[00:26] <pvp_yu> Good morning
[00:27] <camilo> ??????????????'
[00:30] <pvp_yu> any Questions?
[00:32] <jwill> Nope.
[00:33] <pvp_yu> our time GMT +8
[00:41] <stormbringer> hey guys i have a ? i have wine 1.0.1 and trying to install wow but it seems i need to update wine i have alot of wow installed and dont want to start over so if i delete or unistall wine and reinstall from tar.bz will i lose all i have installed under wine
[00:42] <Kage> stormbringer: I can save you a lot of time... money.... and possibly save your life.... don't play WoW
[00:44] <foghorn> greetings
[00:46] <foghorn> anyone having problems w/ the xorg drivers for "karmic"?
[00:47] <stormbringer> anyone in here play wow
[00:47] <jwill> foghorn: No-one, ever.
[00:47] <foghorn> lol
[00:48] <jwill> stormbringer: You can get wine 1.2 from the wine ppa.
[00:49] <jwill> stormbringer: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb under "Adding the WineHQ APT Repository:"
[00:49] <stormbringer> i tryed to get it via ppa but it still says i am useing 1.0.1
[00:49] <jwill> You tried to get it through that ppa?  You're still using 1.0.1?
[00:50] <jwill> Sounds like you forgot to install 1.2.
[00:51] <stormbringer> and kage i am 38 years old i dont think i am going to have that problem lol
[00:51] <stormbringer> let me see but i am sure i did install it
[00:51] <Zeppelin> is there any reason i should be having an error installing Kubuntu?
[00:52] <Zeppelin> I installed Kubuntu 64-bit on my machine that is 32-bit, and later realized it. Now I'm trying to install Kubuntu 32-bit over the 64-bit
[00:52] <Kage> stormbringer: Yeah.... I didn't think I would have a problem with it anyways...
[00:52] <Zeppelin> Is there any reason this should give me an error?
[00:52] <Kage> stormbringer: took me 1 year to admit I had a problem...
[00:52] <jwill> Zeppelin: What error are you getting?
[00:52] <stormbringer> only error i have ever seen has been when i tryed to install the version i have on my daugthers box just to find out she does not have a 64 bit system lol
[00:53] <Zeppelin> well
[00:53] <Zeppelin> I'm not getting any error speficially
[00:53] <Zeppelin> just after i select 'English' and select 'Install Kubuntu'
[00:53] <Zeppelin> it shows me the splash screen for a little bit
[00:53] <Zeppelin> then it just shows nothing
[00:54] <foghorn> try running the live cd and installing from the GUI
[00:55] <stormbringer> i am showing a update for wine 1.1.335 but it is blocked
[00:57] <jwill> stormbringer: The package is called wine1.2, I believe.
[00:57] <jwill> stormbringer: You might have to remove wine 1.1.x first, though
[00:58] <stormbringer> shit that is what i was afraid of i just hope i dont lose all the programs i have installed via wine
[00:58] <jwill> stormbringer: Pretty sure that won't happen.
[00:59] <stormbringer> kk
[00:59] <jwill> stormbringer: Reasonably
[00:59] <Zeppelin> wow
[00:59] <Zeppelin> did the same thing
[00:59] <Zeppelin> went to the screen of nothing ness
[01:00] <jwill> Zeppelin: Try pressing CTRL + ALT + F1
[01:00] <stormbringer> not like i got much of a choice now do i lol
[01:00] <Zeppelin> what would that do?
[01:00] <stormbringer> shuts down xserver
[01:00] <jwill> stormbringer: If you're really concerned, you could rename the .wine dir
[01:01] <jwill> stormbringer: Actually, removing programs doesn't remove their .dirs unless you use "apt-get purge"
[01:01] <jwill> stormbringer: So you're safe.
[01:01] <jwill> Zeppelin: See if you can get to a virtual terminal
[01:01] <stormbringer> iwill: kk will try that
[01:01] <jwill> Zeppelin: Actually, you should check disc integrity, first.
[01:02] <jwill> Zeppelin: Most likely, your cd has some errors on it.
[01:02] <Zeppelin> i'm checking atm
[01:02] <Zeppelin> say there are errors
[01:02] <Zeppelin> will i have to redownload the iso itself?
[01:02] <Zeppelin> or just re-burn it?
[01:03] <jwill> Zeppelin: You should checksum the downloaded iso (takes 2 seconds) and reburn it.
[01:03] <stormbringer> make sure you are downloading the proper version for your box
[01:03] <foghorn> reburn works for me...usually
[01:03] <jwill> Zeppelin: If checksum fails, you'll have to redownload, though if you did it through a torrent, you just have to redownload the corrupted bits.
[01:03] <jwill> foghorn: Problem is when it doesn't :P
[01:04] <Zeppelin> jwill
[01:04] <jwill> Zeppelin: ?
[01:04] <Zeppelin> is checking the integrity and checksumming at all different?
[01:04] <jwill> Zeppelin: There are two ways your disc could have gotten corrupted
[01:04] <jwill> Zeppelin: A) When you were downloading it B) when you were burning it
[01:04] <foghorn> md5 as you said
[01:05] <foghorn> i was too slow typing
[01:05] <jwill> Zeppelin: Checksumming the .iso checks for A, checking the disc checks for B
[01:05] <jwill> Zeppelin: "Verifying the disc integrity" is just checksumming the disc, so they're the same thing, just to different things.
[01:07] <Zeppelin> how do i checksum
[01:07] <jwill> Zeppelin: For the disc, it's on the menu below 'install ubuntu'
[01:07] <Zeppelin> i'm checking the disk with Check Disk for Defects
[01:07] <Zeppelin> atm
[01:07] <Zeppelin> i wanna checksum the iso
[01:07] <stormbringer> ok now it says i am running 1.1.35 i insatlled the ver. wine1.2  1.1.35 so i hope it is the right one
[01:08] <jwill> Zeppelin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[01:08] <spider> my KGpg wont launch - anyone else have this problem with 9.10?
[01:08] <jwill> Zeppelin: At the bottom are the kubuntu iso checksums: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[01:09] <jwill> spider: Don't have it installed
[01:10] <stormbringer> HOLY SHIT MY WOW CAME UP LOL
[01:10] <jwill> !language
[01:10] <stormbringer> sorry wont happen again
[01:10] <jwill> :D
[01:10] <jwill_is_afk> brb
[01:11] <foghorn> finally! a civilized group of ppl!
[01:11] <Zeppelin> what checksum should I be getting jwill
 Zeppelin: At the bottom are the kubuntu iso checksums: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[01:12] <Planetary> OMG my ulitimate boot loader cd fixed my 'operating system not found' problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:13] <Zeppelin> yea
[01:13] <Zeppelin> my checksum is ok
[01:13] <Zeppelin> and the disk intergrity check found no error
[01:13] <Zeppelin> i think it's because I'm trying to install a 32-bit over a 64-bit kubuntu
[01:14] <foghorn> I want to try VM on my linux box to access WinXP, is it best to start with an empty partition?
[01:15] <spider> you don't really need to create a partition for VM, it stores the hard drive as a file - a virtual hard drive
[01:15] <jwill> Planetary: !!!
[01:16] <stormbringer> ok got to log for now so i can reboot and tweek someone lol later guys and thanks for the help
[01:16] <jwill> Zeppelin: That wouldn't explain why it doesn't load.
[01:16] <Zeppelin> meh
[01:16] <Zeppelin> :-(
[01:16] <jwill> So the 64 bit livecd worked, but 32 bit doesn't?
[01:16] <Zeppelin> yessir
[01:17] <jwill> Want to try the 64 bit live cd again to see if it works?
[01:17] <foghorn> i guess whay i am asking is that i dual boot  and my xp install is currently borked, i would like to try and fix it from linux if possible, perhaps I am going about it the right way
[01:17] <jwill> I don't see why 32 bit wouldn't work while the other does...
[01:17] <jwill> foghorn: You want to convert your old winXP install into a virtual machine?
[01:18] <foghorn> is that not smart?
[01:18] <jwill> With vmware?
[01:18] <Planetary> speaking of bits. if you have a system with dual 32bit cpus on it can you run a 64 bit os? i dont think so but...
[01:18] <foghorn> yes
[01:19] <foghorn> brb
[01:19] <spider> basically I am done with dual booting, I use Sun VirtualBox and VM my Vista
[01:19] <jwill> Planetary: No.
[01:19] <jwill> spider: Yeah, virtualbox is win.
[01:19] <Planetary> jwill: figured.
[01:20] <foghorn> back
[01:20] <foghorn> so can i finally lose the NTFS partition? :)
[01:21] <jwill> foghorn: Does vmware have free a converter now?
[01:21] <jwill> ...free a*
[01:21] <jwill> ......................a free*
[01:22] <ilumi> what's a good video editing software tha can capture from firewire?
[01:22] <foghorn> dunno, i have never done this b4, but am dying to try
[01:22] <spider> Virtualbox is easier to set up than VMWare
[01:22] <foghorn> i think thats what i d/l'd
[01:23] <jwill> foghorn: You'd probably have to do a fresh install inside a new virtual machine
[01:23] <jwill> vmware is mostly oriented towards enterprise and is hard for single users.  Virtualbox is much better.  Also it's open source.
[01:23] <jwill> has an open source version without usb*
[01:23] <foghorn> yes that is what i have
[01:24] <coreyB> virtualbox is a little slower though
[01:24] <foghorn> speed is of no concern, i just want to lean how to do it
[01:24] <jwill> coreyB: Windows.  XP.
[01:24] <jwill> coreyB: OS from 9 years ago.
[01:24] <foghorn> lol
[01:25] <coreyB> lol?
[01:25] <coreyB> a os that still works without all the junk 7 has
[01:25] <foghorn> aye but 7 is cleaner that vista
[01:25] <foghorn> ...*than
[01:26] <Zeppelin> jwill: Wanna be my friend?
[01:26] <coreyB> lol.
[01:26] <coreyB> jwill,  may i pm ya?
[01:27] <coreyB> ftw foghorn  i like vista better.
[01:27] <jwill> I don't think quanta has that feature, Zeppelin D:
[01:27] <foghorn> coreyB: really?
[01:28] <coreyB> yup.
[01:28] <coreyB> i had no problems with it, and even if i did, i actually know how to fix things unlike some people that just instantly jump on the vista hating boat.
[01:29] <foghorn> this is true, many things changed w/ vista.
[01:30] <foghorn> later all, got company
[01:30] <foghorn> thanks all for your help!
[01:41] <what_if> When I try to delete files I get the error: "Access denied to /home/z3r0/.local/share/Trash/files/[FILE TO DELETE] " Google offers no help, already manually deleted all the files in the trashcan.
[01:41] <what_if> Any ideas from the group>
[01:41] <coreyB> is the file in use..?
[01:43] <what_if> should not be, will check with lsof
[01:44] <what_if> according to lsof, no. Not open/ in use. it is only this one directory. Everything else deletes perfectly fine.
[01:45] <Krezkey> does anyone know how to block microsofts BING from the the browsers
[01:46] <coreyB> what_if,  have you tried restarting?
[01:46] <coreyB> Krezkey,  sec
[01:47] <coreyB> Krezkey,  /etc/hosts
[01:47] <what_if> yes, have restarted already. Earlier the whole system locked while deleting a 4+GB folder from the trash.
[01:47] <coreyB> add the following line : 127.0.0.1   bing.com
[01:47] <Krezkey> ok cool. just like windows
[01:47] <coreyB> yuppers
[01:48] <Krezkey> sweet...thanks coreyB
[01:48] <coreyB> what_if,  well keep in mind thats a lot of data, and if you have a slow hard drive, its gonna happen
[01:51] <jwill> Not really.  Shouldn't.
[01:51] <what_if> dropped to a console and rm'd it. Still no idea why dolphin could not delete the folder (either to trash or actually delete)
[01:51] <jwill> what_if: Strange.
[01:52] <jwill> what_if: Did you see any error output?
[01:52] <jwill> what_if: You could try searching kde for a bug with the error popup string.
[01:53] <what_if> when putting in trash error was "Access denied to /home/z3r0/.local/share/Trash/files/[filename]"
[01:53] <what_if> yes, an access denied error to the trashcan files directory
[01:54] <what_if> .
[01:55] <what_if> I was not seeing my own entries to the chat... Did you get the info about the error messages?
[01:55] <jwill> what_if: I'd look for a bug with that as a search (bugs.kde.org).  Might find an explanation.
[01:55] <jwill> what_if: Yes.
[01:56] <Krezkey> well coreyB I found the host file but it's locked up and can't change properties
[01:56] <what_if> I looked earlier but only found errors relating to the quota management... which I may have encountered. Have deleted at least 10GB from this system today. I followed a howto to manually delete the files and info, but this last file's error persisted. All better now
[01:57] <javier_> hi!someone could tell me how to order files in k3b DVD project before recording?
[01:57] <abdifataah> hello evrybody
[01:57] <coreyB> Krezkey,  you gotta open it with root priv
[01:58] <coreyB> i dont know the default text editor for kubuntu, so sudo apt-get install gedit
[01:58] <coreyB> then, sudo gedit /etc/hosts
[01:58] <Krezkey> so log out and log in as root ?
[01:58] <coreyB> No.
[01:59] <Krezkey> kate is default editor
[01:59] <coreyB> ah
[01:59] <coreyB> i believe it would be sudo kate /etc/hosts    then
[02:00] <Krezkey> ok i'll give it a try
[02:02] <jwill> javier_: Order files?
[02:02] <jwill> javier_: Oh, for music CDs... I don't know.
[02:03] <Krezkey> guess i need more command line for terminal...that did not work
[02:03] <coreyB> oh jwill  whats the command to install kubuntu restrictions or w/e so i can play dvds?
[02:03] <javier_> jwill: no, not for music
[02:03] <javier_> for data
[02:05] <javier_> it orders them (if you have 12 files with names 1,2,3,4,...) like 1,11,12, 2,3,4,5,...
[02:05] <javier_> jwill: i would like them in logical order
[02:05] <jwill> javier_: ...
[02:05] <javier_> jwill: or you think they will appear later in the computer just in the order you give them in your sistem=
[02:05] <javier_> ?
[02:05] <jwill> javier_: Order on the filesystem has nothing to do with displayed order.
[02:06] <javier_> ok :)
[02:06] <javier_> so it was a stupid question :)
[02:06] <javier_> thanks anyway, i burn it safer now :)
[02:06] <jwill> You can sort things by name or other stuff by clicking on the colums tops (click on the name column header, for example)
[02:07] <javier_> yes, i thought that was going to be, but wasnt totally sure
[02:10] <javier_> jwill: thanks!
[02:19] <Planetary> aw my key board wont work, its an old usb. it even wont work in ps2 port. though a ps2 keybord will. i had them both pluged in too. why no work?
[02:20] <Guest14915> woops
[02:20] <rstob911> Planetary: its tired
[02:21] <Planetary> haha.... it works now i pluged in into a usb 2.0 card
[02:21] <Planetary> yay
[02:22] <cooper> hi all
[02:22] <eric_> hi
[02:22] <Planetary> hey
[02:22] <cooper> does annyone know a cool looking irc client for linux?
[02:23] <cooper> ?
[02:23] <eric_> cool looking?
[02:24] <cooper> yes somthing that is nice with a transparent background for instance
[02:25] <Planetary> just did a fresh install with an ati video card computer. it defaults to full resolution at start up, but when i click display in system settings ti goes to the res i want. strange...
[02:26] <eric_> I'm not sure, cooper..I'm using Konversation, it looks nice I guess
[02:26] <cooper> hmm yes i am too can you custumise konversion? (srry im new to this)
[02:27] <Eric> I think so
[02:27] <cooper> and how would i do that?
[02:34] <Planetary> how do i change login menu resolution?
[02:35] <jwill> I think it's auto set to max res
[02:36] <Planetary> it is but i want to drop it down. i feel it will fix my res when i log in
[02:36] <jwill> You want a lower res?  Why?
[02:42] <Planetary> ya i guess ill try it up high. myself and other users were used to lower
[02:49] <jwill> Planetary: ATI has lots of bugs and whatnot
[02:49] <jwill> Planetary: You can increase font size, since that's the main thing with high resolutions
[02:50] <Planetary> ya i try to use nvidia
[02:50] <Planetary> yep i did that thanks
[02:50] <jwill> Planetary: That's pretty weird though...
[02:50] <jwill> Planetary: Actually, you could probably have a one line script in ~/.kde/Autostart that just sets the resolution to what you want every login
[02:51] <jwill> Planetary: As a workaround
[02:51] <Planetary> jwill: ok ill remember that
[02:51] <Planetary> jwill. i did find a thread about it but havent read it
[02:52] <jwill> Planetary: 1 sec, looking at xrandr man page
[02:52] <jwill> (it's probably what you want)
[02:53] <jwill> Okay, you could try a script like this: sleep 1
[02:54] <jwill> the next line: xrandr -s 456x123
[02:54] <jwill> where 456 is width and 123 is height
[02:54] <jwill> sleep is in seconds, and it probably needs to be more like 5, depending on your system.
[02:55] <Planetary> ok thanks
[03:01] <snarkster> how does one use kbluetooth?
[03:02] <snarkster> it wont connect to my G1
[03:02] <snarkster> BUT my vista partition will use my phone as a audio device
[03:06] <snarkster> anyone there?
[03:11] <francisco_> anyone who know how to set raid 0 in ubuntu server 8.04 lst
[03:13] <Planetary> what key is meta?
[03:14] <francisco_> any smartone
[03:29] <hjw> can anybody point me at the correct file to modify in order to change the users' default   kickoff/kmenu?
[03:39] <jwill> hjw: To change the launcher menu a user uses, or to change the _default_ for newly created users?
[03:41] <hjw> jwill: I'd like to set the default for all of my users.  I'm moving them all over from kde3
[03:43] <jwill> hjw: Then sorry, don't know.  Could try #kde, but it's pretty dead right now.
[03:43] <jwill> hjw: More people there than here, though, and it's a KDE, not kubuntu question.
[03:43] <hjw> Kmenu defaults to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kickoffrc, is there some place it  would look after that?
[03:44] <jwill> hjw: Again, don't know.  It would have something to do with the default plasma layout, not the specific widgets.
[03:44] <jwill> hjw: Figure out where the default layout is, and you can probably edit it.
[03:45] <hjw> the default layout is in kubuntu-defaults but I assume if I edit that any updates will override it
[03:45] <jwill> hjw: Alternatively, you just write a script that runs on creating a new user.  Not as elegant, but would definitely work.
[03:46] <jwill> hjw: I know where the current plasma rc is, just a sec
[03:48] <jwill> hjw: Okay, I think it's ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[03:49] <jwill> hjw: The people in #kde might have a better solution, though.
[03:49] <hjw> yes, thats the personal one for each user, if they don't have anything in their home it pulls it from /usr/share/kubuntu-defaults...config/ but I can't seem to override   that
[03:50] <jwill> hjw: I don't know how to override it, just mentioning a workaround.
[03:51] <hjw> thanks jwill, I'll keep searching.... there's no info on kubuntu sites other than referring to kde.org,  who specifies    directories which should work but they don't/ I'm doing something wrong.
[03:52] <jwill> hjw: Probably kubuntu screwing it up.
[03:52] <jwill> hjw: Knowing kubuntu...
[03:53] <hjw> jwill: ouch, that's not what I expected to hear on #kubuntu
[03:54] <memenode> eh.. eh..
[03:54] <memenode> pulling my tongue
[03:54] <memenode> and good timing too because this "beta" is acting more like pre-alpha.. ffs
[03:54] <memenode> good on me for taking the chances and it shoving me a big fat finger
[03:55] <jwill> hjw: I avoid distro betas as much as possible.  The KDE betas are the only ones with new features, anyways.
[03:55] <jwill> I mean memenode...
[03:55] <memenode> it's a kde beta..
[03:56] <memenode> and feature freeze is in effect from what I heard..
[03:57] <jwill> memenode: As of November.
[03:57] <jwill> memenode: RC is out today or tomorrow, so I'm not bothering with the beta.
[03:58] <memenode> eh I didn't know :S
[03:59] <memenode> looks like some dbus issue.. plasma crashes on its start and complains of no reply from dbus
[03:59] <jwill> memenode: Hey, we had someone in here a while ago with a similar problem in 4.3
[04:00] <jwill> It might have been solved.  You'd have to look in the logs.
[04:00] <memenode> hm they don't go that far back probably
[04:03] <jwill> memenode: They do.
[04:05] <jwill> memenode: I think it's "u19809", but it must span into the next day: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/01/05/%23kubuntu.txt
[04:05] <ilumi> how do i delete without moving to trash?
[04:05] <jwill> ...nevermind, it must have happened in #kde
[04:06] <jwill> ilumi: You can enable it as a right-click option in dolphin general settings
[04:06] <ilumi> jwill: shift used to work, not now
[04:07] <memenode> oh
[04:07] <memenode> jwill: might be helpful, thanks
[04:07] <coreyB> jwill,  where to be exact?
[04:07] <jwill> coreyB: delete?
[04:07] <coreyB> yeas
[04:07] <coreyB> yes* lol
[04:08] <jwill> coreyB: General category in settings in dolphin
[04:08] <jwill> coreyB: Oops, not there, nvm
[04:08] <jwill> coreyB: General in 'context menu' tab
[04:09] <coreyB> take a screenshot jwill  i cant find it
[04:09] <jwill> http://imagebin.ca/view/27nTJBJK.html
[04:13]  * Kage is going to bed... night
[04:15] <coreyB> night kage
[04:42] <gajananavaze> hi
[04:46] <ahsan> hi to all
[04:46] <ahsan> can any body temme which is the best antivirus n spyware software for kubuntu
[04:52] <iconmefisto> ahsan: clamav is the only one I know of
[04:53] <ahsan> thanks
[04:54] <iconmefisto> ahsan: btw, the only good reason to use it with kubuntu is to protect windows machines you may be sending files to
[04:54] <ahsan> actually i cant open my hotmail  account using firefox
[04:55] <ahsan> i called my isp
[04:55] <ahsan> they r saying scan ur computer
[04:55] <iconmefisto> ahsan: ok, it won't hurt, but I doubt very much that is the problem
[04:56] <iconmefisto> ahsan: have you tried creating a new firefox profile and trying hotmail?
[04:56] <ahsan> nope :$
[04:56] <ahsan> at the moment i m uninstalling firefox
[04:57] <ahsan> n den reinstalling it
[04:57] <ahsan> btw konqueror is also unable to open ma hotmail account
[04:57] <ahsan> n yes i m also in doubt tat my machine is infected
[04:58] <ahsan> caz i m dowloading file n browsing net normally otherwise
[05:02] <iconmefisto> ahsan: if you're going to reinstall firefox, delete the ~/.mozilla folder to remove your old profile
[05:02] <ahsan> thnx
[05:05] <Zeppelin> say my friend wants to change his Kubuntu cursor
[05:05] <Zeppelin> how would my friend do this?
[05:06] <iconmefisto> Zeppelin: your friend could go to systemsettings, keyboard and mouse, cursor theme tab
[05:08] <Zeppelin> my friend says thank you
[05:09] <iconmefisto> you can find cursor themes on http://www.kde-look.org
[05:14] <bishop> joining
[05:14] <ilumi> how can i find where a file or program installed?
[05:15] <iconmefisto> ilumi: whereis firefox
[05:15] <iconmefisto> for example
[05:16] <ilumi> iconmefisto: that doesnt always work sometimes it just returns the same name(only)
[05:17] <ilumi> i tried whereis locate and find, none do what i want
[05:17] <iconmefisto> what are you searching for?
[05:18] <ilumi> lmt
[05:18] <iconmefisto> what is that?
[05:19] <ilumi> some multimedia framework
[05:19] <ilumi> liblmt
[05:20] <ilumi> libmlt1
[05:20] <reybul> hello, i can't see video in dragon player audio is ok, video is black screen only
[05:21] <ilumi> reybul: you see a blue icon pop up by the clock?
[05:21] <reybul> no
[05:21] <ilumi> reybul: you need codecs
[05:23] <bishop> hey
[05:24] <kamola> hey
[05:24] <reybul> ok, but after all work fine, and i install vlc player
[05:25] <kamola> just installed kubuntu. now it asks for a password... what can i do?
[05:25] <reybul> and now not work vlc player o dgragon player
[05:25] <zagrot> hello room!
[05:25] <kamola> hello zagrot
[05:25] <ilumi> !codecs
[05:25] <kamola> i'm a noob... sry
[05:26] <reybul> codecs ok, tks
[05:26] <kamola> i didn't give a pass for kubuntu
[05:26] <ilumi> try blank
[05:26] <kamola> i'm on windows xp pro now
[05:26] <zagrot> I have a quick question, is there a konsole command to find the version of kubuntu that i'm running?  similar th the ver command in dos?
[05:26] <kamola> everything blank(2 lines)?
[05:27] <kamola> ok
[05:27] <kamola> i'll check that
[05:27] <ilumi> what did you put for username?
[05:27] <ilumi> thats your username
[05:27] <ilumi> for password is whatever you put in or blank?
[05:27] <iconmefisto> zagrot: uname -a   and    kded4 -version
[05:28] <kamola> i didn't give it a username as i can remember... i had hard work last days
[05:28] <zagrot> thanks a ton iconmefisto
[05:28] <ilumi> kamola: it wont install without it
[05:29] <iconmefisto> zagrot: there's also lsb_release -a
[05:29] <kamola> ok, brain get up now! thx
[05:29] <zagrot> wa's lsb?
[05:30] <zagrot> sorry, what's lsb?
[05:30] <kamola> big thx ilumi!
[05:30] <iconmefisto> zagrot: stands for Linux Standard Base, but I don't really know what it means
[05:31] <zagrot> sounds meaningful
[05:31] <zagrot> i like to know my acronyms, it helps figure things ou when they get complicated
[05:31] <zagrot> *gets pen and paper*
[05:32] <iconmefisto> man lsb_release might explain (or might not)
[05:32] <reybul> tks, i'll check codecs and links ubottu
[05:33] <zagrot> it gave me the information i was looking for
[05:34] <zagrot> the previous two as well, but in a bit more cryptic form
[05:34] <iconmefisto> they tell you different things, linux kernel that is running, distro version, and kde version
[05:35] <ilumi> reybul: ubottu thanks you
[05:36] <zagrot> i really wanted distro version so i can look for a tutorial to modify my grub menu
[05:36] <zagrot> but i'm not very knowelegable of the *nix command line yet
[05:37] <zagrot> i did not want to find outdated information and screw up my new installation
[05:38] <iconmefisto> zagrot: ok, there are now 2 versions of grub. you'll likely find lots of info about grub, but from 9.10 karmic, grub2 is installed by default
[05:38] <zagrot> that is good to know
[05:39] <iconmefisto> !grub2
[05:39] <zagrot> i already found a grub tutorial, but the menu.1st file did not exist in /boot/grub
[05:39] <iconmefisto> try that link ^^
[05:39] <zagrot> and then i realised that i downloded the kubunu iso maybe three months ago
[05:40] <zagrot> wasn't sure if here had been a release since then
[05:41] <zagrot> back in a few mines
[05:41] <zagrot> minutes
[05:46] <kamola> back again. i really don't remember my loginnick for kubuntu now... is there any other choice to remember that?
[05:47] <kamola> ---hard work-- and i'm a noob
[05:48] <iconmefisto> kamola: have you ever used this login, or is it a new install?
[05:48] <kamola> i'll remember after work today then later....
[05:48] <kamola> it's a completely new install
[05:49] <iconmefisto> kamola: you could probably boot in recovery mode and create a new user
[05:50] <kamola> how do i reboot in recovery mode?
[05:51] <kamola> i hate my lcd...
[05:51] <iconmefisto> kamola: when starting up choose recovery mode from the grub menu. if you don't see the grub menu, press esc key
[05:51] <kamola> after booting and stuff it's getting dark immediately sometimes
[05:51] <iconmefisto> or it might have changed to shift key, I'm not sure. try both
[05:51] <kamola> buggy monitor :(
[05:52] <kamola> ok, thx much iconmefisto
[05:52] <iconmefisto> kamola: do you know the adduser command?
[05:52] <kamola> no
[05:52] <kamola> i never used linux :((((
[05:53] <kamola> always not compatible to my wifi
[05:53] <kamola> i'll reboot now and'll c
[05:53] <iconmefisto> when you've booted in recovery mode, you'll be logged in as root (similar to windows administrator mode). to add a user: adduser --system <name-of-new-user>
[05:54] <kamola> yes, interesting and good.... thx!
[05:55] <bishop> kamola what do u think of linux after using xp?
[05:58] <reybul> iconmefisto:to logged in as root mode i need password?
[05:59] <iconmefisto> does it ask for password?
[06:00] <zagrot> kamola: google the make and model of your lcd combined with "power supply" and you'll probably find a reconditioning tutorial.  if you are handy with a soldering iron i'll bet you can fix the thing for less than $20.
[06:01] <reybul> sorry i dont now, only ask for
[06:01] <zagrot> i just scored two lcd monitors that only needed capacitors to be replaced
[06:02] <iconmefisto> reybul: do you mean booting in recovery mode?
[06:02] <zagrot> iconmefisto: thanks for the wiki link.  i was not aware that there was a grub2.
[06:03] <zagrot> i probably would have screwed up royally with the tutorial i found.
[06:05] <Derath-Srvr> hi all
[06:05] <reybul> no,only to know,
[06:08] <bishop> got2go...
[06:19] <zagrot> iconmefisto: I think i have found what i need, but i'd like your opinion.  the information in the /etc/grub.d/ section of the wiki suggests that i can reorder the grub menu by changing the numbers of the files it loads.  i'm dual booting and i'd like to have the windows xp as default because this computer is for my bother's school work (he linux install is my toy).  i'd also want to have the os seletions before the memtest and linux recovery selections.
[06:19] <zagrot>  will renumbering the files accomplish this?
[06:23] <iconmefisto> zagrot: afaik, the default is set in /etc/default/grub
[06:23] <zagrot> oh, just found the readme in the grub.d folder.  i says entry 10_* is reserved for native boot entries
[06:24] <iconmefisto> zagrot: in /etc/default/grub  there is GRUB_DEFAULT=0 which means boot the first item in the menu
[06:25] <zagrot> so linux must occupy entry 0, but i can say default=1 for the second entry
[06:26] <iconmefisto> zagrot: might be a good idea to keep backups of any files you edit, so you can restore them with a livecd if you do something disastrous
[06:26] <zagrot> i know
[06:26] <zagrot> not rying to sound rude
[06:26] <zagrot> just been there before
[06:26] <iconmefisto> np zagrot
[06:26] <zagrot> :(
[06:27] <zagrot> thanks for the help, gotta get some sleep before the night sneaks away
[06:27] <zagrot> later
[06:28] <kubuntu_> hi there, been struggling to empty our my Wastebin. fo some funny reasons some finle get locked up
[06:29] <kubuntu_> <some files>
[06:50] <noaXess> good morning community..
[06:52] <petsounds> good afternoon noaXess :D
[06:52] <noaXess> :)... suisse time 07:52 am.. petsounds where are you living?
[06:52] <noaXess> does somebody knows about thunderbird 3 will be available in kubuntu repos?
[06:53] <petsounds> 13:52 PM here in indonesia
[06:55] <noaXess> petsounds: so just a half day gone ;)
[06:59] <petsounds> noaXess, i'll be out for a while to get lunch. nice to meet you :)
[07:02] <ghale> noaxess, you can get thunderbird 3 by adding the mozilla daily or beta ppa
[07:06] <Derath-Srvr> Hi LD
[07:06] <noaXess> ghale: ok.. but then i get also daily's firefox...
[07:07] <ghale> you can just unselect it after installing thunderbird i think
[07:07] <noaXess> have now downloaded tb3 from getthunderbird.com.. extracted.. but can't start it ?.. i run thunderbird and get: can't find thunderbird-bin
[07:07] <noaXess> i have done that on other systems without problems..
[07:08] <noaXess> need a coffee..
[07:14] <jschall> is there a way to put my wifi passwords in a kwallet with no password so that i don't have to type in my password to open my kwallet immediately when i start my laptop?
[07:20] <Derath-Srvr> jschall: I believe when you first use kwallet, just leave the password empty...
[07:21] <Derath-Srvr> As far as fixing afterwards, I think there's a directory that you can rm, but I'm not certain...
[07:24] <iconmefisto> noaXess: where is thunderbird installed?
[07:28] <jschall> Derath-Srvr: what if i have other passwords which i do want to keep protected?
[07:28] <noaXess> iconmefisto: just extracted it in the home folder.. so on my machine this works.. on the other not yet
[07:28] <Derath-Srvr> jschall: In that case, I don't think there's an option to protect some and not others...
[07:29] <noaXess> iconmefisto: if i run ./thunderbird in the extracted folder it get: ./run-mozilla.sh: 399: ./thunderbird-bin: not found
[07:35] <iconmefisto> noaXess: is thunderbird-bin in that folder? I just downloaded and installed it and it starts up fine
[07:36] <noaXess> iconmefisto: yes.. i also downloaded the thunderbird-3.0.tar.bz2 file, extracted it to /home/username/apps/thunderbird and start ./thunderbird in that folder, but not tb.. :(
[07:39] <iconmefisto> noaXess: is thunderbird-bin in that folder?
[07:40] <noaXess> iconmefisto: yes..
[07:40] <noaXess> i think it's the 32bit 64bit problem, cause the system is 64bit.. so..
[07:41] <noaXess> get back soon..
[07:42] <jschall> is there any way to make knetworkmanager use a different wallet other than the default "kdewallet"? i hate that it pops up a password request immediately when the computer starts
[07:47] <iconmefisto> noaXess: maybe try downloading the 64 bit deb at http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/t/thunderbird-3.1/
[07:58] <iconmefisto> noaXess: or just add that ppa to sources.list
[07:58] <Cruella> noaXess: or just add that ppa to sources.list
[07:58] <noaXess> spaceno.. i won't....
[07:59] <Cruella> spaceno.. i won't....
[07:59] <iconmefisto> what's with the echoing?
[08:00] <noaXess> ups..
[08:00] <noaXess> sorry.. :)
[08:00] <Cruella> what's with the echoing?
[08:00] <iconmefisto> hmm
[08:00] <Cruella> ups..
[08:00] <Cruella> sorry.. :)
[08:00] <Cruella> hmm
[08:01] <noaXess> i want install it from getthunderbird.com.. but i think the problem is, cause i have a 64bit system and ia32-libs isn't installed ;)
[08:01] <Cruella> i want install it from getthunderbird.com.. but i think the problem is, cause i have a 64bit system and ia32-libs isn't installed ;)
[08:02] <noaXess> hey Cruella: what's your problem?
[08:02] <Cruella> hey Cruella: what's your problem?
[08:02] <noaXess> iconmefisto: was that a bot?
[08:02] <iconmefisto> yeah I think so
[08:03] <noaXess> iconmefisto: wow...
[08:03] <noaXess> iconmefisto: so thunderbird3 works :) just installed ia32-libs
[08:04] <noaXess> iconmefisto: i will also try your solution, download the 64bit from ppa...
[08:04] <noaXess> or add the ppa :)..
[08:04] <iconmefisto> noaXess: do you have thunderbird 2 installed? or using old thunderbird 2 profile with 3?
[08:05] <noaXess> iconmefisto: it's a fresh install.. and tb2 is installed but not configured..
[08:05] <noaXess> the look of tb3 is fancy.. old scool.. how to change that? in tb2 there are some patches that it look's good.. for tb3 also?
[08:08] <iconmefisto> noaXess: maybe try installing it in /opt and the same patches will work with tb3?
[08:09] <iconmefisto> noaXess: or installing from apt with the ppa version might set it all up for you
[08:13] <iconmefisto> noaXess: the thing with the ppa is it will try to update firefox if you have it installed. you could install tb3 then remove the ppa if you don't want the daily updates
[08:13] <noaXess> iconmefisto: yes thats the prob... it will be cool, if there are two ppa's for ff and tb :)
[08:14] <noaXess> and after upgradeing ff to the ppa's version it is called shiretoko or something like this :(
[08:15] <iconmefisto> noaXess: just installed tb3 from ppa and it looks the same to me. it's called "shredder" in titlebar
[08:16] <noaXess> iconmefisto: yes..
[08:16] <noaXess> same as the version from getthunderbird.com?
[08:16] <noaXess> so no changes :(
[08:20] <noaXess> iconmefisto: have a solution to get a cool look for tb3 :) http://mozilla.paenglab.ch/
[08:22] <Burps> Hi : 1st time with *buntu (but not with linux...) : just installed 9.10 : wher is the menu to add users ? I can't find, as found on the web "K menu -> System -> KUser User Manager"
[08:23] <noaXess> Burps: systemsettings / advanced / user management )
[08:24] <Burps> noaXess: thx
[08:24] <noaXess> np
[08:25] <cooper__> hey annybody knows some nice themes or where i can find them?
[08:26] <cooper__> hey annybody knows some nice themes or where i can find them?
[08:28] <tsimpson> cooper__: there are plenty on http://kde-look.org
[08:38] <cooper_> ty tsimpson
[08:49] <Burps> Is there an easy way to setup Karmic so that an user can have ONLY web browsing available ? (just one application), like a kiosk ?
[08:57] <TheAncientGoat> Burps: sure
[09:00] <Burps> TheAncientGoat: thanks ...
[09:01] <TheAncientGoat> Burps: there are just multiple ways of going about doing so
[09:01] <Burps> Anyway, how can I lock the desktop and applications availmable to a specific user ?
[09:01] <Burps> I suppose, but one is enough for me :)
[09:07] <TheAncientGoat> Burps: Well, I know it can be done, I just quickly need to find out the easiest way.. I mean, you could create a guest account that only has access to a group that only has access to the programs that you want the guest to use
[09:07] <TheAncientGoat> but that is a bit work intensive
[09:13] <TheAncientGoat> Burps: Hmm, try this FF addon maybe? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1659
[09:13] <Burps> I think I'll go for edubuntu, seems to be the easiet/fastest (as I don't master *buntu....)
[09:14] <Burps> then probably also use this add-on  :)
[09:15] <TheAncientGoat> Oh, I'm sure there's a masterful way to do what you want elegantly in Kubuntu
[09:15] <TheAncientGoat> I'm just not a master :)
[09:20] <TheAncientGoat> Burps: Seems there was a program that does specifically what you ask, a custom KDE Kiosk tool, but it is no longer maintained
[09:20] <TheAncientGoat> You can still use the functionality if you are willing to edit configs manually
[09:21] <TheAncientGoat> And in the KDE 4.4 release, they will be bringing in KAuth, which would allow you to do something similar. Just not now :)
[10:29] <seicherlbob> Hi there! I have problems with a permanent mounted smb share. The server runs smb 3.0.24 on Debian, the Clients are Kubuntu 9.04 and 9.10. Both use CIFS to mount the same smb-shares permanently using minimal fstab options (credentials, iocharset). On both clients i can not modify existing files. I can create and delete them, but not modify them. even as (local) root i can not modify remote files. modifying them by access via smb:
[10:29] <seicherlbob> // works fine though. The same shares can be used perfectly from any win client
[10:31] <happy> seicherlbob: pastebin your fstab line. Be sure to make user USERNAME and password PASSWORD
[10:31] <happy> then again, don't pastebin, it is just one line :-)
[10:32] <poipoi> någon från sverige?
[10:33] <tsimpson> !se
[10:33] <seicherlbob> happy: this is the last setting i tried: //server/share         /mnt/remote        cifs   credentials=/home/user/.credentials,uid=localuser,gid=localuser,iocharset=iso8859-15,nobrl        0       0
[10:35] <happy> does that work at least (read only)
[10:35] <seicherlbob> happy: i can browse and read, create, delete files. but i can not modify them. (e.g. open, modify and save txt file in nano)
[10:36] <iconmefisto_> my fstab uses smbfs, don't know how much that differs to cifs
[10:36] <happy> even as root you can not modify? pastebin ls -l /mnt/remote/cifs
[10:37] <Captain_Haddock> apt-get update downloads the same packages every time I run it... any idea why this is happening?
[10:37] <seicherlbob> iconmefisto_: smbfs is said to be replaced by cifs. i cannot even use smbfs any longer. dmesg tells me to use cifs.
[10:37] <Captain_Haddock> package lists I should say
[10:37] <seicherlbob> happy: no such file or directory
[10:38] <tsimpson> Captain_Haddock: what do you mean?
[10:38] <happy> seicherlbob: then can you ls -l the directory you mounted it on?
[10:38] <seicherlbob> sure
[10:38] <seicherlbob> ls -l /mnt/remote works
[10:40] <happy> seicherlbob?
[10:40] <seicherlbob> yes?
[10:41] <seicherlbob> happy: as i said: ls -l /mnt/remote works. but there is no file/directory "cifs"
[10:42] <seicherlbob> happy: even as local root i can not modify the files.
[10:42] <happy> seicherlbob: I am sorry if I was not clear. I wanted you to pastebin the output of ls -l [MOUNT POINT]
[10:43] <seicherlbob> happy: what are you looking for?
[10:44] <happy> seicherlbob: permissions
[10:44] <happy> if you can give me a sample of them that would work to. I guess is the permissions are all the same
[10:45] <seicherlbob> an example of a file i just created to check the error:  -rwxr-----  /user: myuser /group: myuser
[10:45] <^myokidzu> hello can you help me configure volume in kde4 please?
[10:45] <happy> seicherlbob: what about files already there?
[10:46] <happy> !ask | ^myokidzu
[10:46] <seicherlbob> happy: a file created from the windows client:  -rwxrw-rw-
[10:46] <happy> user?
[10:47] <seicherlbob> me and me
[10:47] <happy> ok
[10:47] <seicherlbob> as i mounted it with gid and uid...
[10:47] <happy> seicherlbob: I am just checking.
[10:48] <happy> seicherlbob: what is the error when you try to modify a file?
[10:49] <seicherlbob> happy: depends on the program: nano says: "No such file or directory"
[10:50] <seicherlbob> wowowow! ok. # echo "foo" >> file works fine
[10:50] <^myokidzu> happy is this an help channel or not?
[10:50] <happy> ^myokidzu: it is a help channel. why do you think it is not?
[10:51] <seicherlbob> ^myokidzu: i think he wanted you to be more precise
[10:52] <happy> seicherlbob: can you use gedit? vi? anything other then nano.
[10:52] <seicherlbob> ^myokidzu: is it a brand new harddrive? are there existing partitions you want to mount? what filesystem do you want/have to use?
[10:52] <seicherlbob> happy: kate?
[10:52] <happy> yeah
[10:52]  * happy loves kate :-).
[10:53]  * happy has been on #ubuntu too long
[10:53] <happy> seicherlbob: I thought ^myokidzu wanted help with sound volume.
[10:53] <seicherlbob> happy: that could be possible too... i dont know. I thought of data volumes ;) lol
[10:54] <happy> ^myokidzu: if you ask a specific question or state your problem someone might be able to help.
[10:54] <^myokidzu> ok so can you ask my question please?
[10:54] <happy> seicherlbob: does kate modify the file
[10:54] <JediMaster> hey guys, I've been having a whole bunch of headaches with the sound system in kubuntu, it seems to randomly fall back to other sound devices that are less preferred even though there's nothing wrong with the main sound device, and every time I boot, even though kmixer shows the recoding audio channel is mic, it's actually set to line in, so I have to change it every time (yes, I know these are probably 2 very different problems!)
[10:55] <happy> ^myokidzu: how can I ask your question without knowing it?
[10:55] <seicherlbob> happy: the error is in german but basicly it says, that it can not save the document, because it cant write to /path/to/file I shall check write permissions or if the drive is full
[10:55] <seicherlbob> ^myokidzu: what do you want to do? how did you try to do it and what did not work when you tried to do that?
[10:57] <happy> seicherlbob: but modifying works through smb:// in konq so we do not need to check the server. right?
[10:57] <seicherlbob> happy: yes! it works with smb:// and it works on win clients and it works via sshfs
[10:58] <happy> seicherlbob: I doubt it will work... but try adding rw to the fstab line
[10:58] <seicherlbob> ok...
[10:58] <happy> seicherlbob: I am running out of ideas
[11:00] <seicherlbob> happy: nope. wont work
[11:00] <seicherlbob> what drives my nuts i, that using >> to append anything to the file works fine!
[11:01] <happy> seicherlbob: I still can not figure out what is different about modfying a file
[11:01] <seicherlbob> but using ">" to overwrite the file doesn't work.
[11:02] <happy> ah
[11:02] <seicherlbob> happy: i could delete the file manually before saving, that would work then, because i can delete and recreate it. but i can not "overwrite" it
[11:02] <happy> I can see that :-\
[11:03] <seicherlbob> what do you mean by "ah"?
[11:03] <happy> seicherlbob: I found a new word to search on google :-)
[11:03] <happy> that was the ah
[11:03] <seicherlbob> a new word? what word?
[11:05] <happy> seicherlbob: overwrite. I found a thread about the problem. I am reading it now
[11:06] <seicherlbob> happy: yeah. me too. bugs.debian.org
[11:07] <happy> seicherlbob: what is the server os/smb version
[11:09] <seicherlbob> happy: smb version: 3.0.24, OS: debian etch
[11:10] <happy> Maybe it is a problem with the server. Is it up to date? I am grasping at straws now :-\
[11:11] <^myokidzu> lol sorry I mean how configure "sound" not volume ;-)
[11:12] <seicherlbob> happy: i just read that there are known problems with etch servers and newer clients... i will go on reading about that bug. thank you very much for now!
[11:12] <happy> np, I don't think I helped though ;-)
[11:17] <seicherlbob> happy: you listened and held my hand for a while ;)
[11:18] <happy> lol
[11:18] <happy> in other words... failed :-P
[11:19] <happy> seicherlbob: I hope you solve the problem. It sounds like you need to install a newer version of samba
[11:20] <zagrot> is iconmefisto around?
[11:21] <seicherlbob> WOOHOOOO!!!!
[11:21] <seicherlbob> happy: setting msdfs=no in smb.conf worked for me!
[11:22] <happy> :-)
[11:22] <happy> seicherlbob: where did you find the answer?
[11:22] <seicherlbob> happy: thank you! If you didnt mention the new word for google, i would not have found this bug report!
[11:22] <seicherlbob> happy: im the bug report for debian.
[11:22] <happy> seicherlbob: lol. half the better is finding the right google search
[11:23] <happy> oops
[11:23] <happy> battle*
[11:23] <seicherlbob> yep
[11:23] <seicherlbob> oh man. that's great!
[11:23] <happy> glad I could help
[11:23] <zagrot> anyway, i just wanted to say thanks, and that i managed to not destroy my new instalation while tinkering with it.
[11:24] <seicherlbob> This is the first machine in run mainly kubuntu on, i only have MS for gaming left somewhere. And it was driving me crazy, because i need linux for work, but i couldnt use it well! Now I can! Thank god, i'm rid of this bug!
[11:25] <happy> zagrot: although it is normally frowned upon to private message someone without there permission. I think it is ok to pm him and tell him that :-).
[11:25] <happy> seicherlbob: good to hear :-)
[11:26] <happy> seicherlbob: I only use kubuntu now (for desktop and laptop)
[11:27] <zagrot> i thought that was public
[11:27] <happy> zagrot: what you just said was public
[11:28] <zagrot> hello?
[11:29] <happy> zagrot: hello
[11:29] <zagrot> what was that about pm earlier?
[11:30] <seicherlbob> happy: CU and have a nice day!
[11:30] <happy> zagrot: if the person you want to thank is not here. I would pm him. He is more likely to get the message
[11:31] <happy> seicherlbob: bye
[11:31] <zagrot> how would i pm someone?  i'm a little bit new to irc.
[11:32] <happy> zagrot: are you registered?
[11:32] <zagrot> don't think so, i got an error message when checking my nick, but was allowed to logon anyway
[11:33] <zagrot> but i was not payng full attention to the error
[11:43] <kavurt> after today's updates, my default fonts have changed. in firefox, in quassel, on desktop, everywhere. does anybody know anything about it.
[11:55] <alvin> Any workaround for bug 34165? My NFS mounts are not mounting at boot anymore and there are no errors that halt the boot process.
[11:56] <alvin> On other machines (ubuntu servers, not kubuntu), NFS mounts crash the boot process, but on this particular machine, it just boots.
[11:56] <alvin> Ah, my /home isn't an NFS mount. That will be the difference. Never mind the last remark. So, anyone knows how to see a real useable boot log?
[12:23] <zagrot> later all.
[12:54] <Oxomoron> ein freundliches hallo in die runde
[12:54] <Pici> !de
[12:54] <Tm_T> !de | Oxomoron
[13:41] <raffaele_> salve
[13:41] <raffaele_> !list
[13:50] <linux> jjjo
[13:50] <coreyB> exscuse me?
[14:08] <trakinas> hello all! Im having troubles to connect to my wireless route. It was working yesterday.... now, all that I get is "preparing to connect" and it prompting the PSK window all the time. Im not making any typo with the password.
[14:09] <coreyB> has someone 'accident'ly changed the password?
[14:16] <trakinas> coreyB: no
[14:17] <trakinas> coreyB: I even restarted the AP, but not the modem/router. did not work.
[14:18] <trakinas> my card is this one: RTL-8185
[14:18] <trakinas> it worked out of the box. worked great until yesterday.
[14:19] <trakinas> (Im on the same modem/router, but with wired network)
[14:25] <coreyB> no idea mate
[14:26] <trakinas> coreyB: thanks! I think it maybe has something to do with Xen...
[14:27] <trakinas> I tired using it a month ago or so. Ended up installing debian on dual boot with kubuntu.
[14:29] <coreyB> trakinas,  and you have checked for updates right?
[14:29] <trakinas> coreyB: to the whole system? I updated the kernel
[14:31] <coreyB> i'd say try and find your wireless card with 'lspci' and do a google search and add kubuntu at the end
[14:31] <trakinas> what is the equivalent of ifconfig eth0 up?
[14:32] <coreyB> not sure
[14:33] <trakinas> thanks!
[14:33] <trakinas> I will try to find smth else on google. I have to go now.
[14:33] <trakinas> cheers!
[14:36] <raffaele> salve
[14:36] <raffaele> !list
[14:40] <jonathan__> hello! Since I upgraded my kernel from 2.6.31-16 to 2.6.31-17, some strange things happen. First, I can't boot the new kernel; it stops in normal boot with "Starting up..." and in recovery mode after telling me that my internal hard disk is checked and ok and will be next checked in "x" times. When trying to boot from 2.6.31-16 (the old kernel), I get the x server running, but all ttys are completly empty, except tty1. There stands "
[14:40] <jonathan__> Starting up...", I can't logg in via the tty, only on tty7 (XServer). Any Ideas what went wrong during the upgrade?
[14:51] <Dekans> do you know if I can use upstart syntax in /etc/rc.local ?
[14:52] <noaXess> is it possible to connect a bluethoot mobile headset with kubuntu, so i can use it ef. in skype
[14:52] <noaXess> gr.. bluetooth ^
[14:53] <inclement> I am using emacs in kubuntu karmic. When I click 'maximise', the window flickers to fill the screen but then gets smaller again and isn't maximised. The window size also changes as I work on a document (I think as I do stuff in the minibuffer), which is very very annoying. How can I fix this?
[15:19] <DJTachyon> just installed Kubuntu 9.10 in VirtualBox, how can I get gparted installed?
[15:19] <DJTachyon> tried a sudo apt-get install gparted and says it can't be found, yet apt-cache search gparted finds it
[15:21] <coreyB>  hmm DJTachyon
[15:21] <coreyB> funny thing is, that its in the repos, did you type 'sudo apt-get install gparted' ?
[15:21] <noaXess> i can't pair my bluethoot headset with karmic, i get: sorry, sour bluethoot device does not support input  service..
[15:25] <genii> might want to sudo apt-get update   before doing sudo apt-get install <something>  . Could be your sources.list only has the CD as a source, or your virtualised eth0 isn't working, etc
[15:27] <noaXess> i foung this about bluetooth headset https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothHeadset and there are links to PulseAudio https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PulseAudio but the content of PulseAudio is empty ;(
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:39] <DJTachyon> coreyB: I must not have had the correct repos in the KpackageKit ...
[15:39] <DJTachyon> coreyB: I installed Adept and it found everything no problem
[15:40] <coreyB> ah okie dokie :)
[15:41] <martijn> Hi, why there is no kpackagekit in the repository?
[15:41] <martijn> oops, wrong channel, hehe
[15:49] <BluesKaj> martijn, kpackagekit connects to your repositories
[15:50] <martijn> yeah i know, it is an advanced pacakge manager
[15:58] <BluesKaj> martijn, well, advanced is a bit generous , but if it works for you then it's good
[16:02] <martijn> yeah, i liked the interface before \o/
[16:08] <Nete> Hello, After opening the KDE start menu and clicking on applications > sub-category how to I go back to a different sub-category?
[16:10] <wftl> Running KDE 4.4 beta packages and Kontact at al fails to start every time  because of Akonadi errors.
[16:10] <wftl> Has anyone in the Kubuntu/KDE community ever successfully run Akonadi? Would you like to share how it was done.
[16:10] <wftl> Incidentally, I created a new user, clean configuration, no stuff to migrate and Akonadi still won't start.
[16:11] <wftl> dbus errors - apparently neither akonadi nor nepomuk are registered at dbus.
[16:11] <davide_> ciao
[16:15]  * Nete gimp starts faster in kubuntu than Vista
[16:31] <Nete> Where are fonts located?
[16:31] <Pici> !fonts
[16:31] <Nete> ubottu: Thnx
[16:32] <wftl> !akonadi
[16:32] <Nete> I don't have the synaptic package manager, but I'll try using Adept
[16:34] <hhlp> !mplayer | hhlp
[16:43] <hasan> how to delete a hidden directory by command line ?
[16:45] <noaXess> does anybody knows a tool to create network shemas, a network structur?.. like in M$ visio?
[16:46] <BluesKaj> Guest81188, find the hidden file name in dolphin or konqueror , then in the terminal sudo rm -rf name of file ..but be careful hidden files are usually essential for the proper performance of your OS
[16:47] <fire`lala> noaXess: perhaps dia will suit your needs?
[16:47] <noaXess> fire`lala: ok.. your username.. hm.. not easy for autocomplete :)
[16:50] <firelala> noaXess: :-)
[16:52] <noaXess> firelala: dia is gnome app.. is ther no kde app?
[16:52] <noaXess> i know, i can install dia.. but if there is a kde app :)
[16:53] <firelala> noaXess: sorry, I don't know
[16:53] <noaXess> found also this: http://www.graphviz.org/
[16:53] <ubuntu_> WIll KDE4 Konversation be back in the next version as the default IRC client?
[16:54] <wftl> Let me ask a different question: is there a way to NOT use akonadi with Kontact?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_, just install konversation, and the next upgrade it will update/upgrade too ...seems quassel is the fav right now ,some devs have been lobbying for it as the deafult and have won this round .
[16:57] <BluesKaj> quassel is ok ,but it's not kind to my eyes :)
[16:57] <ubuntu_> I know I can install it, I was just wondering if it would be back. I was wondering if the only reason its not here is because it wasn't ready, or if Quassel was the more popular
[16:57] <ubuntu_> I agree with you there
[16:58] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_, sudo aptitude install konversation
[16:58] <ubuntu_> I recognise your name Blues, You used to be here alot when I used to run linux :[
[16:58] <ubuntu_> First time i've run it in a while
[16:58] <BluesKaj> right ...what was your nick back then ?
[16:58] <TimS> This
[16:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:00] <BluesKaj> quassel works ok...I had some kde probs a few weeks ago , so konvi was acting up , but I still prefer it
[17:00] <TimS> Hmm
[17:00] <TimS> I haven't tried the KDE4 version of Konvi out yet
[17:00] <BluesKaj> but I'm on lucid so ......
[17:00] <BluesKaj> kde4 version is fine now
[17:00] <TimS> Haha, sounds like you are on drugs.
[17:00] <TimS> But yes
[17:01] <TimS> Okay, I shall install that in a sec
[17:02] <TimS> I like how you can install packages on a live system :]
[17:03] <nerdy_kid> is it a good idea to upgrade to QT 4.6 on KDE 4.3?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> nerdy_kid, it's the default with kde 4.4 afaik , dunno about kde4.3 tho
[17:08] <nerdy_kid> BluesKaj yeah, i just got over downgrading from 4.4, and dont want to repeat the experence :S  QT 4.6 has some improvments that i want though....
[17:10] <BluesKaj> nerdy_kid, what prompted you to downgrade to kde4.3 ?
[17:11] <nerdy_kid> BluesKaj 4.4 was a little too buggy still for me, and my old KDE config wouldn't work with 4.4; got several plasma crashes, and everything was slow.  Ill wait till FEB then grab it..
[17:13] <BluesKaj> I'm actually on Liucid and there are a few kde permission probs with calling up ordinary text and conf files , so i have to use gksudo instead of kdesudo in the run command
[17:13] <BluesKaj> err Lucid
[17:17] <desiree_> HEP ME PLEASE!!!! I accidentally got rid of the icon showing my network connections and my audio controls... how do I get them abck. I cannto find it in Widgets!!
[17:17] <nerdy_kid> desiree_not using GNOME but would that be your system tray?
[17:18] <Zorael> desiree_: They aren
[17:18] <Zorael> *cough*
[17:18] <Zorael> desiree_: They aren't widgets, but rather running programs. Pop up a run box with alt+f2 and enter 'kmix' for the volume control app, and 'knetworkmanager' for the networking manager
[17:18] <desiree_> uhm.... im new so.... not sure what you mean. my other os is xfce.. and it has it
[17:19] <desiree_>  this one doesnt. im actually surprised the thing conected to the net
[17:19] <desiree_>  Ok.. two options came up.
[17:19] <desiree_>  ok i clicked knetworkmanager and nothng happened
[17:19] <desiree_>  i see no changes
[17:19] <desiree_>  same iwth kmix
[17:20] <desiree_> zorael it didnt work....
[17:20] <Zorael> desiree_: Perhaps they're there but they're not showing for some reason.
[17:21] <desiree_> Ok.. ive restarteed
[17:21] <genii> desiree_:  The widget is called "System Tray"
[17:21] <desiree_>  ok
[17:21] <desiree_>  holy crap you did it
[17:21] <desiree_>  thanks genii!!!
[17:22] <desiree_>  thanks zorael..
[17:22] <genii> desiree_: np
[17:22] <desiree_> Ok. mental note made... don't muck with linux.
[17:22] <desiree_> btw how do I get the other 6 options on the boot screen to go away
[17:22] <desiree_>  i just want to choose between Xubuntu and Kubuntu.
[17:23] <desiree_>  ive got like 4 versions of each
[17:23] <Bonst4r> delete the old kernels?
[17:23] <genii> desiree_: Those are due to kernel upgrades, it leaves the old kernel grub entries.
[17:23] <desiree_> two 16 bits, two 14 bits, some in recovery mode.
[17:23] <desiree_>  ok how do I delete them?
[17:24] <desiree_>  without jacking my computer up
[17:24] <Bonst4r> package manager
[17:24] <Bonst4r> linux-image-2
[17:24] <genii> desiree_: sudo apt-get autoremove     will get the old ones out but not from grub menu. for thet, sudo grub-update     (or update-grub)
[17:24] <desiree_> uhm.... wow ... english, genii?
[17:24] <desiree_> i do that in the terminal?
[17:24] <genii> desiree_: In konsole, yes
[17:25] <desiree_> konsole... ok hangon
[17:25] <Pat_Benson> do 'update-grub' remove old entries? Dont you have to config the grub.conf for it?
[17:25] <desiree_> Ok i got this one...E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:25] <desiree_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[17:26] <coreyB> sudo
[17:26] <Pat_Benson> you probobly still got kpackagekit running
[17:26] <desiree_> ok... totally lost...
[17:26] <Bonst4r> When you run update-grub it only updates the mbr, you usually run update-grub after modifying menu.lst
[17:27] <desiree_>  how can I cloase that.
[17:27] <desiree_>  i typed in sudo update-grub
[17:27] <desiree_>  its doing something now...
[17:27] <desiree_>  not sure what
[17:27] <FloodBotK1> desiree_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:27] <desiree_> oops. sorry about flooding guys.. Ok the update is done.
[17:28] <genii> Pat_Benson: When you use package manager to remove old kernels it's supposed to cleanup the grub entries
[17:29] <desiree_> ok how do I close kpackagekit?
[17:29] <Bonst4r> x button?
[17:30] <desiree_> huh? well I would click it if I knew what it was...
[17:31] <Bonst4r> same on all windows
[17:31] <desiree_> aaaaaaaaaaaaah so lost.
[17:31] <genii> Could be automatic updates or some other minimised app is using apt backend
[17:34] <Daughain> Morning, all.
[17:34] <matty3269> Hey
[17:53] <Himmler> ola, can you tell me how to upgrade to kde 4.3.4, i read from http://www.kubuntu.org/node/126 but i don't understand.
[18:03] <Bonster> upgrade to 4.4?
[18:03] <Himmler> no. kde 4.3.4
[18:04] <Bonster> wat u on now? 4.2?
[18:04] <Himmler> 4.3.2 karmic
[18:05] <Bonster> enable backports
[18:05] <Himmler> it's no longer in the ppa but in the backports and i don't know how to enable backports
[18:05] <Daughain> 4.4 isnt out yet, is it?
[18:05] <Bonster> open kpackagekit
[18:05] <Himmler> ok then?
[18:05] <Bonster> settings
[18:05] <Bonster> edit software sources
[18:06] <Himmler> next
[18:06] <Bonster> update tab
[18:07] <Bonster> check up unsupportd
[18:07] <Bonster> updates
[18:07] <Bonster> thats the backports
[18:07] <Himmler> that's all?
[18:07] <Bonster> yea
[18:07] <Bonster> and reload
[18:07] <Bonster> and update
[18:08] <Himmler> ok. upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[18:08] <Bonster> might be just update
[18:08] <Bonster> forgot
[18:08] <Bonster> try both
[18:09] <Himmler> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade or without dist- ?
[18:09] <jimmy51_> after a reboot, my wife's PC (kubuntu 9.10 on atom 330 + intel gma950) suddenly became unusably choppy
[18:09] <BluesKaj> Himmler, dist-upgrade is depracated afaik , it might not work
[18:09] <jimmy51_> what should i check first?
[18:10] <jimmy51_> glxinfo?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> Himmler,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:10] <Himmler> okay
[18:11] <BluesKaj> Himmler, are you upgrading the kubuntu version or or just your existing one
[18:12] <Himmler> BluesKaj: i try to upgrade kubuntu karmic from kde 4.3.2 to 4.3.4
[18:20] <Daughain> Is there a ram cache or buffer in ubuntu, and how do I clear it out...??=)
[18:50] <coles> is there a PPA with libpulse >= 0.9.21 for karmic?
[18:58] <coles> it's fine, I found one - ubuntu-audio-dev
[18:58] <kamola2> i installed kubuntu yesterday
[18:58] <kamola2> but i don't know any pass or nick
[18:59] <kamola2> i'm pretty sure that i didn't give it to anyone
[18:59] <kamola2> um...?
[18:59] <kamola2> i'Äm so sorry but i really need help with that  :(
[19:01] <kamola2> it asks for a nick and a pass when i try to get into kubuntu
[19:02] <rork> kamola2: it should've asked to specify a nick and pass during install
[19:03] <BluesKaj> kamola2, when you installed kubuntu , did you enter a username and password when prompted , if you did then use them
[19:04] <BluesKaj> I can't understand why kubuntu can install without a username and pw from the get go
[19:06] <kamola2> i was in sad psychological mood yesterday when i installed it
[19:06] <kamola2> so
[19:06] <kamola2> the chance is now to uninstall the kubuntu
[19:06] <kamola2> and reinstall it
[19:06] <kamola2> that's my only choice i think?!
[19:06] <kamola2> or is there a prog who could read it out?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> kamola2, hang on ..lemme check domething
[19:09] <Pat_Benson> I think you can rename/change password and user with a liveCD
[19:09] <kamola2> thank u BluesKaj
[19:10] <kamola2> Pat_Benson: hm, maybe
[19:19] <BluesKaj> kamola2, Pat_Benson is correct , then all you do is reinstall, make sure you give a username and password when the install peompts you Then just use the manual partitioning , so the install will go faster becuase it will use the existing one but it will just change all the permissions to your new user and pw.
[19:20] <BluesKaj> peompts=prompts ,
[19:20] <Freddy2> hi
[19:21] <BluesKaj> !hi | Freddy2
[19:25] <ilter_> Hello. I'd like to ask a question to put DNS address on KDE. I put openDNS address on system_settings->network settings->Wireless then edit my wireless conn. and from IP Address tab i choose "Automatic (DHCP) address only". Last i put DNS address to DNS servers section.
[19:26] <Freddy2> :)
[19:27] <ilter_> But my conn. stills doesn't use openDNS. And also when i checked from terminal by "more /etc.resolv.conf" it doesn't show openDNS ip addresses.
[19:28] <ilter_> Could someone explain what is my fault?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> ilter_, in the terminal try this wlan0=dhcp ..normally dns settings go in the router/modem setup
[19:40] <kamola2> thx BluesKaj&Pat_Benson.. i think i'll get it to work somehow then
[19:40] <Torch> kamola2: you can simply boot the live cd, mount your root partition, find the username and reset the password
[19:40] <kamola2> thx for your affort
[19:40] <Torch> kamola2: no need to re-install if your problem is really only a lost user/pwd combo
[19:40] <da> which is better Kubuntu or ubuntu?
[19:41] <kamola2> so ok
[19:41] <kamola2> what do i have to do now exactly?
[19:41] <kamola2> i'll c thx
[19:43] <BluesKaj> Torch, he didn't enter a user or pw during the install
[19:43] <Torch> BluesKaj: well, boot the live cd and create a user
[19:44] <Torch> BluesKaj: still no need to re-install
[19:44] <BluesKaj> Torch,  hope it works , I haven't encountered that prob
[19:45] <Daughain> What is npviewer.bin?
[19:46] <Torch> Daughain: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=npviewer.bin ;-)
[19:46] <BluesKaj> ilter_, enter the the opendns addresses in you router , make sure it's not using auto dns
[19:46] <Daughain> Torch:  Thanks
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ilter_, Primary Domain Name Server: 208.67.222.222 , Secondary Domain Name Server:208.67.220.220
[19:50] <memenode> is RC coming today?
[19:51] <ernstp>  I've tried 2 kubuntu daily livecds this week but it fails to start KDM, do they work for anyone else?
[19:51] <Freddy2> 10.04 should include kde 4.4 but iirc it has been delayed a pair of weeks in order to have more testing over qt 4.6.1, instead of using 4.6.0
[19:52] <Freddy2> so.. 10.04 release date is still the same as ubuntu? could it be also delayed because of kde?
[19:52] <genii> ernstp: It's a known problem involving HAL . Login console and: sudo start kdm              for time being til it gets fixed
[19:52] <genii> Also #ubuntu+1   is the channel for Lucid discussions :)
[19:52] <memenode> eh "10.04" reminds me of OS X
[19:53] <memenode> Ubuntu X :D
[19:53] <BluesKaj> Freddy2, I'll answer you in #ubuntu+1
[19:53]  * genii ponders 2010.April
[19:53] <Freddy2> ok
[20:05] <ilter_> BluesKaj: thank you for your concern. Dns is inactive on my dsl home router. On my windows pc i can set openDNS for DNS servers.. So i do it from my pc without home router DNS facility. Do you suggest anything for it?
[20:10] <happy> ilter_: you can also use google dns. The only reason they are better is they do not redirect you to advertisments when you spell a sight wrong.
[20:11] <ilter_> happy: thank you i'll try it. But unfortunately i couldn't set DNS address on my wlan0 conn. Could you explain how i can set DNS address on my wlan0 conn.?
[20:12] <BluesKaj> ilter_, try this ,http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/224937-opendns-debian.html
[20:12] <BluesKaj> happy, google dns is still a bit slow
[20:12] <The_Akki> hallo leute
[20:13] <The_Akki> ich habe bei meinen kubuntu das problem, dass das CDRom Laufwerk meines Laptops nicht erkannt wird, wenn beim Start KEINE CD drin liegt
[20:13] <The_Akki> weiß da jemand weiter?
[20:14] <ikonia> !de | The_Akki
[20:16] <ilter_> BluesKaj: Thank you. I put DNS addresses on resolv.conf then do i need to reboot my wlan0 conn? if yes how i can it from terminal?
[20:17] <Freddy2> i think resolv.conf should be rewritten on startup, so you should lose those changes if you keep it user-writable (you know, the tricky way xD)
[20:18] <BluesKaj> ilter_,  did you modify /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf  ?
[20:18] <Daughain> How do I mount an unformatted external hd?
[20:19] <delight> Daughain: you need to format before mouning
[20:19] <BluesKaj> ilter_, add this line to, /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf,  'prepend domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222,208.67.220.220;'   without the quotes
[20:19] <Daughain> delight; I need to mount it somewhere to something to format it.
[20:19] <happy> Daughain: gpartred os a good program for formating
[20:20] <happy> Daughain: that is wrong. Mounting is when the OS reads the file system
[20:20] <Daughain> happy:  I know, I just havet found where kde puts it. =(
[20:20] <delight> well yes gparted but partitionmanager is more kde ;)
[20:20] <happy> delight: always wondered if there was a kde one XD
[20:20] <delight> anyways ... you can also format on commandline + you need to a fs before you mount ... so you need to format
[20:21] <happy> Daughain: type alt+f2
[20:21] <Daughain> Well, Kdisk shows it is there, but I need to figure out how to access it.
[20:21] <happy> Daughain: then type the command gparted
[20:21] <delight> Daughain: what does "sudo fdisk -l" says
[20:21] <delight> the /dev/sdb1 line should be enough
[20:21] <delight> pretty much
[20:21] <BluesKaj> delight, it doesn't matter if it's not kde , it still works , gparted is the best partitoner to use , don't ger blinded by unecessary details
[20:21] <ilter_> BluesKaj: Now i put this statement to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf then it works! Thank you so much for your and other friends' concern.
[20:21] <delight> BluesKaj: true ;)
[20:22] <BluesKaj> ilter_, glad to help :)
[20:22] <delight> i got both installed anyways ... the only thing you need to avoid of gnome is pulseaudio ... it really damages the kde experience
[20:22] <Daughain> delight: It just shows the internal drive.
[20:22] <delight> Daughain: sudo lsusb
[20:22] <Freddy2> hmm gparted doesn't have raid support?
[20:22] <Daughain> happy: It does nothing when I hit enter.??
[20:23] <happy> Daughain: open  a konsole and type gparted
[20:23] <delight> Daughain: you need to install gparted ... aptitude install gparted << before you can use it
[20:24] <Daughain> gpart is part of the 9.10 install. I started with Ubuntu karmic then added kde, I didnt install with kubuntu.
[20:25] <Daughain> Hmmm.....Its part of the 9.04 install......
[20:25] <happy> Daughain: open a konsole and type kdesu gparted
[20:25] <happy> ...
[20:25] <Daughain> gaprt is installing.......
[20:26] <Daughain> And I been in term for a while now. =)
[20:26] <happy> Daughain: then run kdesu gparted
[20:26] <happy> in term?
[20:26] <delight> or simply sudo gparted <<< does the same thing
[20:26] <Daughain> konsole, terminal, either way.
[20:26] <BluesKaj> using gparted as a live cd is the best method to do your partioning
[20:27] <Daughain> kdesu command did nothing.
[20:27] <happy> Daughain: it is an external drive, you do not need to listen to BlueKaj in this case.
[20:27] <Daughain> gparted doesnt recognize the drive.
[20:28] <delight> Daughain: does lsusb show your external drive ?
[20:28] <delight> your external-device ;)
[20:28] <Daughain> delight:  I'm not sure.....
[20:29] <Daughain> It shows a mass storage device....
[20:29] <delight> Daughain: thats an indicator
[20:29] <delight> Daughain: also fdisk -l should show you the drive <<< with root of course ... sudo fdisk -l
[20:30] <delight> ^^^ubuntu way
[20:30] <Daughain> delight:   This is the line;  Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Stroage Device
[20:30] <Daughain> fdisk only shows the internal drive.
[20:31] <delight> Daughain: thats not good ... i know the question might be stupid but ... you know that there is a drop-down-selector for the drives in gparted on the upper-right corner indicating the selected drive
[20:32] <delight> Daughain: sometimes its not viewable when the window is to small
[20:32] <Daughain> delight:   Yup......Nothing showed when I tried it.
[20:32] <delight> Daughain: some ppl easily overlook that thing
[20:32] <Daughain> delight:  I'ma newb, I dont get upset by questions like that. =)
[20:32] <sfears> entering mid stream.. if your usb drive is not showing up in fdisk perhaps it's not mounted?
[20:32] <delight> Daughain: ok ... just wanted to make sure ... but that fits to fdisk -l only showing the internal drive
[20:32] <Daughain> KwikDisk shows it as mounted...???
[20:33] <sfears> but fdisk doesn't
[20:33] <Daughain> KdishFree shows it at /dev
[20:33] <sfears> dmesg | tail ... figure out what /dev it's assigned to.. and mount it manually.. then fdisk & see if it shows
[20:34] <Daughain> not sure what tmpfs means,though.
[20:34] <sfears> temporary file system
[20:34] <sfears> ??
[20:34] <Daughain> Thats my guess??
[20:35] <Daughain> sfears:  usb 5, I think.
[20:36] <sfears> usb 5 isn't a real /dev
[20:36] <Daughain> Mebbe.../dev/sdc
[20:36] <Daughain> ??
[20:36] <sfears> could be
[20:36] <sfears> usually a number with it.. but maybe
[20:37] <sfears> maybe /dev/sdc0
[20:37] <sfears> try "sudo mount /dev/sdc /home/Desktop/mnt
[20:37] <sfears> see if it mounts
[20:37] <Daughain> sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc]
[20:37] <genii> No
[20:37] <Daughain> genii:  No what?
[20:38] <genii> partitions are like sdc1 sdc2    etc. Entire disk device is sdc
[20:38] <genii> Daughain: Don't mount entire disk device like sdc. Use the partition designation like sdc1 sdc2
[20:38] <Daughain> OK.....NUmerics designate partition spaces. =) Cool.
[20:38] <Daughain> So, /dev/sdc1?
[20:39] <sfears> try that
[20:40] <Daughain> /home/desktop/mnt; no mount point.
[20:40] <genii> Daughain: To find out what partitions a disk contains, and roughtly their filetype,: sudo fdisk -l
[20:40] <Daughain> Well,mount point does not exist.
[20:40] <sfears> Daughain: you need to make sure the folder your mounting to exists
[20:40] <Daughain> fdisk does not recognize the device
[20:41] <genii> Daughain: Yes, the "/mnt" in "/home/username/mnt" idea wasn't created yet when you tried to mount the dev there
[20:41] <Daughain> genii:   I teied fdisk about three times.
[20:41] <sfears> create the folder on your desktop first.. or in your /mnt folder or wherever.. mounting to your desktop makes read/write access easier sometimes
[20:41] <Daughain> so, I should be able to try /home/Desktop as a mount point, right?
[20:41] <Peace-> hi guys :)
[20:41] <Daughain> Morning, Peace
[20:42] <sfears> i'd make a folder Daughain... other wise it could mount many files to your desktop cuasing clutter
[20:42] <Daughain> special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist.
[20:42] <BluesKaj> isn't /home/username the best way
[20:43] <sfears> who are you talking to BluesKaj
[20:43] <BluesKaj> to all in general
[20:43] <sfears> Daughain: /dev/sdc1 was the output from dmesg | tail
[20:44] <Daughain> /dev/sdc was the output, sfears
[20:45] <sfears> Daughain: pastebin the output of dmesg | tail
[20:45] <Daughain> sfears:   Actualy, /dev/sdc is my guess.......
[20:45] <Daughain> OK.
[20:45] <genii> Daughain: the : sudo fdisk -l                   just shows a list of the disks, and each of their partitions, with a short description of what kind of partitions they are. So if it said:/dev/sda2   *           1       10321    82903401    7  HPFS/NTFS     then you know it's NTFS and mount line would be like: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt        (or other mountpoint)
[20:46] <sfears> genii: the partition he wasn't isn't listed in fdisk.. we need to get it mounted first
[20:46] <sfears> genii: the partition he wants* isn't listed in fdisk.. we need to get it mounted first
[20:48] <Daughain> http://pastebin.ca/1741835
[20:48] <sfears> hold...
[20:49] <Daughain> genii:   It never gave a /dev/sd* out put of any kind.
[20:50] <Daughain> genii:  /sdc : /sdc1 is the closest out put to a mount point.
[20:50] <sfears> i would say it should be /dev/sdc1
[20:51] <BluesKaj> usually it would be /dev/sda1 if there are no other partitions
[20:51] <genii> sfears: All disks that are in hardware, whether mounted or not, appear in that command
[20:51] <sfears> ok
[20:51] <Daughain> Then, it may only be showing the internal.
[20:52] <genii> If fdisk output doesn't show any /dev/sdc    then it doesn't know about any third disk-type device on the system, whether mounted or not
[20:52] <BluesKaj> Daughain, your cdrom would look like /dev/sr0 for example
[20:52] <sfears> perhaps the usb drive is not formated yet?
[20:53] <Daughain> sda1 is the internal.
[20:53] <Daughain> well.../dev/sda1  and partitions.
[20:53] <Daughain> sda2 for extended and sda5 for swap.
[20:55] <genii> BluesKaj: cd would be likely /dev/scd0
[20:58] <sfears> Daughain: you said /dev/sdc1 was an unknown device?
[21:01] <jcook_> anyone here good with php? I have dbase that stores the log files from dansguardian. so what I am trying to do is create summary report for the boss man. that will show the ip and the site they went to. Like 10.2.3.6 went to facebook.com msn.com. The problem I am having is with any filter sofeware is there in like 20 facebook.com address. I just want to show one. I have try array_unique but it not working.
[21:02] <jaffar22> hi
[21:02] <BluesKaj> jcook_, tiny url ?
[21:04] <Daughain> sfears: Yes, Ive treied mouting sdc, sdc0, and sdc1, all listed as'does not exist'.
[21:05] <jcook_> Blueskaj I need to find some way of taken array and remove dupes
[21:07] <fungos> hi
[21:08] <sfears> Daughain: if you unplug the usb cable does dmesg | tail then show that it was disconnected
[21:08] <fungos> I'm trying to instal kubuntu 9.10 x86 in a old machine (athlon with vga onboard sis) .. but at the installer I only get a blackscreen .. X is trying to use a invalid video mode or anything else, I also tried to pass the parameter nomodeset to kernel.. but not effect. Anyone?
[21:08] <Daughain> sfears:   Lemme check. =)
[21:10] <Peace-> fungos: try to install with altenate iso
[21:10] <BluesKaj> sorry jcook_ beyond my scope ...maybe someone else can help ?
[21:10] <Daughain> sfears:   Hmmmm.....Both dmesg | tail and kdisk show it as still there.
[21:10] <Peace-> fungos: there are desktop server and altenate edition , altenate it's for old pc
[21:10] <sfears> do you have a separate usb cable? perhaps your cable is bad?
[21:10] <fungos> hm ok :)
[21:10] <jcook_> Np thanks
[21:10] <Daughain> sfears:   Lemme get another one.
[21:10] <sfears> or kdisk has control and won't give up
[21:10] <fungos> Peace-: I will try it, thanks
[21:11] <Peace-> np
[21:11] <sfears> try unmounting and quiting kdisk
[21:11] <Daughain> Unmounting what?
[21:12] <fungos> Peace-: can you give me what is the basic diference between desktop and alternate? X version?
[21:12] <sfears> didn't you say you mounted via kdisk? try to unmount whatever you mounted with kdisk and then make sure kdisk is quit
[21:12] <Daughain> sfears:   No, I said disk shows it as mounted.
[21:13] <Peace-> fungos: altenate is studied for old pc , with few resources .... so it doesn't load every heavy stuff , and slow , just because it loads from cd
[21:13] <sfears> fungos: alternate is text based and i've had better success with compete installs via alternate.. beware of installation via alternate with wifi, it's hard to turn on the wifi without the gui sometimes
[21:13] <Daughain> sfears:   Device not found.  Hmm....Lemme reboot quick.
[21:14] <sfears> cool
[21:14] <Peace-> fungos: and as said it's text based but it's quite simple
[21:14] <fungos> Peace- and sfears: but it will make sure X to work? until 8.10 I always installed the desktop version and never had any problems
[21:15] <BluesKaj> Daughain, pastebin the output from : sudo blkid
[21:15] <Peace-> fungos: mmm that souund strange...
[21:15] <Peace-> sounds
[21:15] <Peace-> fungos: ram?
[21:15] <Peace-> fungos: video card?
[21:15] <Peace-> ah sis
[21:16] <Peace-> ok i have read now
[21:16] <fungos> :P
[21:16] <Peace-> sis xD silly
[21:16] <fungos> yeah, onboard SiS .. X problem :)
[21:16] <fungos> I know :S
[21:16] <Peace-> yeah man that is the problem
[21:17] <sfears> fungos: won't make sure of anything
[21:17] <sfears> also.. maybe use the safe graphics mode install fungos
[21:17] <fungos> sfears: tried too, no success..
[21:17] <sfears> safe graphics mode install if your having problems with x
[21:18] <sfears> what's going wrong fungos?
[21:18] <fungos> sfears: still black screen
[21:18] <sfears> using compiz?
[21:18] <Peace-> no wait wait
[21:18] <Peace-> fungos: you have installed and then you get a black screen?
[21:18] <fungos> sfears: If I try CTRL+ALT+'+' and CTRL+ALT+'-' I can see it trying to swtich resolution/freq but none works
[21:19] <fungos> Peace-: no, the installer can't start
[21:19] <Peace-> fungos: ok ok go to download altenate iso
[21:19] <sfears> i have some problems switching back and forth from terminal to gui.. i get a black screen with only a mouse cursor.. it's a problem with compiz.. if i kwin --replace it fixes
[21:19] <fungos> sfears: no compiz, this is to start the X for the installer/livecd
[21:19] <sfears> corrupt live cd?
[21:19] <sfears> check md5 sum
[21:20] <sfears> dirty laser.. that's kicked my ass for weeks before
[21:20] <fungos> sfears: no, livecd good.. the problem is vga only.. tryied in another pc
[21:20] <Peace-> sfears: that it why i use usb live :D
[21:20] <sfears> agreed.. usb live
[21:20] <fungos> Peace-: I will try alternate, maybe after install I can reconfigure xorg.conf by hand and or find some sis modules working. :S
[21:21] <sfears> fungos.. edit xorg.conf with vesa drivers via terminal window from live session?
[21:21] <Daughain> OK, lets try this from scratch.....New port and cable.
[21:21] <Peace-> fungos: :) you have to thing good
[21:21] <sfears> ok Daughain
[21:22] <fungos> sfears: the live doesnt use xorg.conf, its automatic .. modeset?
[21:22] <sfears> don't use kdisk Daughain.. let's try manually before we start messing with guis
[21:22] <Daughain> OK, dmesg | tail shows a connected usb device....
[21:23] <Peace-> fungos: good luck , here in italy it's late
[21:23] <fungos> Peace-: thanks
[21:23] <jcook_> how do you get a room list in Quassel. Like I can in xchat
[21:23] <Peace->  goooood night everyone
[21:23] <sfears> Daughain: and you don't have any mouse/printers/periperals attached to another usb port correct?
[21:23] <fungos> Peace-: gnight
[21:24] <Daughain> sfears:  I have a BT dongle and my laptop cooler plugged in on other ports.
[21:24] <sfears> i would imagine they would be listed in dmesg
[21:24] <Daughain> Nope, prior to plugging in the drive the only thing in dmesg was wlan.
[21:24] <sfears> ok
[21:25] <sfears> still showing /dev/sdc1?
[21:25] <sfears> correction*.. still showing sdc1
[21:25] <Daughain> No, just two lines rthis time.
[21:26] <Daughain> sfears:   Want me to paste?
[21:26] <sfears> sure
[21:26] <kubian> hi..need help on wireless for intelPro3945 ABG.   fresh 9.10 install won't connect to WEP.  Any ideas to fix? Even installed lucid firmware no luck
[21:26] <BluesKaj> time for a  stretch out in the easy chair with the lappy ...bbiab
[21:26] <Daughain> sfears: 341.692555] usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6
[21:26] <Daughain> [  341.846796] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[21:27] <Daughain> sfears:   Thats all the output I got after wlan auth.
[21:28] <Daughain> sfears:   I picked this drive up used. f it was wiped but not formatted, would that be causing these issues?
[21:29] <sfears> Daughain: it should list something about the size of the device among other things.. is the usb cable plugged directally into the external drive.. or does the external drive have some kind of outer casing?.. i've seen usb cables plugged into ide converters for external drives before, maybe a bad ide cable
[21:29] <sfears> i guess it could be Daughain.. but even a non formated disk should show up in fdisk so that you can partition & format
[21:30] <Daughain> I'm using a good WD USB to SATA converter and I can unplug and do a quick check to make sure this usb cable is good.
[21:30] <Daughain> sfears: I pulled a WD passport apart to get the converter. =)
[21:31] <sfears> usb to sata may require extra drivers?
[21:31] <sfears> what version of kubuntu?
[21:32] <Daughain> sfears:  Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic x64
[21:32] <Daughain> sfears: I installed kde4 after the install.
[21:32] <Daughain> And no extra drivers are needed, my 250G wd passport plugs in just fine.
[21:33] <sfears> do you have a windows machine to test on? to make sure the drive/cables are good?
[21:33] <sfears> may just be a junk drive
[21:33] <Daughain> My windows box says it is attached, but cant find the drivers for it...
[21:33] <Daughain> sfears:   Thats what I am afraid of atm. =)
[21:34] <sfears> ok.. so it sounds like it does need extra drivers for the sata capability
[21:35] <sfears> i'm not sure how to go about finding those though
[21:35] <Daughain> sfears:  The windows box is a 6 year old toshiba......It prolly needs sata drivers.
[21:35] <Daughain> Its IDE.
[21:35] <ilumi> anyone familiar with kdenlive?
[21:37] <Daughain> sfears:  And with its age, I'm not sure if there are any for it. =(
[21:37] <kubian> anyone has intel3945 wireless wrking otb with 9.10?
[21:37] <sfears> is there a switch on the drive Daughain.. usb or esata?
[21:37] <Daughain> sfears:  No, this one is a little older than that, just usb.
[21:38] <Daughain> sfears:   I dont have esata capability anyway.
[21:39] <Daughain> Ok, lemme try something else.....
[21:40] <sfears> Daughain: just making sure esata wasn't selected on the external
[21:40] <Daughain> sfears:  No worries. =) I'm not *that* much a newb. =)
[21:42] <kubian> noone using intel3945 wireless?
[21:43] <kubian> shud be very common lappy hardware i thought
[21:44] <sfears> not using intel3945
[21:45] <sfears> i take it your having issues kubian
[21:47] <Daughain> sfears:   Ok, just tested 3 3.5 sata drives and 1 2.5 sata drive.....The 3.5's are questionables, the 2.5 is a good unit I been using for a while...
[21:47] <Daughain> sfears:  None of the 3.5 drives showed, or even seemed to spin up...
[21:48] <Daughain> The 2.5 worked as usual
[21:48] <sfears> auto-mounted?
[21:48] <Daughain> sfears: Yes.
[21:48] <sfears> same cable?
[21:48] <Daughain> auto-mount and accesible.
[21:48] <Daughain> Same cable, same adaptor.
[21:49] <sfears> unless the formating thing has something to do with it i would said it's junk hardware
[21:49] <Daughain> Thats what I am thinking as well....That sucks.
[21:50] <sfears> hope you didn't pay too much
[21:50] <Daughain> 60....
[21:50] <Daughain> Not *too* bad.
[21:51] <sfears> i would try to plug it in directally to a sata capable computer to confirm hardware failure Daughain
[21:52] <Daughain> sfears:   Ya, I'm gonna try that again, and see if I can keep the damn thing from trying to boot off the new drives like it did last time.
[21:52] <sfears> i have a usb to ide cable that give me flaky results sometimes.. good drives that don't show up with the usb cable but boot fine when plugged in directally
[21:53] <Daughain> Ya.....At least one of those 3.5s should spin up.....That makes me wonder as well.
[21:55] <Daughain> It may just be something with the WD adaptor, since it came out of a passport, it may not work with 3.5 drives.
[21:56] <Daughain> Well, at least girls system is ubuntu. =)
[21:58] <sfears> no doubt.. couldn't imagine switching back now
[21:58] <Daughain> She keeps whining for windows... =(
[21:59] <Daughain> But..It has only been a few days for her.
[21:59] <sfears> it's frustrating at first... and lame when you can't find any help
[21:59] <Daughain> She doesnt look any furthet than me for help..........But...
[22:00] <Daughain> Thats usually far enough. =)
[22:05] <BluesKaj> Daughain, my wife used our laptop with lucid on it while we visited family during the holidays and she was quite happy with it's features. Of course i set it up to almosy mimic windows apps in terms of email and browsers , which was sufficient at the time.
[22:06] <Daughain> BlueEagl1:   She just whining because xchat isnt mirc, and gimp isnt photoshop.
[22:06] <Daughain> Though, she seems to have A BUG WITH PIDGIN.
[22:06] <Daughain> Well, it also prolly doesnt help that I cant script anything for xchat either.
[22:10] <BluesKaj> can't script for xchat? ..hmm never realized that...never used it much tho
[22:11] <soee> when we can expect 4.4 rc1 updates ?
[22:12] <Tm_T> soee: not until it's released
[22:12] <Daughain> BlueEagl1:   Dunno, I said *I* can't. =)
[22:13] <Daughain> Need to burn off an x86 armic cd for her system, though...
[22:13] <Daughain> Karmic. even.
[22:29] <Daughain> Anyone know of an irc app similar to mirc?
[22:33] <TheGentleman> Hello. I have a problem at installing Kubuntu Karmic from a USB stck.  I followed the instructions at "https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/i386/boot-usb-files.html"
[22:33] <Daughain> Whats the problem?
[22:33] <TheGentleman> it boots the machine and starts asking language and keyboard,
[22:33] <TheGentleman>  then it can't find the iso file
[22:34] <TheGentleman> which is there on the stick of course!
[22:34] <Daughain> You have bios configured for boot from usb?
[22:35] <TheGentleman> i think so, at least it boots and starts the installation procedure with asking for the language
[22:35] <TheGentleman> after this selection it searches for the iso but it can't find it
[22:36] <Daughain> I'd say double check and make sure 'boot from usb' is at the top of the list. If it is still havng trouble, you need someone who knows more than I do.=)
[22:38] <TheGentleman> I am sure it boots from usb!   if not inserted it boots from an older kubuntu 8.04
[22:39] <TheGentleman> anyone ?
[22:43] <TheGentleman> the usb stick contains the following files: ldlinux.sys  vmlinuz  syslinux.cfg  initrid .gz and  kubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso   Is is anything wrong up to this?
[22:43] <Tutattis> hey, i encrypted a lvm partition on my hdd using lukFormat cipher. if i do a simple remove/delete tables (quick format) is the encryption lost? I mean if i create new partition table and partitions there wont be an encryption there.. right?
[22:44] <BluesKaj> TheGentleman, so what happens when you click on the iso file ?
[22:45] <TheGentleman> never tried that... it should use the iso file by itself during install, isn't it?
[22:48] <TheGentleman> BlueEagl1, what happens is that it complains it can't find the iso file after having selected language, keyboard and location
[22:48] <TheGentleman> but the file is there on the stick!
[22:48] <TheGentleman> BluesKaj, ...sorry,  Not BlueEagl1
[22:50] <BluesKaj> then your iso file is incomplete , somehow ..try reloading the files but give it more time, sometimes file tranfers aren't done when the indicator shows it to be.
[22:52] <TheGentleman> well, then it must be a copy problem BluesKaj : I have already used the very same file to install on another machine (this one, which is a VirtualBox  guestin a WinXP Host)
[22:52] <BluesKaj> the ok, sorry to hear that
[22:53] <TheGentleman> i will check the md5 sum of the file on the stick anyway... but i'm quite confident it is ok
[22:54] <BluesKaj> TheGentleman, maybe someone with usb boot experience can help here
[22:54] <TheGentleman> i hope so......  ;-)
[22:55] <BluesKaj> <-- nevertried a usb stick install, doubt my 4 yr old pc BIOS is capable of it
[22:56] <TheGentleman> i will check in the eeepc channel... they should have experience
[22:56] <BluesKaj> yes, good luck
[22:56] <TheGentleman> thanks
[22:58] <BluesKaj> TheGentleman, the #ubuntu room has some very knowledgeable ppl as well
[22:59] <TheGentleman> ok, thanks BluesKaj
[23:00] <Daughain> BluesKaj: Check bios. =)
[23:01] <Scunizi> Is there a method of adjusting the mouse pad? In settings>Mouse/Keyboard there is no option for the pad.. It's just reading finger clicks terribly (pad tapping)
[23:03] <BluesKaj> Daughain, yeah, i mentioned that earlier
[23:05] <sven_oostenbrink> Anything known about heller slow intel graphics driver in kernel 2.6.31.16?
[23:15] <Fanfare> uahh, i think i really made a big mistake moving my encrypted home to another partition...
[23:16] <dixienormas> yep
[23:16] <Scunizi> Is there a method of adjusting the mouse pad? In settings>Mouse/Keyboard there is no option for the pad.. It's just reading finger clicks terribly (pad tapping)
[23:18] <Daughain> How do I make hidden files visible in dolphin?
[23:18] <Scunizi> Daughain I think you can right mouse click the window and View>Hidden
[23:19] <Fanfare> Daughain: <alt>+<.>
[23:20] <dixienormas> anyway i can use a crossover cable to connect to a windows xp comp and directly transfer files to a different partition?
[23:20] <Daughain> Thanks, guys.
[23:21] <dixienormas> fm
[23:21] <dixienormas> l
[23:23] <dixienormas> anyone know how i can get steam/ TF2 running on Ubuntu 8.04?
[23:24] <Scunizi> the #ubuntu channel may be better for that.. many more there then here.
[23:24] <dixienormas> word thx
[23:31] <Derath-Srvr> sigh, was about to point dixie to PlayOnLinux, great script for those popular titles
[23:38] <sladermen> Hello guys im running ubuntu 9.10 and when i installed it I chose to encrypt my home directory. However I now wish to disable the encryption. How can I do this? thanks
[23:39] <Derath-Srvr> Now there's an interesting one... haven't done that myself, let me do a little digging...
[23:41] <Derath-Srvr> Here's one option I found: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8459529&postcount=5 it's for Ubuntu 9.04, but worth a shot
[23:42] <memenode> KDE 4.4 is faster, but effects seem sluggish
[23:42] <Derath-Srvr> Or more specifically: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8460046&postcount=7
[23:45] <Derath-Srvr> sladermen: There's one more post on that same thread at the bottom that describes all the steps someone did to remove it from the home directory