[00:50] <douglasawh-work> anybody got a favorite old kernel ppa? I need an old one for virtualbox to work with lucid...
[01:56] <DanaG> hmm, now that I have some of that diamond thermal paste on my laptop, it's time for me to consider going with the open-source drivers.
[01:56] <DanaG> Currently, I've pinned xorg to the Karmic version so I can use fglrx, but the failures on resume from suspend are rather irritating.
[02:00] <jukebox-zero> Hola, I've run into an issue trying to install 9.10, so I figured I'd ask how Lucid is working for everyone. Any serious bugs?... Maybe giving the alpha a try is worth a shot if there've been no major issues?
[02:05] <douglasawh-work> ok, I found this if anyone is ever looking to install an old kernel in Lucid: https://launchpad.net/~stefan-bader-canonical/+archive/jaunty
[02:09] <DanaG> hmm, open-source driver still uses much more power than closed-source driver.
[02:09] <DanaG> 31 watts minimum, versus 17 watts minimum with fglrx.
[02:14] <DanaG> yargh, so it's rather frustrating.
[02:34] <bjsnider> it uses twice as much power
[02:34] <bjsnider> why is that?
[02:36] <DanaG> Because it leaves it in this clock mode:
[02:36] <DanaG> engine clock: 594000 Hz
[02:36] <DanaG> memory clock: 693000 Hz
[02:36] <DanaG> And by minimum, I mean, the lowest number I see in powertop while watching it.
[02:37] <bjsnider> are those the maximum clock speeds?
[02:38] <DanaG> Yeah, I believe so.
[02:38] <DanaG> 600/700, yes.
[02:38] <DanaG> (rounding up.)
[02:39] <bjsnider> there's no way around that pedal-to-the-medal mentality?
[02:39] <DanaG> Not currently.
[02:39] <DanaG> That's the default state of the card in vbios: highest speed.  Also affects Windows when in safe mode.
[02:41] <bjsnider> well, the open source drivers need to do this kind of thing automatically, dynamically switching when needed
[02:41] <bjsnider> like automatic transmission
[02:42] <DanaG> Or at the very least, have a force-low-power-mode option, for the time being.
[02:43] <cwillu_at_work> DanaG, you've seen the radeon options "ClockGating", "ForceLowPowerMode" and "DynamicPM"?
[02:43] <DanaG> They don't apply under KMS.  :(
[02:43] <cwillu_at_work> really?
[02:43] <DanaG> And compiz doesn't work nicely under non-KMS.
[02:43] <bjsnider> but it should happen automatically
[02:44] <cwillu_at_work> bjsnider, presumably the dynamicpm and such would just be on by default
[02:45] <bjsnider> intel chips aren't automatically throttled up to max all the time are they?
[02:45] <DanaG> The problem in my case is that it's not throttled DOWN.
[02:45] <DanaG> High is the default state in my video BIOS.
[02:45] <DanaG> Same has been true of many other systems I've used.
[02:45] <DanaG> s/many/some/
[02:45] <bjsnider> the radeon driver uses that video bios i know that much so it must be able to change it
[02:46] <DanaG> There's a set of patches going around the mailing list, that aim to do KMS power savings... but nothing in any git trees yet, and it currently only downclocks by 50 MHz.
[02:48] <DanaG> And even that has gone quiet for a while over the winter break.
[02:48] <DanaG> now to reboot back to fglrx.
[02:52] <DanaG> aah, sweet non-noisy low-power mode.
[03:02] <DanaG> hmm, powertop says my CPU is spending 2.6% of the time in "Turbo Mode".
[03:03] <DanaG> Yet, it doesn't say what frequency this supposed "Turbo Mode" is.
[04:29] <knue> hi
[04:29] <knue> after last dist-upgrade
[04:29] <knue> my locales are screwed
[04:29] <knue> is this a known problem?
[04:30] <knue> -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.utf8)
[04:30] <knue> get this when trying: export LC_ALL=en_US.utf8
[04:31] <JontheEchidna> yeah, same here after today's upgrades
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> debuild uses a lot of perl scripts, it turns out :x
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> Each and every one of them also reports the error :P
[04:33] <knue> Is there a work around currently?
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> dunno, seems to be a somewhat new issue still
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> I'd be interested in knowing too
[04:35] <knue> seems that sth messed up with setlocale
[04:35] <knue> locale -a shows me for instance en_GB.utf
[04:35] <knue> 8
[04:35] <knue> setting
[04:35] <knue> export LC_ALL=en_GB.utf8
[04:35] <knue> results in the same error
[04:35] <knue> and i definitly have the files in /usr/lib/locale/*
[06:15] <ripps|sleep> I'm also getting locale errors, is there a bug report I can subscribe too?
[06:24] <yoasif_> ripps, same here
[06:24] <ripps> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+bug/346045
[06:25] <ripps> woops wrong one
[06:25] <ripps> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/504021
[06:25] <ripps> this one is is actually discussing the problem in lucid, no solutions yet though
[06:27] <yoasif_> subscribing
[06:29] <yoasif_> anyone in here ever use reportbug?
[06:29] <yoasif_> it is crashing on me
[06:33] <hey_boy> Hello. Where do I control the number of kernels installed (and available for booting from) in Ubuntu Karimc?
[06:35] <RAOF> hey_boy: By removing ould kernels.
[06:35] <RAOF> yoasif_: Reportbug?  For filing Debian bugs?  Yes.  It seemed a bit fragile, particularly the GTK interface, but it worked.
[06:36] <RAOF> hey_boy: In particular, if you're after "keep only the last 5 kernels", I believe the answer is "we don't have anything for that implemented"
[06:37] <ripps> yoasif_: reportbug is for debian, ubuntu uses ubuntu-bug
[06:37] <yoasif_> RAOF, yeah -- every time i switch virtual desktops, it foes compiz gray
[06:37] <yoasif_> ripps, yeah i know, i want to do some packaging requests on debian because they have an actual perl team ;)
[06:38] <RAOF> yoasif_: Well, I'd say... if it hurts to do that, stop doing it :)
[06:38] <yoasif_> RAOF, yeah, but there is some information on that desktop :P
[06:38] <ripps> yoasif_: ah, yes. I have tried to use reportbug for something similar in the past, but I gave up and just used the email interface for filing debian bugs.
[06:39] <RAOF> Then why isn't reportbug on that desktop? :)
[06:40] <yoasif_> hehe
[06:40] <RAOF> Feel free to file an Ubuntu bug against reportbug, but I'm not sure how much love the Debian-specific bug reporting tool gets in Ubuntu.
[06:41] <yoasif_> but... ubuntu /is/ debian :P
[06:43] <ripps> yoasif_: more accurately, ubuntu is based on debian. Alot of packages are setup and patched differently than debian.
[06:43] <yoasif_> yea yea :)
[06:44] <yoasif_> but yeah, will make sure not to switch desktops while using reportbug :P
[06:47] <bbalajirao> Hello
[06:48] <bbalajirao> I want to increase the number of kernel install limit (presently it is 3). Where do I do the changes?
[06:50] <ripps> bbalajirao: didn't you just ask that 10 minutes ago as hey_boy?
[06:51] <bbalajirao> previously the answer was - by deleting the kernel in /boot. Isn't there a config file where changes can be made?
[06:51] <bbalajirao> instead of deleting the kernel manually?
[06:52] <bbalajirao> like the grub.conf or menu.lst
[07:05] <bbalajirao> I dont have a menu.lst on my system. I want to change the number of kernels installed. How do I do that?
[07:06] <RAOF> grub2 will show all your installed kernels.  If you want more kernels to show up, install more.
[07:07] <bbalajirao> Its not about how many are shown but how many are installed at any given time.
[07:07] <RAOF> I don't think we automatically uninstall kernels.
[07:10] <bbalajirao> There has to be a limit to the number of kernels installed on the system. Otherwise older kernels would keep accumulating. the limit has to be set somewhere.
[07:10] <RAOF> Older kernels don't just keep accumulating?
[07:11] <RAOF> It's possible that they don't; I haven't really noticed.
[07:12] <RAOF> If there were any handling it'd be in apt
[07:17] <DanaG> I think it would be nice for it to keep at least the latest major-version.
[07:17] <DanaG> For example, I have the last 2.6.30, as well as the 2.6.32 kernels.
[07:18] <DanaG> Er, at least one of the previous major-version.
[07:18] <DanaG> So, if somebody upgrades from karmic to lucid, and lucid kernel fails... they still have Karmic kernel.
[07:19] <RAOF> Well, we currently set linux-image.* to never autoremove.  I can't see anywhere where we remove kernels.
[07:34] <bbalajirao> there is /boot/grub/grub.cfg. But not able to figure out where to set the limit to number of kernels installed.
[07:34] <bbalajirao> in the said file
[08:04] <jjardon> hello, after today upgrade seems that GDM doesn't work
[08:05] <jjardon> any more with this problem?
[08:13] <joaopinto> gdm is not starting for me for a few days already
[08:13] <joaopinto> jjardon, try booting without "quite splash"
[08:14] <jjardon> thank you joaopinto , will try, bye
[08:17] <torkiano> joaopinto, bad new: didn't work
[08:19] <torkiano> I can see the "x" cursor but gdm doesnt boot :/
[08:19] <joaopinto> :(
[08:22] <jjardon> damn, I have to do some work :/
[08:43] <skydrome> anyone have problems with transmission causing ubuntu to freeze?
[09:04] <om26er> will lucid have graphical grub?
[09:08] <siretart`> I've dist-upgraded my lucid laptop yesterday, but now my gdm session doesn't start. does someone experience similar symptoms and has an idea where to look?
[09:10] <RAOF> siretart`: Intel graphics?
[09:11] <siretart`> RAOF: yes. it seems that gdm segfaults. at least I have a backtrace in /var/log/syslog
[09:11] <siretart`> 2 threads, both ended in __kernel_vsyscall()
[09:12] <siretart`> RAOF: do you have any suspicion?
[09:12] <RAOF> At one point I recall usplash & plymouth were fighting with gdm when kms was in use.
[09:12] <siretart`> I have neither usplash nor plymouth installed
[09:13] <RAOF> Hm.  In which case, I'm not sure I can help; apart from that, graphics have been nicely stable for me in Lucid.
[09:16] <siretart`> RAOF: this is in my /var/log/syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/352787/
[09:21] <siretart`> RAOF: seems that a 'sudo locale-gen' fixed this issue. maybe this should go into the topic?
[09:21] <RAOF> Yeah.
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:27] <wzssyqa1> hi, bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (zh_CN)
[09:29] <wzssyqa1> and if run dash first,and then export LC_ALL=zh_CN ,then it sucess
[09:34] <siretart`> wzssyqa1: just discussed a few minutes before, try 'sudo locale-gen'
[09:35] <wzssyqa1> siretart`: now ,i can reboot?
[09:35] <siretart`> no idea
[09:36] <wzssyqa1> siretart`: why it happens?
[09:36] <siretart`> glibc upgrade destroyed some locales
[09:36] <wzssyqa1> siretart`: thx
[09:46] <wzssyqa> siretart`: is this problem affect gdm?
[09:49] <wzssyqa> siretart`: this did not solve my problem
[09:50] <siretart`> no idea then
[10:03] <ripps> Hmm... is seems sudo locale-gen + reboot fixed the setlocale issue. I first thought that it wasn't working, but it seems it was reboot that was important.
[10:04] <wzssyqa> ripps: i rebooted,and ,it still have this problem
[10:05] <ripps> wzssyqa: do you have all your proper language-packs installed? Just open System->Administration->Language Support and the app will make sure the necessary language-packs are installed
[10:05] <wzssyqa> ripps: yes,it installed
[10:06] <ripps> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales?
[10:06] <wzssyqa> ripps: i did ,too
[10:06] <ripps> wzssyqa: did you do all of that before reboot?
[10:06] <ripps> Because that's exactly what I did.
[10:07] <wzssyqa> ripps: no ,first, dpkg-reconfigure locales,then reboot, then sudo locale-gen,then reboot
[10:07] <ripps> *shrugs* I don't know then.
[10:14] <wzssyqa1> ripps: it can work now
[10:15] <wzssyqa> ripps: thx
[11:09] <alkisg> I'm using dl-ubuntu-test-iso to rsync the Lucid live CDs. I have FLAVORS="ubuntu kubuntu edubuntu" in my config file, but for edubuntu I'm not getting anything. Any clues?
[11:50] <ior3k> hey everyone
[11:50] <ior3k> my keyboard stopped working with X
[11:51] <ior3k> is this a known problem?
[11:51] <ior3k> anyone know what I can do to fix it?
[11:57] <Q-FUNK> hm. after this morning's update, perl no longer manages to set the locale.
[12:00] <ripps> Q-FUNK: goto System->Administration->Language Support to make sure all the default language packs are installed, then 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' then 'sudo locale-gen', and finally, then reboot. That's what did it for me.
[12:00] <Q-FUNK> ripps: you had this problem too, today?
[12:01] <ripps> Q-FUNK: tons of people have
[12:01] <Q-FUNK> ok
[12:01] <geser> Q-FUNK: bug #504198
[12:02] <Q-FUNK> ah, ok
[12:02] <Q-FUNK> thanks
[12:02] <geser> a "sudo locale-gen --purge" fixes this problem
[12:22] <Q-FUNK> geser: ypu, that --purge option seems to do it.  thanks!
[13:08] <BUGabundo_work> err
[13:08] <BUGabundo_work> no updates for me today then
[14:25] <alkisg_> I'm trying Lucid on my laptop with nvidia 8600M GT. Isn't nouveau supposed to be automatically used? I can't even install it:
[14:25] <alkisg_> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.6.2) but it is not going to be installed
[14:25] <alkisg_> E: Broken packages
[14:25] <alkisg_> Any clues?
[14:36] <bjsnider> alkisg_, try #ubuntu-x
[14:36] <alkisg_> bjsnider: thanks
[14:46] <bjsnider> !info libfuse lucid
[14:48] <bjsnider> !info libfuse2 lucid
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:50] <marijus> somebody knows something about th pango-cairo error in gnome-shell?
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> no
[16:38] <knittl> hi, has anybody else problems with umlauts? furthermore only seem to set an old version of my layout ...
[16:44] <knittl> seems somehow related to compose, because in gnome-terminal a sharp s will be transformed to dobule s and ellipsis will be transformed to three dots
[17:02] <Xfact> Why this lucid channel is named 'Ubuntu+1' i the upcoming release is spacial then others....something like '+1'! ?!
[17:02] <knittl> Xfact: +1 means upcoming
[17:03] <knittl> this way you can use the same channel for all releases
[17:03] <knittl> without changing it's name
[17:03] <Xfact> ooh! this is nota channel for lucid, it's just upcoming release channel...ok
[17:04] <Xfact> ok, anyone has any links or information that how much hardware requirement it'll need to run smoothly?
[17:04] <Xfact> I am obviouly talking about 10.04
[17:05] <knittl> same as before i guess
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Too soon to tell, but hopefully about the same as 9.10
[17:06] <Xfact> then cool...
[17:06] <knittl> 256 mb ram and 4 gb hdd
[17:06] <knittl> approx.
[17:06] <Xfact> i heard it'll probably release on 24th of april....
[17:07] <charlie-tca> !schedule
[17:08] <om26er> knittl, make that 386mb minimum
[17:11] <knittl> om26er: ok
[17:11] <knittl> 386 mb ram and 4 gb hdd
[17:17] <BUGabundo_work> hey charlie-tca
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo_work
[17:17] <charlie-tca> You been busy
[17:21] <BUGabundo_work> pleanty
[17:38] <charlie-tca> It's good for you , I think
[17:40] <genii> With upstart, is the tool to replace update-rc.d now initctl ?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> hi genii , have you seen the prob with kdesudo kate in the run command ? , for example if I call up /etc/fstab withkdesudo i get a blank kate text page , but if I use gksudo kate it magically appears
[17:51] <BluesKaj> this prob started on Lucid a few days ago
[17:51] <genii> BluesKaj: Haven't seen that. Did you by accident maybe run kate with just "sudo" at some point?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> not that i recall , no
[17:52] <BluesKaj> I don't see any sudo's in the drop down
[17:53] <genii> BluesKaj: Does: ls -l ~/.kde/share/config/kate*               show them all belonging to the right user?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> no other users, just me
[17:59] <genii> BluesKaj: Does: ls -lhR ~/* | grep root                    show anything?
[18:01] <BUGabundo_work> charlie-tca: yeah
[18:01] <BluesKaj> genii, http://pastebin.ca/1741657
[18:01] <genii> BluesKaj: Sorry, should be: ls -laR ~/* | grep root
[18:02] <genii> BluesKaj: You have a bunch of files in your home dir that belong to root :/
[18:03] <BluesKaj> genii, http://pastebin.ca/1741658
[18:03]  * BluesKaj wonders how that happened
[18:05] <genii> BluesKaj: OK, nothing that should be causing the kate problem there
[18:06] <BluesKaj> genii, not to worry , I was able to fix my fstab prob anyway , was merely setting up ntfs/windows partition access
[18:08] <BluesKaj> I'm sure permissions might be fixed soon , I have the same prob on the laptop with lucid as do others I've chatted with in the last few days
[18:21] <BluesKaj> bbl.. stuff to do
[18:35] <exosyst> What's the situation on the LTS GDM configuration tool?
[18:36] <exosyst> i.e. Is there one planned? In development?
[18:47] <charlie-tca> exosyst: I think the plan is to replace GDM with Plymouth, which will negate the need for a GDM configuration tool
[18:48] <exosyst> I thought they were two distinct parts
[18:49] <charlie-tca> I could be wrong, but everything I have seen is that Plymouth when it gets integrated will replace gdm
[18:51] <exosyst> hmm... i thought plymouth just replaced u/xsplash?
[18:52] <exosyst> If you're right though and it's being scrapped then my life becomes simpler :P
[18:54] <charlie-tca> I am hoping I am right. My life would also be easier without gdm
[18:56] <exosyst> lol - I wrote a GUI thing to configure some of the bits for the Karmic one and someone has approached me to work on extending it and enhancing it but there's no point if GDM2 is going the way of the dodo!
[19:01] <yoasif_> plymouth is replacing gdm? source?
[19:03] <jibadeeha> didn't know what a dodo was until i just googled it
[19:09] <exosyst1> Any result on the GDM2 thing being removed? I'm pretty sure plymouth is just the graphicalboot thingy
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Nope, looks like I am wrong. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/LucidBootExperience
[19:17]  * charlie-tca apparently really wants gdm replaced by something that works all the time
[19:18] <exosyst1> ok cool - so any ideas on where the GDM2 configuration tool is being worked on?
[19:18] <charlie-tca> don't know anything about it
[19:19] <Ian_Corne> wwhat's wrong with the current GDM?
[19:19] <Ian_Corne> i haven't heard any complaints
[19:21] <exosyst1> I wanted to work on the configuration tool - that's all, I wrote one but wanted to do something a bit more polished with the help of a couple of interested guys
[19:34] <ernstp> I've tried 2 kubuntu daily livecds this week but it fails to start KDM, do they work for anyone else?
[19:48] <IdleOne> getting an error when trying to start synaptic : Gtk:ERROR:/build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.19.2/gtk/gtkrbtree.c:1098:_gtk_rbtree_find_offset: assertion failed: (tree)
[19:53] <Freddy2> hi
[19:54] <BluesKaj> I'm running kde 4.3.4 on lucid , Qt default is 4.6 afaik
[19:54] <Freddy2> so.. what about kde's delay? 10.04 can suffer it?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> err sorrykde 4.4
[19:55] <BluesKaj> dunno about any delays
[19:56] <BluesKaj> there are bound to be delays with alpha versions , the devs don't give explanations
[19:56] <genii> Freddy2: devs in #kubuntu-devel indicate Lucid will ship with KDE 4.4 RC1
[19:56] <Freddy2> i did read a blog (don't remember where) a few days ago, talking about a 2 week delay to use the "more stable and bugfixed" qt 4.6.1 instead of 4.6.0
[19:57] <Freddy2> and a second RC should be shipped
[19:57] <yofel> Freddy2: about qt, they might wait for the debian maintainers to package it instead of packaging it themselves, debian/experimental still has 4.6.0
[19:58] <genii> Freddy2: Since Lucid is LTS, any KDE updates after that will also be available (after porting)
[19:58] <Freddy2> i know but, that's the point, considering lucid is LTS shouldn't wait for final kde release?
[19:59] <yofel> Freddy2: well, the lucid release date is fixed, kubuntu will ship whatever kde version is available at that point
[20:01] <Freddy2> for me i prefer it to be released on may, even keeping 10.04 as name, but that's only my opinion
[20:04] <yofel> Freddy2: well, that might be so, but I'm not sure breaking the fixed 6 month release is a good idea
[20:04] <yofel> the LTS already has an extended testing period
[20:06] <ceykooo> When I first installed alpha1, hal wasn't there - it's deprecated, right? Now, I go to update today, and it wants to install hal again.  Why is this?
[20:07] <acicula> broken? hal is exit
[20:07] <yofel> ceykooo: hm, you could check with apt-get/aptitude what package wants to install it
[20:12] <yofel> Freddy2: and btw: afaik kde4.4 final is due February 9th which is almost 2 weeks before the Lucid Feature Freeze
[20:13] <yofel> genii: you sure they said rc1?
[20:13] <Freddy2> that's good news
[20:14] <yofel> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Release_Schedule
[20:15] <yofel> actually rc1 was released yesterday and some packages were already uploaded to luid
[20:15] <yofel> *lucid
[20:23] <exosyst> ah hah, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-gdmsetup - Found it
[20:24] <genii> yofel: <agateau> Which version of kde will be in alpha2?      <ScottK> agateau: 4.4 rc1.
[20:25] <exosyst> Hmm - no packages/code available though and I already configure GTK Theme, wallpaper, sounds and autologin for GDM.
[20:25] <exosyst> with my gdm-setup tool :D
[20:25] <yofel> genii: oh, if you're talking about alpha2 then of course 4.4rc1
[20:27] <yofel> exosyst: you could always ask the devs in #ubuntu-devel, maybe they know who you have to get in contact with
[20:28] <exosyst> thanks yofel
[20:29] <genii> yofel: We might now know for sure until 10.04 RC freeze or so
[20:29] <genii> now -> not
[20:29] <yofel> true, but we do still have a week till a2
[20:31] <alex_mayorga> anyone see the imposibility to add IRC channels as contacts on empathy as a bug?
[21:13] <alex_mayorga> coming from pidgin to empathy it confused me a bit that the IRC rooms are not treated as contacts
[21:19] <BluesKaj> alex_mayorga, get used to it , irc was here before IMs :)
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> BluesKaj, I know, I was there back then ;)
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> the thing is I saw there's the 100 paper cuts project being focused on empathy and it was a pain point for me initially
[21:21] <alex_mayorga> just wondering if it was for anyone else
[21:21] <BluesKaj> IMO IMs don't make good IRC clients
[21:23] <alex_mayorga> I tend to agree, but isn't empathy meant to be the swiss army knife of communications from karmic and on?
[21:25] <BluesKaj> alex_mayorga, dunno I use kde , so not familiar with what empathy is supposed to do
[21:25] <alex_mayorga> nevermind, it's already on their bugzilla https://bugzilla.gnome.org/601162
[21:50] <alkisg_> Does the flash player package in Lucid use the 32 bit lib? Or is it native 64bit?
[22:04] <alex_mayorga> alkisg_, itś 32 bit I believe but you might want to check bjsniderś https://edge.launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/experimental-flash
[22:04] <alex_mayorga> I need to get used to those dead keys :(
[22:05] <alkisg_> Thank you alex_mayorga. Too bad, I hoped for native 64bit flash by default in Lucid. Well :-/
[22:06] <alex_mayorga> the PPA I just passed along is 64 bit
[22:06] <alkisg_> Thanks, I got it - there's also the 64bit package in the Adobe site, I was just looking for what will be the default one, in the official repos.
[22:09] <alkisg_> I'll try that PPA of course :)
[22:10] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: are you going to push your experiment for release on lucid?
[22:46] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, does it work?
[22:48]  * alkisg_ will try it tomorrow...
[22:50] <bjsnider> it actually isn't only 64-bit. it installs both native plugins without using nspluginwrapper
[22:50] <alkisg_> bjsnider: in which case are both plugins needed?
[22:51] <bjsnider> no, i mean if you're on i386 it installs the 32-bit plugin. if you're on amd64 it installs the 64-bit plugin
[22:51] <alkisg_> Ah, that's perfect. So if you get enough (and positive!) feedback, would you push it for release on Lucid?
[22:52] <alkisg_> Or is it too soon?
[22:52] <bjsnider> i don't know
[22:52] <alkisg_> Thanks... I'll try it tomorrow :)
[22:52] <bjsnider> someone would have to make a decision that the native 64-bit plugin is a better solution than the 32-bit with nspluginwrapper
[23:11] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I guess removing the existing plugin is in order ..I'll give your ppa a try on my 64 bit desktop
[23:17] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, it should upgrade it. but i already know it installs fine, so try to install it if another version is there and see what happens (if that's ok with you)
[23:19] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, ok , I'll leave the existing plugin , then let you know what happens
[23:31] <BUGabundo_> hey guys
[23:31] <BUGabundo_> hos is our beloved critical bug
[23:31] <BUGabundo_> about lost of keyb and mouse?
[23:32] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, looks good , just ran the upgrade after adding the ppa ..all seems fine ..glxinfo shows 3D and dir to be enabled and glxgears fps seems unchanged
[23:33] <BUGabundo_> BluesKaj: ?
[23:33] <bjsnider> flash doesn't change any of that
[23:33] <BUGabundo_> heeelllooooo
[23:35] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, look for the following things: flash links in /etc/alternatives and nspluginwrapper *not* being installed
[23:36] <xguru> has anyone taken any screenshots or uploaded any video of the new eye candy in lucid?
[23:36] <BUGabundo_> i'm feeling ignored :(
[23:37] <bjsnider> BUGabundo_, violence must therefore ensue
[23:37] <xguru> or better yet is there any improvements in that area?
[23:37] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, yeah, ok but I thought flash might wasn't sure...dinnertime , bbl
[23:37] <BUGabundo_> bjsnider: whats the bug id, and how is it ?
[23:40] <bjsnider> bug 1
[23:41] <BUGabundo_> eheh
[23:41] <BUGabundo_> jiz thanks
[23:41] <BUGabundo_> :(
[23:41] <yofel> is it just me or does ubottu timeout everytime when  accessing bug 1?
[23:42] <yofel> more like... timeout after <1000ms???
[23:44] <bjsnider> it's no longer a bug. it's an outlandish, nigh-impossible request
[23:46] <yofel> heh, true
[23:49] <BUGabundo_> guys stop joking
[23:49] <BUGabundo_> and help me
[23:49] <BUGabundo_> i have no keyb or mouse working
[23:49] <BUGabundo_> whats the critical bug for that (should be on Topic) and is it know any workaround ?
[23:52] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo_: doesn't that make it harder to use the system?
[23:53] <BUGabundo_> charlie-tca: yes
[23:53] <BUGabundo_> almost impossible
[23:53] <BUGabundo_> touchpad works but mouse doesnt
[23:53] <BUGabundo_> i'm accessign it via SSH
[23:53] <charlie-tca> I'm looking in launchpad
[23:53] <Ian_Corne> :p
[23:53] <BUGabundo_> already upgraded it to latest packages
[23:54] <Ian_Corne> Is the mouse plugged in?
[23:54] <Ian_Corne> :p
[23:54] <BUGabundo_> and saw the locale upgrade i read about this afternoon
[23:54] <charlie-tca> bug 504149
[23:54]  * BUGabundo_ slaps Ian_Corne  around
[23:54] <BUGabundo_> thats still undecided
[23:54] <charlie-tca> although personally, I like using the keyboard and mouse
[23:54] <BUGabundo_> there was a critical one
[23:54] <BUGabundo_> charlie-tca: DONT REBOOT
[23:55] <AlanBell> hi, what version of OpenOffice.org is going in to Lucid?
[23:56] <AlanBell> and is it there yet?
[23:56] <BUGabundo_> charlie-tca: what xorg package should it be filed agaist?
[23:57] <charlie-tca> I can't find any bug on keyboard and mouse in karmic triaged
[23:57] <charlie-tca> lucid
[23:57] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, flash works ok on youtube, should have checked that first, but so far so good
[23:57] <yofel> !info openoffice.org | AlanBell
[23:58] <charlie-tca> Shouldn't the package be linux?
[23:58] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, coolio
[23:58] <BUGabundo_> should it?
[23:58] <BUGabundo_> charlie-tca: since its input, i feel its X
[23:58] <AlanBell> yofel: thanks
[23:58] <yofel> AlanBell: debian experimental has 3.2 RC1, if lucid will see 3.2 depends if it'll be released before the LTSDebianImportFreeze
[23:59] <charlie-tca> hal then; it says hal couldn't inialise context
[23:59] <BUGabundo_> we dont use HAL anymore
[23:59] <BUGabundo_> its udev
[23:59] <charlie-tca> Might be another issue with removing/deprecating hal
[23:59] <yofel> BUGabundo_: someone mentioned before that a recent update pulled in hal again