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RiddellShiran_: we have a todo list of the most obvious things at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo00:59
Shiran_yea i saw it01:00
Shiran_but i dont know how all this business works01:01
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shtylmanShiran: you just pick a todo item with no one assigned and have at it :)01:19
shtylmaninteresting quote: "It's too complicated for a third party to act as an intermediary between developer and user."01:33
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ryanakcaScottK: thanks02:49
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ryanakcaScottK: If bangarang builds on Debian without shared-desktop-ontologies, is there any reason to add it as a B-D? (~beta3 built without it, even after it had appeared on packages.d.o and I'm testbuilding  ~RC-1 at the moment)03:39
JontheEchidnanepomuk in 4.4 needs it03:40
ScottKryanakca: It would be better to b-d against it since we are using the in KDE.04:05
ryanakcaScottK: OK. I'll add it and rebuild. Should be uploaded some time tomorrow04:06
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luckyhi, i'm having a bug with amarok, and so the amarok people told me to upgrade to the latest version, so i tried first  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-beta-2 then i tried following the instructions at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.2.1 and it says that amarok (and a bunch of other packages) have been held back, both times.07:35
ScottKlucky: Did you try dist-upgrade?07:36
luckyooh, that works.  thank you.07:38
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skamsterhello all, is here a pykde-dev to find? i've some pykde-akonadi-questions10:04
steveireTrying to install libxml2 from jriddells ppa I get this: http://dpaste.com/141999/ It's karmic packages any I'm using jaunty. Is there a quick fix?10:05
steveireskamster: Hi.10:05
skamsterhello :)10:06
steveireDid you see this form a few years ago? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/2048410:06
steveireI got that working somewhat and have screenshots somewhere to proove it...10:06
skamsteri also get that working, but i couldn't access to akonadi10:07
skamster:(10:07
skamstersteveire: do you develop with pykde?10:07
steveireskamster: Nope., but that uses kross. Ping me on akonadi if you think I can help later.10:08
steveire(and kross uses pykde)10:09
skamsterah, ok10:09
skamsterthx for the hint10:09
Riddellsteveire: there is python-kde4-dev10:11
steveireRiddell: And libxml2 for jaunty? Is that possible?10:11
ulysses__bug 50376610:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 503766 in kde-l10n-de "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-de_4%3a4.3.3-0ubuntu1~+karmic1_all.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/kimagemapeditor.mo', which is also in package kde-i18n-de 4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50376610:12
Riddellsteveire: wget https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/libxml2_2.6.32.dfsg-5ubuntu4.2_i386.deb; dpkg --install libxml2_2.6.32.dfsg-5ubuntu4.2_i386.deb10:13
steveireRiddell: Thanks. What's the 64bit url? replace i386 with x86_64?10:15
Riddellhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/libxml2_2.6.32.dfsg-5ubuntu4.2_amd64.deb10:15
steveireThanks. That worked.10:16
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LureRiddell: exiv2 library transition would appreciate your ubuntu-archve powers: bug 503289, bug 504008, bug 50399010:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 503289 in rawstudio "Sync rawstudio 1.2-5 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50328910:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 504008 in geeqie "Sync geeqie 1:1.0~beta2-9 (universe) from Debian sid (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50400810:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 503990 in pyexiv2 "sync pyexiv2 0.1.3-6 from debian sid main" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50399010:26
steveireI should really upgrade this computer to karmic10:56
Riddellsteveire: it's a load better than jaunty10:58
RiddellLure: I'm onto it10:58
steveireRiddell: Yeah, I use it on two out of 3 computers. Just always have real work to do on this one...10:59
Riddelloh steveire, are you going to fosdem?11:00
steveireNot sure.11:01
steveire7-9th, right?11:01
steveireI'm going to camp kde then taking a week off in the states.11:01
Riddellyeah11:06
Riddellguess I can't hassle you for a talk then :)11:07
RiddellLure: pyexiv2 you need to do manually11:11
LureRiddell: manually?11:19
LureRiddell: so basicaly take ubuntu orig.tar.gz + debian dir from debian and upload as build1?11:21
RiddellLure: yes11:21
ulysses__Hello, there is a problem while upgrading to KDE SC 4.3.4 from karmic-backports: the kde-l10n-* package conflicts with the kde-i18n-* package. There's some bugreport on Launchpad for different language packs, but these problem affects all KDE language pack.11:32
ulysses__exactly, there're 8 bug reports with the same content11:32
ulysses__for example bug 50307011:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 503070 in kde-l10n-nl "kde-l10n-** 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu1 fails to install (tries to overwrite kimagemapeditor.mo from kde-i18n-**)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50307011:33
ulysses__however I want to help to fix them if it is possible ;)11:34
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Riddellulysses__: the kde-i18n packages are for KDE 3 apps only which in karmic was quanta and some other kdewebdev bits and kdevelop12:14
Riddellkdevelop is due to be KDE 4 and all of kdewebdev is around except for quanta12:14
RiddellI wonder if it's worth keeping kde-i18n in lucid12:14
Riddellwe could just include the .po files in quants directly12:15
Riddellquanta12:15
Riddellulysses__: anyway, 4.3 adds some more bits back from kdewebdev so that's why its overwriting12:15
Riddellprobably best to add Replaces: kde-i18n-xx on the kde-l10n packages if you want to fix them12:15
ulysses__I want to help if I could12:17
Riddellulysses__: for each of the languages in kde-i18n-xx  do an apt-get source kde-l10n-xx (makeing sure it gets the ones from backports), add a Replaces: kde-i18n-xx  run dch -i for a changelog  and take a debdiff12:19
ulysses__like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/352876/12:23
Riddellulysses__: yes12:25
ulysses__another (perhaps stupid) question: is this a right changelog? http://paste.ubuntu.com/352886/12:31
ulysses__oh, I found a mistake12:33
ulysses__my e-mail address should be add, right?12:33
ulysses__http://paste.ubuntu.com/352887/12:33
Riddellulysses__: yes that should be your e-mail address next to your name12:33
Riddellulysses__: that's the version from lucid which we do want to fix, you also wanted to do the version in karmic-backports too I expect12:34
ulysses__yes, karmic-backports12:34
Riddellulysses__: so do it for both lucid and karmic-backports if you can12:34
Riddelloh kde-l10n-af has no karmic-backports12:35
ulysses__oh, I see12:35
Riddellulysses__: so for kde-l10n-af the version needs to be  4:4.2.96-0ubuntu1.1 and karmic-backports in the first line of the changelog   and 4:4.2.96-0ubuntu2 and lucid  in the first line of the changelog12:36
Riddellmoving files is hassle in packaging :(12:37
ulysses__http://paste.ubuntu.com/352890/12:39
ulysses__I get the list of kde-l10n-* packages from packages.ubuntu.com, so I will fix them if I learn how can I do it:)12:40
Riddellulysses__: that's good12:40
Riddellso make a debdiff of that12:40
Riddellthen do the same for lucid12:40
ulysses__I'm in the directory in which I downloaded the source package with apt-get source, and debdiff can't read the changelog12:45
Riddellulysses__: did you build the source package?  debuild -S  then in the parent directory   debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc12:46
ulysses__some user error occured, I've not installed every package that needed;)12:51
Riddellyou'll need devscripts12:52
* Riddell syncs attica from Debian, our first source format 3 package?12:57
Riddellhmm, failed, hmm12:58
ulysses__Riddell: I made the debdiff13:02
Riddellulysses__: let's see13:04
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ulysses__Riddell: what?13:05
Riddellulysses__: let's see the debdiff13:05
ulysses__http://paste.ubuntu.com/352899/13:06
Riddellulysses__: looks good13:08
Riddellulysses__: so save that to say kde-l10n-af_4.2.96-0ubuntu1.1.debdiff13:08
Riddellthen edit the changelog to have the right version number and distro for lucid13:08
Riddellmake a debdiff of that13:09
Riddellrepeat for every other language13:09
Riddellsend me all the debdiffs and I'll upload13:09
Riddellsend me the list of kde-i18n-xx packagse and I'll remove them from the archive13:09
Riddellyou'll be a fully fledged ninja by the end of the day :)13:09
ulysses__I think I'll have some more stupid question today:)13:10
ulysses__I want to control myself, so this is the changelog for lucid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/352902/13:13
Riddellulysses__: don't include the karmic-backports bit13:14
Riddellso remove that middle entry13:14
ulysses__ok, I removed the middle entry13:15
jussi01seaLne: ping?13:29
ulysses__Riddell: I sent an e-mail with debdiffs for kde-l10n-ar, could you check it please?13:36
Riddellsec13:37
Riddellulysses__: kde-l10n-ar_4.3.4-ubuntu2.debdiff is missing the Replaces13:38
Riddellulysses__: kde-l10n-ar_4.3.4-ubuntu2.debdiff was a debdiff compared to the karmic-backports version13:38
Riddellulysses__: you want it to be a debdiff compared to the lucid version (which happens to be the same as karmic) but not karmic-backports13:38
agateauRiddell: plop!13:45
agateauRiddell: did you found the time for the patches I sent to you yesterday?13:45
Riddellagateau: I'll do those as part of the RC packages which are due to be uploaded today or tomorrow13:48
agateauRiddell: ok13:49
agateauRiddell: there may be some conflicts because I think some of the changes I sent to you are already in rc1 (but not beta2)13:49
ScottKRiddell: plasma-widget-kubuntu-feedback could stand some Newing (I uploaded it, so I can't).13:50
agateauScottK: fix for #502409 is in Quassel master13:55
ScottKagateau: Thanks.  Would you please reassign the bug back to quassel and mark it fix committed then.13:55
agateauScottK: sure13:55
ScottKThanks.13:55
ScottKagateau: Is the dbus-menu stuff ready for committing to trunk now that it's 4.5?13:56
ulysses__Riddell: So I remove the karmic-backports changes from the changelog, then add the lucid, debuild -S and debdiff?13:56
agateauScottK: I want to get it into trunk asap yes13:56
agateauScottK: but it needs a proper review before13:56
agateauScottK: Quassel bug reassigned13:57
RiddellScottK: meh I need to reject plasma-widget-kubuntu-feedback, the debian/copyright file hasn't been filled in13:57
Riddellulysses__: yes13:57
nixternalsuch a beautiful blizzard of a morning here today13:57
ScottKRiddell: Thanks.  I knew that (and then forgot).13:57
ScottKArghh.13:57
ScottKnixternal: ^^^13:58
nixternalhahaha13:58
alis there a bug state in launchpad to confirm a fix actually worked?13:58
nixternalScottK: I forgot to tell you about that in the revu package, that I didn't have the completed copyright in there13:59
ScottKYeah and I noticed and then forgot13:59
ScottKal: No.13:59
nixternalhehe, you confused me when you asked about uploading cuz we were doing the l10n crap, and I just said, "I guess"14:00
nixternal :)14:00
nixternalhahahaha, pwnd14:00
ulysses__Riddell: I sent the new debdiff for lucid14:01
nixternalRiddell: can the same version still be uploaded, or does that need to be bumped after a reject?14:01
Riddellnixternal: needs to be a newer version since the source was accepted14:01
nixternalthought so, I think that is silly, but ok14:01
Riddellulysses__: you're still debdiff'ing against the karmic-backports version14:03
Riddellulysses__: it should be against the karmic version14:03
Riddelldebdiff <version-from-karmic>.dsc <version-for-lucid>.dsc14:04
Riddell(normally you would debdiff against the version from lucid, but there hasn't been an update in lucid for kde-l10n-af)14:04
Riddells/af/ar/14:04
ulysses__Riddell: I hope I understand it at last14:11
* ulysses__ search some food, and then return14:21
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nixternaldo we have any merges that need to get done?14:36
nixternallet me rephrase that, is anyone in here doing merges? if not, I am about to step on your toes14:37
RiddellI've done all mine and I didn't spot any KDE ones that seemed worth doing14:38
Riddelle.g. kplayer is listed but it doesn't give us any gain except a version bump14:38
nixternalI think I am seeing that as well, but I think there are merges that are kde-based that aren't showing up14:38
Riddellagateau: dbusmenu changes for plasma/framesvg.cpp and plasma/widgets/signalplotter.cpp are in 4.4?14:39
Riddellpatch says reverse patch detected for those14:39
agateauRiddell: yes14:39
Riddellotherwise kdelibs patch applies14:39
agateauThey are not related to dbusmenu, but plasma kept crashing without them :/14:39
Riddellagateau: hmm, this'll need dbusmenu-qt in main14:42
agateauRiddell: yes14:42
JontheEchidnaI believe I've done all of mine that are worth doing. (Filing a sync request for qjson right now)14:46
RiddellJontheEchidna: all your which?14:46
JontheEchidnaall my merges14:46
ScottKnixternal: scribus-ng could stand a merge probably.14:48
Riddellagateau: bug 50426714:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 504267 in libdbusmenu-qt "libdbusmenu-qt main inclusion request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50426714:50
Riddellagateau: it might help to politely ping a member of ubuntu-mir14:50
agateauRiddell: ok14:51
agateauRiddell: any suggestion on who to ping?14:51
Riddellagateau: loic maybe?14:53
agateauyes, following the french conspiracy :)14:53
agateauhe is the one I know best14:54
ulysses__Riddell: what's about the last version of debdiffs?14:54
ScottKnixternal: kredentials too14:54
Riddell14:03 < Riddell> ulysses__: you're still debdiff'ing against the karmic-backports version14:56
Riddell14:03 < Riddell> ulysses__: it should be against the karmic version14:56
ulysses__again?:(14:56
ulysses__46 minutes ago I sent a new version14:57
Riddellulysses__: latest e-mail I have is Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:00:48 +010014:58
ulysses__with to debdiff?14:59
ulysses__two*14:59
Riddellone14:59
ulysses__hm, I send two after that one, maybe I should send it again15:00
Riddellulysses__: yeah try again15:00
ulysses__mail sent15:02
_Groo_hi/2 all. are the kde 4.4 rc packages coming out? latest libamsn broken the wlm kopete plugin :P15:06
Riddellulysses__: nothing15:07
ulysses__:(15:07
Riddellulysses__: however I had a thought, I'm going to upload kde-l10n for the RC anyway so I may as well do this change as part of that15:07
Riddellulysses__: so you can just do the karmic-backports packages if you like15:07
ulysses__I like15:07
_Groo_Riddell: hi Riddell15:10
Riddell_Groo_: yes we're working on RC15:10
RiddellI'll probably upload tonight15:10
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_Groo_Riddell: great :D will it have kdebindings for the first time?15:13
Riddellno :(15:14
_Groo_Riddell: could you sponsor my http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=732015:14
Riddellstill not compiling15:14
_Groo_Riddell: damn15:14
nixternalScottK: roger that15:14
_Groo_Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50353915:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 503539 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] wally" [Wishlist,In progress]15:14
Riddell_Groo_: that package is a native package15:15
Riddell_Groo_: it needs to be done as a .orig.tar.gz and diff.gz15:15
_Groo_Riddell: explain?15:15
Riddellthe upstream tar needs to be called wally_2.3.1.orig.tar.gz  before you run debuild -S15:16
Riddellthat'll make the .diff.gz and keeps a nice separation between upstream and packaging15:16
Riddellif you don't name it exactly that it'll put everything in a .tar.gz and there's no separation of the packaging (which is used for apps made only for debian or ubuntu, hense the name native)15:17
Riddellyou should always check the .changes file before upload that it hasn't accidently made a native package15:20
_Groo_Riddell: ok uploading ro revu15:20
_Groo_Riddell: ok, i didnt knew that :)15:21
_Groo_done15:21
* ScottK catches all kinds of dumb things he's done by reading the .changes before upload.15:22
JontheEchidnakdebase-workspace lost two 2560x19** wallpapers in RC1, hopefully that'll help with CD space15:22
Riddelldefinately worth checking the distro release you're upload to as well15:23
ScottKAs recently as last night checking that the changelog entry was the one I wanted to upload was helpful.15:23
_Groo_Riddell: pls check http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=733115:25
JontheEchidnaoh, but kdebase-workspace-wallpapers isn't seeded in the first place... nevermind.15:25
Riddell_Groo_: that .orig contains a debian directory15:25
_Groo_Riddell: aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhh15:25
* _Groo_ is remaking the damn package15:25
Riddell_Groo_: "Homepage: http://www.becrux.com" that should be part of the Source information not the package information these days15:26
Riddell_Groo_: "KDE3, KDE4, XFCE4" -> "KDE 3, KDE 4, XFCE 4"15:27
Riddell_Groo_: LICENCE says GPL 2 but debian/copyright says GPL 315:27
Riddell"This package was debianized by Harald Sitter" you're not harald sitter I suspect15:28
_Groo_Riddell: where did you found that?15:28
Riddell_Groo_: debian/copyright hasn't been updated for this package15:28
_Groo_Riddell: whats the sintax for the origin? Origin: http://blah?15:29
_Groo_Riddell: ah ok, changing copyright too15:29
Riddellorigin?15:30
_Groo_Riddell: its my first oficial package :P15:30
_Groo_i mean source15:30
_Groo_sorry15:30
nixternalwhy does strigi continuously index the same shit over and over, especially when none of it has changed?15:36
nixternalJontheEchidna: ^^ you notice that as well?15:36
Riddellnixternal: there is a new release of strigi I believe15:36
JontheEchidnanixternal: yeah15:36
nixternalwanted to make sure you computer wasn't on them drugs again :)15:37
nixternalwhat?15:37
nixternalwanted to make sure _MY_ computer wasn't on drugs again15:37
nixternaljeesh15:37
JontheEchidnalol15:37
JontheEchidnaIt seems that 5 minutes after indexing finished it starts all over again15:37
_Groo_btw i made an unofficial virtuoso 5.0.12 package is anyone is interested, till 6.0.1 is out.. works like a charm15:37
nixternalyeah, but it doesn't take as long15:37
nixternal_Groo_: Riddell has virtuoso packages as well15:38
_Groo_nixternal: 6.0.1?15:38
nixternalScottK: kredentials merged15:39
ScottKThanks15:39
nixternal5.0.12-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa115:39
nixternal_Groo_: ^^15:39
Riddell_Groo_: yeah I saw that, based my virtuoso 5.0.12 packages off it, it's now in the archive15:39
Riddellbut not main, sigh15:39
_Groo_Riddell: really? based on my work? who was based on someone elses? lol.. nice15:40
_Groo_Riddell: see now http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=733215:40
nixternalScottK: interesting thing, is the bzr way of merging, doesn't work with these 2 packages btw15:41
nixternalout of all the merges I attempted to do the other day with the bzr way, only 1 worked15:41
Riddell_Groo_: hmm, that .orig still contains a debian directory15:42
nixternalthey need to upgrade that bzr pipe too, to something a bit faster than 100k/s15:42
nixternalscribus-ng will take a week to get here15:43
_Groo_Riddell: )(*#(@*#)(@ the rest is fne?15:43
Riddell_Groo_: "It was downloaded from" don't put the exact URL there, you'd need to change it every release, just the download webpage15:44
Riddell_Groo_: licence is GPL 2, debian/copyright says GPL 315:44
nixternaljjesse: any news on your chapter?15:45
nixternalholy schnikeys...I could have done a grab-merge by now, and had the package uploading...but now, I have to wait for a bzr branch first, and now I have to do bzr merge-package15:46
* nixternal cocks the gun before hand15:46
nixternalWarning: criss-cross merge encountered.  See bzr help criss-cross15:48
freinhardthere isn't a virtuoso backend for soprano for 4.4b2 yet?15:48
* nixternal pulls the trigger15:48
jjessenixternal: nope15:48
jjessestill waiting15:49
_Groo_Riddell: ok, should be fine now15:49
Riddellfreinhard: yes15:49
freinhardRiddell: just needs packaging or not possible?15:50
_Groo_freinhard: its in lucid, i could put one in my ppa if the damn dput didnt locked at the last byte15:50
Riddell_Groo_: .orig is good15:51
_Groo_Riddell: \o/ finally15:51
Riddell_Groo_: but..15:51
* _Groo_ dances around is chair.. co-workers are used to that :P15:51
Riddell15:44 < Riddell> _Groo_: "It was downloaded from" don't put the exact URL there, you'd need to change it every release, just the download webpage15:51
_Groo_Riddell: oO15:51
Riddell15:44 < Riddell> _Groo_: licence is GPL 2, debian/copyright says GPL 315:51
Riddellthose still apply15:51
Riddellvirtuoso is in my ppa https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa15:52
Riddellfor karmic15:52
_Groo_Riddell: i already uploaded a new one, check again, with the afomentioned changes15:52
freinhard_Groo_: why not put it into the beta-ppa and add it as dependency since nepomuk/strigi won't work without it?15:52
_Groo_freinhard: nepomuk /strigi do work without it, its akonadi who doesnt15:52
Riddellfreinhard: I expect we will for the RC, needs more testers first, want to test?15:53
freinhardRiddell: shure15:53
freinharddamn microphone producer ;)15:54
nixternalScottK: scribus-ng has a sync-req filed for it15:54
ScottKEasy one then15:54
nixternalya, wait for someone to sync it15:55
_Groo_Riddell: can i jump around my chair now?15:56
Riddell_Groo_: not yet, I'm test compiling it :)15:57
_Groo_Riddell: i mean the debian part... it compiles ¬¬15:57
_Groo_Riddell: ;)15:57
freinhardanyone willing to package some recent opensync stuff?15:58
ScottKnixternal's all about packaging stuff today.15:59
freinhardi guess they need to be done from scratch, i think they changed to cmake16:00
freinhardi think Quintasan already had a look at it and gave up because of that16:00
RiddellW: wally: copyright-without-copyright-notice16:00
RiddellW: wally: spelling-error-in-description XFCE Xfce16:01
Riddell_Groo_: ^^16:01
_Groo_Riddell: aaaaaaaahhhhhhh picky picky.. the first one im not quite understanding what the system wants.. the second one is plain evil :D16:01
genii_Groo_: You should probably use lintian or so16:01
_Groo_genii: i do16:02
_Groo_genii: but i didnt recompile after i did the debuild -S16:02
geniiAaah16:02
RiddellCopyright: section should say "Copyright 2009 Antonio Di Monaco <tony@becrux.com>"16:04
_Groo_Riddell: in debian/control?16:05
_Groo_Riddell: or debian/copyright?16:05
Riddelldebian/copyright16:05
freinhardRiddell: started nepomuk+strigi in systemsettings, started to convert the nepomuk-db, finished but still states that strigi isn't running. changed back to the systemsettings-overview, then again to nepomuk/strigi-settings, activated strigi once again, apply, started to index.16:05
Riddellthe tricky part is getting it to stop :)16:06
freinhardlooks like strigi doesn't get activated in case the nepomuk-db needs to be converted16:06
Riddell_Groo_: shouldn't the app have a .desktop file so you can launch it?16:06
_Groo_Riddell: true... the author forgot and i didnt bother to check.. gonna fix that...16:07
freinhardRiddell: and finally crashed. that's what i found in .xsession-errors: http://dpaste.com/142119/16:08
nixternalScottK: nah, just had to do some stuff for debian, and since I had my pbuilders all warmed up, figured I would ask :)16:08
Riddellfreinhard: possibly the libxml2 from my PPA will help16:09
freinhardRiddell: is installed16:11
_Groo_Riddell: whats the proper way to add a .desktop file without polluting the orig?16:12
_Groo_Riddell: or any file by that matter16:13
Riddell_Groo_: put it in the debian/ directory and add debian/install16:14
Riddellcontaining "debian/wally.desktop usr/share/applications/wally.desktop"16:14
_Groo_Riddell: ok uploading16:21
_Groo_Riddell: done :)16:23
_Groo_Riddell: and tested16:23
_Groo_brb16:23
freinhardRiddell: looks like strigi crashes upon a file, starts again and againd and stops allways in the same folder16:23
Riddellfreinhard: worth waiting for the new strigi then reporting a bug if it still happens16:24
freinhardnew strigi=4.4rc1?16:25
Riddellno 0.7.1 I think16:25
freinhardwhen do i get it from where?16:26
freinhardi think strigi never worked for me because of some file in that folder16:26
Riddelldunno doesn't seem to be on vandenoever's page16:26
Riddellbut debian have it http://incoming.debian.org/strigi_0.7.1-1.dsc16:27
Riddellfabo: where is that from?16:27
ScottKGrab it from there quick before it dissapears.16:27
ScottKdget http://incoming.debian.org/strigi_0.7.1-1.dsc16:28
jefferaiRiddell: ping16:29
Riddellhi jefferai16:29
jefferaiRiddell: I'm trying to track down a problem people seem to have in Amarok with Qt 4.6 and/or KDE 4.4 beta -- so I enabled a few repositories (beta and backports)16:30
jefferaiproblem is, after doing that and a dist-upgrade, I can no longer compile amarok because it can't find phonon headers16:31
jefferaiwhat changed?16:31
Riddelljefferai:  oh yes, that's the problem Stecchino was having, you need do  ln -s /usr/include/qt4/phonon /usr/include/phonon16:32
Riddellfor reasons I havn't quite worked out yet16:32
jefferaihm16:32
jefferaiok16:32
jefferaiso it switched from kde's phonon to qt's?16:33
Riddellamarok in lucid is probably broken, I synced liblastfm from debian yesterday, it'll need a rebuild16:33
Riddelljefferai: we've used qt's phonon for a while now but they change the headers with every release and things get confused16:33
jefferaiah16:34
jefferaiso amarok probably needs some cmake-foo?16:34
RiddellI'm not sure /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon/Effect is '#include "../../phonon/effect.h"' which to me should end up with /usr/include/qt4/phonon/effect.h but for some reason the compiler wants /usr/include/phonon/effect.h16:36
Riddellsomething to do with /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon being a symlink16:36
jefferaihm16:36
Riddellmm16:37
* jefferai looks16:37
jefferaiit might be because it's looking relative to where cmake finds things?16:38
jefferaiI dunno16:38
jefferaiI'll take a quick lookaround16:38
Riddelljefferai: do you want any Kubuntu CDs for camp KDE?16:39
jefferaium, sure?16:39
jefferaiare you coming?16:40
* jefferai forgets who is and isn't16:40
RiddellI'm afraid not16:40
jefferaiaww16:40
Riddelljefferai: e-mail me a postal address and phone number where they could be delivered and I'll see if I can order some16:40
jefferaiok, cool16:41
jefferaiRiddell: so a few things16:42
jefferainot sure if they're related16:42
jefferaione is16:42
jefferaiamaroklib links in KDE4_PHONON_LIBRARY16:42
jefferaiwhich may be empty, if qt is being used16:42
jefferainot sure16:42
jefferaianother is that it doesn't explicitly include phonon headers, although that's probably part of QT_INCLUDES16:42
Riddelllet me see if it's broken in lucid16:45
* jefferai notes that it's saying it can't find the file Phonon/Effect16:46
jefferaiit's not saying that it can't find what that file links to16:46
jefferaiit can't find that file, period16:46
_Groo_Riddell: remove with purge (delete dir) and reinstall the phono-devs.. i had the same problem, it should compile fine afterwards16:47
jefferai_Groo_: ah really?16:47
* jefferai tries16:48
_Groo_Riddell: aparently during the upgrade some leftovers still remain that confuses the amarok cmake16:48
_Groo_Riddell: i had this problem about 2 weeks ago..16:48
* _Groo_ builds a lot of packages :P16:48
jefferaiI wonder what's being left over16:48
Riddellcould be that /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon symlink, it is actually packaged as a directory16:49
jefferaiah16:49
jefferaicould be16:49
jefferai_Groo_: how do I tell apt not to remove the things depending on libphonon-dev?16:50
jefferailike, some --no-deps thing or anything?16:50
verbalshadowjefferai is not KDE Phonon newer (or have more features) then than QT's16:50
_Groo_jefferai: use dpkg --purge --force-all package16:51
jefferaiverbalshadow: wuh?16:51
Riddellwe patch the Qt phonon to make it the same as the standalone releases16:51
jefferaiah, force-all16:51
jefferaithat's it16:51
verbalshadowRiddell ok16:52
Riddelland we don't want to use the standalone releases because qt depends on phonon16:52
_Groo_Riddell: can you check wally now? should be ok now16:52
_Groo_Riddell: btw the wally packahe also contains a plasma plugin, since the plasma part doesnt actually do anything if the wally binarie isnt active, i didnt separated it into a plasma package.. it would be overkill and confusing to the user.16:54
jefferai_Groo_: hooray, it worked16:55
jefferaitoo bad it's building on the world's slowest machine16:55
jefferaibut it's building16:55
_Groo_jefferai: whos the man? ;)16:57
jefferaiYou are16:57
* jefferai kisses16:57
_Groo_jefferai: lol, less, less... a thankyou is enough :D maybe a COOKIE!16:58
Riddell_Groo_: are there any porn filters on this thing?  webcollage screensaver did a similar thing and people got upset when their screensaver suddently poppup with with photos of people doing strange things to each other16:58
_Groo_Riddell: yes, every single backend has a tagging filter with strong pr0n filter. i used it at worked and never got fired...16:59
jefferaiRiddell: for a moment I thought your first question there referred to my interaction with Groo16:59
jefferaiI haven't done anything hardcore...yet16:59
_Groo_jefferai: nor you will, not with me anyway :D16:59
Riddellwe allow kissing in this channel, we're very friendly16:59
_Groo_Riddell: cookie, me wants a cookie17:00
_Groo_ubottu: cookie?17:00
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)17:00
Riddell_Groo_: I has pretty wallpaper!17:00
_Groo_Riddell: did you activate the the plasmoid too?17:00
Riddellyes17:01
_Groo_Riddell: should be there in the desktop settings now...17:01
Riddellit doesn't do much without that17:01
Riddellyes it's working17:01
_Groo_Riddell: yeah, it gives lots of pretty pictures17:01
Daskreech_Groo_: You could work at a porn store. Which would say a lot about you never getting fired :)17:01
_Groo_Daskreech: hmmm true... but they allow chair dancing at pr0n stores?17:02
* Daskreech will go and do hands on research and report17:02
Riddell_Groo_: shall I upload?17:03
_Groo_Riddell: upload to where, what?17:03
Riddell_Groo_: wally to ubuntu17:04
_Groo_btw are you guys using lucid, i have stranbge bugs this week.. locale stopped working properly and init never goes beyond 2... i need to start kdm via rc.local.17:04
_Groo_very strange17:04
_Groo_Riddell: you a MOTU is asking me a mere peon... by all means do!17:05
RiddellI may have to fix this "W: wally: spelling-error-in-description XFCE Xfce" issue first, that's very important, don't want to upset xfce17:06
_Groo_Riddell: ehehehehe17:06
_Groo_Riddell: can i have acess to the kde 4.4 rc builds to start testing17:07
_Groo_lol the moment i got the invite my evil ati crashed17:18
_Groo_compiling rekonq 0.3.28... tagged today17:41
_Groo_which fixes finally the adblock bug...17:42
DaskreechHmm Wasn't there a daily build ppa?17:42
_Groo_Daskreech: there is? for rekonq?17:42
_Groo_i usually build it with any new tag and send to my ppa17:43
_Groo_pls some motu update koffice in lucid to 2.1!!! or ill have to build 2.2 svn :D17:44
Daskreech_Groo_: yeah search for daily rekonq ppa17:45
Daskreechthere is one for chromium as well17:45
_Groo_Daskreech: yeah, iuse the chromium one, i didnt knew there was one for rekonq... oh well..17:46
Daskreech:-)17:47
* Daskreech grumbles about not having one for KDE :)17:47
_Groo_yeah... me wants nightly fixes.. i miss my daily fix17:48
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jussi01Riddell: could you fix kde bug 221701 for me? :D18:55
ubottuKDE bug 221701 in feeds "Please add my blog to Planet KDE " [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22170118:55
ulysses__Riddell: in karmic-backports the version is '4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1', what have to replace, '4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic2' ?19:01
Riddellulysses__: yes19:03
Riddelljussi01: ok19:03
jussi01Riddell: thanks :)19:05
Riddellhmm, no, I've run out of disk space19:06
jussi01doh19:09
jussi01So is anyone going to organise a KDE 4.4 release party?19:10
jussi01(its a good excuse for a party :D )19:10
freinhard what's debian/[compat|pycompat] for?19:21
Riddelldebian/compat is the debhelper version19:23
Riddelldebhelper is the scripts that do much of making the package, sometimes the behavour changes with new releases19:24
Riddellso that specifies what version it should behave as19:24
Riddellpycompat is something for python packaging19:24
Riddellbut python packaging keeps changing and I don't do enough of it so I forget19:24
RiddellNCommander: rumours of a new binary incompatible sip release due says kde-packager list19:25
freinhardRiddell: and what's the current version it should be set to?19:25
Riddelldebian/compat should be 7 these days19:26
neversfeldeshtylman: nice kdm theme :)19:26
freinhardis there a howto for packaging cmake projects?19:32
mcascan anyone tell me the status of timelord?19:46
ScottKmcas: We are working towards it with the resources we have.  Care to volunteer.19:48
mcasthx ScottK19:48
freinhardwhere do i want to read more stuff on debian/rules? i'm trying to package opensync and bumping the sourrounding libs was somehow easy but changing the rules file is somehow difficult because i don't know what it's sections do19:51
=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse
dhillon-v10Riddell, hi :) can you make me a member of the kubuntu website team so I can triage the bugs, I can still confirm them but just wanted to mark their importance. I can also pick up some of them20:16
ScottKdhillon-v10: I think you shold talk to ryanakca about that first.20:24
dhillon-v10ScottK, thanks a bunch, and see I am learning :)20:25
NCommanderRiddell, every python-sip release is binary incompatible20:26
freinhardhow do i get a list of files the source package would install so i can devide them into debian/*.install files?20:27
ryanakcadhillon-v10: Oh, hi. Of course, done20:34
ryanakcadhillon-v10: Originally the team was meant to plug into a drupal module so that those on the team had write access to the website, but that never seemed to happen.20:35
al!seen dpm20:45
ubottuI have no seen command20:45
althat's a pity20:45
dhillon-v10ryanakca, thanks a bunch, so I can now change the important of the bugs right, also where can I find the source for the webpages, incase I need to write a patch20:56
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jussi01al: [23:11:59] [NickServ] Last seen  : Jan 07 20:19:08 2010 (52 minutes, 50 seconds ago)21:12
alah, thanks21:13
* jussi01 has a nice little alias set up for that command...21:15
jibelRiddell, Hi21:16
jibelRiddell, I triaged bug 503070, I've seen this is fixed in lucid now21:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 503070 in kde-l10n-ptbr "kde-l10n-** 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu1 fails to install (tries to overwrite kimagemapeditor.mo from kde-i18n-**)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50307021:17
jibelWill you backport the fix to karmic-backport too ?21:18
ScottKjibel: Put a debdiff in the bug and I'll take care of it.21:19
ScottKPing me when it's there.21:19
jibelScottK, ok21:19
_Groo_hi/2 all21:22
_Groo_Riddell: i found a grave bug in kde 4.4 rc121:22
_Groo_Riddell: libsoprano doesnt work with virtuoso 6.0.1 from he repos, making the entire plasma-desktop crash over and over21:22
_Groo_Riddell: if we use the old 5.0.12 it works fine21:22
_Groo_Riddell: also fancy tasks from lucid makes kde 4.4 rc1 crash21:23
ScottK_Groo_: What Qt was the fancy tasks in Lucid built against?21:23
_Groo_ScottK: just a sec.. checking21:24
_Groo_4.621:24
ScottK_Groo_: 4.6 beta, rc, or final?21:25
_Groo_ScottK: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.3.85), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.3.85), libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libkonq5 (>= 4:4.3.85), libplasma3, libqimageblitz4, libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.6.0), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.6.0), libqt4-svg (>= 4:4.6.0), libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.6.0), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.6.0), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.6.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libtaskmanager4 (>= 4:4.3.85), libx11-6, libxau6, libxdmcp621:26
_Groo_final i believe21:26
_Groo_gonna recompile it with 4.3.90 to see if its a kdelibs thing21:26
_Groo_fancy works but it will crash the plasma-desktop eventually.. i believe when receiving/sending a event21:27
_Groo_also please recompile soprano and put it in the closed repo.. lucids one will not work with virtuoso server21:27
_Groo_6.0.1svn21:27
_Groo_or use mine/riddell 5.0.1221:28
freinhardwhat's the relation between debian/foo.install and debian/foo.dir ?21:28
_Groo_gotta go, seeya all later.. and keep up the good work, kde/kubuntu rocks as usual21:28
ScottKfreinhard: foo.install installs files.  foo.dir creates empty directories to ship in the package.  foo.dir is almost always wrong.21:33
freinhardok, just got confused how things work with the cmake.mk class. files that go to /usr/bin are in debian/tmp/usr/bin/21:35
freinharddon't know if i have to do anything there21:35
jibelScottK, do I need to provide a debdiff for all l10n packages or is there a way to do it one time for all ?21:50
ulysses__jibel: what are you doing?21:50
jibelScottK, create a debdiff for karmic-backport21:51
jibela simple replace kde-i18-** in debian/control21:51
ulysses__I do it also21:51
ScottKjibel: Argh.  It's all of them?21:52
ScottKnixternal: Can you script something for use?21:52
jibelScottK,  yes, but some sed magic will do21:52
* ScottK is still busy with work.21:52
ScottKjibel: Agreed.  I just don't have the spare brain cells to figure it out right now.21:53
ulysses__I'm working on the kde-l10n debdiffs now21:54
jibelulysses__, I've created the debdiff for 1 locale do you want me to provide what I've done ?21:54
ulysses__I did it for 40 locale yet, 17 remains21:54
ulysses__I talked about that with Riddell, he helped me21:55
nixternalScottK: what's that?21:56
jibelulysses__,  for my reference, how do you update all locales ?21:56
ScottKnixternal: All the l10n packages need a replaces added21:56
nixternalI can do that if needed21:56
ScottKulysses__ and jibel are fixing it, but I don't want to upload all those (to karmic-backports) by hand21:57
nixternalonly take me a couple of minutes with some sed foo21:57
ScottKjibel and ulysses__: nixternal is your man.21:57
ulysses__jibel: one for one, I download every source package, edit the control file, debuild -S and debdiff21:57
ulysses__I can't upload anyithing, but I can send the debdiff files for someone if I'll be ready21:57
jibelulysses__, argh, can't you create a debdiff and creates all the version with some sed script ?21:58
nixternalScottK: is the karmic backport ones we uploaded the other night?21:58
nixternalI still have them all checked out21:58
ScottKnixternal: Yes.21:59
nixternalseems those guys are already working on it, so I guess we shall let them figure it out21:59
freinhardcould somebody have a look at the opensync package in my ppa? https://launchpad.net/~freinhard/+archive/ppa21:59
DarkwingDuckYAY! I'm back online22:22
nixternalRiddell, ScottK: uploaded new feedback applet with the fixed copyright and added a watch file to it22:22
nixternalabout darn time :p22:22
DarkwingDucknixternal: I'm back!22:22
nixternalyou must have installed Windows on your machine during x-mas, as you did say you were having computer problems :p22:22
DarkwingDuckYeah no kidding. 4 year olds pouring sippys of water on computers doesn't work well22:23
nixternalhahahaha22:23
DarkwingDuck3500 bucks down the drain22:23
nixternalbeen there done that, but I did that when a computer still cost a few grand22:23
nixternal3500 bucks got you a P75 with a few meg of ram and a few meg of disk space :)22:24
DarkwingDuckYeah, It got my netbook and my desktop was on the way out the door22:24
nixternaland I still have that machine, which has the first release of Debian and KDE still on it :)22:24
DarkwingDuckYeah, I remember those days. Installing DOS over OS2 <G>22:24
nixternalno, I was installing Slackware with floppy disks22:24
DarkwingDuckQuestion, If I take my HD out of my desktop and put it in a new desktop with diff driver conditions what do I have to do to apply new hardware?22:25
jibelulysses__, If you're interested, I've generated the debdiff for all 89 packages.22:25
nixternalweird how things work, I started out with Slackware, and now I use Kubuntu...instead of going from beginner os to expert os, I have gone backwards :)22:25
DarkwingDuckdriver=hardware22:25
nixternalDarkwingDuck: nothing, everything usually takes care of itself, except for binary drivers iirc22:25
nixternalI just switched drives from one desktop to the other and it just worked22:25
DarkwingDuckThat's what I thought, I was making sure22:26
ulysses__jibel: 89? in karmic-backports there's kde-l10n 57 package22:26
nixternalbut I use only Intel equipment22:26
DarkwingDuckthe vid card is going from ATI to NVIDIA (Finally)22:26
nixternalthe way it is looking, it seems Intel is not putting their video setups on new mobos22:26
nixternallike i7 mobos, I can't find one with Intel video22:26
DarkwingDuckahhh22:27
DarkwingDuckBut, I'll be cracking on those docs starting tonight :/22:27
jibelulysses__, I took those in karmic.22:28
nixternalgroovy...I want to finish everything up by the end of this month22:28
nixternalI am having a doc jam next week, so I hope I can get some people in chicago working on some final docs22:28
DarkwingDuckNo problem22:28
DarkwingDuckNetbook will be a bit harder as I no longer have one but, I'll run it via VM and get that finished with Lucid changes22:29
Daskreechhey DarkwingDuck22:29
DarkwingDuckI'm going to assume that there is a working copy of Lucid22:29
DarkwingDuckHey Daskreech22:29
nixternalyes for lucid22:29
DarkwingDucksweet22:30
nixternalmake sure your local docs branch is up to date...I have comitted some things I think while you were gone22:30
nixternalalso, I need to get dhillon to update his as well and request another merge so I can get his stuff in22:31
DarkwingDuckokay, I will22:31
nixternalthat will knock out quite a bit of work22:31
DarkwingDucksweet22:31
nixternalI slacked and didn't merge in his old stuff22:31
DarkwingDuckI'll be back into the swing of things quickly22:31
nixternalbut from what I saw, there will still be a bit of work left on his stuff...but it may be good enough for a first version22:31
DarkwingDuckok22:34
nixternalok, back to some code22:34
DarkwingDuckok I'll be back in a cple hours22:35
ulysses__Riddell: I sent you an e-mail with a gzipped archive, it contains de debdiff files22:38
freinhardwhat went wrong here? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37597230/upload_1435073_log.txt22:59
Riddellfreinhard: hmm, don't actually know, uploading to a PPA?23:18
Riddellulysses__: great, I'll upload tomorrow proabably23:18
freinhardRiddell: wgrant said over at #ubuntu-devel that it's a launchpad bug.23:21
wgrantA rare largely harmless one, but yes.23:22

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