[00:59] <Riddell> Shiran_: we have a todo list of the most obvious things at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[01:00] <Shiran_> yea i saw it
[01:01] <Shiran_> but i dont know how all this business works
[01:19] <shtylman> Shiran: you just pick a todo item with no one assigned and have at it :)
[01:33] <shtylman> interesting quote: "It's too complicated for a third party to act as an intermediary between developer and user."
[02:49] <ryanakca> ScottK: thanks
[03:39] <ryanakca> ScottK: If bangarang builds on Debian without shared-desktop-ontologies, is there any reason to add it as a B-D? (~beta3 built without it, even after it had appeared on packages.d.o and I'm testbuilding  ~RC-1 at the moment)
[03:40] <JontheEchidna> nepomuk in 4.4 needs it
[04:05] <ScottK> ryanakca: It would be better to b-d against it since we are using the in KDE.
[04:06] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK. I'll add it and rebuild. Should be uploaded some time tomorrow
[07:35] <lucky> hi, i'm having a bug with amarok, and so the amarok people told me to upgrade to the latest version, so i tried first  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-beta-2 then i tried following the instructions at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.2.1 and it says that amarok (and a bunch of other packages) have been held back, both times.
[07:36] <ScottK> lucky: Did you try dist-upgrade?
[07:38] <lucky> ooh, that works.  thank you.
[10:04] <skamster> hello all, is here a pykde-dev to find? i've some pykde-akonadi-questions
[10:05] <steveire> Trying to install libxml2 from jriddells ppa I get this: http://dpaste.com/141999/ It's karmic packages any I'm using jaunty. Is there a quick fix?
[10:05] <steveire> skamster: Hi.
[10:06] <skamster> hello :)
[10:06] <steveire> Did you see this form a few years ago? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/20484
[10:06] <steveire> I got that working somewhat and have screenshots somewhere to proove it...
[10:07] <skamster> i also get that working, but i couldn't access to akonadi
[10:07] <skamster> :(
[10:07] <skamster> steveire: do you develop with pykde?
[10:08] <steveire> skamster: Nope., but that uses kross. Ping me on akonadi if you think I can help later.
[10:09] <steveire> (and kross uses pykde)
[10:09] <skamster> ah, ok
[10:09] <skamster> thx for the hint
[10:11] <Riddell> steveire: there is python-kde4-dev
[10:11] <steveire> Riddell: And libxml2 for jaunty? Is that possible?
[10:12] <ulysses__> bug 503766
[10:13] <Riddell> steveire: wget https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/libxml2_2.6.32.dfsg-5ubuntu4.2_i386.deb; dpkg --install libxml2_2.6.32.dfsg-5ubuntu4.2_i386.deb
[10:15] <steveire> Riddell: Thanks. What's the 64bit url? replace i386 with x86_64?
[10:15] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/libxml2_2.6.32.dfsg-5ubuntu4.2_amd64.deb
[10:16] <steveire> Thanks. That worked.
[10:26] <Lure> Riddell: exiv2 library transition would appreciate your ubuntu-archve powers: bug 503289, bug 504008, bug 503990
[10:56] <steveire> I should really upgrade this computer to karmic
[10:58] <Riddell> steveire: it's a load better than jaunty
[10:58] <Riddell> Lure: I'm onto it
[10:59] <steveire> Riddell: Yeah, I use it on two out of 3 computers. Just always have real work to do on this one...
[11:00] <Riddell> oh steveire, are you going to fosdem?
[11:01] <steveire> Not sure.
[11:01] <steveire> 7-9th, right?
[11:01] <steveire> I'm going to camp kde then taking a week off in the states.
[11:06] <Riddell> yeah
[11:07] <Riddell> guess I can't hassle you for a talk then :)
[11:11] <Riddell> Lure: pyexiv2 you need to do manually
[11:19] <Lure> Riddell: manually?
[11:21] <Lure> Riddell: so basicaly take ubuntu orig.tar.gz + debian dir from debian and upload as build1?
[11:21] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[11:32] <ulysses__> Hello, there is a problem while upgrading to KDE SC 4.3.4 from karmic-backports: the kde-l10n-* package conflicts with the kde-i18n-* package. There's some bugreport on Launchpad for different language packs, but these problem affects all KDE language pack.
[11:32] <ulysses__> exactly, there're 8 bug reports with the same content
[11:33] <ulysses__> for example bug 503070
[11:34] <ulysses__> however I want to help to fix them if it is possible ;)
[12:14] <Riddell> ulysses__: the kde-i18n packages are for KDE 3 apps only which in karmic was quanta and some other kdewebdev bits and kdevelop
[12:14] <Riddell> kdevelop is due to be KDE 4 and all of kdewebdev is around except for quanta
[12:14] <Riddell> I wonder if it's worth keeping kde-i18n in lucid
[12:15] <Riddell> we could just include the .po files in quants directly
[12:15] <Riddell> quanta
[12:15] <Riddell> ulysses__: anyway, 4.3 adds some more bits back from kdewebdev so that's why its overwriting
[12:15] <Riddell> probably best to add Replaces: kde-i18n-xx on the kde-l10n packages if you want to fix them
[12:17] <ulysses__> I want to help if I could
[12:19] <Riddell> ulysses__: for each of the languages in kde-i18n-xx  do an apt-get source kde-l10n-xx (makeing sure it gets the ones from backports), add a Replaces: kde-i18n-xx  run dch -i for a changelog  and take a debdiff
[12:23] <ulysses__> like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/352876/
[12:25] <Riddell> ulysses__: yes
[12:31] <ulysses__> another (perhaps stupid) question: is this a right changelog? http://paste.ubuntu.com/352886/
[12:33] <ulysses__> oh, I found a mistake
[12:33] <ulysses__> my e-mail address should be add, right?
[12:33] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/352887/
[12:33] <Riddell> ulysses__: yes that should be your e-mail address next to your name
[12:34] <Riddell> ulysses__: that's the version from lucid which we do want to fix, you also wanted to do the version in karmic-backports too I expect
[12:34] <ulysses__> yes, karmic-backports
[12:34] <Riddell> ulysses__: so do it for both lucid and karmic-backports if you can
[12:35] <Riddell> oh kde-l10n-af has no karmic-backports
[12:35] <ulysses__> oh, I see
[12:36] <Riddell> ulysses__: so for kde-l10n-af the version needs to be  4:4.2.96-0ubuntu1.1 and karmic-backports in the first line of the changelog   and 4:4.2.96-0ubuntu2 and lucid  in the first line of the changelog
[12:37] <Riddell> moving files is hassle in packaging :(
[12:39] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/352890/
[12:40] <ulysses__> I get the list of kde-l10n-* packages from packages.ubuntu.com, so I will fix them if I learn how can I do it:)
[12:40] <Riddell> ulysses__: that's good
[12:40] <Riddell> so make a debdiff of that
[12:40] <Riddell> then do the same for lucid
[12:45] <ulysses__> I'm in the directory in which I downloaded the source package with apt-get source, and debdiff can't read the changelog
[12:46] <Riddell> ulysses__: did you build the source package?  debuild -S  then in the parent directory   debdiff <old>.dsc <new>.dsc
[12:51] <ulysses__> some user error occured, I've not installed every package that needed;)
[12:52] <Riddell> you'll need devscripts
[12:57]  * Riddell syncs attica from Debian, our first source format 3 package?
[12:58] <Riddell> hmm, failed, hmm
[13:02] <ulysses__> Riddell: I made the debdiff
[13:04] <Riddell> ulysses__: let's see
[13:05] <ulysses__> Riddell: what?
[13:05] <Riddell> ulysses__: let's see the debdiff
[13:06] <ulysses__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/352899/
[13:08] <Riddell> ulysses__: looks good
[13:08] <Riddell> ulysses__: so save that to say kde-l10n-af_4.2.96-0ubuntu1.1.debdiff
[13:08] <Riddell> then edit the changelog to have the right version number and distro for lucid
[13:09] <Riddell> make a debdiff of that
[13:09] <Riddell> repeat for every other language
[13:09] <Riddell> send me all the debdiffs and I'll upload
[13:09] <Riddell> send me the list of kde-i18n-xx packagse and I'll remove them from the archive
[13:09] <Riddell> you'll be a fully fledged ninja by the end of the day :)
[13:10] <ulysses__> I think I'll have some more stupid question today:)
[13:13] <ulysses__> I want to control myself, so this is the changelog for lucid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/352902/
[13:14] <Riddell> ulysses__: don't include the karmic-backports bit
[13:14] <Riddell> so remove that middle entry
[13:15] <ulysses__> ok, I removed the middle entry
[13:29] <jussi01> seaLne: ping?
[13:36] <ulysses__> Riddell: I sent an e-mail with debdiffs for kde-l10n-ar, could you check it please?
[13:37] <Riddell> sec
[13:38] <Riddell> ulysses__: kde-l10n-ar_4.3.4-ubuntu2.debdiff is missing the Replaces
[13:38] <Riddell> ulysses__: kde-l10n-ar_4.3.4-ubuntu2.debdiff was a debdiff compared to the karmic-backports version
[13:38] <Riddell> ulysses__: you want it to be a debdiff compared to the lucid version (which happens to be the same as karmic) but not karmic-backports
[13:45] <agateau> Riddell: plop!
[13:45] <agateau> Riddell: did you found the time for the patches I sent to you yesterday?
[13:48] <Riddell> agateau: I'll do those as part of the RC packages which are due to be uploaded today or tomorrow
[13:49] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[13:49] <agateau> Riddell: there may be some conflicts because I think some of the changes I sent to you are already in rc1 (but not beta2)
[13:50] <ScottK> Riddell: plasma-widget-kubuntu-feedback could stand some Newing (I uploaded it, so I can't).
[13:55] <agateau> ScottK: fix for #502409 is in Quassel master
[13:55] <ScottK> agateau: Thanks.  Would you please reassign the bug back to quassel and mark it fix committed then.
[13:55] <agateau> ScottK: sure
[13:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:56] <ScottK> agateau: Is the dbus-menu stuff ready for committing to trunk now that it's 4.5?
[13:56] <ulysses__> Riddell: So I remove the karmic-backports changes from the changelog, then add the lucid, debuild -S and debdiff?
[13:56] <agateau> ScottK: I want to get it into trunk asap yes
[13:56] <agateau> ScottK: but it needs a proper review before
[13:57] <agateau> ScottK: Quassel bug reassigned
[13:57] <Riddell> ScottK: meh I need to reject plasma-widget-kubuntu-feedback, the debian/copyright file hasn't been filled in
[13:57] <Riddell> ulysses__: yes
[13:57] <nixternal> such a beautiful blizzard of a morning here today
[13:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I knew that (and then forgot).
[13:57] <ScottK> Arghh.
[13:58] <ScottK> nixternal: ^^^
[13:58] <nixternal> hahaha
[13:58] <al> is there a bug state in launchpad to confirm a fix actually worked?
[13:59] <nixternal> ScottK: I forgot to tell you about that in the revu package, that I didn't have the completed copyright in there
[13:59] <ScottK> Yeah and I noticed and then forgot
[13:59] <ScottK> al: No.
[14:00] <nixternal> hehe, you confused me when you asked about uploading cuz we were doing the l10n crap, and I just said, "I guess"
[14:00] <nixternal>  :)
[14:00] <nixternal> hahahaha, pwnd
[14:01] <ulysses__> Riddell: I sent the new debdiff for lucid
[14:01] <nixternal> Riddell: can the same version still be uploaded, or does that need to be bumped after a reject?
[14:01] <Riddell> nixternal: needs to be a newer version since the source was accepted
[14:01] <nixternal> thought so, I think that is silly, but ok
[14:03] <Riddell> ulysses__: you're still debdiff'ing against the karmic-backports version
[14:03] <Riddell> ulysses__: it should be against the karmic version
[14:04] <Riddell> debdiff <version-from-karmic>.dsc <version-for-lucid>.dsc
[14:04] <Riddell> (normally you would debdiff against the version from lucid, but there hasn't been an update in lucid for kde-l10n-af)
[14:04] <Riddell> s/af/ar/
[14:11] <ulysses__> Riddell: I hope I understand it at last
[14:21]  * ulysses__ search some food, and then return
[14:36] <nixternal> do we have any merges that need to get done?
[14:37] <nixternal> let me rephrase that, is anyone in here doing merges? if not, I am about to step on your toes
[14:38] <Riddell> I've done all mine and I didn't spot any KDE ones that seemed worth doing
[14:38] <Riddell> e.g. kplayer is listed but it doesn't give us any gain except a version bump
[14:38] <nixternal> I think I am seeing that as well, but I think there are merges that are kde-based that aren't showing up
[14:39] <Riddell> agateau: dbusmenu changes for plasma/framesvg.cpp and plasma/widgets/signalplotter.cpp are in 4.4?
[14:39] <Riddell> patch says reverse patch detected for those
[14:39] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[14:39] <Riddell> otherwise kdelibs patch applies
[14:39] <agateau> They are not related to dbusmenu, but plasma kept crashing without them :/
[14:42] <Riddell> agateau: hmm, this'll need dbusmenu-qt in main
[14:42] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> I believe I've done all of mine that are worth doing. (Filing a sync request for qjson right now)
[14:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: all your which?
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> all my merges
[14:48] <ScottK> nixternal: scribus-ng could stand a merge probably.
[14:50] <Riddell> agateau: bug 504267
[14:50] <Riddell> agateau: it might help to politely ping a member of ubuntu-mir
[14:51] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[14:51] <agateau> Riddell: any suggestion on who to ping?
[14:53] <Riddell> agateau: loic maybe?
[14:53] <agateau> yes, following the french conspiracy :)
[14:54] <agateau> he is the one I know best
[14:54] <ulysses__> Riddell: what's about the last version of debdiffs?
[14:54] <ScottK> nixternal: kredentials too
[14:56] <Riddell> 14:03 < Riddell> ulysses__: you're still debdiff'ing against the karmic-backports version
[14:56] <Riddell> 14:03 < Riddell> ulysses__: it should be against the karmic version
[14:56] <ulysses__> again?:(
[14:57] <ulysses__> 46 minutes ago I sent a new version
[14:58] <Riddell> ulysses__: latest e-mail I have is Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:00:48 +0100
[14:59] <ulysses__> with to debdiff?
[14:59] <ulysses__> two*
[14:59] <Riddell> one
[15:00] <ulysses__> hm, I send two after that one, maybe I should send it again
[15:00] <Riddell> ulysses__: yeah try again
[15:02] <ulysses__> mail sent
[15:06] <_Groo_> hi/2 all. are the kde 4.4 rc packages coming out? latest libamsn broken the wlm kopete plugin :P
[15:07] <Riddell> ulysses__: nothing
[15:07] <ulysses__> :(
[15:07] <Riddell> ulysses__: however I had a thought, I'm going to upload kde-l10n for the RC anyway so I may as well do this change as part of that
[15:07] <Riddell> ulysses__: so you can just do the karmic-backports packages if you like
[15:07] <ulysses__> I like
[15:10] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi Riddell
[15:10] <Riddell> _Groo_: yes we're working on RC
[15:10] <Riddell> I'll probably upload tonight
[15:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: great :D will it have kdebindings for the first time?
[15:14] <Riddell> no :(
[15:14] <_Groo_> Riddell: could you sponsor my http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7320
[15:14] <Riddell> still not compiling
[15:14] <_Groo_> Riddell: damn
[15:14] <nixternal> ScottK: roger that
[15:14] <_Groo_> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/503539
[15:15] <Riddell> _Groo_: that package is a native package
[15:15] <Riddell> _Groo_: it needs to be done as a .orig.tar.gz and diff.gz
[15:15] <_Groo_> Riddell: explain?
[15:16] <Riddell> the upstream tar needs to be called wally_2.3.1.orig.tar.gz  before you run debuild -S
[15:16] <Riddell> that'll make the .diff.gz and keeps a nice separation between upstream and packaging
[15:17] <Riddell> if you don't name it exactly that it'll put everything in a .tar.gz and there's no separation of the packaging (which is used for apps made only for debian or ubuntu, hense the name native)
[15:20] <Riddell> you should always check the .changes file before upload that it hasn't accidently made a native package
[15:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok uploading ro revu
[15:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok, i didnt knew that :)
[15:21] <_Groo_> done
[15:22]  * ScottK catches all kinds of dumb things he's done by reading the .changes before upload.
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-workspace lost two 2560x19** wallpapers in RC1, hopefully that'll help with CD space
[15:23] <Riddell> definately worth checking the distro release you're upload to as well
[15:23] <ScottK> As recently as last night checking that the changelog entry was the one I wanted to upload was helpful.
[15:25] <_Groo_> Riddell: pls check http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7331
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> oh, but kdebase-workspace-wallpapers isn't seeded in the first place... nevermind.
[15:25] <Riddell> _Groo_: that .orig contains a debian directory
[15:25] <_Groo_> Riddell: aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:25]  * _Groo_ is remaking the damn package
[15:26] <Riddell> _Groo_: "Homepage: http://www.becrux.com" that should be part of the Source information not the package information these days
[15:27] <Riddell> _Groo_: "KDE3, KDE4, XFCE4" -> "KDE 3, KDE 4, XFCE 4"
[15:27] <Riddell> _Groo_: LICENCE says GPL 2 but debian/copyright says GPL 3
[15:28] <Riddell> "This package was debianized by Harald Sitter" you're not harald sitter I suspect
[15:28] <_Groo_> Riddell: where did you found that?
[15:28] <Riddell> _Groo_: debian/copyright hasn't been updated for this package
[15:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: whats the sintax for the origin? Origin: http://blah?
[15:29] <_Groo_> Riddell: ah ok, changing copyright too
[15:30] <Riddell> origin?
[15:30] <_Groo_> Riddell: its my first oficial package :P
[15:30] <_Groo_> i mean source
[15:30] <_Groo_> sorry
[15:36] <nixternal> why does strigi continuously index the same shit over and over, especially when none of it has changed?
[15:36] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: ^^ you notice that as well?
[15:36] <Riddell> nixternal: there is a new release of strigi I believe
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: yeah
[15:37] <nixternal> wanted to make sure you computer wasn't on them drugs again :)
[15:37] <nixternal> what?
[15:37] <nixternal> wanted to make sure _MY_ computer wasn't on drugs again
[15:37] <nixternal> jeesh
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> It seems that 5 minutes after indexing finished it starts all over again
[15:37] <_Groo_> btw i made an unofficial virtuoso 5.0.12 package is anyone is interested, till 6.0.1 is out.. works like a charm
[15:37] <nixternal> yeah, but it doesn't take as long
[15:38] <nixternal> _Groo_: Riddell has virtuoso packages as well
[15:38] <_Groo_> nixternal: 6.0.1?
[15:39] <nixternal> ScottK: kredentials merged
[15:39] <ScottK> Thanks
[15:39] <nixternal> 5.0.12-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1
[15:39] <nixternal> _Groo_: ^^
[15:39] <Riddell> _Groo_: yeah I saw that, based my virtuoso 5.0.12 packages off it, it's now in the archive
[15:39] <Riddell> but not main, sigh
[15:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: really? based on my work? who was based on someone elses? lol.. nice
[15:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: see now http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7332
[15:41] <nixternal> ScottK: interesting thing, is the bzr way of merging, doesn't work with these 2 packages btw
[15:41] <nixternal> out of all the merges I attempted to do the other day with the bzr way, only 1 worked
[15:42] <Riddell> _Groo_: hmm, that .orig still contains a debian directory
[15:42] <nixternal> they need to upgrade that bzr pipe too, to something a bit faster than 100k/s
[15:43] <nixternal> scribus-ng will take a week to get here
[15:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: )(*#(@*#)(@ the rest is fne?
[15:44] <Riddell> _Groo_: "It was downloaded from" don't put the exact URL there, you'd need to change it every release, just the download webpage
[15:44] <Riddell> _Groo_: licence is GPL 2, debian/copyright says GPL 3
[15:45] <nixternal> jjesse: any news on your chapter?
[15:46] <nixternal> holy schnikeys...I could have done a grab-merge by now, and had the package uploading...but now, I have to wait for a bzr branch first, and now I have to do bzr merge-package
[15:46]  * nixternal cocks the gun before hand
[15:48] <nixternal> Warning: criss-cross merge encountered.  See bzr help criss-cross
[15:48] <freinhard> there isn't a virtuoso backend for soprano for 4.4b2 yet?
[15:48]  * nixternal pulls the trigger
[15:48] <jjesse> nixternal: nope
[15:49] <jjesse> still waiting
[15:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok, should be fine now
[15:49] <Riddell> freinhard: yes
[15:50] <freinhard> Riddell: just needs packaging or not possible?
[15:50] <_Groo_> freinhard: its in lucid, i could put one in my ppa if the damn dput didnt locked at the last byte
[15:51] <Riddell> _Groo_: .orig is good
[15:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: \o/ finally
[15:51] <Riddell> _Groo_: but..
[15:51]  * _Groo_ dances around is chair.. co-workers are used to that :P
[15:51] <Riddell> 15:44 < Riddell> _Groo_: "It was downloaded from" don't put the exact URL there, you'd need to change it every release, just the download webpage
[15:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: oO
[15:51] <Riddell> 15:44 < Riddell> _Groo_: licence is GPL 2, debian/copyright says GPL 3
[15:51] <Riddell> those still apply
[15:52] <Riddell> virtuoso is in my ppa https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa
[15:52] <Riddell> for karmic
[15:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: i already uploaded a new one, check again, with the afomentioned changes
[15:52] <freinhard> _Groo_: why not put it into the beta-ppa and add it as dependency since nepomuk/strigi won't work without it?
[15:52] <_Groo_> freinhard: nepomuk /strigi do work without it, its akonadi who doesnt
[15:53] <Riddell> freinhard: I expect we will for the RC, needs more testers first, want to test?
[15:53] <freinhard> Riddell: shure
[15:54] <freinhard> damn microphone producer ;)
[15:54] <nixternal> ScottK: scribus-ng has a sync-req filed for it
[15:54] <ScottK> Easy one then
[15:55] <nixternal> ya, wait for someone to sync it
[15:56] <_Groo_> Riddell: can i jump around my chair now?
[15:57] <Riddell> _Groo_: not yet, I'm test compiling it :)
[15:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: i mean the debian part... it compiles ¬¬
[15:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: ;)
[15:58] <freinhard> anyone willing to package some recent opensync stuff?
[15:59] <ScottK> nixternal's all about packaging stuff today.
[16:00] <freinhard> i guess they need to be done from scratch, i think they changed to cmake
[16:00] <freinhard> i think Quintasan already had a look at it and gave up because of that
[16:00] <Riddell> W: wally: copyright-without-copyright-notice
[16:01] <Riddell> W: wally: spelling-error-in-description XFCE Xfce
[16:01] <Riddell> _Groo_: ^^
[16:01] <_Groo_> Riddell: aaaaaaaahhhhhhh picky picky.. the first one im not quite understanding what the system wants.. the second one is plain evil :D
[16:01] <genii> _Groo_: You should probably use lintian or so
[16:02] <_Groo_> genii: i do
[16:02] <_Groo_> genii: but i didnt recompile after i did the debuild -S
[16:02] <genii> Aaah
[16:04] <Riddell> Copyright: section should say "Copyright 2009 Antonio Di Monaco <tony@becrux.com>"
[16:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: in debian/control?
[16:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: or debian/copyright?
[16:05] <Riddell> debian/copyright
[16:05] <freinhard> Riddell: started nepomuk+strigi in systemsettings, started to convert the nepomuk-db, finished but still states that strigi isn't running. changed back to the systemsettings-overview, then again to nepomuk/strigi-settings, activated strigi once again, apply, started to index.
[16:06] <Riddell> the tricky part is getting it to stop :)
[16:06] <freinhard> looks like strigi doesn't get activated in case the nepomuk-db needs to be converted
[16:06] <Riddell> _Groo_: shouldn't the app have a .desktop file so you can launch it?
[16:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: true... the author forgot and i didnt bother to check.. gonna fix that...
[16:08] <freinhard> Riddell: and finally crashed. that's what i found in .xsession-errors: http://dpaste.com/142119/
[16:08] <nixternal> ScottK: nah, just had to do some stuff for debian, and since I had my pbuilders all warmed up, figured I would ask :)
[16:09] <Riddell> freinhard: possibly the libxml2 from my PPA will help
[16:11] <freinhard> Riddell: is installed
[16:12] <_Groo_> Riddell: whats the proper way to add a .desktop file without polluting the orig?
[16:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: or any file by that matter
[16:14] <Riddell> _Groo_: put it in the debian/ directory and add debian/install
[16:14] <Riddell> containing "debian/wally.desktop usr/share/applications/wally.desktop"
[16:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok uploading
[16:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: done :)
[16:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: and tested
[16:23] <_Groo_> brb
[16:23] <freinhard> Riddell: looks like strigi crashes upon a file, starts again and againd and stops allways in the same folder
[16:24] <Riddell> freinhard: worth waiting for the new strigi then reporting a bug if it still happens
[16:25] <freinhard> new strigi=4.4rc1?
[16:25] <Riddell> no 0.7.1 I think
[16:26] <freinhard> when do i get it from where?
[16:26] <freinhard> i think strigi never worked for me because of some file in that folder
[16:26] <Riddell> dunno doesn't seem to be on vandenoever's page
[16:27] <Riddell> but debian have it http://incoming.debian.org/strigi_0.7.1-1.dsc
[16:27] <Riddell> fabo: where is that from?
[16:27] <ScottK> Grab it from there quick before it dissapears.
[16:28] <ScottK> dget http://incoming.debian.org/strigi_0.7.1-1.dsc
[16:29] <jefferai> Riddell: ping
[16:29] <Riddell> hi jefferai
[16:30] <jefferai> Riddell: I'm trying to track down a problem people seem to have in Amarok with Qt 4.6 and/or KDE 4.4 beta -- so I enabled a few repositories (beta and backports)
[16:31] <jefferai> problem is, after doing that and a dist-upgrade, I can no longer compile amarok because it can't find phonon headers
[16:31] <jefferai> what changed?
[16:32] <Riddell> jefferai:  oh yes, that's the problem Stecchino was having, you need do  ln -s /usr/include/qt4/phonon /usr/include/phonon
[16:32] <Riddell> for reasons I havn't quite worked out yet
[16:32] <jefferai> hm
[16:32] <jefferai> ok
[16:33] <jefferai> so it switched from kde's phonon to qt's?
[16:33] <Riddell> amarok in lucid is probably broken, I synced liblastfm from debian yesterday, it'll need a rebuild
[16:33] <Riddell> jefferai: we've used qt's phonon for a while now but they change the headers with every release and things get confused
[16:34] <jefferai> ah
[16:34] <jefferai> so amarok probably needs some cmake-foo?
[16:36] <Riddell> I'm not sure /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon/Effect is '#include "../../phonon/effect.h"' which to me should end up with /usr/include/qt4/phonon/effect.h but for some reason the compiler wants /usr/include/phonon/effect.h
[16:36] <Riddell> something to do with /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon being a symlink
[16:36] <jefferai> hm
[16:37] <Riddell> mm
[16:37]  * jefferai looks
[16:38] <jefferai> it might be because it's looking relative to where cmake finds things?
[16:38] <jefferai> I dunno
[16:38] <jefferai> I'll take a quick lookaround
[16:39] <Riddell> jefferai: do you want any Kubuntu CDs for camp KDE?
[16:39] <jefferai> um, sure?
[16:40] <jefferai> are you coming?
[16:40]  * jefferai forgets who is and isn't
[16:40] <Riddell> I'm afraid not
[16:40] <jefferai> aww
[16:40] <Riddell> jefferai: e-mail me a postal address and phone number where they could be delivered and I'll see if I can order some
[16:41] <jefferai> ok, cool
[16:42] <jefferai> Riddell: so a few things
[16:42] <jefferai> not sure if they're related
[16:42] <jefferai> one is
[16:42] <jefferai> amaroklib links in KDE4_PHONON_LIBRARY
[16:42] <jefferai> which may be empty, if qt is being used
[16:42] <jefferai> not sure
[16:42] <jefferai> another is that it doesn't explicitly include phonon headers, although that's probably part of QT_INCLUDES
[16:45] <Riddell> let me see if it's broken in lucid
[16:46]  * jefferai notes that it's saying it can't find the file Phonon/Effect
[16:46] <jefferai> it's not saying that it can't find what that file links to
[16:46] <jefferai> it can't find that file, period
[16:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: remove with purge (delete dir) and reinstall the phono-devs.. i had the same problem, it should compile fine afterwards
[16:47] <jefferai> _Groo_: ah really?
[16:48]  * jefferai tries
[16:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: aparently during the upgrade some leftovers still remain that confuses the amarok cmake
[16:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: i had this problem about 2 weeks ago..
[16:48]  * _Groo_ builds a lot of packages :P
[16:48] <jefferai> I wonder what's being left over
[16:49] <Riddell> could be that /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon symlink, it is actually packaged as a directory
[16:49] <jefferai> ah
[16:49] <jefferai> could be
[16:50] <jefferai> _Groo_: how do I tell apt not to remove the things depending on libphonon-dev?
[16:50] <jefferai> like, some --no-deps thing or anything?
[16:50] <verbalshadow> jefferai is not KDE Phonon newer (or have more features) then than QT's
[16:51] <_Groo_> jefferai: use dpkg --purge --force-all package
[16:51] <jefferai> verbalshadow: wuh?
[16:51] <Riddell> we patch the Qt phonon to make it the same as the standalone releases
[16:51] <jefferai> ah, force-all
[16:51] <jefferai> that's it
[16:52] <verbalshadow> Riddell ok
[16:52] <Riddell> and we don't want to use the standalone releases because qt depends on phonon
[16:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: can you check wally now? should be ok now
[16:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: btw the wally packahe also contains a plasma plugin, since the plasma part doesnt actually do anything if the wally binarie isnt active, i didnt separated it into a plasma package.. it would be overkill and confusing to the user.
[16:55] <jefferai> _Groo_: hooray, it worked
[16:55] <jefferai> too bad it's building on the world's slowest machine
[16:55] <jefferai> but it's building
[16:57] <_Groo_> jefferai: whos the man? ;)
[16:57] <jefferai> You are
[16:57]  * jefferai kisses
[16:58] <_Groo_> jefferai: lol, less, less... a thankyou is enough :D maybe a COOKIE!
[16:58] <Riddell> _Groo_: are there any porn filters on this thing?  webcollage screensaver did a similar thing and people got upset when their screensaver suddently poppup with with photos of people doing strange things to each other
[16:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: yes, every single backend has a tagging filter with strong pr0n filter. i used it at worked and never got fired...
[16:59] <jefferai> Riddell: for a moment I thought your first question there referred to my interaction with Groo
[16:59] <jefferai> I haven't done anything hardcore...yet
[16:59] <_Groo_> jefferai: nor you will, not with me anyway :D
[16:59] <Riddell> we allow kissing in this channel, we're very friendly
[17:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: cookie, me wants a cookie
[17:00] <_Groo_> ubottu: cookie?
[17:00] <Riddell> _Groo_: I has pretty wallpaper!
[17:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: did you activate the the plasmoid too?
[17:01] <Riddell> yes
[17:01] <_Groo_> Riddell: should be there in the desktop settings now...
[17:01] <Riddell> it doesn't do much without that
[17:01] <Riddell> yes it's working
[17:01] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah, it gives lots of pretty pictures
[17:01] <Daskreech> _Groo_: You could work at a porn store. Which would say a lot about you never getting fired :)
[17:02] <_Groo_> Daskreech: hmmm true... but they allow chair dancing at pr0n stores?
[17:02]  * Daskreech will go and do hands on research and report
[17:03] <Riddell> _Groo_: shall I upload?
[17:03] <_Groo_> Riddell: upload to where, what?
[17:04] <Riddell> _Groo_: wally to ubuntu
[17:04] <_Groo_> btw are you guys using lucid, i have stranbge bugs this week.. locale stopped working properly and init never goes beyond 2... i need to start kdm via rc.local.
[17:04] <_Groo_> very strange
[17:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: you a MOTU is asking me a mere peon... by all means do!
[17:06] <Riddell> I may have to fix this "W: wally: spelling-error-in-description XFCE Xfce" issue first, that's very important, don't want to upset xfce
[17:06] <_Groo_> Riddell: ehehehehe
[17:07] <_Groo_> Riddell: can i have acess to the kde 4.4 rc builds to start testing
[17:18] <_Groo_> lol the moment i got the invite my evil ati crashed
[17:41] <_Groo_> compiling rekonq 0.3.28... tagged today
[17:42] <_Groo_> which fixes finally the adblock bug...
[17:42] <Daskreech> Hmm Wasn't there a daily build ppa?
[17:42] <_Groo_> Daskreech: there is? for rekonq?
[17:43] <_Groo_> i usually build it with any new tag and send to my ppa
[17:44] <_Groo_> pls some motu update koffice in lucid to 2.1!!! or ill have to build 2.2 svn :D
[17:45] <Daskreech> _Groo_: yeah search for daily rekonq ppa
[17:45] <Daskreech> there is one for chromium as well
[17:46] <_Groo_> Daskreech: yeah, iuse the chromium one, i didnt knew there was one for rekonq... oh well..
[17:47] <Daskreech> :-)
[17:47]  * Daskreech grumbles about not having one for KDE :)
[17:48] <_Groo_> yeah... me wants nightly fixes.. i miss my daily fix
[18:55] <jussi01> Riddell: could you fix kde bug 221701 for me? :D
[19:01] <ulysses__> Riddell: in karmic-backports the version is '4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic1', what have to replace, '4:4.3.4-0ubuntu1~karmic2' ?
[19:03] <Riddell> ulysses__: yes
[19:03] <Riddell> jussi01: ok
[19:05] <jussi01> Riddell: thanks :)
[19:06] <Riddell> hmm, no, I've run out of disk space
[19:09] <jussi01> doh
[19:10] <jussi01> So is anyone going to organise a KDE 4.4 release party?
[19:10] <jussi01> (its a good excuse for a party :D )
[19:21] <freinhard>  what's debian/[compat|pycompat] for?
[19:23] <Riddell> debian/compat is the debhelper version
[19:24] <Riddell> debhelper is the scripts that do much of making the package, sometimes the behavour changes with new releases
[19:24] <Riddell> so that specifies what version it should behave as
[19:24] <Riddell> pycompat is something for python packaging
[19:24] <Riddell> but python packaging keeps changing and I don't do enough of it so I forget
[19:25] <Riddell> NCommander: rumours of a new binary incompatible sip release due says kde-packager list
[19:25] <freinhard> Riddell: and what's the current version it should be set to?
[19:26] <Riddell> debian/compat should be 7 these days
[19:26] <neversfelde> shtylman: nice kdm theme :)
[19:32] <freinhard> is there a howto for packaging cmake projects?
[19:46] <mcas> can anyone tell me the status of timelord?
[19:48] <ScottK> mcas: We are working towards it with the resources we have.  Care to volunteer.
[19:48] <mcas> thx ScottK
[19:51] <freinhard> where do i want to read more stuff on debian/rules? i'm trying to package opensync and bumping the sourrounding libs was somehow easy but changing the rules file is somehow difficult because i don't know what it's sections do
[20:16] <dhillon-v10> Riddell, hi :) can you make me a member of the kubuntu website team so I can triage the bugs, I can still confirm them but just wanted to mark their importance. I can also pick up some of them
[20:24] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: I think you shold talk to ryanakca about that first.
[20:25] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, thanks a bunch, and see I am learning :)
[20:26] <NCommander> Riddell, every python-sip release is binary incompatible
[20:27] <freinhard> how do i get a list of files the source package would install so i can devide them into debian/*.install files?
[20:34] <ryanakca> dhillon-v10: Oh, hi. Of course, done
[20:35] <ryanakca> dhillon-v10: Originally the team was meant to plug into a drupal module so that those on the team had write access to the website, but that never seemed to happen.
[20:45] <al> !seen dpm
[20:45] <al> that's a pity
[20:56] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca, thanks a bunch, so I can now change the important of the bugs right, also where can I find the source for the webpages, incase I need to write a patch
[21:12] <jussi01> al: [23:11:59] [NickServ] Last seen  : Jan 07 20:19:08 2010 (52 minutes, 50 seconds ago)
[21:13] <al> ah, thanks
[21:15]  * jussi01 has a nice little alias set up for that command...
[21:16] <jibel> Riddell, Hi
[21:17] <jibel> Riddell, I triaged bug 503070, I've seen this is fixed in lucid now
[21:18] <jibel> Will you backport the fix to karmic-backport too ?
[21:19] <ScottK> jibel: Put a debdiff in the bug and I'll take care of it.
[21:19] <ScottK> Ping me when it's there.
[21:19] <jibel> ScottK, ok
[21:22] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[21:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: i found a grave bug in kde 4.4 rc1
[21:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: libsoprano doesnt work with virtuoso 6.0.1 from he repos, making the entire plasma-desktop crash over and over
[21:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: if we use the old 5.0.12 it works fine
[21:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: also fancy tasks from lucid makes kde 4.4 rc1 crash
[21:23] <ScottK> _Groo_: What Qt was the fancy tasks in Lucid built against?
[21:24] <_Groo_> ScottK: just a sec.. checking
[21:24] <_Groo_> 4.6
[21:25] <ScottK> _Groo_: 4.6 beta, rc, or final?
[21:26] <_Groo_> ScottK: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.3.85), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.3.85), libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libkonq5 (>= 4:4.3.85), libplasma3, libqimageblitz4, libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.6.0), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.6.0), libqt4-svg (>= 4:4.6.0), libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.6.0), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.6.0), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.6.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libtaskmanager4 (>= 4:4.3.85), libx11-6, libxau6, libxdmcp6
[21:26] <_Groo_> final i believe
[21:26] <_Groo_> gonna recompile it with 4.3.90 to see if its a kdelibs thing
[21:27] <_Groo_> fancy works but it will crash the plasma-desktop eventually.. i believe when receiving/sending a event
[21:27] <_Groo_> also please recompile soprano and put it in the closed repo.. lucids one will not work with virtuoso server
[21:27] <_Groo_> 6.0.1svn
[21:28] <_Groo_> or use mine/riddell 5.0.12
[21:28] <freinhard> what's the relation between debian/foo.install and debian/foo.dir ?
[21:28] <_Groo_> gotta go, seeya all later.. and keep up the good work, kde/kubuntu rocks as usual
[21:33] <ScottK> freinhard: foo.install installs files.  foo.dir creates empty directories to ship in the package.  foo.dir is almost always wrong.
[21:35] <freinhard> ok, just got confused how things work with the cmake.mk class. files that go to /usr/bin are in debian/tmp/usr/bin/
[21:35] <freinhard> don't know if i have to do anything there
[21:50] <jibel> ScottK, do I need to provide a debdiff for all l10n packages or is there a way to do it one time for all ?
[21:50] <ulysses__> jibel: what are you doing?
[21:51] <jibel> ScottK, create a debdiff for karmic-backport
[21:51] <jibel> a simple replace kde-i18-** in debian/control
[21:51] <ulysses__> I do it also
[21:52] <ScottK> jibel: Argh.  It's all of them?
[21:52] <ScottK> nixternal: Can you script something for use?
[21:52] <jibel> ScottK,  yes, but some sed magic will do
[21:52]  * ScottK is still busy with work.
[21:53] <ScottK> jibel: Agreed.  I just don't have the spare brain cells to figure it out right now.
[21:54] <ulysses__> I'm working on the kde-l10n debdiffs now
[21:54] <jibel> ulysses__, I've created the debdiff for 1 locale do you want me to provide what I've done ?
[21:54] <ulysses__> I did it for 40 locale yet, 17 remains
[21:55] <ulysses__> I talked about that with Riddell, he helped me
[21:56] <nixternal> ScottK: what's that?
[21:56] <jibel> ulysses__,  for my reference, how do you update all locales ?
[21:56] <ScottK> nixternal: All the l10n packages need a replaces added
[21:56] <nixternal> I can do that if needed
[21:57] <ScottK> ulysses__ and jibel are fixing it, but I don't want to upload all those (to karmic-backports) by hand
[21:57] <nixternal> only take me a couple of minutes with some sed foo
[21:57] <ScottK> jibel and ulysses__: nixternal is your man.
[21:57] <ulysses__> jibel: one for one, I download every source package, edit the control file, debuild -S and debdiff
[21:57] <ulysses__> I can't upload anyithing, but I can send the debdiff files for someone if I'll be ready
[21:58] <jibel> ulysses__, argh, can't you create a debdiff and creates all the version with some sed script ?
[21:58] <nixternal> ScottK: is the karmic backport ones we uploaded the other night?
[21:58] <nixternal> I still have them all checked out
[21:59] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes.
[21:59] <nixternal> seems those guys are already working on it, so I guess we shall let them figure it out
[21:59] <freinhard> could somebody have a look at the opensync package in my ppa? https://launchpad.net/~freinhard/+archive/ppa
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> YAY! I'm back online
[22:22] <nixternal> Riddell, ScottK: uploaded new feedback applet with the fixed copyright and added a watch file to it
[22:22] <nixternal> about darn time :p
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'm back!
[22:22] <nixternal> you must have installed Windows on your machine during x-mas, as you did say you were having computer problems :p
[22:23] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah no kidding. 4 year olds pouring sippys of water on computers doesn't work well
[22:23] <nixternal> hahahaha
[22:23] <DarkwingDuck> 3500 bucks down the drain
[22:23] <nixternal> been there done that, but I did that when a computer still cost a few grand
[22:24] <nixternal> 3500 bucks got you a P75 with a few meg of ram and a few meg of disk space :)
[22:24] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, It got my netbook and my desktop was on the way out the door
[22:24] <nixternal> and I still have that machine, which has the first release of Debian and KDE still on it :)
[22:24] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I remember those days. Installing DOS over OS2 <G>
[22:24] <nixternal> no, I was installing Slackware with floppy disks
[22:25] <DarkwingDuck> Question, If I take my HD out of my desktop and put it in a new desktop with diff driver conditions what do I have to do to apply new hardware?
[22:25] <jibel> ulysses__, If you're interested, I've generated the debdiff for all 89 packages.
[22:25] <nixternal> weird how things work, I started out with Slackware, and now I use Kubuntu...instead of going from beginner os to expert os, I have gone backwards :)
[22:25] <DarkwingDuck> driver=hardware
[22:25] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: nothing, everything usually takes care of itself, except for binary drivers iirc
[22:25] <nixternal> I just switched drives from one desktop to the other and it just worked
[22:26] <DarkwingDuck> That's what I thought, I was making sure
[22:26] <ulysses__> jibel: 89? in karmic-backports there's kde-l10n 57 package
[22:26] <nixternal> but I use only Intel equipment
[22:26] <DarkwingDuck> the vid card is going from ATI to NVIDIA (Finally)
[22:26] <nixternal> the way it is looking, it seems Intel is not putting their video setups on new mobos
[22:26] <nixternal> like i7 mobos, I can't find one with Intel video
[22:27] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh
[22:27] <DarkwingDuck> But, I'll be cracking on those docs starting tonight :/
[22:28] <jibel> ulysses__, I took those in karmic.
[22:28] <nixternal> groovy...I want to finish everything up by the end of this month
[22:28] <nixternal> I am having a doc jam next week, so I hope I can get some people in chicago working on some final docs
[22:28] <DarkwingDuck> No problem
[22:29] <DarkwingDuck> Netbook will be a bit harder as I no longer have one but, I'll run it via VM and get that finished with Lucid changes
[22:29] <Daskreech> hey DarkwingDuck
[22:29] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to assume that there is a working copy of Lucid
[22:29] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Daskreech
[22:29] <nixternal> yes for lucid
[22:30] <DarkwingDuck> sweet
[22:30] <nixternal> make sure your local docs branch is up to date...I have comitted some things I think while you were gone
[22:31] <nixternal> also, I need to get dhillon to update his as well and request another merge so I can get his stuff in
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> okay, I will
[22:31] <nixternal> that will knock out quite a bit of work
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> sweet
[22:31] <nixternal> I slacked and didn't merge in his old stuff
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> I'll be back into the swing of things quickly
[22:31] <nixternal> but from what I saw, there will still be a bit of work left on his stuff...but it may be good enough for a first version
[22:34] <DarkwingDuck> ok
[22:34] <nixternal> ok, back to some code
[22:35] <DarkwingDuck> ok I'll be back in a cple hours
[22:38] <ulysses__> Riddell: I sent you an e-mail with a gzipped archive, it contains de debdiff files
[22:59] <freinhard> what went wrong here? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37597230/upload_1435073_log.txt
[23:18] <Riddell> freinhard: hmm, don't actually know, uploading to a PPA?
[23:18] <Riddell> ulysses__: great, I'll upload tomorrow proabably
[23:21] <freinhard> Riddell: wgrant said over at #ubuntu-devel that it's a launchpad bug.
[23:22] <wgrant> A rare largely harmless one, but yes.