[00:06] HedgeMage, hi there :) [00:21] hi, dhillon-v10, have a good sleep? [00:22] HedgeMage, yup, I love sleeping :) were you working this whole time [00:22] dhillon-v10: working, parenting, the usual :) [00:23] HedgeMage, nice, so yah i will get working on moving the issues over as bugs into the website project then and after that maybe assign one or two to myself (modules) [00:24] dhillon-v10: awesome [00:24] HedgeMage, check this out, its awesome: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/computers [00:27] heh, seen it :) [00:27] cute, though [00:28] dhillon-v10: edubuntu.frogandowl.org has a copy of the site on it. [00:29] dhillon-v10: so we can work there. If I'm online, ping me to commit often please (ideally we should commit at least every time we close a ticket, but having me pull from the sandbox that won't work when I'm not around) [00:30] dhillon-v10: pm me if you'd like to get my jabber info for when I close IRC (it can be distracting sometimes as I am weak-willed and prone to chitchat :P) [00:33] HedgeMage, what's the pace you would like to see, like one commit everyday closing an issue [00:36] dhillon-v10: We want to get this done by the end of the month if we can manage to, but more importantly we want to get it *right*. So, it'll be done when it's done ;) [00:38] HedgeMage, alright, see i was asking because I have midterm exams by the end of January so I'll be a little busy there :) [00:39] dhillon-v10: No worries, I'm a single mom, a business owner, and about to move to a different state -- I know what being busy is like ;) It'll be done when it's done. [00:39] With three of us on the job it shouldn't be too bad. [00:40] HedgeMage, I'll try to get done with the tasks I assign myself before the end of next week :) that I can be sure about [00:40] dhillon-v10: cool, thanks :) [01:58] Evening all [01:58] good evening [01:59] hi, sbalneav [01:59] hi, stgraber [02:07] sbalneav: did you see https://ltsp-control01.stgraber.org/loadbalancer/overview ? [02:08] (feel free to drag&drop, nothing is actually saved) [02:09] stgraber: wow [02:09] this ajaxy stuff's always pretty cool. [02:10] yep and really quite easy to implement ;) [02:12] There a patch editor for simple-patchsys? [02:12] like with cdbs I can say cdbs-edit-patch? [02:13] not sure, I'm usually using dpatch or quilt, simple-patchsys always looked to me like a for loop doing patch -p0 ;) [02:19] ah, looks like you can use cdbs-edit-patch with simple-patchsys [02:19] I'm digging into the ritzen-flargen-rarble-noogen gksu problem [02:49] ping: highvoltage [03:01] ack [03:04] Ahmuck-Jr: syn, then ack [03:04] * HedgeMage ducks [03:05] :) [03:13] gaaaar :( [03:13] * sbalneav hits gksu with a hammer [03:17] usually hitting things with a hammer doesn't make them work any better ;) [03:20] No, but it makes you FEEL SO MUCH BETTER [03:21] We'll see if this works [03:38] YAHHHhAHAHAHAHAHAHA [03:38] \o/ [03:38] * sbalneav dances a merry jig [03:39] :D\-< [03:39] :D\-< [03:39] :D|-< [03:39] :D/-< [03:39] wheeehehehehe [03:43] rofl [03:45] Anyone know what time zone highvoltage is in? [03:48] he's in .za [03:48] in 3 weeks he'll be in est [03:50] ahh, moving or visiting? [04:02] Moving [04:02] To .ca [04:02] Montreal [04:03] Sherbrooke actually ;) [04:04] (150km away from Montreal) [04:07] Ahh. :) [04:14] argh [04:14] I keep forgetting that [04:15] Somehow I got it stuck in my mind you're in Montreal, and it keeps popping forward. [04:15] stgraber: Just posted a patch to Bug #501559 [04:15] Launchpad bug 501559 in libgksu "libgksu fails to start many programs, fails with: assert g_str_has_prefix str != NULL" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501559 [04:17] sbalneav: Nope, I'm in Illinois, USA soon to move to Indiana, USA [04:21] HedgeMage: heh, no sorry, that was for stgraber [04:21] You I knew were stateside. [04:22] ahh, ok :) [04:26] Well, let's home mvo will take that patch. [04:26] hope [04:31] sbalneav: so you cherry-picked what you needed of the forkpty option and just dropped the ifdef for these ? [04:33] Well, mvo said the reason why they wanted to get rid of the forkpty was because of... hold on lemme find the bug... [04:34] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535544 [04:34] Debian bug 535544 in libgksu "libgksu 2.0.12 & tty_tickets does not match" [Normal,Fixed] [04:34] tty_tickets [04:34] since forkpty generates a new pty [04:35] so, the forkpty way runs a sudo -v first, just to get a ticket [04:35] then uses g_spawn_sync to actually run the command you want to run. [04:35] WITHOUT forkpty being defined [04:35] it was trying to just run the command, instead of the sudo -v [04:35] but it doesn't do ANY handling of stdout/stderr [04:36] so, the command dies with EPIPE [04:36] I'm figuring that wasn't the intent of the original change [04:36] rather, they just wanted to read/write to the sudo -v without forkpty [04:37] so, I basically just had to remove a couple of overzealous #ifdef's [04:37] and have the first execv run the verify command, instead of the real command. [04:40] cool, let's hope we'll have that uploaded soon (so we have sabayon working for alpha-2) [04:49] humm [04:49] might still have a problem... [04:51] arrgh :( [04:51] so, get this. [04:51] gksu works great if I run it from a terminal now. [04:51] if it's launched from a .desktop [04:51] nothing. [04:52] * sbalneav cries. [05:09] maybe.... maybe.... [05:13] poor sbalneav [05:13] * HedgeMage hugs [05:19] got it now [05:19] cool [05:19] now it works from the .desktop file. [05:19] yeesh [05:19] I'm trying to decide whether I should attempt to code what I need to code, or assume I'm too sleepy to do it right. [05:19] I need to be up for another 45 min at least, though. [05:20] (Mom has to bring food to a work function tomorrow and I need to put out the coffee cake to rise then) [05:20] I was planning on doing other things tonight, but I've spent 4 hours going crosseyed over this. [05:20] Mmmm coffee cake [05:44] Night all, too tired to hack on. [05:46] good night, sbalneav [05:50] anyone up for trying to help me figure out usb mount issues === Ahmuck-Jr_ is now known as Ahmuck-Jr [06:25] In case anyone is interested, Nick kindly handed over control of the edubuntu identi.ca group to me, so if you see spam let me know and I'll quash it [11:09] I'm using dl-ubuntu-test-iso to rsync the Lucid live CDs. I have FLAVORS="ubuntu kubuntu edubuntu" in my config file, but for edubuntu I'm not getting anything. Any clues? === alkisg is now known as alkisg_live [13:07] Hi there. Trying to get x11vnc working to connect to ltsp clients. Used the following guide and have disabled ufw/firehol but get connection refused. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients I can confirm that x11vnc process is running once client has booted up. Thoughts? [13:09] firestorm: have you considered using italc instead? It provides client autodetection/viewing/controlling out of the box.. [13:10] alkisg_live: do i install it into the ltsp chroot or just in the edubuntu ltsp server base? [13:11] firestorm: just on the ltsp server: sudo apt-get install italc-master [13:11] But do remove any other apps using port 5900 before that. [13:11] (you _can_ make it use another port if required...) [13:11] guessing that i don't have to rebuild the ltsp-image afterwards? [13:12] Do you have x11vnc installed on the chroot? [13:12] alkisg_live: i do [13:12] Is it using 5900? You'd better remove it and update the chroot before installing iTalc... [13:12] alkisg_live: ok so i'll make sure that x11vnc is not running in the chroot and will rebuild the ltsp client img [13:13] Sounds like a plan :) [13:14] will let ya know in a few mins ;) [13:32] Good Morn All [13:34] alkisg: ran the script and have csv of all users--so slick! I could even click on the header and it would alpha in that column. Not even user-admin can do that :) [13:35] firestorm: how did it go? [13:37] hmmm maybe better re-enter this comment (thought you were on line): alkisg: ran the script and have csv of all users--so slick! I could even click on the header and it would alpha in that column. Not even user-admin can do that :) [13:37] alkisg: wow ... it worked! [13:38] dgroos: thanks - so in the next sch-script version, you'll be in charge of english proofreading the tools ;) :D [13:38] I'm guessing there will be an issue when I try to import the users into the other setup--the first user on both systems has the same name. What should I do? [13:39] For sure! Shoot it my way :) [13:39] dgroos: remove that first user from the csv, so that all other uid stay the same [13:39] Right. [13:39] dgroos: then, using a backup of that csv, remove all other users except that first one - so that he'll get an account with the same password etc, but unfortunately with a different uid/gid... [13:40] alkisg: italc is amazingly impressive !!! [13:41] firestorm: some times, on some configurations, it has problems, like hanging etc. But usually it works, and it's really good :) [13:42] alkisg: so you're saying... what on which server? [13:43] dgroos: all tasks on the new server: [13:43] Create 3 replicas of the csv: (1) the original, (2) without the first user, (3) with *just* the first user [13:44] OK do I have to do the import of first user as It's already on the new server? [13:44] And, always on the new server, import the csv #2 first, and the csv #3 after that. [13:44] dgroos: no, you don't have to - it would just create another user with the same password etc [13:44] So if you already have that user, just skip the #3 csv [13:45] Right. [13:45] So now, can I just copy the home directories then? (I say hopefully :)) [13:46] dgroos: better do that *after* importing the users [13:46] Sure, that's what I meant. [13:46] As some tools break the uids/gids when the users don't exist.. [13:47] There's a how-to in the ubuntu wiki for backup/restore using tar if you don't know what commands to use [13:50] Excellent, I'll use it. Now, time for me to put on my teacher hat and assess student work/learning :) Thanks again for your help, alkisg. I'll let you know how it goes. Have a good afternoon/evening. === alkisg_ is now known as alkisg [13:52] * alkisg just installed edubuntu lucid and will be in and out for some time... [14:02] alkisg: the remote control feature doesn't seem to work or the window demo ... everything else seems good tho [14:04] firestorm: is it easy to restart everything, including the server? if not, could you logout from the "teacher" account and login again? [14:04] yup i'll restart everything [14:06] alkisg: restarting is quite easy when the edubuntu server is one virtualbox and the client is another virtualbox :) [14:06] alkisg: playing around with edubuntu/ltsp/pxe all in VMs [14:06] Heh... I also use vbox for testing [14:06] yeah the pxe network support is good ... performance is reasonable for a laptop without VM extensions - makes qemu a non-option [14:06] The new feature that implements bridging with packet injection makes network configuration soooo easy... [14:07] alkisg: yup i'm using it with a br0 [14:07] Why do you have a br0? [14:08] alkisg: to have a fake network for comms between server and client ... i also give the server access to a real bridge so that it can bring in pkgs [14:09] alkisg: i would have thought a '/usr/bin/ica &' in rc.local would have auto started it but perhaps not [14:10] firestorm: I also have communication between server & clients with no br0. Italc-master (=ica) is autostarted on logon, so no need to put it in rc.local [14:10] what starts italc-master? can't see it in /etc/init.d [14:11] /etc/xdg/autostart/ [14:11] It's a per-session thing [14:11] So if the students haven't logged on, you can't really "see" their PCs [14:14] alkisg: still no demo ... student VM shows 'establishing connection to 127.0.0.1:5858 ... ' repeatedly [14:14] 5858 is open [14:15] 5858? Why?! [14:15] alkisg: no idea? [14:16] firestorm: rebooting to fix my resolution, please wait if you want... [14:18] Woah, loading evolution/firefox/empathy took more time than for the system to boot! Way to go, Lucid! [14:20] firestorm: try this from the "teacher" account: avahi-browse -trp _italc._tcp [14:20] What do you get? [14:25] alkisg_: i don't have a teacher account [14:26] firestorm: the "teacher" account is an ordinary account that belongs to the "admin" group, so that it has access to the italc ssh keys [14:26] He can run italc, while "students" (not in the admin group) can't [14:27] I'm just using those terms to seperate between those 2 types of accounts, you don't actually need an account named "teacher"... [14:28] alkisg_: gotcha ... pasted output into privmsg window [14:29] firestorm: are you sitting on ltsp221? Is there some other client logged on? [14:30] alkisg_: different user (that I am in control of) (non-admin) logged in [14:31] firestorm: there should be 2 entries of italc there, I can only see one. Which one is missing? The teacher's or the student's? [14:31] alkisg_: teacher wasn't logged into ldm ... logging in now [14:32] (sorry for insisting on calling them teacher/student but it makes it easier for my not-so-fluent English... :)) [14:32] works for me :) [14:34] alkisg_: both users are now logged in but i don't seem to have any additional avahi-browser output [14:35] firestorm: ps -ef | grep ica => is ica running for the teacher? [14:35] If not: ica-launcher [14:35] (it's a daemon, it won't finish, just leave it running...) [14:37] alkisg_: that did the trick [14:38] demo works now [14:38] wonde why i had to manually run 'ica-launcher' as teacher? [14:39] actually i did a quick chgrp admin teacher/key ... maybe that is why ica wasn't running [14:41] remote control now works ... but is too slow to be usable yet [14:43] Yes it uses some not-so-good calculations for the controlling/demo speed... it'll supposedly be better in 2.0 which will hopefully be released this year. [14:47] gotcha [14:47] u a dev for it? [14:47] Nope. Sent some small patches, but that was all. [14:47] fair enough [14:48] anyway i'd better try to get 4 hours sleep before work...thanks hugely for your patience and helping me get through it ... greatly appreciated [14:49] You're welcome - hope it works OK for you [14:51] alkisg_: np night! [15:00] Morning all [15:01] Hey Scotty! [15:36] mvo's looking at my gksu patch right now [15:36] Hope we can get this put to bed for alpha-2 [15:36] * sbalneav crosses fingers [17:10] highvolt1ge: ping [19:42] HedgeMage, hi :) what's up [19:47] alkisg: ping [19:48] dhillon-v10: Not much...just working. [20:03] Hey moldy [20:06] alkisg: did you want to discuss anything tcm-related? just asking because i saw you in #lns and Lns pinged me :) [20:08] Not exactly... I asked around if anyone could propose me of some easy way to do RPCs. I had in my mind ssh + python-pyinotify. Lns told me that you had such a method in tcm, but I suppose he meant the pgrep && cat /proc/pid/environ && get display etc script, right? [20:09] alkisg: possible [20:09] alkisg: i think xmlrpc is fairly easy in python [20:09] But that won't work for remote systems (non-ltsp workstations) [20:09] alkisg: especially with twisted [20:10] alkisg: pgrep etc? yes, it's a hack [20:10] moldy: I need authentication, that's why I thought of using ssh.... [20:10] alkisg: we just use it for now, until we have something better :) [20:10] How would I authenticate with xmlrpc? [20:10] alkisg: ssl [20:11] It becomes complicated... while ssh client echo "command" > file is a one-liner [20:11] true [20:11] it depends on the circumstances [20:11] what do you need the communication for? [20:11] moldy: alkisg: yanqui and i were talking about this yesterday [20:11] If I were to give some days or even weeks on the whole mechanism, I'd probably use telepathy for that instead [20:12] he seems to think that a simple pipe via an ssh socket would be absolutely fine for just about anything [20:12] avahi, xmpp, tubes etc, all useful for teacher/student collaboration [20:12] Lns: I want the command to execute from within the session, i.e. to have the whole user environment, session dbus etc. [20:12] mkfifo, echo, etc.. just need ssh keys generated in the chroot, which might be able to be integrated into ltsp-update-*-keys or whatnot [20:12] So I can't just execute it with ssh, I need a listener AFAIK... [20:12] Lns: yes, it probably is. i am not fond of doing low-level socket stuff in C, though. [20:13] Lns: mkfifo? that sounds interesting... [20:13] alkisg: when you're talking about dbus and all that, sbalneav has some things to say about that [20:13] Lns: I haven't mentioned dbus [20:13] alkisg: session dbus [20:13] I don't think it's suitable for RPC, it's only for local systems [20:14] I don't want to use it. But whatever command I'll run, might want to use it. [20:14] hmm [20:14] at least it's not often used for remote stuff, not sure if it can be used in principle [20:14] E.g. to logoff the client, you need to talk to the session dbus [20:14] hold on...was renewing my car registration online ;) [20:15] alkisg: i still don't know what your requirements are, though :) [20:15] moldy: I want to use it as a generic mechanism for the teacher to be able to execute commands on the students [20:15] E.g. "launch that page on firefox", "add that panel applet", "show that video" etc [20:15] alkisg: and the students are remote workstations? or user sessions on the same machine? or both? [20:16] Both, I'd like to use it on both LTSP and non-LTSP installations (or even mixed ones) [20:16] ssh + a listener would work in all those cases... [20:16] Simple, maybe even naive, but I can't see any real downsides... :-/ [20:17] right. i don't think it really is much simpler than xmlrpc+ssl, though. but maybe that is just me :) [20:17] alkisg: what's wrong with using italc for that stuff? isn't that geared for everything you're talking about anyway? [20:17] Lns, I can't script italc to open a video. The teacher would have to type that command. [20:18] you can't use italc to execute commands on the remote machine? [20:18] I can, but I can't *script* it [20:18] In my sch-scripts, the teacher would be shown a GUI with 3 tabs: users, pcs, files [20:18] e.g. mplayer path/to/video [20:18] Say for example that he wants to broadcast a video [20:18] He'd have to launch vlc in the teacher pc in broadcast mode, and in all the students in receive mode [20:19] The command for that is quite lengthy. It'd be better if he just had a "right click > broadcast" option [20:19] That's what I want to script with the sch-scripts. [20:19] And I can't do that with iTalc. I asked the developer if he'd accept patches for such a thing, of course *if* the code quality was OK. [20:19] I didn't get an answer... [20:20] hrm [20:20] isn't stgraber working on italc? [20:20] I also asked stgraber about this, didn't get an answer either [20:20] hmm [20:20] I don't think he has enough time to invest in iTalc [20:21] But even in that case, iTalc won't have an "embedded nautilus". sch-scripts will. [20:21] So, "select 3 files and 3 folders, right click and select "send to this group of students"" will be possible [20:21] i know this isn't what you'r egoing for but doesn't mplayer do broadcasting? [20:22] vlc is better for broadcasting. It's just difficult to set it up, that's why I'm looking for a script to automate the whole thing [20:22] So I'd like to have maybe 100 scripts for simple tasks like these, organized under a simple python GUI with the 3 tabs I said.. [20:23] * HedgeMage peeks in [20:23] Hi HedgeMage :) [20:24] hi, alkisg [20:24] We've already made the code to parse the .desktop files that describe the commands, and construct the menus from them (according to the xdg specs) [20:24] We also have the code for some dozens of scripts, but we'd like to double them [20:24] I hope we'll have something ready for Lucid, in a PPA. [20:26] So last night I looked at how to migrate website tasks/issues to LP. It looks like we cannot add issues to a group, though, we need to add them to the edubuntu-website project, and to manage them we need highvolt1ge to somehow link the two? [20:26] I haven't used lp much so I'm not sure how it's all organized. [20:27] alkisg: what is sch-scripts? [20:28] moldy: https://launchpad.net/sch-scripts [20:28] bbiab [20:28] alkisg: btw, if anyone with some python knowledge has some spare time, we could use some help on tcm if we want to get it ready for lucid ;) [20:28] i don't know how much time yanqui currently has on his hands [20:29] and btw, right now, it should be quite easy to grasp the code [20:34] HedgeMage, what we can do here is to manually copy over everything in those bugs, and then set their importance and status using the lp standards, I think :) [20:36] dhillon-v10: my question was more whether I am correct that you can't post bugs to a group, you have to do it to the project? [20:39] Lns, moldy: do you have any plans to make tcm work in non-ltsp environments? [20:40] alkisg: maybe, but it'd be more of an afterthought I think... [20:41] or a 'hey this works in non-ltsp stuff too!' thing ;) [20:43] Yup, thought so... so we can't really join forces, the projects have similar goals but will work in different ways. [20:44] sure.. of course I'm sure we can help each other out with the 2 separate projects [20:45] Sure, we have a lot of tasks in common. [20:46] Lns: but do give some thought on fat client support ;) [20:46] Lucid will have fat clients out of the box... [20:46] oh of course, yes [20:46] Fat clients are essentially the same as standalone workstations [20:46] yep [20:47] of course, with fat clients we're talking about LTSP in a much different way [20:47] i wish the terminology was a bit more clear [20:48] but whatever =) it works so i can't complain one bit! [20:48] Right, that's why I was thinking that a more generic way to handle clients is required [20:48] yeah [20:48] i understand that point of view completely [20:48] and it's a growing point of view for sure [20:48] A "daemon" running on the clients makes ltsp clients almost the same as any other clients [20:48] (listener) [20:49] i guess i'm just not in the loop, because 1) I'm still on 8.04, and 2) thin clients have a great use-case for low-energy (i.e. not able to DO fat-client stuff) computing [20:49] right, which is why i brought up the reverse-ssh pipe where you can pretty much dump anything into it from the server [20:49] if it's in the chroot it shouldn't matter whether you're thin/fat [20:50] The bad with the the ssh channel is that it's outside of the user session [20:50] no, that's good because you can handle clients that aren't logged in [20:50] True, but that's only good for administering the PC [20:50] you could do it either way though [20:50] i don't see a way of being able to do both with one method [20:51] ianap though either [20:51] Correct, that's why I use both methods, i.e. ssh + daemon [20:51] (*want* to use 2 methods - I only have the ssh keys setup ready for now) [20:52] yeah [20:57] HedgeMage, sorry for the late reply and I misunderstood that part, you are right the bugs go with a project :) [20:58] dhillon-v10: Ahh, okay. I wish there were a way we could set up a branch, tag, or release so we could isolate issues related to the redesign [20:59] dhillon-v10: I think we need highvolt1ge for that, though [20:59] HedgeMage, that's where we can make a new tag, and apply that new tag for every issue related to redesign [21:00] HedgeMage, not sure, I think we can do this without him, but would like for highvolt1ge to look over this [21:02] ok [21:02] HedgeMage, off to sleep, I don't have any homework today so I can transfer all the issues over to launchpad, and then you can look over them :) [21:03] awesome, thanks dhillon-v10 [21:03] HedgeMage, np [22:00] alkisg ping [22:00] dgroos: pong :) [22:01] So, starting where we left off... I started the new server, ready to put the csv on it and run your cool script. [22:02] And? [22:03] (sorry, I was just finishing up helping some students) Well, I did ifconfig and it only showed the lo? [22:03] You have a networking problem? [22:03] Yea, I think so... [22:04] I don't think I've got access to the network. [22:04] I looked at the /etc/network/interfaces [22:05] and I better check back to see what it was... end of day exhaustion... [22:05] dgroos: try with ifconfig -a [22:06] dgroos: and also, lspci -nn | grep Ethernet [22:06] and it lists all 3 interfaces, lo, eth0 and eth1 [22:06] OK [22:07] good, all are now listed. [22:07] I don't see on that is set to broadcast ips [22:07] dgroos: on servers, it's usually better to set up static IPs in /etc/network/interfaces [22:09] OK, I can find out how to do that for the port that goes to the wan, how about the one broadcasting ip's to the thin clients? [22:09] It's on the same file [22:11] I'll check and see what my Jaunty /etc/network/interfaces file says and emulate that, sure? [22:11] Yup [22:11] Thanks! [22:30] OK did that and restarted machine. ifconfig show it has the info I put in but it isn't broadcasting ip addresses? [22:30] dgroos: what do you mean "broadcasting"? [22:31] I mean to say, handing out ip addresses to machines that are connected to it and are requesting them. [22:31] What internal IP did you use? 192.168.0.1 ? [22:31] I hooked up my laptop to both ports and it isn't getting an address. [22:31] yes [22:32] Did you restart the server? [22:32] yes [22:32] What's the output of: sudo service dhcp3-server status [22:33] unrecognized service (but isn't karmic using dnmasq or something?) [22:33] Not by default [22:34] How did you install ltsp? [22:35] Well, all I've done so far is do a fresh install with the help of your fine script which put the live CD up for PXE booting. [22:35] Ah, so you haven't installed ltsp yet... [22:35] Then you need to run `sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone` and ltsp-build-client afterwards [22:37] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall#Installing%20on%20top%20of%20an%20already%20running%20desktop%20system [22:37] So I've just run the edubuntu install from live CD. I'm thinking I better go back to the manual :) I'll do the above then go to the install pages. Thanks for your help again. [22:37] :D [22:38] I think I did check F4 at install time and didn't see the 'Install an LTSP server option' [22:39] That's only available if you select "text mode installation" first [22:39] (I think) [22:40] I hope stgraber and highvolt1ge will get the live-ltsp + installation part ready in time for Lucid ... [22:54] alkisg: I'm trying to install ltsp software. I can access the internet with Firefox, but can't ping google.com with Terminal. I can ping our district web page, however. Any idea? [22:58] dgroos: probably your /etc/resolv.conf [22:59] highvolt1ge: a bug with the fat client script: I have edubuntu installed, and instead of "break"ing on line 22, it "return"s, so it doesn't install anything. [22:59] Thanks, it doesn't look right. I'll check how my other one looks. Thanks :) [22:59] highvolt1ge: so you should probably change that "return" to a "break" [23:03] alkisg: both the old and the new server have the same nameserver. The old server (currently in use) has only the nameserver line, the new server that I'm setting up has a 'search' and 'domain' line as well (though both say, 'example.com'. [23:05] dgroos: also, are you using a proxy to access the internet? [23:07] Well, the old server is running a squid proxy server but I thought that was only for the thin clients. I was able to access the internet on the new server with Firefox, but not with Terminal... [23:09] dgroos: does synaptic work? Can you install ltsp-server-standalone from there? [23:10] Hey, edubuntu doesn't have evolution by default? Wow... [23:12] Anyway, it's late here, goodnight all... [23:12] Yea, works great. Thanks for the idea. I'm confused, why can't Terminal get out onto the internet? [23:12] Thanks for your help! [23:12] G'night. [23:13] dgroos: see if an "http_proxy" variable exists in your environment, if it does, it breaks internet connectivity, it's a known bug, so you should unset it before using apt-get. OK, bye :) [23:14] HedgeMage: pong [23:16] highvolt1ge: okay, I'm just getting used to LP again... it seems that the edubuntu-website project needs to be tied to the group somehow? and is there some way to make a branch/component/whatever to put all the upgrade/redesign issues in to keep them together? [23:16] highvolt1ge: you own it so it seems like you have to handle whatever needs doing :) === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [23:18] HedgeMage: I made you an administrator yesterday, I think you should have rights to do pretty much anything [23:19] also, it's past 1am and I'm having trouble parsing that sentence (sorry that I haven't paid that much attention to IRC today) [23:19] oh, sorry [23:19] no :) [23:20] I *think* we need to make an "edubuntu" "product" on LP and link the site project to it [23:20] highvoltage: I know I'm an admin on the group, but I was wondering about the project https://edge.launchpad.net/edubuntu-website which is what I think we need to organize an issue queue [23:21] I haven't used LP in about 4 years, though [23:21]