[00:41] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca_, hi, there's this one link on the website for kubuntu screenshot tour which still links to 9.04 tour, so can you point me to where I can find the source of that page and update the link, this will have to be taken care for 9.10 and lucid as well
[00:43] <ryanakca_> dhillon-v10: Do you have access to the drupal admin interface?
[00:43] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca_, don't know should I :)
[00:44] <Riddell> ryanakca: feel free to give him the details if you trust him
[00:44] <dhillon-v10> Riddell, there's a little bug, let me give you the link in a sec.
[00:45]  * ryanakca doesn't remember talking to dhillon-v10 before, but I've seen him around... If anybody can vouch for him, I'll give him the details
[00:45] <Riddell> dhillon-v10: do we trust you?
[00:45]  * maco snorts
[00:45] <dhillon-v10> Riddell, depends on you, I never break anyone's trust so :) i'll be responsible
[00:46] <dhillon-v10> Riddell, nixternal can
[00:46] <Riddell> wheesht maco, this is a failsafe security method
[00:46] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, ping
[00:46] <maco> "wheesht"?
[00:46] <freinhard> how do i get rid of that? "pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libopensync1-dev which is a virtual package."
[00:47] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca, you can ask nixternal, I have been working with him for a while now, let me pm him
[00:47] <ryanakca> maco: According to the Urban Dictionary: buy wheesht mugs, tshirts and magnets
[00:47] <ryanakca> (Verb, Scottish slang) Quiet.
[00:47] <ryanakca> oops, ignore the buy blurb
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> freinhard: that means that the package doesn't exist
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> maybe you want libopensync-dev?
[00:48] <crimsun> this is a new source + binary, no?
[00:48] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca, can we wait for sometime until nixternal responds
[00:48] <freinhard> no, i dont, i want libopensync1-dev, that's in my ppa
[00:48] <maco> ryanakca: thanks
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> you'd have to add the ppa to the pbuilder (sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login, then edit the sources.list)
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> then "pbuilder update" if you don't have a hook that does pbuilder update each build
[00:50] <freinhard> JontheEchidna: i added it with --othermirror, and /etc/pbuilder/apt.config is a symlink to /etc/apt so pbuilder should use any repository my system uses?
[00:50] <ryanakca> dhillon-v10: Sure
[00:50] <maco> note that "edit the sources.list" means "make sure you know how to use echo and | to add things to sources.list
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> freinhard: dunno, I've never tried a method like that. But one would assume that it's not working :P
[00:51] <freinhard> JontheEchidna: is there any editor in base.tgz?
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> Not that I can recall
[00:52] <crimsun> there should be.
[00:52] <freinhard> i can edit the files from outside
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> true
[00:52] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca, have a look here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/494214 since the website is going to get a whole new look, can we just close this one or should I leave it alone
[00:53] <ryanakca> dhillon-v10: I would mark it in progress saying that we'll have a whole new look in the near future
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> yay, tags are working again with 4.3.90
[01:01]  * ryanakca sighs at one of his HDs dying
[01:02] <freinhard> JontheEchidna: works, thx!
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[01:05] <dhillon-v10> Riddell, my apologies for the delay, here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/481294
[01:08] <freinhard> got a file that get's installed by default to usr/etc/foo, how do i get it to be installed to etc/foo ?
[01:08] <freinhard> can .install do some magic?
[01:09] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca, my apologies for bothering you, I know you are pretty busy, but have a look here: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kubuntu.org and this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/472928
[01:12] <ryanakca> dhillon-v10: No worries. Yes, that will be fixed shortly, the fixes / front page content on http://drupal.ryanak.ca will be transfered to www.kubuntu.org
[03:52] <pykler> I just updated to 4.4 using the ppa and my systemray doesnt show many of the icons :s
[03:52] <pykler> is anybody else having this issue, or should i clear my 4.3 config, and if i should, how do i only clear the plasma config
[03:55] <pykler> tis any1 here
[03:56] <jjesse> kinda
[03:57] <pykler> anyone know what happened to the desktop switcher in kde 4.4
[03:57] <pykler> its not in my applet list
[03:57] <pykler> i really like 4.4 but man i hate that i upgraded
[03:59] <pykler> is there a better channel to go to
[04:00] <jjesse> is konqueroror removed from kde4.4 ?
[04:01] <pykler> lol, when i do help about it still says 4.3.85 (KDE 4.4 Beta 2)
[04:01] <pykler> i have konqy but i do not have an answer to ur q
[04:03] <pykler> someone help!!!111
[04:08] <shtylman> neversfelde: :) thx
[04:42] <nixternal> we got another foot of snow, and I have to drag the garbage from the back to the front, and there is anywhere between 2 and 3 feet of snow in the route :/
[05:13] <dhillon-v10> Riddell, hey I fixed that bug, and when you go to the admin interface, you will a comment that has the link to the bug, now I going to work on some other outdated links that were there
[08:28] <ghostcube> ehlo humans :)
[08:35] <jussi01> Riddell: I seem to have an extra "m" on planet, is this a typo?
[08:50] <fabo> Riddell: I've done the tarball from svn. I guess Jos forget to release it.
[10:12] <ulysses__> morning
[10:38] <freeflying> Riddell: are you going to upload qt before alpha2?
[10:39] <Riddell> freeflying: should I?
[10:39] <Riddell> what's needed?
[10:40] <freeflying> Riddell: I added two patch for bold style fonts
[10:40] <Riddell> ah yes, ok I can upload that
[10:40] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[10:45] <Quintasan|Szel> o/
[11:35] <ghostcube> http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0356   for all of you coding outside the walls :D
[11:41] <ulysses__> Riddell: have you uploaded the debdiffs for karmic-backports?
[11:42] <Riddell> ulysses__: no still working on qt and kdegames currently, but it's high on my list of many things to upload today
[11:50] <ulysses__> Can I assign bug 503070 to me, and set status in progress?
[11:50] <Riddell> ulysses__: sure
[12:12] <freinhard> how can i figure out why a orig.tar.gz does not show up in the changes file?
[12:13] <freinhard> dpkg-genchanges sais it doesn't add the orig archive, no idea why
[12:13] <freinhard> i did a "debuild -S"
[12:14] <Riddell> freinhard: you need  debuild -S -sa
[12:15] <Riddell> the -sa makes it appear, otherwise it guesses what to do and usually doesn't include it
[12:15] <freinhard> works, thx!
[13:58] <seele> how many people would you estimate use chokoq?
[14:02] <Riddell> that's a very hard thing to estimate
[14:02] <Riddell> twitter would know how many people post from it but I doubt there's anything public
[14:02] <Riddell> you could try looking at popcon data
[14:03] <jussi01> seele: me!
[14:03] <Riddell> you could try asking identi.ca if they have figures, they're probably more friendly than twitter since ubuntu drives half their traffic
[14:10] <al> http://www.twitstat.com/twitterclientusers.html
[14:11] <al> not sure how accurate those numbers are, seem a little jumpy
[14:21] <jussi01> you know, the details section in kpackagekit is rather pointless... no?
[14:21] <jussi01> or is it just my macine?
[14:22] <jussi01> (I have a nice progress bar that goes from side to side when installing packages)
[14:26] <seele> al: useful, but i was looking for a number of persons. 10 people or 1000 people is more useful than .02% for what i need to do
[14:26] <seele> Riddell: what is popcorn?
[14:27] <al> http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[14:28] <Riddell> seele: package popularity stats for ubuntu
[14:28] <Riddell> can be a bit hard to read and it's only for people who turn it on manually so it's not a great sample
[14:29] <Riddell> but we don't have choqok on the CD so any installs there will be people who actively use it I'd expect
[14:29] <seele> is this all-time or just for karmic?
[14:32] <seele> hmm.. gwibber is like 4x more popular
[14:33] <Riddell> that is installed by default
[14:33] <Riddell> so lots of people will have it installed and not use it
[14:33] <seele> aah
[14:44] <ScottK> Also last time I looked, the ubuntu-desktop to kubuntu-desktop ratio in popcon was ~ 6:1, so if gwibber:choqok is ~4:1, that's actually pretty good.
[14:58] <RiotingPacifist> how long will it take to package 4.4rc1 for the ppa? (like no pressure i'm just looking into an upstream bug and want to know if it's worth me waiting, either way i appreciate all the effort you guys put in)
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> at the moment it's just me working on the karmic packages. 12 hours might be a fair estimate if it stays that way
[15:01] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: sorry you are working by yourself, that's pretty amazing then it will be ready in 12 hours
[15:02] <RiotingPacifist> JontheEchidna:  cool, 12hrs is pretty good thx
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> oh noes, now I just gave myself a deadline :P
[15:03] <jjesse> haha no pressure from me :)
[15:04] <Riddell> ulysses__: your launchpad karma is about to get a boost
[15:04] <RiotingPacifist> it's cool with any luck i'm going to be drunk in 12hrs time so will do the reporting tomorow
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[15:04] <ulysses__> Riddell: due to the translations
[15:05] <Riddell> yes
[15:18] <tsimpson> zegenie: it'll be ready when it's ready :)
[15:18] <zegenie> :P
[15:42] <ScottK> Riddell and JontheEchidna: kees said he'd accept libssh in Main if the test suite were enabled at build time.  I fiddled with it last night and couldn't seem to come up with the right CDBS magic.  Could one of you have a look?
[15:44] <Riddell> ok
[15:46] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:12] <Riddell> ScottK: did you get this test suite to compile?  I'm unconvinced it does
[16:14] <Riddell> SSH_OPTIONS is undeclaired
[16:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I did not.
[16:51] <jussi01> can anyone tell me a command for putting a firefox shortcut to the desktop? (ive ssh to a machine and Ive got to fix it for my inlaws...)
[16:52] <Riddell> cp /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop ~/Desktop
[16:54] <jussi01> Riddell: thank you... I probably should have known that... :D
[16:55] <Daskreech> where ~ is ~inlaws/Desktop
[16:56] <jussi01> Daskreech: hehe
[16:58]  * Daskreech goes to see where Rc1 is 
[16:59] <ScottK> kde4libs built, so we are on our way ....
[17:07] <jussi01> ScottK: does that hit the beta ppa? or is there an RC ppa also?
[17:08]  * jussi01 turns the sarcasm off...
[17:11] <mcas> does anyone know were jwisser is
[17:12] <jussi01> mcas: nickserv tells me that nick is not registered...
[17:12] <mcas> thx
[18:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Reply in the libssh MIR bug says it's not an actual test suite.
[19:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and Riddell: libssh MIR approved
[19:14] <ScottK> Which packcage(s) need update for that?
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> just runtime
[19:15] <maco> hrmph. thats silly.  any of you seen kmail sort mail into the "unknown" date when it clearly shows the date of the email right next to the subject?
[19:15] <ScottK> We don't want to upload it until the existing ones have a chance to build as it will depwait on libssh and they'll be a build for superceded source.
[19:15] <ScottK> maco: Yes.
[19:16] <maco> ScottK: know if a bug's been filed?
[19:16] <ScottK> No.
[19:16] <ScottK> It happens when stuff is still 'this week' but is also 'last month' or something.
[19:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Doesn't the attica source need promotion to Main?
[19:37] <genii> For the interested, Chuvalo's interview is playing right now on thatchannel
[19:37] <genii> oops, wrong chan, sorry
[19:52] <genii> Why doesn't npviewer.bin have a taskbar entry? Also why doesn't it auto focus, have to alt-tab to it after maximizing a video... I know, I should be bugging Adobe about it and not here, probably
[20:20] <ScottK> NCommander: Looks like Ross is hung.  Any chance you can get someone to give it a good hard kick.
[21:14] <sistpoty> Riddell: around? I think I just found a bug in kdelibs with a kubuntu patch, as ScottK pointed me to investigate the klamav build failure
[21:15] <sheytan> HI, i've got a kubuntu web page mockup. Who's the related person of kubuntu's web page? D:
[21:15] <sistpoty> (but I don't dare to upload kdelibs myself though :P)
[21:16] <Nightrose> sheytan: you want ryanakca
[21:16] <sheytan> Nightrose: Ok, thanks :D Wann see it? :D
[21:16] <Nightrose> already seen it on identi.ca ;-)
[21:16] <Nightrose> looks nice
[21:17] <sistpoty> Riddell: the problem seems to be that kubuntu_62_flash_installer.diff adds a new source file, and also a patch to reference the symbols therein
[21:17] <sheytan> Good, thanks  :D
[21:18] <sistpoty> Riddell: however no patch actually updates the Makefile.in's so that the new knsplugininstaller.cpp is actually compiled
[21:34] <ScottK> sistpoty: What's up?
[21:34] <ScottK> sistpoty: Nice.
[21:35] <sistpoty> ;)
[21:35] <ScottK> sistpoty: So drop the patch?  We certainly don't need a KDE3 flash installer anymore.
[21:35] <sistpoty> ScottK: could imo work as well, or just rerun autotools after all patches are applied
[21:36] <DarkwingDuck> Yay! Desktop back online
[21:36] <genii> DarkwingDuck: kdm/hal thing fixed?
[21:36] <sistpoty> ScottK: however dropping the patch entirely might be an abi breakage, in case earlier kdelibs versions did in fact provide the new symbols
[21:36] <DarkwingDuck> I just patched a computer back together
[21:36] <ScottK> Sigh.
[21:37] <DarkwingDuck> genii: Not sure, netbook went out when the kid dumped water on it
[21:37] <sistpoty> (no clue about libkhtml rdepends)
[21:37] <genii> Aaah, OK. <goes back to sudo start kdmhttp://www.cygwin.com/>
[21:37] <genii> Bleh touchpad
[21:38] <sistpoty> ScottK: I believe it should be safe to drop the patch afaik, as it looks that only kdelibs itself refers to the added symbols... however that's an unsafe assumption
[21:39] <ScottK> sistpoty: I suspect that function has been broken for some time (for a variety of reasons), so I think removing it and than dealing with rdepends if they show up is the best answer.
[21:39] <ScottK> Since it's a distro specific patch, in theory no upstream would rely on it.
[21:40] <ScottK> I know none of our distro specific stuff does anymore.
[21:40] <sistpoty> ScottK: whatever you think is best... I lack experience with the kde stack to come to a conclusion
[21:40]  * ScottK will give Riddell a little bit to disgree and if he doesn't, I'll upload it.
[21:41] <sistpoty> (and if it's true that only kdelibs itself refers to the added symbols the abi breakage is imho ok to be done)
[21:41] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm?
[21:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Any reason not to drop the flash installer from kdelibs?
[21:42] <Riddell> kde 3?
[21:42] <ScottK> Yes
[21:42] <Riddell> that can go for sure
[21:42] <ScottK> There we go.
[21:43] <ScottK> sistpoty: Thanks for looking into it.
[21:43] <sistpoty> ScottK: no problem... watch out for dpkg-shlibdeps warnings in the build log though, not that my theory is entirely wrong ;)
[21:43] <ScottK> Will do.
[22:03] <Zorael> Once ready, will RC1 hit the ppas for Karmic? (Just asking so I don't give bad advice out of ignorance.)
[22:03] <Riddell> it'll go in the beta PPA
[22:03] <Zorael> Great, thanks.
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/1743260
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> give hugs to aseigo, he fixed the startup crash
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> oh, we do seem to be adding the systray twice in the default layout patch
[22:12] <ScottK> Probably not good
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> that's probably what was exposing the bug
[22:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what was the fix?
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> kde rev 1071841
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I also discussed using scripted layouts with aseigo, seems that they're totally supported :)
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> well, totally recommended
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> they obviously won't support bad scripts :P
[22:19] <Quintasan> Urgh, I just need to endure this hell in school for next week and I'm free (almost).
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> looks like we can just have a script that adds our extra applets to the layout
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> alpha 3 is next week?
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> s/3/2
[22:23] <ulysses__> 14th january
[22:24] <ulysses__> so next week, yes:P
[22:26] <shtylman> Riddell: if kde doesn't include the new kdm theme with 4.4 should we look into doing so?
[22:26] <Riddell> shtylman: yeah can do, preferably with pinheiro's blessing
[22:27] <shtylman> k... pinheiro does like it btw
[22:27] <Riddell> shtylman: but I think it can still go into KDE, release-team probably don't have an opinion, it's up to the oxygen team
[22:27] <shtylman> he suggested I straighten the K, but I think I can convince him of my ways :)
[22:28] <shtylman> ahh ok... as was explained to me by pinheiro was that because it is feature freeze it can't go in now
[22:28] <shtylman> so I emailed kde-core-devel
[22:28] <Riddell> maybe, I don't remember the rules for art freeze
[22:28] <shtylman> for clarification
[22:28] <shtylman> k
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> ugh, kdebase-workspace isn't finding regular libpolkit-qt
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> even though libpolkit-qt-dev is installed
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> oh, karmic might need the new release come to think of it
[22:30] <Tscheesy> we wanted to release a News about digiKam at -de.org - for how long is digiKam1.0.0 available in Backports now?
[22:30]  * JontheEchidna decides to worry about backports after dinner
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> Tscheesy: about a week
[22:31] <Tscheesy> thx
[23:33]  * shtylman thinks this weekend I will make a screensaver similar to: http://www.ilounge.com/images/uploads/photo-flip-clock-1.jpg
[23:35]  * JontheEchidna notes that there's a plasmoid flip clock in playground
[23:36] <shtylman> oooo
[23:36] <shtylman> did not know that :)
[23:36] <shtylman> makes me happy
[23:36] <shtylman> I will take a look at that
[23:36] <shtylman> it would be a cool screensaver
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> and hey, you can have plasmoids on the screensaver
[23:57] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[23:58] <Riddell> evening _Groo_
[23:58] <_Groo_> Riddell: hey riddell
[23:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: i confirmed that fancy plasmoid is broken with kde 4.4 rc1... well have to wait
[23:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: pitty cause im used to it :P
[23:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: ive seen you guys started uploading rc1 to lucid