[00:14] <sparrL> would anyone care to hazard a guess why my tty2 is currently in some video mode that my monitor doesn't support (which I believe to be X running in 2048x1600), instead of tty7 as usual?
[00:14] <acicula> spawned another x?
[00:16] <sparrL> a second X should be on tty8 usually
[00:16] <acicula> yeah
[00:16] <acicula> program doing stuff with a framebuffer ?
[00:16] <acicula> idunno
[00:27] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but it does seem like lucid does that off and on
[01:01] <sparr> anyone know what is changing with the new versions of xorg that are going in?
[01:02] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/
[01:02] <DanaG> hmm, my bootcharts are there.
[01:03] <DanaG> 45 seconds.
[01:03] <DanaG> er, more like 60.
[01:19] <Bookman> I am trying to do a partial upgrade and it seems to tell me that there is a problem with virtual-ose.  I should remove the program.  Is this a known problem?
[01:20] <acicula> probably just needs to be updated
[01:20] <Bookman> I tried that and it says that it is broken.
[01:20] <acicula> i ment the package itself
[01:21] <acicula> just leave it i suppose?
[01:24] <Bookman> Nope, only solution is to remove virtual box altogether.
[01:24] <acicula> trying to upgrade from karmic?
[01:25] <acicula> well you could remove it and try forcing the installation of the broken package and see if it works i guess?
[01:25] <Bookman> Nope, just update.  I removed virtualbox and all is well.
[01:25] <acicula> yeah..
[01:25] <Bookman> Hey, it's a Beta
[01:26] <Bookman> Alpha?
[01:30] <acicula> alpha
[01:33]  * sparr patiently waits for a new nvidia driver
[01:33] <Bookman> Yup, updated just fine now.  Now issues.
[01:35] <Sarvatt> just a heads up not to update right now until you get mesa with the updates :D
[01:36] <Bookman> How do I turn off join/part messages in XChat permanently?
[01:37] <Sarvatt> big change moving libGL to alternatives to accomidate nvidia and the required mesa update isn't published yet so things are broken
[01:37] <sparr> lol @ "things are broken"
[01:37] <acicula> Bookman: /ignore #channel QUITS, JOINS etc
[01:37] <acicula> maybe without the ,
[01:39] <Bookman> Nope
[01:39] <Bookman> I'm sure that there is just a one line global command.
[01:39] <acicula> probably
[01:47] <sparr> what is the syntax to install a particular version of a package via apt-get?
[01:47] <sparr> I'm going to try downgrading X
[01:51] <pasjr> help: Stuck in low graphics mode after last update
[01:54] <sparr> pasjr: better than stuck in no graphics mode :(  some of us have no X at all today
[01:54] <pasjr> great, so I have to do a reinstall then
[01:54] <yofel> sparr: apt-get install <packagename>=<version>
[01:54] <sparr> yofel: thanks
[01:55] <yofel> sparr: or <packagename>/<release>
[01:55] <pasjr> do I have to reinstall to fix?
[01:55] <sparr> probably not, patience could help
[01:55] <sparr> reinstalling might be faster
[01:55] <yofel> pasjr: it would help to know your graphics card
[01:57] <pasjr> I would psot it but I just lost all; graphics trying a sudo -s lshw
[01:57] <pasjr> I can not see anything
[01:57] <pasjr> trying to reboot
[01:58] <yofel> all I'm interested in is the output of 'lspci | grep VGA'
[01:59] <sparr> yofel: <release> can be "karmic"?
[02:00] <yofel> sparr: yes
[02:00] <sparr> this is almost certainly not going to work, but better than trying nothing
[02:00] <yofel> sparr: what exactly are you trying to do anyway?
[02:01] <sparr> get X working
[02:01] <sparr> by whatever method works
[02:02] <sparr> right now I am trying to downgrade X back to karmic
[02:02] <yofel> ahh...
[02:02] <sparr> always makes things harder that ubuntu only keeps one version of each package in each release
[02:04] <pasjr> I can not get my graphics info tried twice and lost all graphics
[02:04] <pasjr> I fear I need to roll back to 9.04
[02:04] <yofel> pasjr: and does 'lspci | grep VGA' work? (no sudo)
[02:04] <pasjr> no term I lose my graphics just opening it
[02:04] <yofel> no tty?
[02:05] <pasjr> nothing
[02:05] <yofel> hm...
[02:05] <pasjr> has this been a big issue today?
[02:06] <pasjr> I am not sure where to look to fix or find the problem to file a bug
[02:07] <pasjr> pasjr@PASJR-TOSHIBA:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[02:07] <pasjr> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]
[02:07] <pasjr> pasjr@PASJR-TOSHIBA:~$
[02:07] <yofel> well, with many new X related package coming in today it's not surprizing that something broke
[02:07] <pasjr> just got my info
[02:07] <yofel> oh, I don't know anything about ATI to be honest
[02:07] <yofel> iirc DanaG has one
[02:08] <RAOF> And it seems that we're playing “make binary drivers not break mesa", too.  That's going to be fun.
[02:08] <pasjr> I know that both 9.10 and now 10.04 I can not use my ATI drivers in Ubuntu
[02:08] <yofel> RAOF: oh oh...
[02:08] <pasjr> is it the linux kernel or ubuntu?
[02:09] <yofel> pasjr: as I said, no idea, but do you mean the open source driver or fglrx?
[02:09] <pasjr> fglrx
[02:10] <yofel> DanaG: ping, awake?
[02:11] <pasjr> i am going to try and uninstall fglrx, it shows up as installed and see what happens
[02:13] <sparrL> oh yeah
[02:13] <yofel> pasjr: try renaming your xorg.conf so that X runs on auto-configuration
[02:13] <sparrL> on the long list of things broken with a recent update...
[02:13] <sparrL> when booting fails and I get dropped to a root console
[02:13] <sparrL> I ALSO have a login console
[02:14] <sparrL> both on tty1
[02:14] <sparrL> competing for input
[02:14] <sparrL> and mixing output
[02:14] <pasjr> I will try that
[02:14] <yofel> sparrL: I actually got that too yesterday after a  NFS mount failed on boot
[02:15] <yofel> tty1 == unusable
[02:15] <DanaG> oh
[02:15] <DanaG> I'm back now.
[02:15] <DanaG> fglrx is a no-go with the Lucid X server.
[02:15] <DanaG> RS780 can't use fglrx anywhere, though.
[02:15] <pasjr> no but it installed upon last update
[02:19] <pasjr> just reporting what my computer tells me trying to reboot after a few changes
[02:23] <DanaG> hmm, for rs780, you should just plain remove fglrx.
[02:23] <DanaG> har: "Stale NFS File Handle" on ext2 sd-card.
[02:23] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/391094
[02:23] <DanaG> Badly-woreded message.
[02:23] <DanaG> worded.
[02:24] <acicula> UIzasking4CheezeburgerThatHaslongSinceBinetun
[02:24] <acicula> there
[02:46] <pasjr> I have had no luck, I am going to try a install of the daily build to see if it dose the same
[03:07] <sparrL> farewell ubuntu
[03:16] <pasjr> I wonder if Ubuntu will make Alpha 2 on time?
[03:16] <DanaG> note to self: don't untar ARM binaries in home dir bin.
[03:16] <DanaG> =þ
[03:18] <RAOF> DanaG: If we'd implemented multiarch right, that would have Just Worked™ :)
[03:18] <RAOF> With a little judicious qemu.
[03:18] <DanaG> well, I would've liked it to have said "hey, that didn't work; let's try the next one."
[03:19] <RAOF> You probably don't actually want that behaviour :)
[03:43] <HFSPLUS> !ops
[03:43] <DanaG> uh... don't abuse that command.
[03:44] <HFSPLUS> !ops
[03:44] <HulkHogan> !ops
[03:44] <HulkHogan> you cant ban
[03:44] <HulkHogan> me
[03:44] <Hobbsee> sure?
[03:44] <HulkHogan> or i do the hogan legdrop to ubuntu
[03:45] <HulkHogan> !ops
[03:45] <HulkHogan> seems !ops summons all u ops
[03:45] <IdleOne> HulkHogan: you are going to get yourself banned
[03:45] <HulkHogan> i dont care....
[03:45] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: klined, more likely
[03:46] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: :)
[03:46] <HulkHogan> again i dont care if i am klined
[03:46] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: it's what he's always aiming for.  seems he's just a very bored kid
[03:46] <HulkHogan> till i start college
[03:46] <IdleOne> I feel sorry for him then
[03:46] <HulkHogan> morphin time
[03:46] <HulkHogan> Gold Ranger power
[03:46] <IdleOne> seems that wasted energy could be put to better use
[03:46] <RAOF> HulkHogan: Learn to code.  It's fun!
[03:46] <HulkHogan> tried
[03:46] <HulkHogan> i use ps3
[03:47] <HulkHogan> and watch TNA
[03:47] <IdleOne> you know HulkHogan is like 60+ years old right
[03:47] <HulkHogan> no in his 50s
[03:47] <IdleOne> I mean he was old when I was a kid
[03:47] <HulkHogan> !ops
[03:47] <HulkHogan> yeah
[03:48] <HFSPLUS> !ops
[03:48] <IdleOne> you aren't to bright I see
[03:48] <HulkHogan> nope
[03:48] <HulkHogan> !ops
[03:48] <IdleOne> the ops get notified even when they aren't in the channel
[03:48] <HulkHogan> I know
[03:49] <HulkHogan> I expect to be klined in 5 mins
[03:49] <IdleOne> lol
[03:51] <IdleOne> elky: you have an o-line?
[04:37] <groo_> night all\
[04:47] <DanaG> what's the difference between ban and "kline"?
[04:49] <JontheEchidna> kline kills/kickbans your connection to the irc server itself, rather than a single channel
[04:49] <DanaG> ah.
[05:59] <_Cynthia> I have a bug on the Alpha1 LiveCD and wish to know if anyone else has it. Basically, you open an application (any application) and you go to File/Open. You click once on a file, then double-click the same file. It doesn't open. You must triple-click it.
[05:59] <_Cynthia> or double-click it five times or so
[05:59] <_Cynthia> I'm using the Lucid amd64 standard CD.
[06:02] <_Cynthia> gnome
[06:21] <alex_mayorga> any experts on nvidia breakage?
[06:47] <ssv1994> hi
[06:47] <ssv1994> how the new gnome look like?
[06:47] <ssv1994> will look like
[08:16] <alkisg> Hi, I heard here yesterday that the proprietary nvidia drivers would be working today... I see 185 in jockey, should I go ahead and install it? I have 8600M GT.
[09:58] <knittl> good morning
[09:58] <knittl> i think i found a part of the solution to umlauts not working
[09:59] <knittl> i have GTK_IM_MODULE set to xim
[09:59] <knittl> if i unset it and then start gedit, umlauts work again in that application
[11:40] <foolip> I broke X with a recent update (lucid), can anyone tell me how to list recently updated packages to nail it down? (Google fails me)
[11:53] <jpds> foolip: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue
[12:03] <Confusion> Hi, I just posted the following to ubuntu-help, but afterwards I noted this channel, which seems perhaps more appropriate
[12:03] <Confusion> I hope someone knows how to fix the following problem: yesterday I upgraded my Lucid install and this morning it wouldn't start gdm. From the logs, the problem seems to be hald, which indeed isn't running. There isn't any init.d script starting hald, so I guess that is the ultimate cause. Now I can start hald by hand, but if I do that and start gdm, it doesn't respond to any keyboard/mouse
[12:03] <foolip> jpds: thanks, found a suspicous libdrm update
[12:03] <Confusion> ovements. I've tried restarting udev and dbus after starting hald (and in some other orders), but keyboard and mouse stay 'dead'
[12:03] <Confusion> I guess the problem may be that the hald should be started with proper parameters, but I'm not really sure which ones they are. Does anyone have a clue for me?
[12:06] <knittl> i think hald isn't used anymore in lucid
[12:12] <Confusion> Well, gdm is certainly complaining about its absense
[12:12] <Confusion> What has hald been replaced by?
[12:13] <knittl> dunno …
[12:23] <Bacta> I was wondering, is the plan to include Gnome 3 in Ubuntu 10.04?
[12:23] <artir> nope
[12:23] <artir> it's suposed to be a LTS
[12:23] <Bacta> So stable over bleeding edge?
[12:24] <acicula> yeh
[12:24] <Bacta> Sounds like a good plan, I haven't heard much about Gnome 3.0 but from what I have heard they might have similar issues that KDE had with version 4 (was it 4?)
[12:25] <artir> altough that won't stop the Teams Of Awesome(OLS,DX,Design) from putting their goodies in
[12:38] <joaopinto> hum, we still have the locales bug
[12:38] <ikonia> yes
[12:39] <knittl> joaopinto: do you have GTK_IM_MODULE set?
[12:39] <joaopinto> knittl, no, was I supposed to  :) ?
[12:39] <knittl> no, but it helped me today
[12:39] <joaopinto> i just noted now that my locale is set to "C"
[12:39] <knittl> i use a different keyboard layout with it's own compose table
[12:40] <knittl> so i had set it to xim
[12:40] <joaopinto> erm wait
[12:40] <knittl> if i unset it, umlauts worked again
[12:40] <joaopinto> can someone else pastebin /etc/environment ?
[12:40] <knittl> but i can't start gdm right now, due to grapics driver/X/gdm bugs
[12:40] <joaopinto> it seems sun's jre overwite mine, which had the language setting
[12:41] <joaopinto> /etc/environment, anyone :)
[12:42] <knittl> here: http://paste2.org/p/601174
[12:43] <joaopinto> hum, your system is set to english right ?
[12:43] <knittl> yes
[12:44] <knittl> joaopinto: can you please try: echo $GTK_IM_MODULE
[12:44] <joaopinto> knittl, It is not set, I did an echo | grep GTK
[12:45] <knittl> echo what?
[12:45] <knittl> hm, strange. but you don't have umlauts either?
[12:45] <joaopinto> I don't have them either, but I have another problem, my locale was set to C
[12:45] <knittl> mine too
[12:46] <joaopinto> so the problem is there, GTK_IM_MODULE is irrelevant :P
[12:46] <knittl> without gdm they seem to be en_US.UTF-8
[12:46] <joaopinto> I am running from gdm
[12:46] <joaopinto> oh you mean gdm is setting it to C
[12:46] <knittl> well, unsetting GTK_IM_MODULE and starting gedit brought my umlauts back for gedit
[12:46] <knittl> yes, gdm seems to interfere
[12:47] <joaopinto> I have umlauuts on gdm
[12:47] <joaopinto> ops
[12:47] <joaopinto> on gedit
[12:47] <joaopinto> just not on the terminal
[12:47] <knittl> gnome-terminal?
[12:47] <joaopinto> terminator
[12:47] <knittl> o
[12:47] <joaopinto> sorry, brb
[12:47] <knittl> * ok
[12:59] <Bacta> Lucid Lynx heh
[13:10] <Confusion> OK, status seems to be: gdm requires hal to provide core input devices, but since hal 0.5.14-0ubuntu2 (which I installed yesterday), hal isn't started at boot time anymore, although it should still be made available via dbus (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/hal/+changelog) However, this doesn't seem to work for me
[13:11] <yofel> Bacta: yep, KDE 4.0 was more a tech-preview than a usable desktop environment, Lucid will have 4.4 which is pretty nice so far
[13:12] <yofel> Confusion: what happens when you run 'sudo start gdm' ?
[13:12] <Confusion> yofel: gdm starts, but it isn't responding to keyboard and mouse, requiring a hard reboot
[13:12] <Bacta> It was unuseable on my machine ;)
[13:13] <Confusion> Interestingly enough, gdm doesn't start on boot: it drops to a console
[13:13] <yofel> Confusion: ah yes, someone else mentioned the same yesterday
[13:14] <Confusion> yofel: Did he manage to solve it?
[13:14] <penguin42> sounds like broken X server
[13:14] <knittl> bugabandoo had the same problem
[13:14] <Confusion> (perhaps simply by downgrading to the previous hal package?)
[13:14] <yofel> knittl: thx :)
[13:15] <knittl> but iirc he had an xserver package which he hadn't updated in weeks
[13:15] <penguin42> knittl: What about the kernel or one of the xserver-xorg-whatever packages?
[13:15] <knittl> penguin42: dunno, i have different problems
[13:15] <Confusion> knittl: Hmmm, now that you, I have some xserver-xorg package on Hold, because I couldn't upgrade them, as it would create a broken situation
[13:16] <Confusion> *now that you say that, I remember*
[13:16] <knittl> gdm starts from console, but i often get "low graphics mode" messages on boot
[13:16] <knittl> and i removed hal yesterday
[13:16] <knittl> my system is still booting fine (a laptop with no external kbd or mouse though)
[13:16] <yofel> well, I can't test it right now, since I have a dependency mess right now with the KDE 4.4 RC1 coming
[13:17] <yofel> and any update will break my system
[13:17] <knittl> Confusion: yes, having xserver packages on hold might be a reason it's not working
[13:17] <knittl> i'm still waiting for working nv{,idia,ouveau} drivers here :)
[13:17] <Confusion> Hmmm, unfortunately I also can't get the network running from the console; so I'll have to move the packages there by flash or something
[13:18] <knittl> wops, * n{ouveau,v{,idia}} :D
[13:18] <Confusion> (I took the config from my Debian laptop, but that doesn't quite work)
[13:18] <knittl> Confusion: wireless network?
[13:18] <Confusion> Yeah
[13:18] <knittl> no wired network at hand …?
[13:19] <Confusion> knittl: I guess that's what it's going to have to be, but between finding a cable that's long enough and laying the cable so I don't trip over it, moving the package via flash drive may be faster :P
[13:20] <knittl> lolz
[13:25] <yofel> *sigh*
[13:26] <yofel> the new nvidia drivers are built since a few hours ago but the binary packages are in wait-approval state -.-
[13:26]  * knittl is waiting for them :D
[13:26] <knittl> one could even say craving
[13:26] <yofel> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/190.53-0ubuntu1/+build/1437087
[13:26] <knittl> yofel: can you give me a quick guide on how to install them correctly?
[13:26] <yofel> the amd64 build
[13:27] <knittl> are the i386 finished already? i don't want to fire up elinks for this *grin*
[13:27] <yofel> knittl: if I understood bjsnider correctly yesterday, purge any drivers you have right now and install 'nvidia-current'
[13:27] <knittl> ok, this is still the recommended way? just wanted to make sure
[13:27] <knittl> what about installation with jockey?
[13:28] <yofel> knittl: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/190.53-0ubuntu1/+build/1437088 i386
[13:28] <yofel> they're built, but not yet approved for release in the archive...
[13:28] <knittl> ok
[13:29] <yofel> knittl: well, can't say, I haven't used jockey for at least a year now ^^
[13:29] <knittl> ok, so it's okay to not use it :D
[13:29] <yofel> knittl: well I hope so, though they should show up in jockey without problems
[13:30] <yofel> but if you have any ppa packages installed right now you need to purge those first
[13:30] <knittl> well, they didn't today. but that's possible related to me purging everything with nvidia in its name
[13:31] <yofel> knittl: you need to have nvidia-common installed (and modaliases afaik), but it hasn't yet shown up since the binaries aren't approved yet, so we'll have to wait
[13:32] <knittl> okay okay
[13:32] <yofel> but with the new package even that might have changed
[13:33] <knittl> better wait now than be sorry later …
[13:46] <Confusion> Right, I managed to upgrade all Xorg packages, and keyboard and mouse work again.
[13:46] <Confusion> \o/
[13:46] <Confusion> Unfortunately, they don't mingle well with the nvidia driver :/
[13:47] <Confusion> but I expected that from the conversation above :P
[13:47] <yofel> Confusion: yes, the nvidia driver is broken right now, please wait for a few hours ;)
[13:47] <knittl> Confusion: welcome to the club ;)
[13:47] <yofel> hehe
[13:49] <Confusion> I have to do some chores anyway :)
[14:40] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:11] <yofel> ok, got impatient and built the driver package myself
[15:13] <yofel> it seems now you need nvidia-current for the driver and I guess nvidia-current-modaliases for jockey
[15:14] <yofel> the nvidia-185-kernel-source nvidia-glx-185 and nvidia-glx-185-dev package  are transitional and can be removed after the update
[15:20] <bjsnider> yofel, that is correct
[15:20] <yofel> bjsnider: well, the driver seems to work fine, so all is well :)
[15:21] <bjsnider> cool
[15:23] <Sarvatt> except for the fact nothing can build if it needs to link against libgl now :D
[15:23] <pasjr> has 10.04 regained graphics today?
[15:27] <knittl> pasjr: not yet, but the drivers are waiting for approvement
[15:28] <yofel> pasjr: weren't you using ATI?
[15:28] <pasjr> yes
[15:29] <yofel> pasjr: didn't removing fglrx help?
[15:29] <pasjr> no it did nothing
[15:29] <yofel> hm
[15:29] <pasjr> I tried everything, so I just fell back to 9.10
[15:29] <pasjr> but I really do not like it
[15:30] <yofel> huh? what's so bad about it?
[15:30] <pasjr> its slow
[15:30] <yofel> ^^
[15:31] <pasjr> with about 25min of work I can make 9.04 lighting fast, 10.04 comes that way.  But 9.10 is just heavy and have yet to find how to tweak it right
[15:31] <vish> pasjr: when was the last time you tried Lucid? I'm also using ATI , seems a bit better with kernel 32.9
[15:31] <pasjr> Guess I will wait till the 17th for the release of Alpha 2 and see how that is
[15:32] <pasjr> last night I was useing lucid
[15:32] <vish> heh ;p
[15:32] <pasjr> lost all graphics with last update
[15:32] <pasjr> so I rolled back
[15:32] <Sarvatt> xserver-xorg-video-ati needs an update to work with the new libdrm, its getting worked on
[15:33] <pasjr> vish: have you done all updates?
[15:33] <vish> pasjr: yup
[15:33] <pasjr> you never lost or encounterd graphic issuse
[15:34] <vish> nope... i only have slow graphics... esp when i use the Burn animation... so stopped using that ^.^
[15:34] <vish> pasjr: which update was that ?
[15:35] <pasjr> I had all up to 18:00 EST yesterday
[15:35] <Sarvatt> libdrm 2.4.17 broke the open source ati driver
[15:35] <pasjr> I am not sure excatly which one broke my system,
[15:36] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/505095
[15:37] <pasjr> I have done three installs since trying to narrow down what went wrong, but never could find where
[15:37] <pasjr> I gave up around 03:30 EST
[15:37] <vish> Sarvatt i notice libdrm2 , libdrm2-intel1 , libdrm2-radeon1 updates... so should i postpone them?
[15:37] <Sarvatt> yeah dont update until you see xserver-xorg-video-ati offered as well
[15:37] <vish> ah.. thanks :)
[15:37] <pasjr> I would, untill someone can find the one that breaks
[15:38] <Sarvatt> I just said twice what broke it :D
[15:38] <pasjr> ok sorry to much I am working on at once
[15:39] <Sarvatt> you can use xorg-edgers which has the updated ati and use ppa-purge after it gets fixed in the archive to go back to stock lucid if its already broken
[15:39] <Sarvatt> theres other major breakage, it may be a bit until its updated
[15:40] <penguin42> edgers is good
[15:40] <vish> Sarvatt: mesa updates are good?
[15:40] <pasjr> ok thank you I may try that now
[15:40] <vish> libgl1-mesa-*
[15:41] <Sarvatt> nothing can build against libgl right now because of the changes to accomidate the nvidia binary driver and its breaking a ton of updates that are waiting to build
[15:41] <Sarvatt> vish: if you have a working system right now I wouldnt update for a few days to be honest
[15:41] <pasjr> in your opinon will Ubuntu meet its Alpha 2 dealine?
[15:41] <vish> oh... thanks for the heads up :)
[15:43] <knittl> pasjr: i think the deadline was yesterday ;)
[15:43] <vish> pasjr: huh? alphas will be released as schedule
[15:43] <Sarvatt> should be tuesday for alpha 2
[15:43] <knittl> at least in my calendar
[15:43] <pasjr> do you think theses issues will be fixed then?
[15:44] <vish> pasjr: thats a different issue ;D
[15:44] <pasjr> i need a 2nd computer so I can work on one and play and test with the other
[15:44] <vish> pasjr: subscribe to the bug Sarvatt mentioned and you will be notified when it is fixed
[15:44] <Sarvatt> just uploading a new ati snapshot will be enough so things work for ubuntu but some of the newer kde packages cant build until mesa is fixed, the newer xserver can't build as well but things are working otherwise
[15:45] <pasjr> ok thanks, I need a smoke be back later
[15:45] <yofel> Sarvatt: do you know if there are any issues with the drm-intel update? (before I install the new package)
[15:46] <Sarvatt> intel is fine its just ati that had things broken with the libdrm-radeon1 changes
[15:46] <yofel> ok, thx
[15:49] <Sarvatt> fine in lucid i mean, i have major problems with the latest git and cant use edgers on intel at the moment :D
[15:50] <yofel> hehe, ok then, I don't use edgers
[15:57] <yofel> well, I'm gone for now, bbl
[16:12] <jimerickson> have an app giving the following error after last nights update "relocation error: /lib/libnss_files.so.2: symbol __rawmemchr, version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference".
[17:55] <popey> am I the only one with just a logon screen in lucid daily images?
[17:55] <popey> i click login and get a logon box, whatever i put in just bombs me back to the logon screen
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu alternate worked for me
[17:56] <charlie-tca> todays image, yesterday had issues
[17:57] <charlie-tca> popey: is that the live cd?
[17:57] <alkisg> popey: known bug, switch to the console and fix /etc/gdm/custom.conf for it to work properly
[18:01] <popey> ta
[18:01] <jimerickson> have an app giving the following error after last nights update on ubuntu 10.04 "relocation error: /lib/libnss_files.so.2: symbol __rawmemchr, version GLIBC_2.2.5 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference".
[18:02] <popey> alkisg: how do you switch to the console in kvm?
[18:02] <alkisg> popey: I've no idea about kvm. Usually it's alt+ctrl+f1, and on vbox that I use it's right alt+f1.
[18:03] <popey> ctrl+alt+F1 switches the host unfortunately, not the guest
[18:07] <popey> "first switch to the qemu-monitor with ctrl-alt-2, then type sendkey ctrl-alt-f1 then switch back to the qemu guest with ctrl-alt-1. "
[18:08] <alkisg> Tricky... I prefer the vbox way :D
[18:09] <alkisg> popey: sudo vi /etc/gdm/custom.conf, replace all \n with actual enters, and then run sudo service gdm restart
[18:09] <popey> I'd prefer the bug not to be there :)
[18:10] <popey> thanks, that worked
[18:22] <xcht-p3t3r> an error window appears very often when i open ubuntu software center
[18:23] <guntbert> xcht-p3t3r: what error?
[18:25] <xcht-p3t3r> ubuntu software center closed unexpectedly
[18:27] <xcht-p3t3r> what can i do?
[18:29] <guntbert> xcht-p3t3r: try to start it fom CLI: software-center
[18:30] <xcht-p3t3r> CLI?
[18:30] <guntbert> command line interface = terminal
[18:30] <xcht-p3t3r> sotrry :)
[18:31] <xcht-p3t3r> i'll try
[18:34] <xcht-p3t3r> typing software-center i don't see any error
[18:36] <hggdh> well, if it closed unexpectedly, you will have to keep on using it until it (again) closes unexpectedly
[18:36] <guntbert> xcht-p3t3r: you know - we are talking about alpha software - so I'd say call it from CLI for now
[18:36] <xcht-p3t3r> but when i type software-center & , that error appear again and again..
[18:37] <guntbert> xcht-p3t3r: sorry, then I cannot help
[18:37] <xcht-p3t3r> @ hggdh i didn't understand
[18:37] <hggdh> xcht-p3t3r: you type s-c & and you see what error?
[18:38] <xcht-p3t3r> the same
[18:39] <hggdh> what is the same?
[18:39] <hggdh> what did you do/was doing?
[18:39] <guntbert> xcht-p3t3r: sorry I *have* to ask: you are obviously not *very experienced* with linux - why are you using an alpha version?
[18:40] <xcht-p3t3r> ""sorry ubuntu software center closed unexpectedly""
[18:41] <xcht-p3t3r> to try it and to learn more
[18:42] <hggdh> and you do not get apport kicking in to report a new bug?
[18:42] <xcht-p3t3r> i can't explain very because i don't know english very well and it's very very difficult for me
[18:42] <xcht-p3t3r> kicking?
[18:42] <hggdh> xcht-p3t3r: just for the record, using an alpha version of anything to learn more is a guaranteed way to disasters
[18:43] <xcht-p3t3r> i've been using ubuntu since 6.06
[18:44] <hggdh> on Lucid, when an application crashes, an utility to report the crash is driven
[18:44] <xcht-p3t3r> i'm trying this alpha release on a VM
[18:44] <hggdh> ah good.
[18:45] <hggdh> and are you up-to-date on updates to Lucid? I cannot repeat your issue, but I see another one on exit
[18:45] <hggdh> also: so you start s-c. Then, what do you do?
[18:46] <xcht-p3t3r> i updated the system a second ago
[18:47] <hggdh> OK. After you start s-c, what do you do?
[18:50] <xcht-p3t3r> it's all the same if I do something or not
[18:50] <hggdh> no, it is not all the same
[18:50] <hggdh> obviously, for example, if does not crash when you are doing something
[18:51] <hggdh> so: does it crash when you exit?
[18:55] <CosmiChaos> Whats the difference in versions -49 -extra-49 and unstripped-49 of libavutils???
[18:56] <CosmiChaos> please
[18:56] <CosmiChaos> im confused by that plenty versions
[18:57] <CosmiChaos> is there any info out there related to these ?
[18:57] <penguin42> have you had a look in /usr/share/doct/libavutils ?
[18:58] <CosmiChaos> cosmichaos@cosmichaos-desktop:~$ sudo gedit /usr/share/doc/libavutil
[18:58] <CosmiChaos> libavutil50/        libavutil-extra-49/
[18:58] <xcht-p3t3r> i have to go.. thanks so much
[18:58] <CosmiChaos> i cant find information about the differences
[18:59] <CosmiChaos> theres just a changelog of what changed compared to same package earlier versions
[18:59] <CosmiChaos> but i want to know the differences between various packages
[18:59] <hggdh> CosmiChaos: you can run synaptic and search for libavutil, then read the description
[18:59] <penguin42> CosmiChaos: If you do apt-cache show on them it shows it
[19:00] <CosmiChaos> i already did that
[19:00] <CosmiChaos> there is NO description useful
[19:00] <hggdh> I beg to differ
[19:00] <penguin42> seems to explain it to ne
[19:00] <penguin42> me
[19:00] <hggdh> +1
[19:00] <CosmiChaos> say libavutils50:
[19:00] <CosmiChaos> avutil shared libraries
[19:00] <CosmiChaos> This package contains the ffmpeg video utility shared library.
[19:01] <hggdh> and -extra contains the unrestricted version of the ffmpeg library
[19:01] <CosmiChaos> ffmpeg utility library
[19:01] <CosmiChaos> This is the common utility library from the ffmpeg project. It is required
[19:01] <CosmiChaos> by all other ffmpeg libraries.
[19:01] <CosmiChaos> This package contains a unrestricted version of the libavutil shared
[19:01] <CosmiChaos> object that should only be used by Debian packages.
[19:01] <CosmiChaos> yes but WHAT is restricted in the non-extra?
[19:01] <CosmiChaos> wheres the information
[19:02] <hggdh> mpeg is encumbered with copyright/licence. The extra carries these pieces, the normal one does not
[19:02] <CosmiChaos> i dont understand that
[19:03] <CosmiChaos> anything that will not work with the restricted version???
[19:03] <hggdh> yes
[19:03] <CosmiChaos> what is that, please?
[19:04] <hggdh> now... I do not know (nor I care, in fact). You can google for it, or search for the Debian mailing lists on it
[19:04] <CosmiChaos> hmm
[19:06] <CosmiChaos> well i actually use the restricted version but i have no problem watching MPEG1 or MPEG2
[19:06] <CosmiChaos> both work (.dat/.mpg)
[19:06] <hggdh> you can also read /usr/share/doc/libavutil-extra-49/README.Debian.gz
[19:08] <CosmiChaos> errr how do i read that files
[19:08] <knittl> zcat
[19:09] <CosmiChaos> thx
[19:09] <hggdh> or less
[19:09] <hggdh> (should automagically ungzip)
[19:10] <hggdh> the same README is also in the standard (restricted) libavutil
[19:11] <CosmiChaos> ahhh these are just re-enabled encoders
[19:11] <CosmiChaos> but decoding would work on all versions same
[19:12] <CosmiChaos> Currently the following video encoders are disabled in the ffmpeg package: H263, H264, MPEG2 video, MPEG4 and MS-MPEG4. No *decoders* are disabled in any the ffmpeg package!
[19:12] <hggdh> so there
[19:13] <CosmiChaos> well avidemux allows me to encode into these still
[19:13] <CosmiChaos> for example it offers me MPEG-1 (avcodec)
[19:13] <CosmiChaos> hmm strange
[19:13] <hggdh> so avidemux uses another library
[19:14] <CosmiChaos> avcodec is not libavcodec-49? :)
[19:14] <CosmiChaos> ups -52
[19:16] <CosmiChaos> ... anyhow i better stay on packages that canonical provides security updates and not use the extra
[19:16] <CosmiChaos> i see no reason at all
[19:16] <CosmiChaos> so thanks for your cooperation and information
[19:17] <hggdh> CosmiChaos: welcome
[19:27] <WeatherGod> Hiya,  I was doing some testing on the daily iso build for UNR, and I cam across a couple of problems
[19:27] <WeatherGod> s/cam/came/
[19:28] <WeatherGod> booting up with the iso, I tried to "Test Disk for Defects", but it would fail with a message about pipe not found or something to that effect
[19:29] <WeatherGod> is that feature supposed to be working yet, or what?
[19:30] <WeatherGod> crimsun, are you around?
[20:00] <penguin42> I'd be surprised if it wasn't - it's been in there for ages
[20:01] <WeatherGod> I know
[20:01] <WeatherGod> its weird
[20:01] <charlie-tca> WeatherGod: yes, it should work
[20:01] <charlie-tca> It works on Ubuntu and Xubuntu images
[20:01] <WeatherGod> maybe it was how I set it up?  I used the USB Startup Disk Createrr
[20:01] <WeatherGod> Creater
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Might ask in #ubuntu-testing to see if they know about it
[20:02] <penguin42> hmm you were testing the image on a USB key?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Ah-ha. That might be the issue, then.
[20:02] <WeatherGod> yhea
[20:02] <penguin42> it's mostly designed for testing CDs - I wonder if it's been tested on a key?@
[20:03] <WeatherGod> heh... kinda weird to go this long without testing on a key
[20:03] <charlie-tca> I don't know, myself. There aren't enough testers for all of the different methods
[20:03] <WeatherGod> I could see if the problem occurs for the rc of Karmic
[20:04] <penguin42> WeatherGod: It's worth filing a bug, I bet it's still trying to test the CD
[20:04] <charlie-tca> I would think it is trying to test a cd, instead of the usb key.
[20:04] <WeatherGod> can't it identify the device that it is on?
[20:05] <WeatherGod> then again, I never really thought about how one could go about doing that
[20:06] <guntbert> I thought "testing the CD" is done by comparing md5 hashes of every file to some list - how would that be different on an usb key?
[20:06] <penguin42> guntbert: I'd assumed it was done by taking a sum of the iso image
[20:07] <WeatherGod> I agree with guntbert
[20:07] <penguin42> WeatherGod: Still, it's worth reporting as a bug
[20:07] <guntbert> penguin42: not winthin the file system
[20:07] <guntbert> *within
[20:07] <WeatherGod> it isn't possible for the iso image to know its own checksum
[20:07] <WeatherGod> that would require amazing hash-collision skill
[20:08] <penguin42> hmm that's a point
[20:08] <WeatherGod> ok, so I will try out the thing again and get an exact error message
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Are any files missing on the usb key?
[20:09] <WeatherGod> I will also try it for the karmic rc image that I have
[20:09] <penguin42> of course it's possible your image is damaged!
[20:09] <charlie-tca> I didn't think they used an exact image of the iso
[20:09] <WeatherGod> well, the checksums are right for the image
[20:09] <WeatherGod> and I tried this on two different usb keys
[20:10] <WeatherGod> charlie-tca, what do you mean?
[20:10] <WeatherGod> penguin42, that is always a possibility
[20:11] <charlie-tca> I didn't think it created the exact image when transferring to usb. Aren't there files used on the cd that are left off the usb key?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> It might be bug filing time on that one, though
[20:11] <WeatherGod> I think they used to do something like that for older versions
[20:11]  * charlie-tca never tried using a usb key to install
[20:11] <charlie-tca> my systems won't boot off usb
[20:12] <guntbert> charlie-tca: please in any case file that bug - checking *must* work or not be offered at all
[20:12] <WeatherGod> actually, that would be me to file that  one
[20:12] <charlie-tca> WeatherGod: ^^
[20:12] <guntbert> sorry I meant WeatherGod
[20:12]  * charlie-tca knows our names are so close to each other...
[20:12] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[20:12] <WeatherGod> :P
[20:13] <WeatherGod> ok, I will go ahead and do a little bit more testing and double-checking for this
[20:14] <WeatherGod> I'll be back later
[20:14] <guntbert> nah . its just that I'm obvioulsly unable to follow a conversation :-)
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Well, that should let you fit right in :-)
[20:19] <guntbert> ah - in what ? ;-)
[20:21] <charlie-tca> to the conversation
[20:21] <charlie-tca> of course
[20:22] <guntbert> charlie-tca: just kidding :)
[20:36] <henke> does anybody have an understanding of how locales are set up in ubuntu? since a recent update postgresql claims that my db wants locale sv_SE.UTF-8, but setlocale can't find it. the command 'locale -a' lists it as 'sv_SE.utf8' instead, though everywhere else I look 'sv_SE.UTF-8' is referenced.
[20:37] <knittl> henke: there's something broken since an update
[20:37] <knittl> i don't have umlauts in my terminals
[20:37] <hggdh> ah, was going to ask you about them ;-)
[20:38] <knittl> hggdh: i have umlauts in all other apps now
[20:38] <knittl> plus i have different locales in X and tty
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> henke: sudo locale-gen --purge should fix that
[20:38] <yofel> hm, can someone confirm that 2.6.32-10 resolves bug 492392?
[20:38] <knittl> in tty everything is correct, locales set to en_EN.UTF-8
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> (see bug 504198)
[20:38] <hggdh> knittl: so do I, except on terminals
[20:38] <knittl> but in X it's just C
[20:38] <yofel> I don't see any flickering for a while now
[20:38] <knittl> yes, here: ???ss
[20:38] <knittl> that's ue, oe, ae and a sharp s
[20:39] <charlie-tca> henke: it could be set in both /etc/default/locale and in /etc/environments
[20:39] <hggdh> d?o...
[20:39] <henke> JontheEchidna, I tried that earlier, it doesn't help.
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> hrm, was worth a shot I suppose
[20:39] <charlie-tca> but that is the extent of my knowledge on locale
[20:40] <henke> "DETAIL:  The database was initialized with LC_CTYPE "sv_SE.UTF-8",  which is not recognized by setlocale()."
[20:40] <henke> and 'locale -a' lists 'sv_SE.utf8', hmm.
[20:40] <knittl> hggdh: also my user defined gnome-shortcuts are broken
[20:40] <knittl> like super+n, super+t, super+f
[20:40] <alkisg> Right, it looks like they're renamed for some reason...
[20:41] <hggdh> heh
[20:41] <knittl> could be related. but the whole thing is definitely an issue with X, because my locales are set correctly in the ttys (even when running X in parallel)
[20:42] <knittl> and still no new nvidia-drivers :(
[20:43] <henke> knittl, it's not dependant on X for me
[20:43] <knittl> henke: so no umlauts in tty as well?
[20:44] <henke> knittl, I never had any problem with that, actually.
[20:44] <bjsnider> the nvidia drivers were updated last night
[20:44] <knittl> bjsnider: i see them still in the queue
[20:44] <knittl> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/190.53-0ubuntu1/+build/1437088
[20:45] <charlie-tca> nvidia -190 was added to lucid last night,
[20:45] <knittl> henke: me neither, but since 2 days i have
[20:46] <bjsnider> that build finished
[20:46] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/190.53-0ubuntu1
[20:46] <bjsnider> update and install nvidia-current
[20:46] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: how do I go about installing your experimental flash 64 bit?
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Two more changes done on them this morning
[20:47] <alex_mayorga> I added the ppa, but I seem to still get the 32 bit one
[20:47] <knittl> bjsnider: hu ... then why are they still showed as "waiting for approval"?
[20:48] <henke> making a symlink from sv_SE.utf8 to sv_SE.UTF-8 adds it to 'locale -a', but doesn't work for my postgresql
[20:49] <henke> erm, in /usr/lib/locale, that is
[20:49]  * alkisg installed the nvidia-current drivers from the queue, and they run fine :)
[20:51] <knittl> alkisg: how can i install from queue? just the standard apt-get install nvidia-common?
[20:51] <alkisg> knittl: no I click on the .deb links from firefox
[20:51] <bjsnider> just download the packages
[20:51] <alkisg> *clicked
[20:51] <bjsnider> double-click them and they'll run with gdebi
[20:52] <knittl> hm. how long do i have to wait for them to be on an official server?
[20:52] <knittl> because i can wait ^^
[20:52] <bjsnider> 9 years
[20:52] <knittl> ok :)
[20:52] <bjsnider> we're doing things the microsoft way now
[20:52] <alkisg> hehehe
[20:52] <knittl> delivering unstable systems?
[20:52] <knittl> using endusers as alphatesters?
[20:52] <bjsnider> it'll take 9 years and $4 billion to deliver a feature-bloatred piece of garbage
[20:53] <knittl> announcing ubuntu 9.04.1 as 10.04?
[20:53] <bjsnider> that everybody hates
[20:53] <alex_mayorga> I have an nvidia card here too, what are you guys testing?
[20:53] <yofel> alex_mayorga: new official nvidia driver
[20:54]  * penguin42 ati
[20:56] <WeatherGod> ok, I have a better idea what is happening with the "Check disc for defects"
[20:56] <WeatherGod> it is 'working', sort of...
[20:57] <WeatherGod> however an error message: "Opening pipe: No such file found" comes up and switches the screen to tty1
[20:58] <WeatherGod> everything is going on in the graphical screen and if I switch over using Ctrl-Alt-F8, I can see  a list of things that it is checking
[20:58] <WeatherGod> and it finishes with no errors
[20:58] <WeatherGod> this does not occur with the rc of Karmic that I have
[20:59] <penguin42> WeatherGod: It's a bug then, report it
[20:59] <WeatherGod> in Karmic, the error checking always stays on that graphical screen, and the logo reemains
[20:59] <WeatherGod> what should I file it against
[20:59] <charlie-tca> is it live cd or alternate?
[21:00] <WeatherGod> I got it from the link you gave me yesterday
[21:00] <WeatherGod> the daily build
[21:00] <WeatherGod> of ubuntu-netbook-remix
[21:02] <DanaG> shyoom
[21:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/343677
[21:02] <charlie-tca> ubiquity, I think
[21:02] <DanaG> pyuu
[21:02] <DanaG> heh, really irritating noises it makes on window minimize.
[21:03] <WeatherGod> charlie-tca: will do, thanks
[21:03] <charlie-tca> WeatherGod: tag it for lucid
[21:03] <DanaG> oh, and any time I press the number "2" on my new bluetooth numpad... my system vt-switches and then goes blank and hard-locks.
[21:04] <penguin42> impressive
[21:04] <charlie-tca> neat, DanaG
[21:04] <penguin42> DanaG: Anything in dmesg or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ?
[21:04] <DanaG> Nope, it can't sync the disk.  I'll have to get a serial-console log later when I have time.
[21:04] <yofel> DanaG: huh? I can (I use pulse in KDE though)
[21:04] <penguin42> that's a bit nasty
[21:05] <DanaG> pyuuu
[21:07] <DanaG> it/usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/
[21:07] <penguin42> DanaG: Is it only the '2' ?!
[21:07] <DanaG> Not sure... but that was the one that seemed to do it most.  I'll check other keys later.
[21:07] <penguin42> that would be pretty weird
[21:07] <DanaG> file:///usr/share/sounds/freedesktop/stereo/window-minimized.ogg
[21:07] <DanaG> funny sound.
[21:13] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: ping
[21:16] <aliendude5300> I get an error message saying it failed to detect my metapackage when attempting to upgrade. It also says ubuntu-desktop is marked for removal, what should I do?
[21:16] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[21:16] <knittl> aliendude5300: don't upgrade
[21:17] <aliendude5300> knittl, funny... I have some packages that I want upgraded to the latest version. There's got to be a way to fix this. :(
[21:18] <alex_mayorga> aliendude5300: try the comandline: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:18] <alex_mayorga> I got that same error moments ago
[21:18] <alex_mayorga> it said is temporary
[21:19] <aliendude5300> knittl, That doesn't really solve my problem. Imagine going to a doctor and saying that you feel a sharp pain everytime you lift your right arm and they tell you to stop lifting your right arm. How would you feel?
[21:19] <knittl> is your right arm in alpha 1 state?
[21:19] <WeatherGod> haha
[21:19] <aliendude5300> ... no. :/
[21:19] <alex_mayorga> knittl: great point
[21:20] <knittl> imagine going to a doctor because everytime you eat pineapple you have a swollen tongue and he tells you to not eat pineapples. i can think of many similarities
[21:20] <knittl> just wait for a few days, then you will be able to upgrade your packages
[21:20] <DanaG> hmm, tried the number '1', it does the same thing.
[21:20] <DanaG> vt-switch (or xorg crash), and then hard-lockup (heartbeat LED dead).
[21:21] <DanaG> That's one extremely useful thing on my laptop: a software controllable LED, that I've set as heartbeat.
[21:21] <knittl> DanaG: do your numlock/capslock leds blink?
[21:21] <penguin42> DanaG: You might consider seeing if it does it when you weren't in X - you might be able to see a useful oops
[21:22] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, what say you, young skywalker?
[21:23] <DanaG> Well, I am using fglrx and the Karmic X server, so my configuration is rather unsupported.
[21:23] <yofel> hey nice, nepomuk works now :D
[21:24] <DanaG> Big blocker for me is that with the open-source drivers, total system power consumption is TWO times what it is with the closed drivers.
[21:25] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: I added your flash experimental ppa
[21:26] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: but aptitude keeps installing 10.0.42.34ubuntu1
[21:26] <penguin42> DanaG: Is that still the case on the latest Radeon drivers - the new drivers are pretty good as far as the 3D etc - don't know if they fixed power
[21:26] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: not your 10.0.42.34ubuntu2~ppa
[21:26] <DanaG> Still true even with those experimental power-savings patches that are currently under development.
[21:26] <penguin42> nod
[21:27] <DanaG> It only slows down a very small amount, and only the GPU, not the memory.  And it has visual glitches on speed changes.
[21:27] <aliendude5300> alex_mayorga, Thanks! The safe upgrade didn't completely upgrade my system, but it upgraded everything I cared about. :)
[21:27] <alex_mayorga> aliendude5300: glad it helped
[21:28] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, what command are you using to upgrade?
[21:28] <alex_mayorga> I aptitude remove the current
[21:29] <bjsnider> then you update your sources
[21:29] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: and then aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:30] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: Iǘe put yout ppa in sources, prior to removing, does it make a difference?
[21:31] <bjsnider> you have to run apt-get update so it knows about the new version
[21:31] <Ian_Corne> is it safe to update atm?
[21:31] <bjsnider> probably not
[21:31] <bjsnider> for a couple days
[21:31] <Ian_Corne> is it ever? :p
[21:32] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: tried that, apt-cache still only shows the one on multiverse
[21:32] <bjsnider> alpha 2 will be safe
[21:32] <Ian_Corne> i'm already on lucid btw, just been not updating atm
[21:32] <Ian_Corne> and when i login I can't really do anything, everything is pretty broken :p
[21:36] <alex_mayorga> does anyone still have problems on switching sessions
[21:37] <alex_mayorga> yesterday I got a blank screen while switching
[21:37] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, can you look ins ynaptic, select the package click properties and versions to see if the ppa version is listed in there?
[21:37] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: let me do that
[21:38] <WeatherGod> ok, I filed that disc checking bug
[21:38] <WeatherGod> bug 505281
[21:38] <guntbert> WeatherGod: thx
[21:38] <WeatherGod> np, glad to do my part
[21:39] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: for flashplugin-nonfree there's only "10.0.42.34ubuntu1 (lucid)"
[21:40] <WeatherGod> now, I just need to talk to crimsun about sound issues
[21:40] <aliendude5300> It seems you're talking about upgrading flash player. I just upgraded mine a while ago... the one in the repositories sucks. Do this: go to http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html and download flash player. Extract the archive and put libflashplayer.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins.
[21:41] <aliendude5300> (That's for the 64 bit version. If you want the 32-bit hold on I'll give you a link...
[21:41] <alex_mayorga> anyone know if this is filled on System>Preferences> Keyboard, when you try to pick a layout if you type to go to a country nothing happens
[21:41] <aliendude5300> 32-bit: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[21:42] <alex_mayorga> aliendude5300: I'm helping bjsnider try a package he did for 64 bit flash
[21:42] <aliendude5300> Note that these are pre-release flash builds but they work MUCH better than the current stable builds. :)
[21:42] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, i don't think you've got the ppa enabled
[21:43] <alex_mayorga> or at least I want to think I'm help, I'm probably doing something wrong
[21:43] <aliendude5300> alex_mayorga, why make a package for that? Isn't copying the file easier? Or better yet wget libflashplayer.so && mc libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins
[21:43] <acicula> aliendude5300: well it works, but not very update friendly
[21:43] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: it has a big fat check on the Software sources GUI
[21:43] <bjsnider> aliendude5300, the version i've dummied up links the plugin to any possible browser system-wide
[21:44] <aliendude5300> acicula, I thought the actually flash player itself would notify you of an update within the browser.
[21:44] <acicula> aliendude5300: dont think so
[21:44] <aliendude5300> bjsnider, Ah... that makes sense. Having it installed system wide is a good idea. Adobe should've thought of that. :D
[21:44] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: is there a command to check? Also when I do aptitude update, I see ppa fly by
[21:44] <WeatherGod> alex_mayorga: I  just tried, and I don't see anything wrong with selecting a country
[21:44] <alex_mayorga> WeatherGod: can you type the first letter of a country name and the list scrolls there?
[21:45] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, check the deb line in software sources
[21:45] <aliendude5300> acicula, this is for windows, but I think it may be the same or similar on Linux: http://justin.everett-church.com/wp-images/notifierFlash8.jpg
[21:45] <WeatherGod> ah, I see
[21:45] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider http://ppa.launchpad.net/brandonsnider/experimental-flash/ubuntu lucid main
[21:46] <bjsnider> and it should start with deb
[21:46] <WeatherGod> aliendude5300, I think it is only for Windows and Mac
[21:47] <aliendude5300> WeatherGod, I thought they did the notification that says a new version is available when you open a flash applet made with a newer version of flash. perhaps I am mistaken?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:47] <WeatherGod> they did, but only for Windows and Mac, I have never seen that message for Linux
[21:47] <bjsnider> not for another hour or so
[21:49] <alex_mayorga> WeatherGod: got what I find buggy on the keyboard layout window?
[21:49] <WeatherGod> yeah
[21:49] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: I was telling you what I see under URI and such in the gui
[21:50] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, let's just start over. blow away that line in synaptic, and add the ppa like this: ppa:brandonsnider/experimental-flash
[21:51] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: just to be sure I've removed and added on software sources again
[21:51] <guntbert> WeatherGod: regarding #505281: I just tested it under virtual box with a karmic desktop iso: on the main page I get 3 errors (2 udev, then opening pipe:no such..) but on the "previous" terminal (<alt><left>) there is the complete output including "press any key to reboot"
[21:51] <WeatherGod> guntbert, heh, go figure
[21:52] <guntbert> WeatherGod: if you could test that too - then the issue were quite different
[21:52] <WeatherGod> but, still the point remains, the error message changes the screen
[21:52] <WeatherGod> I did... and it didn't happen in Karmic for me
[21:52] <WeatherGod> only for Lucid
[21:52] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, now I see it
[21:53] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: but is another name
[21:53] <bjsnider> i think y ou were missing the 'deb' int he deb line...
[21:53] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: it was there all along, but the name was/is flashplugin-64bit-installer
[21:54] <guntbert> WeatherGod: ok didn't doubt you - only I remembered something, had a look and thought I'd tell you :)
[21:54] <BUGabundo> any here's any app similar to subdownloader but that downloads movie covers instead of subs?
[21:54] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: that's what I've been missing it I was looking for flashplugin-installer
[21:54] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, yeah that was necessary because i had to build 2 different packages
[21:55] <bjsnider> i'll add a replaces: flashplugin-installer
[21:55] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: I thought you created another flashplugin-installer that will "intelligently" get 32 or 64
[21:55] <WeatherGod> guntbert: well, your test does prove that the problem existed before
[21:55] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, kind of
[21:55] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider, so I aptitude install flashplugin-64bit-installer and that's it?
[21:56] <bjsnider> yeah
[21:56] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: is the new MESA uploaded yet?
[21:56] <bjsnider> it was being uploaded earlier, so probably
[21:56] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: the weird thing is that launchpad shows flashplugin-nonfree in your PPA
[21:56] <WeatherGod> bjsnider, why are we including the architecture info in the package name?
[21:56] <guntbert> WeatherGod: exactly - but I'm not certain if it is really the same problem  - or did I misread and it looks the same in your case?
[21:56] <bjsnider> but i dunno
[21:57] <WeatherGod> guntbert: I didn't get any udev errors, only the pipe error
[21:57] <alex_mayorga> WeatherGod: do you think you can file the layuot thing?
[21:57] <bjsnider> WeatherGod, because there are two different plugins with different download locations
[21:57] <WeatherGod> ah
[21:58] <guntbert> WeatherGod: and on the neihbor VT there is the complete output?
[21:58] <WeatherGod> alex_mayorga, sure, I'll fire one off there
[21:58] <WeatherGod> guntbert, yes
[21:58] <WeatherGod> but not of error messages, only about the defect checking
[21:59] <alex_mayorga> WeatherGod: thanks I don't think I know the right GUI terms to express it, but it has been there for years I believe
[21:59] <WeatherGod> ah
[22:00] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, the source package is still called flashplugin-nonfree, but you can name binary packages anything you want. i could upload a source called "white" and build binaries called "black" if i wanted to
[22:00] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: are you going to hack something else or that's it?
[22:00] <WeatherGod> I just have to figure out which package to file that one against
[22:01] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, did you have something in mind?
[22:01] <bjsnider> i'm helping out the libbluray project at the moment
[22:02] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: thinking it should be just want package with the logic inside, maybe
[22:03] <bjsnider> huh? didn't copy that
[22:03] <alex_mayorga> Like this maybe "WeatherGod: bjsnider, why are we including the architecture info in the package name?"
[22:04] <bjsnider> well, i might be able to do that. but i wanted to know if this version actually does what it's supposed to do first
[22:05] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: let me install that one
[22:05] <crimsun> does it download from labs.adobe.com?
[22:05] <crimsun> be careful; you need to verify that with Adobe first
[22:06] <guntbert> WeatherGod: my left VT diplays like http://imagebin.org/79094, whereas the main VT looks like http://imagebin.org/79095
[22:06] <alex_mayorga> crimsun: doesnt the current package download from adobe as of now?
[22:07] <crimsun> alex_mayorga: no, it downloads from archive.canonical.com
[22:07] <WeatherGod> guntbert: get rid of those two udev errors, and that's what my Lucid test showed
[22:08] <BUGabundo> btw
[22:08] <BUGabundo> who the heck decided to put nautilus tabs in the bottom??????
[22:08] <guntbert> WeatherGod: excellent - that means the real bug (and an old one) is that in the case of any error the rest of the test is displayed on the wrong VT
[22:08] <BUGabundo> I really should go and file a NO THANKS bug in gnome
[22:09] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: got "error exit status 10" want me to pastebin?
[22:10] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, yep
[22:10] <bjsnider> that's good. i ws hoping for an error
[22:11] <bjsnider> it the motu channel they told me that as long as it downloads the plugin from adobe and does not pre-package it, it was ok
[22:11] <WeatherGod> guntbert: good to know
[22:12] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/med68d71
[22:12] <guntbert> WeatherGod: if its ok with you I add my screenshots and description to your bug
[22:13] <WeatherGod> ok, sure thing
[22:14] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, nautilus tabs at the bottom? can i see a screenshot of that?
[22:14] <aliendude5300> Does anyone know if Koobface can affect an Ubuntu machine? Does it work with Cross-site scripting or do you have to download something? I just clicked a link that almost certainly contains malicious code (the link is "http://bit.ly/6Rhy2J" -- don't go there unless you know what you are doing) -- could this cause any problems, or would I need to be on a windows machine and download something? I tried looking at the s
[22:14] <aliendude5300> ource code using wget and gedit, but the JavaScript is obfuscated and I can't tell what it does...
[22:14] <acicula> aliendude5300: it uses crosssitescripting, but its win32 only afaik
[22:14] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, uninstall flashplugin-installer and nspluginwrapper and try again
[22:15] <bjsnider> or run -f install whichever comes first
[22:18] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: it errors out even where those two are not there
[22:18] <bjsnider> try apt-get -f install
[22:20] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: same exit 10
[22:21] <guntbert> WeatherGod: done
[22:21] <WeatherGod> thnx
[22:23] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m5f1d2cb5
[22:23] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:24] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/Screenshot-bugabundo%20-%20File%20Browser.png
[22:25] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: removing the package first, right? If I try it when present I get the exit 10 again
[22:25] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, that's hilarious
[22:25] <BUGabundo> tell me about it
[22:25] <bjsnider> makes zero gui sense
[22:25] <BUGabundo> you don't have it?
[22:25] <bjsnider> i'm not using lucid
[22:26] <bjsnider> it's unstable, you know
[22:26] <BUGabundo> duh
[22:26] <BUGabundo> duhx2
[22:26] <bjsnider> nobody would ever look for tabs down there
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I know
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I opened like 10 wind
[22:27] <BUGabundo> before realizing what was going on
[22:27] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: where's the "enhancement" bug?
[22:27] <BUGabundo> not tonigh
[22:27] <BUGabundo> I'm too tired
[22:27] <guntbert> BUGabundo: +1
[22:27] <BUGabundo> finishing to set up my media room
[22:28] <BUGabundo> http://p.bugabundo.net/i-lost-my-head-and-bough-my-new-fab-gadgetpio-0
[22:28] <BUGabundo> and preping my dad new laptop... got get Karmic too
[22:28] <BUGabundo> hope ati doesn't fail on me
[22:29] <acicula> uknowitwill
[22:29] <acicula> does hw decoding work with ati these days?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> eheh adobe is updating their page footers to include 2010 trade marks http://page2rss.com/p/80b83e05a0a18c77aca72bb6aa0b8d69_4719366_4750890
[22:30] <acicula> would be nicer if they spend their coding time on patching their outstanding vulns :/
[22:31] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: no luck either after dpkg --configure -a either
[22:32] <WeatherGod> speaking of GUI issues, has anyone tried out the Software Center?
[22:33] <bjsnider> alezcould bea  dependency issue possibly a name change or something. installs fine on karmic. i'll investigate thanks
[22:33] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: thanks to you and sorry to bother :)
[22:33] <WeatherGod> alex_mayorga: I filed that keyboard bug  as bug 505289
[22:34] <duffydack> Any new plans to support my writer in lucid?
[22:34] <duffydack> I`m tired of booting into win7..
[22:36] <WeatherGod> duffydack, what writer?
[22:36] <duffydack> let me get that...
[22:36] <alex_mayorga> WeatherGod: thanks I'll chip-in with details if needed
[22:37] <WeatherGod> alex_mayorga: ok
[22:37] <duffydack> HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GA11N  latest firmware, as dictated to me by Dell.
[22:37] <duffydack> works fine all day long in windows 7 anyway.
[22:37] <WeatherGod> oh, you mean CD/DVD writer
[22:37] <duffydack> http://swiss.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8161339  similar thread.. Ive posted this a few times..
[22:38] <duffydack> yeah, sorry
[22:38] <WeatherGod> heh... I was wondering why Linux needed another gedit/vim/emacs
[22:39] <WeatherGod> well, hardware isn't my department... anyone else want this one?
[22:42] <duffydack> I`m afraid using win7 too much it will assimilate me.
[22:43] <duffydack> Its a real shame because, everything else works like a champ out the box..
[22:44] <aliendude5300> duffydack, what works and what doesn't on your writer?
[22:49] <aliendude5300> duffydack, it seems it is an issue with the actual CD burner. It must be something with the firmware. If I were in the same situation, I would simply buy a new burner that I know works with Linux. They _really_ don't cost that much any more.
[22:49] <charlie-tca> duffydack: have you talked to Dell about that ?
[22:50] <DanaG> BUGabundo: might run into this issue with ATI mobile: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[22:50] <BUGabundo> BAH
[22:50] <aliendude5300> Is the drive SATA or IDE? If it's SATA, you can usually find them for around $25 - $40. If it's IDE, you might want to upgrade to SATA if your PC supports it, as SATA is better anyways.
[22:51] <DanaG> the fix for that fglrx issue was: sudo aticonfig --acpi-services=off
[22:53] <aliendude5300> Here is a fairly decent burner that should work with Linux just fine: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10010552 (It's actually made by the same company as the drive I have right now -- a Samsung SH-S183L).
[23:06] <greenlynx> DanaG, what is the fglrx issue?  i just got here .. couldn't shut down last night after update .. monitor didn't seem to shut off
[23:06] <DanaG>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[23:07] <DanaG> That's not a shutdown issue, though.
[23:13] <greenlynx> doesn't seem to be my issue
[23:13] <duffydack> aliendude5300, it works in windows.  its only writing.
[23:14] <duffydack> aliendude5300, buying a new burner should never ever be an option..  plus its a laptop, a new one
[23:15] <duffydack> aliendude5300, it will not write with any software in linux.. It works fine in win7 and imgburn.. yes I have tried imgburn...
[23:15] <aliendude5300> duffydack, I had an old Lite-On that wouldn't play/burn DVDs on Linux (I still have it lying around somewhere), but I replaced it with my current one, and it works fine.
[23:15] <duffydack> aliendude5300, I think its sata..  sorry I`m catching up on your messages...
[23:16] <aliendude5300> duffydack, let me see the output of lshw so I can check info on your drive. Use pastebay or something for the output, it will be long.
[23:16] <duffydack> aliendude5300, replacing isnt an option, and I dont see why it should be..  It never was before my new laptop..I had an inspiron 9100 and sony/liteon 8x dvd writer that worked..
[23:17] <duffydack> ok
[23:17] <duffydack> I`m not the only one.. there is a thread on ubuntuforums.
[23:17] <aliendude5300> duffydack, my guess is that it's a poorly made drive that requires some proprietary drivers to burn or it fails to follow some burning standard. I've never even heard of your drive manufacturer, nor could I locate their website.
[23:19] <duffydack> nice.. so, its boot to windows or buy a "free" writer
[23:20] <duffydack> ok nevermind.
[23:20] <aliendude5300> did you get that output of lshw? It may still be possible to get it to work.
[23:21] <aliendude5300> I was only guessing that it fails to follow a standard, as most if not all burners work flawlessly out of the box on Linux.
[23:22] <aliendude5300> to get the output of lshw type something like sudo lshw > lshw.txt and paste the lshw.txt file to pastebay
[23:23] <duffydack> http://pastebin.com/f452ff543
[23:24] <duffydack> I think its LG
[23:26] <aliendude5300> It's HitachiLG Data Storage. Their site is here: http://www.hlds.co.jp/index_tmp.html -- it's a japanese company.
[23:28] <duffydack> is that bad
[23:28] <duffydack> I dont mind bootin into win7 to burn, I dont burn that often...
[23:29] <WeatherGod> does Hitachi own LG or something?
[23:29] <WeatherGod> or is it some sort of knock-off?
[23:30] <aliendude5300> The latest firmware is here: http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/format.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&deviceid=22129&libid=32&releaseid=R227053&vercnt=1&formatcnt=0&SystemID=STUDIO1747&servicetag=&os=W732&osl=en&catid=-1&dateid=-1&typeid=-1&formatid=-1&impid=-1
[23:30] <aliendude5300> Is that the one you have?
[23:33] <aliendude5300> Your drive is detected as being removable media, supporting cd-r and cd-rw, dvd-roms, dvd-rs and dvd-rams, but not dvd-rws. If you are trying to burn a DVD-RW that might be the problem.
[23:34] <aliendude5300> Also, if that's not the problem, when your burn fails, does dmesg show any error messages related to your CD drive? That could indicate what the problem is.
[23:37] <duffydack> I have the latest.
[23:37] <duffydack> in fact, its newer than dells
[23:37] <duffydack> lol
[23:37] <duffydack> mine is A102
[23:37] <duffydack> and its a Dell machine
[23:37] <aliendude5300> what happens when you try to burn a CD?
[23:37] <duffydack> go figure.
[23:38] <duffydack> I get errors as soon as it start to burn, as in forum posts.
[23:38] <duffydack> I can burn something and give you output if you like.
[23:38] <aliendude5300> does it ruin the physical CD or burn anything?
[23:38] <duffydack> I have binned that many discs....
[23:38] <aliendude5300> sure.
[23:39] <duffydack> well, it doesnt burn anything, but it does render then not writable.
[23:39] <duffydack> Shall I use the cdrecord method?
[23:39] <aliendude5300> try simulation first. maybe we can get information without ruining a cd.
[23:39] <aliendude5300> tell me if that fails.
[23:43] <duffydack> I dont believe this....
[23:44] <aliendude5300> ?
[23:44] <WeatherGod> suspense!
[23:45] <duffydack> http://pastebin.com/m54958de9
[23:45] <duffydack> its writing?  I dont understand it.
[23:45] <duffydack> it NEVER has.
[23:45] <aliendude5300> to simulate writing a disk without ANY chance of it getting ruined use the command line tool called wodim with the -dummy option. For example: wodim -dummy -dev=/dev/sr0 ubuntu.iso
[23:46] <duffydack> im not simulating it...
[23:46] <aliendude5300> oh... that's even better if it works.
[23:46] <duffydack> it never worked before
[23:46] <duffydack> same commands
[23:47] <aliendude5300> tell me if the disk works when it's done burning.
[23:47] <duffydack> brasero, k3b, cdrecord, wodim, and even imgburn in wine..
[23:48] <duffydack> maybe the newer kernel ?
[23:48] <duffydack> thats all that changed anyway
[23:48] <WeatherGod> heh, I doubt it
[23:48] <WeatherGod> are these identical disks?
[23:48] <aliendude5300> not sure... wait until it's done burning to make sure... I almost never had any trouble with burning except some that seem to burn right but have an error or 2 in the data.
[23:49] <duffydack> im just burning an iso to the same +r discs Ive tried since I got the laptop.
[23:49] <duffydack> trying the same command
[23:50] <duffydack> in shell, to get the errors.. to send.
[23:50] <WeatherGod> wait-a-minute... +r?
[23:50] <duffydack> then, it doesnt error./4
[23:50] <aliendude5300> dvd+r?
[23:50] <duffydack> yes.. why
[23:50] <WeatherGod> right, I thought your drive supports -r
[23:50] <duffydack> it supports all
[23:50] <duffydack> but all I have is +r discs.
[23:50] <duffydack> at the moment.
[23:51] <duffydack> I`m down to the last 2
[23:51] <WeatherGod> hmmm, does k3b say that your drive supports +r?
[23:51] <aliendude5300> I have a ton of DVD+Rs, I know it's not the new kernel. I've been able to burn the fine for years...
[23:51] <duffydack> I`m no newb to burning... my drive according to everthing supports it
[23:51] <aliendude5300> It's a DVD+-RW drive. It should support +R.
[23:52] <penguin42> confucious he says to test DVD writer problems with erasable discs
[23:52] <duffydack> it just wont burn anything.. its nothing to do with +
[23:52] <duffydack> yet it seems, it is now
[23:52] <WeatherGod> ok, just checking
[23:52] <duffydack> the same discs Ive tried since December when I got the laptop.
[23:52] <aliendude5300> I have a drive that burns DVD+Rs perfectly, and it's capabilities are listed like this: "removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram"
[23:53] <aliendude5300> duffydack, wow you weren't kidding when you said it was new...
[23:53] <duffydack> I had a pack of 100 I burned and some I binned, but some didnt burn anything at all..I dont know whats changed.. really I dont
[23:54] <aliendude5300> Is it the speed you are burning at?
[23:54] <duffydack> 4x
[23:54] <aliendude5300> Theres no way almost 100 were bad...
[23:54] <duffydack> nearly done
[23:54] <duffydack> i`ll let you know.
[23:54] <duffydack> same command, same discs.. its not working...
[23:54] <duffydack> now*
[23:54] <duffydack> not, not..
[23:55] <duffydack> why
[23:55] <WeatherGod> that is weird
[23:55] <duffydack> I`ll even try brasero, since its been so crap with my writers..
[23:55] <WeatherGod> maybe it had to do with other stuff running?
[23:56] <penguin42> duffydack: Have you tried booting off an older Linux thumb image and burning something ?
[23:56] <duffydack> WeatherGod, on an i7 quad core 4gig ram?
[23:56] <aliendude5300> duffydack, did it work?
[23:56] <WeatherGod> well, maybe another program interfered?
[23:56] <duffydack> finalizing now
[23:57] <WeatherGod> dunno... just shooting in the dark
[23:57] <duffydack> WeatherGod, no...
[23:57] <duffydack> WeatherGod, I never had anything running
[23:57] <WeatherGod> heh.... schrodinger's cat for bugs strikes again
[23:58] <duffydack> its burned.. lets see
[23:58] <penguin42> duffydack: If it happens again I'd do a dmesg to see if there are any SCSI/sata errors in the log
[23:58] <duffydack> penguin42, its never ever ever burned successfully
[23:58] <duffydack> it has now
[23:58] <duffydack> f~*k me
[23:58] <duffydack> why now?
[23:58] <aliendude5300> penguin42, that's what I suggested...
[23:58] <WeatherGod> so, the fix appears to be to be on this IRC channel whenever you burn discs
[23:58] <duffydack> the same cdrecord command?
[23:58] <penguin42> duffydack: It's our supportive influence
[23:58] <duffydack> same discs?
[23:59] <duffydack> so, I have to be connected to IRC when I burn?  cool
[23:59] <penguin42> only way to be sure
[23:59] <duffydack> lol
[23:59] <WeatherGod> didn't you know there was a telepathic I/O kernel module?
[23:59] <duffydack> well, there have been a few updates + kernel since..
[23:59] <duffydack> thats all I can say
[23:59]  * penguin42 thinks hard at duffydacks sata interface