and restarted machine. ifconfig show it has the info I put in but it isn't broadcasting ip addresses? | 22:30 |
| alkisg_ | dgroos: what do you mean "broadcasting"? | 22:30 |
| dgroos | I mean to say, handing out ip addresses to machines that are connected to it and are requesting them. | 22:31 |
| alkisg_ | What internal IP did you use? 192.168.0.1 ? | 22:31 |
| dgroos | I hooked up my laptop to both ports and it isn't getting an address. | 22:31 |
| dgroos | yes | 22:31 |
| alkisg_ | Did you restart the server? | 22:32 |
| dgroos | yes | 22:32 |
| alkisg_ | What's the output of: sudo service dhcp3-server status | 22:32 |
| dgroos | unrecognized service (but isn't karmic using dnmasq or something?) | 22:33 |
| alkisg_ | Not by default | 22:33 |
| alkisg_ | How did you install ltsp? | 22:34 |
| dgroos | Well, all I've done so far is do a fresh install with the help of your fine script which put the live CD up for PXE booting. | 22:35 |
| alkisg_ | Ah, so you haven't installed ltsp yet... | 22:35 |
| alkisg_ | Then you need to run `sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone` and ltsp-build-client afterwards | 22:35 |
| alkisg_ | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall#Installing%20on%20top%20of%20an%20already%20running%20desktop%20system | 22:37 |
| dgroos | So I've just run the edubuntu install from live CD. I'm thinking I better go back to the manual :) I'll do the above then go to the install pages. Thanks for your help again. | 22:37 |
| dgroos | :D | 22:37 |
| dgroos | I think I did check F4 at install time and didn't see the 'Install an LTSP server option' | 22:38 |
| alkisg_ | That's only available if you select "text mode installation" first | 22:39 |
| alkisg_ | (I think) | 22:39 |
| alkisg_ | I hope stgraber and highvolt1ge will get the live-ltsp + installation part ready in time for Lucid ... | 22:40 |
| dgroos | alkisg: I'm trying to install ltsp software. I can access the internet with Firefox, but can't ping google.com with Terminal. I can ping our district web page, however. Any idea? | 22:54 |
| alkisg_ | dgroos: probably your /etc/resolv.conf | 22:58 |
| alkisg_ | highvolt1ge: a bug with the fat client script: I have edubuntu installed, and instead of "break"ing on line 22, it "return"s, so it doesn't install anything. | 22:59 |
| dgroos | Thanks, it doesn't look right. I'll check how my other one looks. Thanks :) | 22:59 |
| alkisg_ | highvolt1ge: so you should probably change that "return" to a "break" | 22:59 |
| dgroos | alkisg: both the old and the new server have the same nameserver. The old server (currently in use) has only the nameserver line, the new server that I'm setting up has a 'search' and 'domain' line as well (though both say, 'example.com'. | 23:03 |
| alkisg_ | dgroos: also, are you using a proxy to access the internet? | 23:05 |
| dgroos | Well, the old server is running a squid proxy server but I thought that was only for the thin clients. I was able to access the internet on the new server with Firefox, but not with Terminal... | 23:07 |
| alkisg_ | dgroos: does synaptic work? Can you install ltsp-server-standalone from there? | 23:09 |
| alkisg_ | Hey, edubuntu doesn't have evolution by default? Wow... | 23:10 |
| alkisg_ | Anyway, it's late here, goodnight all... | 23:12 |
| dgroos | Yea, works great. Thanks for the idea. I'm confused, why can't Terminal get out onto the internet? | 23:12 |
| dgroos | Thanks for your help! | 23:12 |
| dgroos | G'night. | 23:12 |
| alkisg_ | dgroos: see if an "http_proxy" variable exists in your environment, if it does, it breaks internet connectivity, it's a known bug, so you should unset it before using apt-get. OK, bye :) | 23:13 |
| highvolt1ge | HedgeMage: pong | 23:14 |
| HedgeMage | highvolt1ge: okay, I'm just getting used to LP again... it seems that the edubuntu-website project needs to be tied to the group somehow? and is there some way to make a branch/component/whatever to put all the upgrade/redesign issues in to keep them together? | 23:16 |
| HedgeMage | highvolt1ge: you own it so it seems like you have to handle whatever needs doing :) | 23:16 |
| === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage | ||
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: I made you an administrator yesterday, I think you should have rights to do pretty much anything | 23:18 |
| highvoltage | also, it's past 1am and I'm having trouble parsing that sentence (sorry that I haven't paid that much attention to IRC today) | 23:19 |
| HedgeMage | oh, sorry | 23:19 |
| highvoltage | no :) | 23:19 |
| highvoltage | I *think* we need to make an "edubuntu" "product" on LP and link the site project to it | 23:20 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: I know I'm an admin on the group, but I was wondering about the project https://edge.launchpad.net/edubuntu-website which is what I think we need to organize an issue queue | 23:20 |
| HedgeMage | I haven't used LP in about 4 years, though | 23:21 |
| highvoltage | you can already file bugs against edubuntu-website | 23:21 |
| highvoltage | isn't that what we want? | 23:21 |
| HedgeMage | yes, but I was wondering if there is a way to make a category or something just for the redesign so we can group those issues together | 23:21 |
| HedgeMage | not sure what LP supports | 23:21 |
| highvoltage | it supports tags though | 23:21 |
| highvoltage | it's not the most elegant of ways to do it, but issues could be marked with tags to make them easier to search | 23:22 |
| HedgeMage | ok | 23:22 |
| HedgeMage | that can work then | 23:22 |
| highvoltage | I think there might be more focussed ways, I think their all crude though, I think it's possible to create different development focusses (an LP concept) which you can target | 23:23 |
| highvoltage | I'll check on that tomorrow morning and get back to you on that as well | 23:23 |
| HedgeMage | ok, no rush | 23:24 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 23:24 |
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