=== eeejay is now known as eeejay_away [07:44] Good morning [08:14] hey pitti [08:14] * kenvandine just released 0.2 of xchat-indicator :) [08:14] time to crash! [08:14] good night all [08:41] yay [08:41] kenvandine: good night! [08:46] morning pitti and mvo [08:53] hey glatzor! good morning! [08:53] hey seb128 [08:54] hey mvo! [08:54] how are you? [08:54] hey glatzor, hey mvo, hey seb128 [08:55] hey pitti [08:55] how are you? [08:55] seb128: tired, but otherwise good [09:08] hey chrisccoulson [09:08] hey seb128, how are you? [09:08] davidbarth, hey, do you know what happened to dxteam weekly tarballs? [09:08] davidbarth, I've seen no upload yesterday [09:09] chrisccoulson, good, thank you, what about you? [09:10] seb128 - yeah, i'm ok thanks. i've just got in to work, i had a few car issues this morning which delayed me [09:10] and my breakfast has just arrived now [09:10] perfect timing :) [09:10] urg [09:10] you have no luck with cars [09:11] or is that still the same one which let you down in december? [09:11] enjoy breakfast [09:11] yeah, mine is a pain in the cold. it's still the same car. there is a relay in the windscreen wiper motor which ices up in the cold, and i have to use a hair-dryer on it to warm it up ;) [09:12] brb, reboot after daily dist-upgrade [09:12] chrisccoulson, urg, you deserve coffee and breakfast now then ;-) [09:32] seb128: not ready yesterday, postponed to today [09:32] hum, ok [09:32] or next week then [09:32] * seb128 doesn't like things landing on friday evening [09:32] when everybody is away for the weekend [09:32] seb128: well, for a2, it's today the latest [09:32] let's see [09:32] seb128: next week is another story, it will be the beginning of a3 [09:33] you will get tarballs today [09:33] we will see when we upload to lucid [09:33] I don't push new versions on friday afternoon usually [09:33] that's a receipt to have a broken distro until after weekend [09:33] seb128: ok, i understand [09:33] seb128: yeah [09:34] seb128: but yesterday we didn't have enough new features for the app indicators, and the community needs that [09:34] seb128: so we're pushing a bit more to get that in a2 proper [09:34] I understand don't worry [09:34] I'm just saying that might land on monday in lucid [09:34] which is fine for alpha2 [09:35] morning everyone [09:42] I'm off for some two hours for an appointment [09:42] pitti, see you later [09:42] huats, hey [09:43] seb128, hello ! [10:20] bah [10:20] indicator-application is too buggy to be used [10:21] davidbarth, is ted working on fix it for alpha2? [10:21] I don't see any commit for 3 weeks [10:21] you can't call set_menu, set_icon, etc several time [10:22] so it's not possible to do any update which sort of limit the use [10:39] seb128: yes, is been working on it the week of christmas and this week of course [10:40] seb128: update, you mean sending a menu update, right? [10:40] yes [10:40] menu or icon [10:41] there is a bug with a testcase for the icon issue [10:41] the api is buggy too [10:41] that's right; bug with test case ok [10:41] i mean, good to have a test case [10:41] it would explain why the rhythmbox icon doesn't change on play or pause [10:42] (though it would be broken if it changed due to the custom theme dir) [10:42] the api is new, but it's similar to the kde one; i don't think it's that buggy, it needs more work, but the number of ported, and so impacted, applications so far is limited [10:43] davidbarth, no sorry, I mean there is a bug in the documentation [10:43] I will do a patch for it now [10:44] davidbarth, it has "These are the states that the indicator can be on in the user's panel. The indicator by default starts in the state APP_INDICATOR_STATUS_OFF and can be shown by setting it to APP_INDICATOR_STATUS_ON." [10:44] seb128: bratsche is looking at the right signal to connect to to get the updates to be propagated [10:44] where it's _ACTIVE and _PASSIVE in the neum [10:44] enum [10:44] and the default state is wrong too [10:45] if you don't call set_status on ACTIVE it's displayed anyway [10:45] hey agateau [10:45] nothing too specific or that can't wait for ted [10:45] I was saying that "These are the states that the indicator can be on in the user's panel. The indicator by default starts in the state APP_INDICATOR_STATUS_OFF and can be shown by setting it to APP_INDICATOR_STATUS_ON." [10:45] is wrong [10:46] the enum has _ACTIVE and _PASSIVE there and no _ON and _OFF as values [10:46] and the default seems to be ACTIVE [10:46] since if you don't cann set_status it does display the indicator anyway [10:46] call [10:46] seems to be consistent with the spec [10:46] seb128: hmm, that must be a mismatch between a spec element and the implementation; thanks for spotting this one [10:46] I will open a bug now [10:47] seb128: call? you mean you're on a call; ping us back then [10:47] davidbarth, no "cann" was a typo for "call" [10:47] sorry ;-) [10:47] cf line before the "call" [10:48] k [10:50] davidbarth, agateau: bug #504700 [10:50] Launchpad bug 504700 in indicator-application "inconsistant status documentation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504700 [10:52] seb128: about the inability to call set_menu or icon multiple times, it's all about supporting updates, right? or did you spot other issues in the code, like statics, or wrong create/destroy cycles? [10:52] davidbarth, updates [10:52] seb128: ok [10:53] davidbarth, agateau: I've added a small testcase to bug #504699 to show the default value issue too [10:53] Launchpad bug 504699 in indicator-application "inconsistant status documentation" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504699 [10:56] bug #504700 rather [10:56] Launchpad bug 504700 in indicator-application "inconsistant status documentation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504700 [10:56] sorry I opened it twice [10:56] closed the dup [11:44] I need to determine if we have 3D acceleration capabilities to install either a 2D or 3D netbook-launcher for UNE on ARM. [11:44] glxinfo | grep 'renderer string' would do it but apparently there is a better way? Anyone know what that is? [11:45] JamieBennett, hi, I don't know but bryyce or mvo might know [11:45] they are probably not around right now, it's lunch time for mvo and early for bryyce [11:46] you can wait there though [11:46] * JamieBennett hangs around [11:49] JamieBennett: hi, in compiz we use http://paste.ubuntu.com/353425/ [11:56] mvo, wb, I guess that s-c crashing on exit is known? [11:56] mvo, it's very noticable now that apport is running again in lucid [11:57] mvo thanks [11:58] seb128: what is the backtrace? [11:58] mvo, a NoSectionError [11:58] let me check again [11:59] mvo, bug #494899 [11:59] Launchpad bug 494899 in software-center "software-center crashed with NoSectionError in set()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494899 [11:59] bug #495698 [11:59] Launchpad bug 495698 in software-center "ConfigParser.NoSectionError error on exit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495698 [11:59] bug #495698 [12:00] seb128: thanks, I fix it today [12:00] mvo, I think those 3 bugs are duplicate and the same issue [12:00] bug #504057 [12:00] Launchpad bug 504057 in software-center "software-center crashed with NoSectionError in set()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504057 [12:01] sorry I had the same number twice before [12:01] np [12:01] mvo, ^ those are the 3 matching [12:01] thanks, milestoned [12:01] thank you === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:01] I get the bug if you need testing [12:01] it happens when closing s-c [12:02] seb128: thanks, I will come back to you about it [12:09] plymouth officially busted? [12:10] asac: ? [12:10] asac, Keybuk should know [12:10] i get reports that we always get error messages at boot about it [12:10] one sec [12:10] 13:10 < JamieBennett> asac: Its mountall: Could not connect to Plymouth [12:10] I haven't had the time to do further work on it but yes, Keybuk should know about that [12:11] asac: maybe because plymouth is not installed? [12:11] good idea ;) [12:11] (not that if installed that would work correctly) [12:13] heh [12:13] takes a bit ;) [12:14] 13:14 < ogra> ii libplymouth2 0.8.0~-6 graphical boot animation and logger - shared [12:15] asac, what about the plymouth binary? [12:15] asac, the lib is probably not enough [12:15] yeah [12:15] seems to be not installed. isnt that in the desktop seed? [12:15] seb128 no binary [12:16] asac, not yet [12:16] * asac has no clue about plymouth ;) [12:16] ah ok [12:16] asac, Keybuk mentioned yesterday to have to do that for next week [12:16] then its expected [12:16] ok. when do you plan to [12:16] before flying on tuesday I think [12:16] I don't plan anything [12:16] Keybuk said it's an alpha2 goal [12:16] so before tuesday I expect [12:17] lunch time there [12:17] bbl [12:17] flying? [12:18] sprint? [12:19] Looks like a glxinfo | grep "direct rendering: Yes" (or glxinfo | grep 'renderer string' differing opinions on which is best) is the way to detect 3D acceleration. Where do I look to integrate this into GDM so the right one (2D/3D) is launched on login? [12:21] thats the brute force approach. too bad i cant remember. i was told that its important to check for a certain extension ;) [12:22] JamieBennett: i would think its in the session script [12:24] asac: I talked to MacSlow and a few guys in #ubuntu-x seems there is no real nice way of detecting it on all platforms [12:24] ok we will see. [12:25] JamieBennett: there is no nice and easy way, but just checking for directrendering will miss use cases like ltsp that works ok with gl over the network iirc [12:25] maybe we should check the UDS session notes again [12:25] maybe i commented i tthere [12:25] mvo: do you know which extension we need to probe for? [12:26] asac: I pasted what we do in compiz [12:26] where? [12:26] basicly we check for software raserization and if that is present we bail out [12:26] in lucid in code [12:26] * asac searches for glasses [12:27] mvo: we want to check for UNE launcher [12:27] in karmic we do it with a script [12:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/353425/ [12:27] might not be the same as compiz [12:27] you also need to be careful because some HW supports acceleration only on the first head [12:27] so e.g. the guest session will be slow if you try 3d on it [12:27] yeah. well. at best we would have a strict check [12:27] its ok for us to bail out [12:27] on arm [12:28] actually we expect that to happen in most cases [12:28] LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT is also something that may be tested (not sure if that is still relevant) - so once with that set and once without [12:29] Amaranth: recently ported all the checks to C, he knows best currently what to check for === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:08] mvo: but is compiz even related to UNE/clutter? [13:09] * asac lunch [13:35] pitti, have you seen the branch for jockey adding appindicator support? [13:35] hey kenvandine [13:36] kenvandine: Conor was talking to me about it, yes [13:36] is that working? [13:36] seb128, yes [13:36] trying to stop displaying the icon there is a fail, weird [13:36] I'm wondering what you do to get that working [13:36] it displays the icon [13:36] well it should stop once the driver is installed [13:36] yeah [13:37] I've not managed to get that working [13:37] humm [13:37] the set_status just does nothing there [13:37] once jockey marks it as seen, it doesn't notify [13:37] I had a go to gnome-bluetooth today [13:37] how to you get the icon to go away from the indicator? [13:37] calling set_status on passive doesn't do anything [13:37] calling set_status on passive doesn't do anything there [13:38] calling set_status on passive doesn't do anything there [13:38] when i tested the appindicator branch it goes away when you click it [13:38] ups wrong screen [13:38] which opens jockey [13:38] the icon goes away [13:39] pitti, did he do a merge proposal yet? [13:39] ok [13:39] I will have a look to the code, thanks [13:39] kenvandine: didn't see one yet (at least I didn't get mail) [13:39] oh, he added a patch to the bug instead of doing a merge proposal [13:40] he says it has my changes included, but LP isn't responding... [13:41] pitti, bug 497879 [13:41] Launchpad bug 497879 in jockey "Support Application Indicators" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497879 [13:43] pitti, does jockey exit if there is nothing to do? [13:43] tedg, good morning [13:43] Good morning seb128 [13:43] seb128: on --check? yes [13:44] pitti, ok, so that's why no icon is displayed, you don't hide it but just exit? [13:44] * tedg assumes it's good, he hasn't opened his e-mail yet :) [13:45] seb128: exactly; why should I leave the process running? [13:46] pitti, no reason, I was wondering why masking the icon worked in the jockey case and not there [13:46] tedg, I sent you a small patch in a bug I opened [13:46] tedg, should $ python -c 'import gobject, gtk, appindicator; ind = appindicator.Indicator ("example-simple-client", "indicator-messages", appindicator.CATEGORY_APPLICATION_STATUS); ind.set_status (appindicator.STATUS_PASSIVE); ind.set_menu(gtk.Menu()); gtk.main()' work [13:46] tedg, ie should that display no icon? or did I not understand the status thing? [13:47] seb128: It should, but that branch is not merged yet. It's getting into some sort of infinite signal loop :( I hope to have it merged today. [13:47] ok [13:48] tedg, otherwise lp #504700 [13:48] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/504700) [13:48] bah launchpad today [13:48] kenvandine, it works for jockey because it exit when there is nothing to do [13:48] yeah [13:48] kenvandine, so it doesn't actually have to hide the icon [13:50] Anyone around knows how netbook-launcher is selected in UNE? Does it use gnome-session or some other mechanism? [13:50] seb128: could you quickly check if software-center gives you a debian placeholder thumbnail for missing images? or a (correct) ubuntu one? [13:51] (or someone else :) ? [13:51] mvo, trying [13:51] btw, gio == love [13:52] seb128: Cool, yes I had originally wanted the status to be more informative, but I stuck with making it match the spec. [13:52] mvo, debian in current lucid [13:53] seb128: thanks, I just wanted to be sure its not me (or my squid) [13:53] mvo, you're welcome [14:18] tedg, in the indicator design, should toggle visibility icons work that way or have a menu with one show or hide entry? [14:18] tedg, in the indicator design, should toggle visibility icons work that way or have a menu with one show or hide entry displayed? [14:19] seb128: Menu item [14:19] ok thanks [14:19] well that's blocked on set_status to do something [14:19] ie having a way to stop showing the icon [14:20] but I will look at doing the nautilus change [14:20] it's only one icon for the copies there [14:21] * seb128 waves to launchpad, hello? [14:21] tedg, btw do you want me to turn my typo fix in a proper merge request? [14:22] seb128: You can, but I already merged it in :) [14:22] ok, I will not bother then [14:22] is there any way to do that from the command line? [14:22] or is that a launchpad ui thing? [14:22] There is, but I've not gotten it to work. [14:22] * seb128 is launchpad bzr newbie [14:22] You have to send a bundle via the e-mail interface. [14:23] ok [14:23] seems the ui thing is easier ;-) [14:23] tedg, i never got that stuff working either [14:23] statik tried coaching me, but it was complicated [14:23] kenvandine, xchat-indicator, please use a 0ubuntu1 version [14:23] i think once you get all that stuff setup it could be quite convienent [14:23] for ubuntu i will [14:23] I think that the there is probably an issue with using the GUI mail tools like Evo that makes it complicated. I think it's simple if you have a local mail server configured. [14:27] tedg, kenvandine: hey [14:29] tedg, will checkboxes in the indicator menu work soon too? [14:32] seb128: Yes. Today. [14:32] excellent [14:33] the "hey" was to test kenvandine's xchat-gnome indicator thing [14:33] seems to work fine [14:33] xchat-gnome still claims for attention though [14:33] ie the taskbar entry does its effect thingy [14:34] "bzr send lp: --mail-to merge@launchpad.net" IIRC [14:34] hehe [14:34] seb128, himm... to you think i should change that? [14:34] i can [14:35] now that i figured out i can get a pointer to the window in the plugin [14:35] pitti, about jockey... do you want me to just distro patch that for now? [14:36] kenvandine: fine for me [14:36] ok [14:36] thx [14:41] james_w, nice [14:41] slomo, hey [14:42] kenvandine, no strong opinion but I though the point of queuing things was to avoid active annoyance like the blincking [14:42] empathy still does that [14:42] and i think pidgin does too [14:42] ie the taskbar flashed I don't really need the indicator icon change [14:43] hum [14:43] pitti, can you jabber ping me now? [14:43] just to test something [14:43] seb128: done [14:43] kenvandine, no empathy doesn't [14:43] humm [14:44] I got the notify bubble and that's all [14:44] did you have the chat window open? [14:44] mine just did it [14:44] no dialog opening nor blinking [14:44] no [14:44] leave the chat window open [14:44] it will [14:44] just not focused [14:44] ok [14:44] I tend to close my im dialgos [14:44] dialogs [14:44] using pidgin they just auto-open [14:44] seb128: hi :) [14:44] i think the difference is xchat you never close [14:44] and empathy they just queue [14:45] well I fail to see the point of the indicator [14:45] if you have a task blinking to indicate that anyway [14:45] queue of things that need your attention [14:45] i am all for not blinking the taskbar [14:45] well the tasklist queue them too [14:45] i just hadn't considered it [14:45] ok [14:45] in any case packaging looks good [14:45] and it worked directly [14:45] cool :) [14:46] I didn't need to restart xchat-gnome [14:46] is there any way to active it when installed? [14:46] without having to do that manually [14:46] if you install it that's probably to use it [14:46] or is that some sort of gconf list you would need to edit? [14:47] i think gconf [14:47] ok, that sucks [14:47] anyway it's a good start [14:47] so we would need to change that in xchat-gnome and make it depend/recommends etc [14:47] let me know when you want sponsoring [14:47] ok [14:47] I would be in favor of no blinking too [14:47] if you want to fix that [14:48] I think that's the main interest of the indicator [14:48] to avoid having things stressing you [14:48] they just go there [14:49] yeah [14:54] wow, my DSL connection is no faster than dial-up this afternoon! [14:55] mpt: hi...around? [14:55] hi vish [14:55] mpt: Bug 194472 is awaiting your higher intervention ;) [14:55] chrisccoulson, very fast dial-up or very slow dsl? ;-) [14:55] Launchpad bug 194472 in hundredpapercuts "Entering password in Terminal gives no visual feedback" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194472 [14:56] mpt: i asked matthiaz he mentioned he wasnt very sure of what you suggested [14:57] mpt: he said your comments on the bug were a bit unclear ... he wasnt sure if the need to change the default behavior in sudo or to change the behavior in the other apps [14:58] seb128 - i'm getting about 40kbps at the moment ;) [14:59] seb128: do you happen to know when the next gst release will be? (for bug 460535) [14:59] Launchpad bug 460535 in gst-plugins-base0.10 "Unable to play any but the first track of CD" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460535 [15:00] pitti, no [15:00] slomo, ^ === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew [15:01] bryyce: WDYT about the patch for bug 494627? it sounds important to get into a2 [15:01] Launchpad bug 494627 in xorg-server "nv driver crashing with segmentation fault in libpthread.so.0" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494627 [15:03] pitti, it has been uploaded [15:03] xorg-server (2:1.7.3.902-1ubuntu1) lucid; urgency=low [15:03] [ Michael Vogt ] [15:03] * Add 101_nv-crash-fix.diff: Do not crash if gamma_set is NULL. [15:03] (LP: #494627) [15:03] pitti, no? === eeejay_away is now known as eeejay [15:07] seb128: hm, the bug is still open [15:07] ah, someone reopened it apparently? [15:08] I didn't look at the bug [15:08] pitti, seb128: are there branches for karmic packages? [15:08] just lucid-changes [15:08] seb128: pre-releases should be there in a few days iirc [15:08] pitti, ^ [15:08] yay [15:08] slomo, thanks [15:08] that is, I'm going to submit a lucid package, but I'm wondering what to do if I later have a karmic change, since trunk would be lucid [15:08] rodrigo__: not for ~ubuntu-desktop, just the auto-imports; feel free to create a branch if you need one, though [15:08] pitti: not for now, just want to submit a lucid package [15:09] so I'll create one if I need to [15:11] pitti: right, closed again [15:11] tjaalton: heh, me too [15:14] ok [15:15] I'm away for some erands [15:15] bbl [15:16] kenvandine, let me know if you need any sponsoring or anything [15:16] I will read backlog later [15:16] bbl [15:17] ok, i need to run out in a few too [15:17] driving my daughter to school... they delayed school 2 hours because of snow... which never happened [15:18] I did a dist-upgrade yesterday, and my window manager is hilariously messed up [15:19] * rickspencer3_ switches to compiz [15:20] much better [15:20] compiz ftw ;) [15:27] davidbarth, kenvandine: would you mind updating the DX integration status on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus ? [15:28] * kenvandine runs out for a few... back in about 30m [15:31] pitti, I guess that's a "no" from kenvandine [15:31] ;) [15:31] heh [15:31] well, that all depends on how long you want to wait ;) [15:31] seb128: do you happen to know what happened DX integration-wise this week? [15:31] Hobbsee: 29 minutes :) [15:32] pitti: then he'll have 2 mins to do it :P === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|errand [15:32] vish, done [15:32]