[00:00] lol that can't be good [00:00] F*** [00:00] You want it critical, hmmm [00:00] its true [00:00] well, I have hal installed anyway since kubuntu-desktop and lxde depend on it [00:00] $ apt-cache policy hal hal: Installed: 0.5.14-0ubuntu2 [00:00] Can you add that to the bug [00:00] Hey, how stable is lucid so far? [00:00] $ aptitude why hal i xserver-xorg Depends hal (>= 0.5.12~git20090406) [00:01] DrHalan: today UTERLY BROKEN [00:01] DrHalan: seems to depend on whe ther or not you use a keyboard [00:01] kay no update for me :P [00:01] is somebody responsilbe for the openal package here? [00:01] DrHalan: too late [00:01] BUGabundo_, +why not axe in #ubuntu-x? [00:01] its from yesterday afternoon [00:02] there's lots of yammering about input issues in that channel [00:02] BUGabundo_: that's odd though, since Xorg wasn't updated since December 15th (according to aptitude changelog) [00:03] apporting log [00:04] BUGabundo_: mvo uploaded new NV driver versions though [00:05] dont see any NV today [00:05] but my probs start from yesterday upgrade [00:06] hm, well, my Thinkpad still works (rebooted an hour ago) and my eeePC has been running for 2 days now [00:07] Okay, marked triaged and critical. [00:09] apport over SSH sucks :( [00:09] still uploading [00:09] but no progrss indicator [00:10] logs added to the bug [00:10] thanks [00:10] any X hackers awaked at this time? [00:11] i *really* need a workariund [00:11] i bough a new LCD TV and *really* want to test it [00:11] without laptop, i cant reach my movies :( [00:12] $ pastebinit /var/log/apt/history.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/353205/ [00:12] incase its useful to dibug [00:14] $ pastebinit /var/log/aptitude http://paste.ubuntu.com/353208/ [00:15] should i nuke my xorg.conf and try again ?= === dereks_ is now known as dereks [00:18] might be worth a try === agrajag` is now known as agrajag [00:20] charlie-tca: X broken [00:20] wont even start with startx on recovery [00:21] bad to worse [00:21] mine is a virtualbox right now. I just reinstall if needed [00:22] well [00:22] i'm going to bed [00:22] lets hope someone pick this and fix it tomorrow [00:22] in the meantime [00:22] guys take care with gdm logouts or reboots [00:23] I see new libgnome files in latest updates [00:23] Maybe that got involved too? [00:26] charlie-tca: could be, I have an nvidia card too but use KDE and I'm fine [00:27] shut down problem .. goes through what appears normal shutdown process, but then leave me a a dark screen with only a cursor. i can type here, but doesn't seem any shell function. ctrl-alt-del finishes shutdown after flashing briefly "init: alsa-mixer-save main process (19xx) terminated with status 1" the 19xx has been variously 1911, 1921, 1926 .. any ideas what this is or how to fix? i am not a sound user really, normal setup. t [00:27] hx [00:27] I guess mine are older systems. They still use ps2 ports === ryanakca_ is now known as ryanakca [00:50] Hi! [00:50] !hi | Umeaboy [00:50] Umeaboy: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines . Enjoy your stay! [00:51] I need some help. I know that Lucid is unstable, but X crashed when I rebooted after upgrade. [00:51] Shouldn't Lucid have a xorg.conf file in /etc/x11/? [00:53] Umeaboy: lucid (and karmic) don't have a xorg.conf by default [00:53] so you have to create one [00:53] Umeaboy: does it say anything useful in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [00:54] yofel: Look at theese files: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37599888/failsafeX-backup-100108011324.tar === Sarvatt_ is now known as Sarvatt [00:55] This is the content of debug: http://paste.ubuntu.com/353215/ [00:55] This is the content of messages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/353218/ [00:56] Umeaboy: more interesting should be the /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:56] hggdh: Look in the tar-file. [00:58] This is Xorg.0.log if you're lazy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/353225/ [00:58] :) [00:58] Umeaboy: are you using gdm or kdm, K/X/Ubuntu? [00:59] GDM & Ubuntu. [01:01] hum. Even Intel is failing now? [01:02] Umeaboy: I have no idea, but if you are willing you can try to run with just the VESA driver [01:02] Umeaboy: how does it crash? black screen or...? [01:05] yofel: Well, after I've choosen what kernel I want to load/use the preparing stage before gdm login-window appears doesn't happen. [01:06] uhh... the splash is black but gdm appears? or gdm doesn't appear too? [01:10] It doesn't appear. [01:11] I can reboot & copy the error-messages & get back. [01:13] hm, there are 2 bug reports about black screens in lucid with 82835 intel cards [01:14] bug 496551 and bug 499102 [01:14] Launchpad bug 496551 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i845] 2.6.32-7 xorg boots to black screen with i845 graphics" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496551 [01:14] Launchpad bug 499102 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i845g] kernel 2-6-32-9 xorg black screen intel video" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/499102 [01:14] s/82835/82845 [01:15] and I still wonder if VESA will work [01:15] good question, but shouldn't failsave-x (using VESA) come up when gdm fails? [01:16] well, trying it won't hurt [01:18] it should, under low resolution [01:18] but if she he has xspash, I do not know [01:19] Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Now it was okey to load the kernel. [01:19] Maybe it was just temporary. [01:19] I'm in Lucid now. [01:20] No error-message of any kind. [01:23] heh [01:25] ^^ [01:56] Where's the function that gathers information about your system to sen it in? [01:56] send [01:56] ubuntu-bug? [02:01] Umeaboy: System>Admin>System Testing [02:02] I think [02:07] Okey. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [02:11] shut down problem .. goes through what appears normal shutdown process, but then leave me a a dark screen with only a cursor. i can type here, but doesn't seem any shell function. ctrl-alt-del finishes shutdown after flashing briefly "init: alsa-mixer-save main process (19xx) terminated with status 1" the 19xx has been variously 1911, 1921, 1926 .. any ideas what this is or how to fix? i am not a sound user really, normal setup. [02:18] no? no hints? [02:20] anyone here ever use puppet? === Fluffy94 is now known as Awesome3000 === jMyles_ is now known as jMyles [02:25] I made a bug about my issue now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/504548 [02:25] Launchpad bug 504548 in xorg "X crashes after upgrading to Lucid." [Undecided,New] [02:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/504052 [02:54] Launchpad bug 504052 in plymouth "[lucid] No plymouth at boot time and mountall error" [Undecided,New] [03:40] Hi, I installed ubuntu 10.04, but it won't recognize my drivers at all, does anybody know what could be the problem? [03:51] DanaG, i mentioned your full-throttle issue with the radeon driver in -x and alberto says he's going to look at it soon. [03:51] apparently the nouveau driver has the same issue [03:52] http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/pm/ [03:59] There's been some discussion on the mailing lists about PM stuff. [04:09] well, clearly a working foss driver has to manager power conservatively. it cannot constantly be at full throttle [04:15] Hi guys. I'm getting random restarts a few times a day, and I think I may have tracked down a line in the log that might be causing it: [04:15] init: mountall-shell main process (1957) terminated with status 127 [04:15] Does anyone know how I can investigate this further? [04:24] That power devour-ment (not a word) is my big blocker that keeps me needing fglrx. [04:27] alberto says rudimentary pm features do exist in the radeon driver already but may not be properly implemented [04:30] I'm building a kernel with those patches right now. [04:37] a .33 kernel or .32? [04:37] drm-radeon-testing, more specifically. [04:46] Not sure, actually... I'll check again once it's built. [05:30] linux-image-2.6.32_2.6.32-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb -- ah, that's what my kernel is calling itself. === lifedevil_ is now known as LifeDevil [10:42] Okay, nautilus is constantly crashing on me. It's receiving an illegal instruction hit_test_stretch_handle at nautilus-icon-canvas-item.c [10:42] :2663 [12:01] morning === petsounds_ is now known as petsounds === zniavre is now known as perceval === perceval is now known as zniavre [13:41] my umlauts are broken. has anybody similar problems? i can't see them in my terminal and i can't type them [13:41] a few days ago i had errormessages concerning locale-something [13:46] knittl: yes, here also [13:46] but I noticed it with accents (grave, acute, etc) [13:47] ? and umlauts, now ;-) [13:48] hum. Not everywhere. guake, gnome-terminal do not show composites, but Thunderbird does [13:49] firefox also shows them correctly [13:50] but firefox uses a separate compose as far as i know [13:50] but good, i just wanted to have it confirmed. it's good to know i'm not alone :D [13:54] now, to find out if this is already reported... [13:54] just tested with gnome-terminal, it works there also [13:54] *-* [13:55] hggdh: all my locales are set to "C", can you check? [13:56] might be related [13:56] on gnome-terminal, yes. I will force via LC_ALL, and see what happens [13:57] that's weird, there's no en_EN.utf8 ... [13:58] en_GB? [13:58] but why am I being set to C? [14:00] hggdh: thats a bug that was filed yesterday [14:00] it was also set as critical [14:01] * BUGabundo_work mumbles [14:01] BUGabundo_work: can you give me the ticket number? couldn't find it with google [14:01] zero feedback on my back :( i'll spend the entire weekend without access to my laptop :(((( [14:01] s/back/bug/g [14:01] knittl: nope. i'm on webchat. no log [14:01] ok, i see [14:01] i have backlog [14:02] give me some keywords to grep for ;) [14:02] BUGabundo_work: bug #, please [14:02] knittl: locale ? [14:02] bug 504149 [14:02] Launchpad bug 504149 in xorg "[lucid] after update keyboard and mouse do not work in X" [Critical,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504149 [14:03] k, thx [14:03] haven't tested my mouse, my touchpad works fine [14:04] so you have to create oneno, this is not the same. There BUGabundo_work cannot use the kB/touchpad. Here it works, but we are thrown in LC_*=C [14:04] no, its not the same [14:04] i was stating *my* bug [14:05] not yours [14:05] wops, sry [14:05] BUGabundo_work: you can try install nvidia-glx-195 from the vdpau ppa [14:06] and will it help me in any way knittl ? [14:07] you can update your x-server [14:07] hggdh: from the backlog it seems sudo locale-gen helps with our issue [14:07] needs reboot though [14:09] knittl: will test, thanks [14:09] knittl: AFAIS my X11 works! i have all my GUI up [14:09] just no mouse or keyb [14:09] knittl: yes, thats it [14:10] knittl: DONT REBOOT [14:10] or u may get hit by my bug [14:10] howdy folks [14:10] BUGabundo_work: but in your bugreport (or the report related to your problem) it says, xserver is not updated due to conflicts with nvidia-glx-195 [14:10] no locale is better then NO keyb [14:10] lol [14:10] BUGabundo_work: ok, lol [14:10] hggdh: DON'T reboot! [14:10] knittl: yes, i've kept it back, due to conflits [14:10] it wants to remove kernel and nvdiai [14:10] BUGabundo_work: so, install nvidia-glx-195 from vdpau-ppa [14:11] and mess it even more ? eheh [14:11] the -195 version does not conflict with xserver [14:11] i'll try bjsnider ppa latter [14:11] why is it not in the Archive YET [14:11] is what makes me wonder [14:11] jup, vdpau is the one by bjsnider [14:12] i still have odd problems with it, which are easy to workaround [14:12] BUGabundo_work, knittl heh. I *need* to reboot, anyways, to fix another issue [14:12] * work around [14:13] this is going to be fun [14:13] hggdh: then you won't have kbd nor mouse [14:13] although there's an xserver-* update running this very minute here [14:14] yeeeh. Out of the fire, into the frying pan [14:17] if I don't reboot, I have to hibernate (so I can get to my customer). If I hibernate, the restart will barf, and I will need to reboot. [14:17] huh. Never tried suspend [14:17] OK. see you (or not) in the next 30 minutes [14:18] xD [14:18] cu [14:18] brrr windchill at -14C [14:18] quit [14:19] BUGabundo_work: is the keyboard issue related to X only? or won't the keyboard work in the console either? [14:21] ohh he is gone [14:21] and i didnt have a change to say goodbye [14:21] we wont see him so soon :D [14:21] lol xD [14:22] knittl: reconfiguring X11 , failed to start GDM [14:22] but keyb worked in TTY [14:22] so it's no problem for me. i can work in tty too :) [14:22] i cant change to TTYs from GUI, cause keyb doesnt work [14:22] so i cant test [14:22] but recovery mode will work [14:23] reconfiguring x? are you installing nvidia-drivers? or updating xorg? === lifedevil_ is now known as LifeDevil [14:24] neither [14:24] just testing [14:26] ok, ic [15:22] Shall I post a bug or something about my writer not being able to burn with any program in ubuntu 9.10/10.04 [15:23] * om26er- dont think that as a bug [15:24] well, whatever it is, my writer isnt supported at all in ubuntu. [15:24] just wanna know what I can do about it. [15:24] you get any errors? [15:25] http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8161339 [15:25] same trouble, similar writer [15:27] I can read fine. [15:27] Just burning is a no no [15:30] * vish looks at nautilus and *sigh* === zniavre is now known as Perceval [15:35] guess i`ll have to crawl back to win7 for burning :'( [15:38] yesterday i used windows xp and the windows explorer was so fast to open. nautilus takes much of a time to open.. [15:38] because theres a process for it loaded on boot.. and its pretty much part of windows dna [15:39] pcman is fast but lack too much feature [15:39] * om26er- add real fast [15:40] although the development version brings new features [15:40] gnome guys might need to rework on nautilus.. === om26er- is now known as om26er [15:42] starts in a nanosecond on my i7 core 4gig ram laptop [15:42] good for you [15:43] should start in that time on a c2d 1gb [15:43] yup [15:46] crap, still no working umlauts [15:47] and I could not resume from a suspend, and had to reboot. Got in X with no issues [15:48] hggdh: the bug report was/is invalid [15:48] xorg was at least a month old [15:48] i rebooted as well just now [15:48] knittl: at least you can type ae oe ue... I have nothing to replace a grave, acute, etc [15:49] ^a [15:49] `a [15:49] no undead-accent-acute [15:49] 'a maybe :D [15:49] you from france, hggdh? [15:50] (long story, so summarised a lot): no, born in Brasil, from european parents, living in the US [15:50] and to boot I married a german [15:51] that makes a great story to tell your grandchildren ;) [15:51] indeed [15:51] 11:11 < wzssyqa> ripps: no ,first, dpkg-reconfigure locales,then reboot, then sudo locale-gen,then reboot [15:51] hm, i only did locale-gen [15:52] so did I. Will get it this way now, and see if it works [15:52] i'm grepping the log now for all sorts of problems i have :D [15:54] but this does not seem to be correct. ' dpkg-reconf locales' just tries to regen the tables. Since they are all up-to-date, nothing is actually done [15:54] hggdh: i read the manpage. maybe you could try locale-gen --purge [15:54] hggdh: always funny [15:55] already did --purge. But dpkg-reconf does not force --purge [15:55] * hggdh bows to BUGabundo_work [15:55] i'll try with bjsnider PPA [15:55] and see how that goes for me [15:55] should i PURGE hal from my system ? [15:56] I think it is still used somewhere [15:58] yes, lots of rdepends on hal [15:58] BUGabundo_work, you'll do what exactly? [16:00] hggdh, what were your euro parents doing in brazil? [16:00] hggdh, BUGabundo_work according to some blog I have read sometime ago you can safely remove hal at this time [16:01] looks right, purging hal only removes hal* and leaves libcompress-bzip2-perl to be removed on autoremove [16:02] but removing tells me the user haldaemon is still logged in [16:17] hggdh: aptitude why hal showed only ONE [16:17] xorg [16:18] bjsnider: identica ping me your PPA or email it to me, please [16:18] i *MUST* upgrade today [16:19] and have someone back slap alberto [16:19] for his unfinished work [16:20] BUGabundo_work: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa [16:20] no [16:20] where's nvidia-glx-195? [16:21] is xedgers even in working state? [16:21] Sarvatt: ping ^^^^^^ [16:23] knittl, BUGabundo_work i removed the lucid packages from the ppa. they would interfere and break the new driver under development quite severely [16:23] and the new driver package does not conflict with glx-195, so there is no upgrade routine for that [16:23] bjsnider: so what is the recommended way to go for me? [16:23] install 190 again? [16:24] alberto has ppa builds of the new driver package, probably not 100% finished yet [16:24] https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/proprietary-video-improvements [16:25] i don't know how wel they work, but they're definitely close [16:25] there's only -96 and -173 [16:25] i think i'll just wait till they are finished and continue using 195 for no [16:25] * now [16:25] although standby is not working [16:26] knittl, not that this helps, but you *are* using an unstable distro here [16:27] i know [16:27] i'm not complaining [16:27] after all i'm using it to test it [16:28] the nvidia-graphics-rivers package in that ppa does have the 190 driver [16:29] hm ok, i was just wondering, because 173 and 96 are listed [16:29] oh. i understand now :D [16:30] well I'm COMPLAINING [16:30] leaving a system without phisical access to it for two days, is unaceptalbe [16:31] even on a testing release [16:32] BUGabundo_work, alberto is in #ubuntu-x right now if you want to chat with him about it (tseliot) [16:33] ubuntu-x? what's the x for? [16:33] * BUGabundo_work puts angry face on [16:34] btw i would stay away from using the nvidia-installer too [16:34] xis for xorg [16:34] k, thx:) [16:34] nvidia-installer? [16:34] i'm using jockey [16:35] yes in other words, the .run packages from nvidia [16:35] wow [16:35] they will be disabled in lucid and would probably... [16:35] feedback in there is almost as much as in #ubuntu-kernel [16:35] well, i hesistate to continue [16:36] this is going to be entertaining [16:36] lol [16:37] BUGabundo_work, vs. the ubuntu xorg devs [16:37] BUGabundo_work: apt-cache rdepends hal showed some 30 [16:38] ah, it is xfce that still depends heavily on HAL [16:39] s/heavily// [16:39] yes [16:39] i'm on gnome [16:41] although rdepends show a lot of gnome packages, I think it is only recommends [16:46] * BUGabundo_work gets an hammer [16:46] some ppl need it the HARD WAY === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:54] wasn't that the tagline of some wretched movie? [17:00] Hi all. [17:00] I have problem with localepurge. I tried to google for some help, but no avail so far. [17:01] E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/sbin/localepurge ] && [ $(ps w -p $PPID | grep -c remove) != 1 ]; then /usr/sbin/localepurge; else exit 0; fi' [17:03] have you tried running "/usr/sbin/localepurge" from a terminal to see what it complains about? [17:04] `It has no output. So, I can't say whether it works or not. [17:05] I'm not the only one. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8625711 [17:06] vita: what number does 'echo $?' give you on a terminal after running localepurge? [17:07] Ah. So locale exits with error 1 [17:08] does "locale" give you a warning about missing locales? [17:09] nope, I had such problem, but resolved it by "dpkg-reconfigure locale" [17:09] hmm [17:09] /usr/sbin/localepurge --debug also exits with 1 but no error output [17:09] ran as root [17:09] my keyboard layout always changes back to an old version :(--also my alt key seems to hang randomly [17:14] damn. Konversation crashed. Any ideas about localepurge when I was down? [17:21] dpkg-reconfigure localepurge doesn't help [17:25] dose Ubuntu Tweak work with 10.01 [17:27] pasjr: I assume you mean 10.04, and we don't know, as ubuntu-tweak is provided by a third party. [17:28] sorry yes 10.04 finger slip. Ok thanks I tried but keep having issues with graphics just wondered if any one had success yet === Perceval is now known as zniavre === zniavre is now known as perceval === malnilion_ is now known as malnilion [18:51] I'm trying to get #503548 exactly where it belongs, I'm pretty sure its a xorg/nv issue. How do I determine which is the problem === vish is now known as mac_v === mac_v is now known as vish [20:57] hello, I was looking through some documentation for testing Lucid, and I noticed that it seems like you guys still need some testing results on an EeePC 1000 [20:58] I currently use one, and I was wondering how I could help [20:58] (I am currently a member of the Bug Squad) [20:58] WeatherGod: welcome :P [20:58] hi yofel [20:59] Anyway, I got a week before the semester starts back up again, so I can do stuff now without interfering with my schoolwork [21:01] WeatherGod: I'm using Kubuntu lucid on an EeePC 1000H right now [21:02] works fine mostly [21:02] the only annoying thing is that the 2.6.32 kernel breaks the intel graphics driver on suspend [21:02] is UNR being folded into Kubuntu? [21:02] (to RAM) [21:02] I don't see a separate ISO for UNR [21:02] lovely [21:03] the screen flashes from time to time and after a while turns black [21:03] everything else still works, you just don't see anything [21:03] hmm, after fsck... what's the next thing to come in the boot process? [21:04] DanaG: since we now use upstart... no idea [21:04] was wondering the same yesterday [21:04] yofel: ah, so it is still ssh-able and such? [21:04] wah, still no umlauts [21:04] yeah, I gotta read up on upstart [21:04] WeatherGod: yes, you can even close windows with alt+f4 or witch to tty - login - and sudo shutdown [21:05] if you can do it blind ^^ [21:06] well, at least it is just a graphics driver issue, which should be easier to fix than some of the more complicated issues that ususally come from suspend [21:07] anybody know anything about UNR for Lucid? [21:09] WeatherGod: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/ [21:09] evening [21:09] dist-upgrading [21:09] Hello, BUGabundo [21:09] hi BUGabundo [21:09] lets see what i can break or unbreak tonigh [21:09] they killed that bug today [21:09] they did ???? [21:09] yup [21:09] i was speaking to them all afternoon [21:09] and squat [21:09] invalid [21:09] bug id? [21:09] LOLOLOLOL [21:10] nasty nasty charles! [21:10] charlie-tca: thanks [21:10] bug 504149 [21:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/353627/ [21:10] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/504149) [21:10] here goes nothing [21:10] bug 504149 [21:10] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/504149) [21:10] WeatherGod: no problem [21:11] yay, LP broken... [21:11] been bad in all the channels today [21:11] anyway, BUGabundo. that is the one [21:12] Removing all DKMS Modules [21:12] Removing linux-headers-2.6.32-8-generic ... [21:12] Removing nvidia-185-libvdpau ... [21:12] Current status: 1 update [-6]. [21:12] reboot [21:13]